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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Mr. Young"
Date:	06 Sep 2006 11:41:37 PM
Object:	Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets

That this 'man of the cloth' be harrassed by local police officials is
abhorant and probably illegal. Are religious beliefs no longer publicly
respected? Is free speech no longer tolerated? The entire British law
enforcement system has received the proverbial 'blackeye'. For Shame.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365857-details/Christian+faces+court+over+%27offensive%27+gay+festival+leaflets/article.do
A police force was caught up in a freedom of speech row after its officers
arrested an anti-gay campaigner for handing out leaflets at a homosexual
rally.
South Wales police admitted evangelical Christian Stephen Green was then
charged purely because his pamphlets contained anti-gay quotations from the
Bible.
Mr Green faces a court appearance today charged with using 'threatening,
abusive or insulting words or behaviour' after his attempt to distribute the
leaflets at the weekend 'Mardi Gras' event in Cardiff.
A spokesman for the police said the campaigner had not behaved in a violent
or aggressive manner, but that officers arrested him because 'the leaflet
contained Biblical quotes about homosexuality'.
The arrest of Mr Green by the South Wales Minorities Support Unit provoked a
furious row.
Church of England evangelicals said it represented 'an onslaught on freedom
of speech and freedom of religious expression' and Tory MPs called it
'disturbing'.
The decision to prosecute Mr Green is the latest in a series of police
initiatives aimed against those who have expressed public disapproval of
homosexual behaviour.
In recent months incidents have included a Metropolitan Police warning to
author Lynette Burrows that she was responsible for a 'homophobic incident'
after she suggesting on a BBC Radio Five Live programme that gays did not
make ideal adoptive parents.
Another warning about future behaviour was delivered by Lancashire police
who visited the home of a Christian couple after they complained about their
local council's gay rights policies.
The Met Police in London also investigated former Muslim Council of Britain
leader Sir Iqbal Sacranie after he gave an interview saying homosexuality
was harmful. However, no prosecution followed in that case.
The action against Mr Green came after he and a fellow member of his
evangelical group, Christian Voice, tried to distribute leaflets at the gay
Mardi Gras event in Cardiff.
Several thousand people attended the event, which included a gay rugby
tournament and a 'top gayer motor show', and which was addressed on the
importance of tolerance by Liberal Democrat council chief Rodney Berman.
The anti-gay campaigners were first asked by police to leave the site of the
show following 'complaints from the public', and complied with the request.
However, they were approached again by police when they began handing out
leaflets at the entrance to the park where the Mardi Gras was staged.
Mr Green refused to stop distributing leaflets and was arrested, and then
questioned for four hours at a police station. He was charged after refusing
a caution.
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Mr. J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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User: "V"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 08:21:19 PM

"Mr. Young" wrote:

That this 'man of the cloth' be harrassed by local police officials is
abhorant and probably illegal. Are religious beliefs no longer publicly
respected? Is free speech no longer tolerated? The entire British law
enforcement system has received the proverbial 'blackeye'. For Shame.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365857-details/Christian+faces+court+over+%27offensive%27+gay+festival+leaflets/article.do

A police force was caught up in a freedom of speech row after its officers
arrested an anti-gay campaigner for handing out leaflets at a homosexual
rally.

South Wales police admitted evangelical Christian Stephen Green was then
charged purely because his pamphlets contained anti-gay quotations from the
Bible.

Mr Green faces a court appearance today charged with using 'threatening,
abusive or insulting words or behaviour' after his attempt to distribute the
leaflets at the weekend 'Mardi Gras' event in Cardiff.

A spokesman for the police said the campaigner had not behaved in a violent
or aggressive manner, but that officers arrested him because 'the leaflet
contained Biblical quotes about homosexuality'.

The arrest of Mr Green by the South Wales Minorities Support Unit provoked a
furious row.
Church of England evangelicals said it represented 'an onslaught on freedom
of speech and freedom of religious expression' and Tory MPs called it
'disturbing'.

The decision to prosecute Mr Green is the latest in a series of police
initiatives aimed against those who have expressed public disapproval of
homosexual behaviour.

In recent months incidents have included a Metropolitan Police warning to
author Lynette Burrows that she was responsible for a 'homophobic incident'
after she suggesting on a BBC Radio Five Live programme that gays did not
make ideal adoptive parents.

Another warning about future behaviour was delivered by Lancashire police
who visited the home of a Christian couple after they complained about their
local council's gay rights policies.

The Met Police in London also investigated former Muslim Council of Britain
leader Sir Iqbal Sacranie after he gave an interview saying homosexuality
was harmful. However, no prosecution followed in that case.

The action against Mr Green came after he and a fellow member of his
evangelical group, Christian Voice, tried to distribute leaflets at the gay
Mardi Gras event in Cardiff.

Several thousand people attended the event, which included a gay rugby
tournament and a 'top gayer motor show', and which was addressed on the
importance of tolerance by Liberal Democrat council chief Rodney Berman.

The anti-gay campaigners were first asked by police to leave the site of the
show following 'complaints from the public', and complied with the request.
However, they were approached again by police when they began handing out
leaflets at the entrance to the park where the Mardi Gras was staged.

Mr Green refused to stop distributing leaflets and was arrested, and then
questioned for four hours at a police station. He was charged after refusing
a caution.

Jon;
You Christians would complain to high heaven if Lesbian families passed out leaflets accusing Christians of hatred and bigotry at a
Christian event.

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Mr. J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com

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User: "V"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 08:50:49 PM

"Mr. Young" wrote:

The History of Mr Stephen Green and some opinions on him:
Paul Monaghan, ‘Head of Sustainable Development’ at the Co-operative Bank, said to Stephen Green “You must have slipped through the net.
Your website is full of blatant homophobia.”
"The objective of Green and his sycophantic scum is not to bring about God's kingdom on Earth, but rather to try and place themselves in
the positions of power currently enjoyed by the religious fruitcakes on the other side of the Atlantic. It's not about spiritual health,
but rather a campaign for secular control, wrapped up in the trappings of Christianity. The danger is that many people may be suckered by
this ploy. They look around and see crime on the increase, wars, natural disasters, and think "maybe these people are on to something".
Christian Voice, like any minority group which attempts to dictate to the majority, must be fought and stopped. The challenge is do so
without stooping to their level, lest we become tarred with the same brush."
"Having spent a little time browsing the CV website, there are a few things which caught my attention. The first is a delightful section on
'Britain in Sin', which - amongst other things, appears to claim that rape is acceptable, providing that it is carried out within a
marriage: "It also introduced an offence of "marital rape," drafted by the Law Commission, unknown in the Law of God, and in conflict with
the marriage service of the Book of Common Prayer, where the promises given by a man and woman to each other establish a binding consent to
sexual intercourse." Nice.
On his organization, Christian Voice, UK
The Reverend Rod Thomas, a Plymouth vicar and spokesman for the influential Reform organisation that represents 500 Church of England
clergy, said: 'The methods of Christian Voice do not always commend
themselves to other Christians.
Stephen Green's Opinions:
Whether with the ‘obligatory safe sex message’ or not , homosexual activity is morally wrong, perverted in the sense that it goes against
the created order and abnormal (Sorry, ‘youthfax’ but there it is). Its practitioners are extraordinarily prone to disease
Dr Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. A few years back, she said,
rightly, that homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstances.
The Bilderberg Group is a secretive annual gathering of rich bankers, industrialists, media moguls and politicians. Someone once said if
it isn’t a conspiracy, it does a good job of looking like one. British politicians like Dennis Healey, Peter Carrington and Kenneth Clarke
are Bilderberg insiders. The Trilateral Commission has an uncanny similarity to Orwell’s three-power vision of the world, with
representatives from Europe, America and Asia. The Council on Foreign Relations is reckoned to run the USA, and the Royal Institute of
International Affairs was set up with Cecil Rhodes’ money to try to keep the Establishment singing from the one-world gleesheet in the UK.
Think-tanks like Aspen and Ditchley oil the wheels, and at the public relations end are bodies like the All-Party Parliamentary Group for
World Government and its off-shoot, the One World Trust. At the root of all this evil is the love of money; big bankers like David
Rockefeller and the rest of our present-day ‘kings of the earth’ want to make as much cash as they can at the expense of ordinary working
people. The God of the Bible is, to put it mildly, not on the side of those who oppress the poor and multiply possessions to themselves:
The Lord is terrible to the kings of the earth! Jesus Christ has the victory but as Satan continues his deceptions, millions will be
enslaved and oppressed by the globalisers. Our Christian duty is to stand against them, by the grace of God

A spokesman for the police said the campaigner had not behaved in a violent
or aggressive manner, but that officers arrested him because 'the leaflet
contained Biblical quotes about homosexuality'.

The arrest of Mr Green by the South Wales Minorities Support Unit provoked a
furious row.
Church of England evangelicals said it represented 'an onslaught on freedom
of speech and freedom of religious expression' and Tory MPs called it
'disturbing'.

The decision to prosecute Mr Green is the latest in a series of police
initiatives aimed against those who have expressed public disapproval of
homosexual behaviour.

In recent months incidents have included a Metropolitan Police warning to
author Lynette Burrows that she was responsible for a 'homophobic incident'
after she suggesting on a BBC Radio Five Live programme that gays did not
make ideal adoptive parents.

Another warning about future behaviour was delivered by Lancashire police
who visited the home of a Christian couple after they complained about their
local council's gay rights policies.

The Met Police in London also investigated former Muslim Council of Britain
leader Sir Iqbal Sacranie after he gave an interview saying homosexuality
was harmful. However, no prosecution followed in that case.

The action against Mr Green came after he and a fellow member of his
evangelical group, Christian Voice, tried to distribute leaflets at the gay
Mardi Gras event in Cardiff.

Several thousand people attended the event, which included a gay rugby
tournament and a 'top gayer motor show', and which was addressed on the
importance of tolerance by Liberal Democrat council chief Rodney Berman.

The anti-gay campaigners were first asked by police to leave the site of the
show following 'complaints from the public', and complied with the request.
However, they were approached again by police when they began handing out
leaflets at the entrance to the park where the Mardi Gras was staged.

Mr Green refused to stop distributing leaflets and was arrested, and then
questioned for four hours at a police station. He was charged after refusing
a caution.

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Mr. J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com

User: "Gary V"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 10:02:33 AM

at the gay Mardi Gras event in Cardiff.

Wait - Mardi Gras in Wales? In September?
.

User: "Elder"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	11 Sep 2006 02:55:33 PM

In article <1157641353.103962.307760@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
gjvoshol@comcast.net says...

at the gay Mardi Gras event in Cardiff.

Wait - Mardi Gras in Wales? In September?

Probably in pvc hotpants too.
--
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
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User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 12:59:33 AM

Mr. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

That this 'man of the cloth' be harrassed by local police officials is
abhorant and probably illegal. Are religious beliefs no longer publicly
respected?

Do you respect the religious beliefs of nazis and the KKK?
Well, bad examples, perhaps. Um, do you respect the religious beliefs
of, say pacifists?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Parsifal"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 12:46:31 AM

Mr. Young a =E9crit :

That this 'man of the cloth' be harrassed by local police officials is
abhorant and probably illegal.

TO use your own expression, isn't it time that you "get a grip"?
Are religious beliefs no longer publicly

respected?

In order to be respected, you have to be respectable. This person is a
bigot and deserves what he got.

Is free speech no longer tolerated?

Always trust J Young to bend the concept of "free speach" to his own
conception. What about the tv programs you want to ban? What about
Madonna?
The entire British law

enforcement system has received the proverbial 'blackeye'. For Shame.

If you knew anything about shame, you wouldn't send your daily rubbish.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365857-details/Christian+fac=

es+court+over+%27offensive%27+gay+festival+leaflets/article.do

A police force was caught up in a freedom of speech row after its officers
arrested an anti-gay campaigner for handing out leaflets at a homosexual
rally.

South Wales police admitted evangelical Christian Stephen Green was then
charged purely because his pamphlets contained anti-gay quotations from t=

Bible.

Mr Green faces a court appearance today charged with using 'threatening,
abusive or insulting words or behaviour' after his attempt to distribute =

the

leaflets at the weekend 'Mardi Gras' event in Cardiff.

A spokesman for the police said the campaigner had not behaved in a viole=

or aggressive manner, but that officers arrested him because 'the leaflet
contained Biblical quotes about homosexuality'.

The arrest of Mr Green by the South Wales Minorities Support Unit provoke=

d a

furious row.
Church of England evangelicals said it represented 'an onslaught on freed=

of speech and freedom of religious expression' and Tory MPs called it
'disturbing'.

The decision to prosecute Mr Green is the latest in a series of police
initiatives aimed against those who have expressed public disapproval of
homosexual behaviour.

In recent months incidents have included a Metropolitan Police warning to
author Lynette Burrows that she was responsible for a 'homophobic inciden=

after she suggesting on a BBC Radio Five Live programme that gays did not
make ideal adoptive parents.

Another warning about future behaviour was delivered by Lancashire police
who visited the home of a Christian couple after they complained about th=

eir

local council's gay rights policies.

The Met Police in London also investigated former Muslim Council of Brita=

leader Sir Iqbal Sacranie after he gave an interview saying homosexuality
was harmful. However, no prosecution followed in that case.

The action against Mr Green came after he and a fellow member of his
evangelical group, Christian Voice, tried to distribute leaflets at the g=

Mardi Gras event in Cardiff.

Several thousand people attended the event, which included a gay rugby
tournament and a 'top gayer motor show', and which was addressed on the
importance of tolerance by Liberal Democrat council chief Rodney Berman.

The anti-gay campaigners were first asked by police to leave the site of =

the

show following 'complaints from the public', and complied with the reques=

t=2E

However, they were approached again by police when they began handing out
leaflets at the entrance to the park where the Mardi Gras was staged.

Mr Green refused to stop distributing leaflets and was arrested, and then
questioned for four hours at a police station. He was charged after refus=

ing

a caution.

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Mr. J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com

User: "John D.Wentzky"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 06:49:37 AM

"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157607991.377364.24840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Mr. Young a écrit :

That this 'man of the cloth' be harrassed by local police officials is
abhorant and probably illegal.

TO use your own expression, isn't it time that you "get a grip"?
*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Are religious beliefs no longer publicly
respected?

In order to be respected, you have to be respectable.
****So, demonstrate that you repsect people who aren't breaking the law;
and, stop acting like a Biblephobe.
This person is a
bigot and deserves what he got.
****Hypocrite and criminal's statement there.

Is free speech no longer tolerated?

Always trust J Young to bend the concept of "free speach" to his own
conception. What about the tv programs you want to ban? What about
Madonna?
****Free Speech allows these type actitivies to occur.

The entire British law enforcement system has received the proverbial
'blackeye'. For Shame.

If you knew anything about shame, you wouldn't send your daily rubbish.
****Meaning every time you read an exposition of gay BiblePhobe crimes
against law abiding citizens it pisses you off?
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 01:34:33 PM

In article <tHTLg.10359$Ca4.9824@bignews7.bellsouth.net> "John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:

"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157607991.377364.24840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Mr. Young a écrit :

That this 'man of the cloth' be harrassed by local police officials is
abhorant and probably illegal.

TO use your own expression, isn't it time that you "get a grip"?
*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

"anti-Constitutional"? England has signed on to the Constitution of
the United States?
And to think the say that you never learn anything useful on Usenet...
-- cary
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 11:13:55 PM

John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:

In order to be respected, you have to be respectable.

And that's why you don't get any respect, loser.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Douglas Berry"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 07:32:41 AM

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
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Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.

User: "John D.Wentzky"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 08:20:34 AM

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ja40g2htsiffsah5jjmvfsqvfscgt5pfll@4ax.com...

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

I noticed.
Now, how do you think that the British government will make peace between
themselves and the religious persons that fund their salaries?
.

User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 09:14:32 PM

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:20:34 -0400, John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ja40g2htsiffsah5jjmvfsqvfscgt5pfll@4ax.com...

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

I noticed.

So why are you still continuing to babble about it? (Free clue: you're not
in the UK, and you have no say over anything there.)

Now, how do you think that the British government will make peace between
themselves and the religious persons that fund their salaries?

No, I think you'll wander off into irrelevancy, as usual, to show everyone
you're just making noise to distract others from noticing that you're not all
there.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
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User: "Douglas Berry"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 09:17:41 PM

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 09:20:34 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ja40g2htsiffsah5jjmvfsqvfscgt5pfll@4ax.com...

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

I noticed.
Now, how do you think that the British government will make peace between
themselves and the religious persons that fund their salaries?

Britain isn't very religious. COE membership is declining, as is
Catholcism. Most Brits are very pragmatic people.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.

User: "Therion Ware"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	08 Sep 2006 12:39:22 AM

On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:17:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 09:20:34 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ja40g2htsiffsah5jjmvfsqvfscgt5pfll@4ax.com...

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

I noticed.
Now, how do you think that the British government will make peace between
themselves and the religious persons that fund their salaries?

Britain isn't very religious. COE membership is declining, as is
Catholcism. Most Brits are very pragmatic people.

Yes. Too much religion in an individual is generally regarded as
rather suspect and perhaps unsound, particularly in clergymen and
politicians, hence Alistair Campbell's famous "We don't do God," when
the press asked it Tony and George prayed together....
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	08 Sep 2006 12:07:52 AM

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:32:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

It's happens all the time in canada. People have been required to pay
fines of thousands of dollars simple for speaking critically of
homosexuality. There is no free speech in canada either.
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort. When homosexuality or
homosexual is mentioned in anything but abject worshipful tones
Homo-Pavlov Dogs instantly respond with the incredibly predicable
"What is it with your RRR Christian Cultist hate for homosexuality,
loathsome and bigoted LOSER?" They invoke it like some sort of pagan
chant to ward off a blasphemy against there homo-phallic-idol. It's
all part of the homosexual dogma: "Lie, Deny and do every thing
possible to Suppress the Truth about homosexuality."
.

User: "Parsifal"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	08 Sep 2006 12:56:29 AM

bibon@r=E2lant.org a =E9crit :

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:32:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

It's happens all the time in canada. People have been required to pay
fines of thousands of dollars simple for speaking critically of
homosexuality. There is no free speech in canada either.

You're either an idiot of a hypocrite. Quebec's chief of opposition and
maybe next Prime Minister is homosexual. Some people criticize it, some
don't. What is punishable is hatred. But you wouldn't know the
difference. As for "free speech in Canada", say what you want, but at
least no one is called anti-canadian for criticizing or disapproving
the Prime Minister.

Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.

False. What they can't stant is hatred and bigotry. Strangely enough,
as a non-gay, I also can't stand that.
When homosexuality or

homosexual is mentioned in anything but abject worshipful tones
Homo-Pavlov Dogs instantly respond with the incredibly predicable
"What is it with your RRR Christian Cultist hate for homosexuality,

Well, aren't they right? Look here, on this discussion group: J fucking
Young, the biggest hypocrit ***** ever, "Bobandcarol", a moron,
Duke... All fascists...
There's no "reason" for hating homosexuality. Liberals and leftists
have understood that a long time ago.

loathsome and bigoted LOSER?" They invoke it like some sort of pagan
chant to ward off a blasphemy against there homo-phallic-idol.

Are you sure you're not a closet-gay? You seem to have serious
issues...
It's

all part of the homosexual dogma: "Lie, Deny and do every thing
possible to Suppress the Truth about homosexuality."

OK, you're a closet gay. Thought so.
.

User: "Avenger"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	09 Sep 2006 02:43:22 AM

"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157694988.993201.276580@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
bibon@râlant.org a écrit :

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:32:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

It's happens all the time in canada. People have been required to pay
fines of thousands of dollars simple for speaking critically of
homosexuality. There is no free speech in canada either.

You're either an idiot of a hypocrite. Quebec's chief of opposition and
maybe next Prime Minister is homosexual. Some people criticize it, some
don't. What is punishable is hatred.
Hatred is free speech under the US Constitution. If a person actually
physically harms another person then that is a crime. Also, if a person
incites another or a group to harm another person that is a crime but it
must occur within a certain time period usually immediately. You can't claim
that someone incited violence by something he did or said last year lol
Since free speech has not been entirely eradicated (yet) in the US you may
say or write anything you please about homos.
But you wouldn't know the
difference. As for "free speech in Canada", say what you want, but at
least no one is called anti-canadian
for criticizing or disapproving
the Prime Minister.
No, they're just arrested and imprisoned for "hate speech" for legitimately
criticising the homo lifestyle.

Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.

False. What they can't stant is hatred and bigotry. Strangely enough,
as a non-gay, I also can't stand that.
You're in the closet nancy boy :o)
When homosexuality or

homosexual is mentioned in anything but abject worshipful tones
Homo-Pavlov Dogs instantly respond with the incredibly predicable
"What is it with your RRR Christian Cultist hate for homosexuality,

Well, aren't they right? Look here, on this discussion group: J fucking
Young, the biggest hypocrit ***** ever, "Bobandcarol", a moron,
Duke... All fascists...
There's no "reason" for hating homosexuality.
No one hates homos. In fact, we want to cure these poor souls of their
mental affliction :o)
Liberals and leftists
have understood that a long time ago.

loathsome and bigoted LOSER?" They invoke it like some sort of pagan
chant to ward off a blasphemy against there homo-phallic-idol.

Are you sure you're not a closet-gay? You seem to have serious
issues...
It's

all part of the homosexual dogma: "Lie, Deny and do every thing
possible to Suppress the Truth about homosexuality."

OK, you're a closet gay. Thought so.
.

User: "Dennis Kemmerer"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	09 Sep 2006 11:17:55 AM

"Avenger" <m@avengers.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uguMg.267$c22.124@trnddc07...
Yet _another_ nymshift.
[snip]
re[-plonk]
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	08 Sep 2006 02:51:19 PM

On 7 Sep 2006 22:56:29 -0700, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com>
wrote:

bibon@râlant.org a écrit :

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:32:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

It's happens all the time in canada. People have been required to pay
fines of thousands of dollars simple for speaking critically of
homosexuality. There is no free speech in canada either.

You're either an idiot of a hypocrite. Quebec's chief of opposition and
maybe next Prime Minister is homosexual. Some people criticize it, some
don't. What is punishable is hatred. But you wouldn't know the
difference. As for "free speech in Canada", say what you want, but at
least no one is called anti-canadian for criticizing or disapproving
the Prime Minister.

Really?
Religious Freedom in Canada
DR. CHRIS KEMPLING
Dr. Chris Kempling received a standing ovation for this address
delivered on March 4, 2005 in New York City at a United Nations
Commission on Human Rights Delegate Briefing.
Canada is a country which prides itself on religious freedom and
religious tolerance. And in many respects that is true. Citizens are
free to practice their faiths according to their traditions, generally
without interference from the government. And even when someone's
religious beliefs conflicts with a long established Canadian
tradition, great tolerance can be shown, as was the case with the
first Sikh Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer permitted to wear a
turban instead of the regulation hat. That constable started his
career in my home town of Quesnel, and he was accepted and appreciated
by the community.
Unfortunately, there are two primary areas of conflict between
religious freedoms and government policy in Canada: abortion and
homosexuality. A group of eight Christians, members of a group called
Operation Rescue protesting abortion were arrested and sentenced to
jail terms for peacefully protesting outside an abortion clinic. I met
one of the men, Donald Spratt, who was incarcerated in British
Columbia's maximum security Oakalla prison for his crime — he was
holding a sign outside an abortion clinic. Currently, he is awaiting
trial in the BC Court of Appeal for violating the "bubble zone" of an
abortion clinic. Once again, he was simply holding a sign with a Bible
verse on it — Thou shalt not kill.
A man by the name of Bill Whatcott, an evangelical Christian who is a
licensed practical nurse, was fined $15,000 by his professional
association, for protesting against abortion on his own time, and also
fined $20,000 by the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission for speaking
out against homosexuality. There is a great deal of intolerance shown
towards religious people who express their views in public.
In May 2002, a Catholic high school in Whitby, Ontario, was forced by
the Ontario Supreme Court to allow a homosexual student, Marc Hall, to
take his boyfriend to the graduation prom, even though the church-run
school has strict prohibitions against condoning any kind of
homosexual behaviour. And marriage commissioners, who are public
employees licensed to perform civil marriages, were told by Frank
Quennell, the Saskatchewan Minister of Justice, to resign if they
intend to refuse to perform same sex marriages. Several have already.
The new legislation currently being considered by the Canadian
government provides no protection for civic officials who for reasons
of conscience or religious belief will not perform a same sex
marriage.
If Christians say publicly that they disapprove of homosexual
behaviour because the Bible declares it to be immoral, then that is
"promoting hatred". If they quote medical statistics about the HIV
infection rates of homosexual men, that is "promoting hatred". If they
object to their children being indoctrinated in kindergarten class
with information about homosexuality, they are hateful people.
Just a few months ago, a lesbian couple in the Vancouver suburb of
Coquitlam arranged to rent a hall for their wedding reception from the
Knights of Columbus, a Catholics men's service group. When the group
discovered that the marriage was going to be between two women, they
cancelled the rental agreement, stating that their religious beliefs
prevented them from accommodating a same sex wedding. Even though they
paid to reprint the wedding invitations and for the rental of a new
hall, the couple is still suing the group in the BC Human Rights
Tribunal.
Camp Arnes is a camp operated by the Mennonite Church, located on Lake
Winnipeg in Manitoba. A homosexual choir called the Rainbow Harmony
Project booked the camp for a weekend retreat. The Mennonites
cancelled the booking after discovering that the choir was homosexual
in nature, citing their faith, their mission statement and their code
of conduct conflicted with the choir's purpose. The choir filed a
discrimination suit with the Manitoba Human Rights commission, where
the decision is pending. The Winnipeg school district has now
forbidden all school groups from using Camp Arnes as well as three
other Christian camps.
My dictionary says that tolerance is "the disposition to adopt a
liberal attitude towards the opinions or acts of others, especially
those of other religions or ethnic backgrounds." One would think that
tolerance would mean that social liberals would be tolerant about our
religious beliefs. In the Newspeak of today, however, tolerance means
everyone is obliged to take a liberal attitude towards immoral sexual
behaviour, but those who practice that immoral behaviour do not have
to tolerate Christian beliefs which oppose such behaviour.
Then there's the term "hate". If Christians say publicly that they
disapprove of homosexual behaviour because the Bible declares it to be
immoral, then that is "promoting hatred". If they quote medical
statistics about the HIV infection rates of homosexual men, that is
"promoting hatred". If they object to their children being
indoctrinated in kindergarten class with information about
homosexuality, they are hateful people. Apparently Canadians can hold
religious beliefs, but if they tell anyone else in a public forum,
such as a newspaper, they are "promoting hatred".
How about "homophobia". It literally means an irrational fear, even
terror, of homosexual persons. A phobia is a mental illness, which can
be successfully treated. In Communist Russia, dissidents were
sentenced to forced treatment in psychiatric hospitals, not because
they were mentally ill, but because they had wrong thoughts. I believe
it is no accident that the Gay Rights term for disapproval of
homosexual behaviour is a mental illness term. In all my years as a
mental health professional, however, I have never encountered anyone
with an irrational fear of homosexuals. But the definition of
homophobia, as defined by gay activists, is the unwillingness to
approve of homosexuality. Even toleration without approval is defined
as homophobic. So if you have a moral objection to homosexuality, you
are "mentally ill" and require re-education. One homosexual activist,
John McKellar, who opposes the Gay Pride movement, calls the use of
the word homophobia, "a contrived slander" against religiously
conservative people. But activists realize that religious people are
unlikely to change, which is why they are focusing a tremendous amount
of attention on re-educating children in public schools.
Let's take a look at some of the people who have been targeted by
homosexual activists.
Mr. Hugh Owen is an evangelical Christian employed as a prison guard.
He placed an ad in the Saskatchewan Star Phoenix. The ad was a picture
of two stick men holding hands, with a red circle with a bar across,
superimposed on them. Below were four scripture references, but not
the actual Bible verses. In 2001 he was convicted of a hate crime by
the Saskatchewan Human Rights Tribunal and forced to pay his three
accusers $1500 each. The judge in the Saskatchewan Court of Queen's
Bench suggested that using Bible verses in a newspaper ad like this,
could be construed as hate literature. So there is now legal precedent
in Canada that the Holy Bible is hate literature.
Dagmar and Arnost Cepica, a Christian couple in Prince Edward Island
who operated a bed and breakfast in their own home, refused to rent
their bedroom to two homosexual men. In 2001, they were charged and
convicted of discrimination, and rather than fight the matter in
court, they closed their business down.
Then there was the 1996 high profile case of professional printer
Scott Brockie, who refused to print material for the Canadian Gay and
Lesbian Archives, because he felt doing so would violate his religious
beliefs. He was fined $5000 on February 24, 2000, and ordered to print
the material anyway. Mr. Brockie took his case to the Ontario Supreme
Court, then to the Ontario Court of Appeal and lost both times. The
court has ordered Mr. Brockie to pay his opponents legal costs of
$40,000. His total legal bills surpass $170,000. Like myself, he has
set up a trust fund to help him with this burden, as he cannot afford
it himself.
A few years ago, Evangelist Rev. Ken Campbell of Hamilton, placed ads
in a Toronto newspaper objecting to the promotion of homosexuality by
governments and public schools. He had two complaints laid against him
in the Ontario and BC Human Rights Tribunals by homosexual activists.
He went to the tribunals, without any legal representation, and
basically preached the gospel, outlining in detail what the Bible says
about homosexuality. He was acquitted by both tribunals, one of the
few victories Christians have had in disputes with homosexual
activists.
Stephen Boissoin of Calgary, is an evangelical pastor who wrote a
letter to the editor questioning the promotion of homosexuality in the
public school system. A University of Calgary professor has charged
him with discrimination under the Alberta Human Rights act. Last May,
at a fund-raising dinner for him held in a Calgary hotel, masked
homosexual thugs burst into the dining room and disrupted the meeting,
chanting "Right wing bigots go away, Gay Militia is here to stay".
They carried a banner saying "Liberation: Queer Invasion". Their
tactics remind me of the Nazi Brownshirts of the 1930's.
Several mayors of Canadian cities have been taken to Human Rights
Tribunals for refusing to declare Gay Pride Days in their cities. The
most prominent one was Diane Haskett, mayor of London, Ontario. She
was found guilty of discrimination in 1997 and fined $10,000. Her
sentence was issued during her re-election campaign, and she stopped
campaigning. She won re-election by an overwhelming margin anyway.
Also targeted were the mayors of Fredricton, New Brunswick, Hamilton,
Ontario,(Brad Woodard and Bob Morrow), Kelowna, BC and Oliver, BC, as
well as Ernie Reine, the Chief of Police of Regina, Saskatchewan. In
the year 2000 every city in British Columbia was threatened with a
Human Rights Tribunal lawsuit if they did not proclaim a Gay Pride Day
by a group called the Rainbow Coalition. Many cities did, but some
cities stopped making proclamations of any kind just to avoid the
whole controversy. The Mayor of my town, who is a devout Catholic,
refused to sign the proclamation after the city council passed the Gay
Pride Day resolution over his objection.
Another concern by religious Canadians who belong to unions is their
inability to prevent the unions from using their union dues to support
homosexual or abortion causes. Although some labour laws allow union
dues to be redirected to a charity for reasons of conscience, the
process is difficult and expensive, and some people chose to quit
their jobs rather than hire a lawyer to make sure they don't have to
support causes they find morally offensive. My own union, the BC
Teachers Federation, is an active supporter of the gay rights movement
and has published their materials. One of the materials they published
states that King David and Jonathan were gay lovers, and that all
those who are morally opposed to homosexuality are homophobic and
require re-education. Just last month the Ontario Elementary School
Teachers Association publicly endorsed same sex marriage, even though
many of their members are personally opposed to the concept.
Trinity Western University is a private Christian University in
British Columbia which had permission to train elementary school
teachers for the first four years of a five year program. As a
Christian institution, they require all students to sign a pledge that
they will not engage in immoral sexual conduct including homosexual
behaviour, while on campus. In 1995, Trinity applied for permission to
have their fifth year certified. The College of Teachers sent two
committees to investigate, and both of them recommended approval of
the program. But the College of Teachers overruled their own
committees, and denied approval of the University's fifth year
education program, arguing that the University's morality clause would
produce discriminatory teachers. They presented no evidence of that
position and lost all three court cases. Trinity had to spend $1.5
million on the case and only was able to recoup $168,000 from the
College of Teachers. Trinity still has to prove to the College that
they provide "anti-oppression pedagogy" courses to maintain
certification of their education program.
I am a Christian seven days a week, both on the job and off the job,
and I will not compromise my faith to teach falsehoods to children.
Christians writing to Senator Laurier Lapierre to protest Svend
Robinson's hate crime bill, Bill C-250 got this response on February
24th 2004. "You should be ashamed of yourself for reading such books"
referring to the Bible. He continued, "If your god teaches you to hate
and judge, then get another god. You people are sick. God should
strike you dead." And in response to one writer who signed her letter,
"in God's service", he said, "This letter is more in the devil's
service." Senator Lapierre later apologized after receiving a storm of
criticism over his hate filled comments. Just recently, Pierre
Pettigrew, Canada's minister of foreign affairs, suggested that
churches had no business commenting publicly on the government's same
sex marriage law.
Prior to the last election, Revenue Canada officials, the tax
department, called in representatives of the Catholic and Evangelical
Christian churches to warn them that they could lose their charitable
status if they tried to influence their members to vote for parties
which oppose same sex marriage. One of the most offensive incidents of
anti-Christian discrimination was when officials from the Prime
Minister's office told two Christian ministers not to make any
references to Jesus Christ, the cross, or the New Testament in their
memorial prayers during the Swissair memorial in Nova Scotia in
September, 1998. At first the Prime Minister's office denied forcing
the two ministers to delete references to Jesus from their prayers,
but later admitted they did so because they thought that other
religious leaders would be offended. Muslim and Jewish religious
leaders were free to say whatever they wished, and were able to quote
freely from the Torah and the Koran.
And last month, CBC Radio, the government's broadcasting company,
refused to accept a paid ad from the Maritime Christian College,
because it was advertising a lecture that was going to discuss family
issues from a Christian perspective. No private broadcaster refused
the ad.
The largest school district in the province of British Columbia in the
Vancouver suburb of Surrey was sued by one of its own employees, a
homosexual kindergarten teacher, so that he could use books promoting
same sex families in his classroom. The Supreme Court of Canada
eventually ruled that the school district's decision to forbid use of
the books was influenced by the religious beliefs of some trustees and
parents, and ordered the school board to re-evaluate the books without
any religious criteria. The gay kindergarten teacher was furious when
the school board rejected the books again because two were out of
print and the third had a grammatical error in it. But two lesbian
women are now suing the school board again, because the board had
allowed religious parents from Christian, Sikh and Hindu religions to
explain their concerns about the books in a public meeting, and the
lesbians didn't like their statements. That case will be before the BC
Human Rights Tribunal this summer.
Also before the BC Human Rights Tribunal at this time is a suit filed
by another homosexual teacher. He is trying to force the British
Columbia Ministry of Education to change the entire British Columbia
school curriculum for all grades and subject areas to include "queer
studies" and "queer role models". If he is successful, even students
in religious schools may be affected, as all private religious schools
which accept government funding must prove that they are using the BC
Curriculum.
Three children on Vancouver Island being home schooled, recently
failed to graduate from high school, because their parents refused to
teach them a small mandatory course which included sex education, on
religious grounds. They regarded the course, called Personal Planning,
as an attempt at social engineering and promoting immorality. The
mother, Cheryl Howard of Courtenay, took the case to the BC Human
Rights Tribunal but lost. Her children had straight A's in every other
course.
Then there's my case. On May 9th of 2002 I was convicted of conduct
unbecoming a member of the BC College of Teachers. The reason was
because I expressed my opinion in my local newspaper. Between April
1997 and July, 2000, I wrote one freelance column and six letters to
the editor of my town's newspaper, which questioned the wisdom of
promoting the homosexual agenda. I provided factual information on
rates of promiscuity and disease infection which had been previously
published in scholarly journals. I said that many religions consider
homosexuality to be immoral, that it may be caused by negative
psycho-social influences, and that it was nothing to be applauded. I
said that I would refuse to be a false teacher, compromising my faith
to teach information which the Bible clearly says is immoral. I said
this not in my classroom, or my staff room, but on the editorial pages
of my local newspaper. I had thought that the editorial page was a
place where all Canadians have the right to express their points of
view, whether other people like them or not. I highly value the
freedom of the press, and all points of view should be represented in
our newspapers, including those opposed to ours. But a man by the name
of Hayward Broun once said, "Everyone favours free speech in the slack
moments when no axes are being ground." And how true that is.
I appealed the conviction to the BC Supreme Court, but lost in
February of last year. If this verdict is upheld by the courts,
teachers will not be able to write privately to their own supervisors
to question a new curriculum resource, or write privately their own
elected officials on a matter of public policy, nor will they able to
address the topic of homosexuality in post graduate research papers. I
was disciplined for doing all of these things. This is an unacceptable
restriction of freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and freedom
of intellectual expression.
The College presented no complaints about what I had written publicly
from teachers, none from students, none from parents, and most
importantly, none from any member of the gay community. The people who
did disagree with me did so by writing their own letters to the
editor, and I fully support their right to do that.
The Catholic Civil Rights League, the Christian Legal Fellowship, the
Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, The Christian Teachers Association
have banded together to form the Canadian Religion Freedom Alliance to
assist in my defence. My union is also supporting me. The case will be
heard on April 21 and 22, this year. Joining the College of Teachers
in opposing me is the BC Civil Liberties Association, who feel I
should be suspended indefinitely unless I publicly recant, and the BC
Public School Employers Association.
My school district supervisors have also decided to silence me. They
have disciplined me repeatedly for speaking out, including for
advertising my intention to offer orientation change therapy services
through my private practice. On March 31, I must appear before a
formal hearing of the Quesnel School Board to explain why I publicly
criticized the government's same sex marriage legislation. I am facing
a lengthy suspension without pay, even though not one homosexual
person has complained about what I wrote. I've filed a Human Rights
complaint against the school district for religious discrimination.
I am a Christian seven days a week, both on the job and off the job,
and I will not compromise my faith to teach falsehoods to children.
As servants of the Most High God, it is our duty to speak up
courageously for what is right. I do not know what may become of me,
of my career. My lawyer has told me that my legal costs could reach a
half a million dollars. I have a trust fund called The Christian
Public School Teachers' Legal Defense Fund, but I do not currently
have adequate funds to defend myself. I am trusting in God to help my
defense.
Canada does have religious freedom, but that freedom is under assault.
Thank you for inviting me to speak, and may God bless you all.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
Chris Kempling. "Religious Freedom in Canada." United Nations
Commission on Human Rights Delegate Briefing, (March 4, 2005, New York
City).
This article reprinted with permission from Chris Kemplling.
THE AUTHOR
Dr. Chris Kempling Psy.D. R.C.C. is a registered clinical counsellor
in Quesnel, BC V2J 5R5. Write him at: Kempling@telus.net.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	09 Sep 2006 12:30:40 AM

<bibon@râlant.org> wrote:

On 7 Sep 2006 22:56:29 -0700, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com>
wrote:

bibon@râlant.org a écrit :

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:32:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, censoring
gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

It's happens all the time in canada. People have been required to pay
fines of thousands of dollars simple for speaking critically of
homosexuality. There is no free speech in canada either.

You're either an idiot of a hypocrite. Quebec's chief of opposition and
maybe next Prime Minister is homosexual. Some people criticize it, some
don't. What is punishable is hatred. But you wouldn't know the
difference. As for "free speech in Canada", say what you want, but at
least no one is called anti-canadian for criticizing or disapproving
the Prime Minister.

Unless, of course, this version of the story is a complete lie.

A man by the name of Bill Whatcott, an evangelical Christian who is a
licensed practical nurse, was fined $15,000 by his professional
association, for protesting against abortion on his own time, and also
fined $20,000 by the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission for speaking
out against homosexuality. There is a great deal of intolerance shown
towards religious people who express their views in public.

Pretty hypocritical for intolerant bigots to be whining about
intolerance.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "gingerbeer25"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	10 Sep 2006 12:37:37 PM

Ray Fischer wrote:

<bibon@r=E2lant.org> wrote:

On 7 Sep 2006 22:56:29 -0700, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com>
wrote:

bibon@r=E2lant.org a =E9crit :

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:32:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> posting the following on Thu, 7 Sep
2006 07:49:37 -0400 iin alt.atheism?

*****You mean that there are anti-Constitutional, anti-speech, cens=

oring

gays in government wearing badges?

Dude, this took place in Great Britain.

It's happens all the time in canada. People have been required to pay
fines of thousands of dollars simple for speaking critically of
homosexuality. There is no free speech in canada either.

You're either an idiot of a hypocrite. Quebec's chief of opposition and
maybe next Prime Minister is homosexual. Some people criticize it, some
don't. What is punishable is hatred. But you wouldn't know the
difference. As for "free speech in Canada", say what you want, but at
least no one is called anti-canadian for criticizing or disapproving
the Prime Minister.

Unless, of course, this version of the story is a complete lie.

Pretty hypocritical for intolerant bigots to be whining about
intolerance.
=20
--=20
Ray Fischer =20
rfischer@sonic.net

Well said!
.

User: "bob&carole"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 08:46:04 AM

Parsifal wrote:

Mr. Young a =E9crit :

That this 'man of the cloth' be harrassed by local police officials is
abhorant and probably illegal.

TO use your own expression, isn't it time that you "get a grip"?

Are religious beliefs no longer publicly

respected?

In order to be respected, you have to be respectable. This person is a
bigot and deserves what he got.

And I would bet he didn't spend 5 minutes in jail

Is free speech no longer tolerated?

Always trust J Young to bend the concept of "free speach" to his own
conception. What about the tv programs you want to ban? What about
Madonna?

The entire British law

enforcement system has received the proverbial 'blackeye'. For Shame.

If you knew anything about shame, you wouldn't send your daily rubbish.

Mr Young is a respected contributor, unlike YOU

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365857-details/Christian+f=

aces+court+over+%27offensive%27+gay+festival+leaflets/article.do

A police force was caught up in a freedom of speech row after its offic=

ers

arrested an anti-gay campaigner for handing out leaflets at a homosexual
rally.

South Wales police admitted evangelical Christian Stephen Green was then
charged purely because his pamphlets contained anti-gay quotations from=

the

Bible.

Mr Green faces a court appearance today charged with using 'threatening,
abusive or insulting words or behaviour' after his attempt to distribut=

e the

leaflets at the weekend 'Mardi Gras' event in Cardiff.

A spokesman for the police said the campaigner had not behaved in a vio=

lent

or aggressive manner, but that officers arrested him because 'the leafl=

contained Biblical quotes about homosexuality'.

The arrest of Mr Green by the South Wales Minorities Support Unit provo=

ked a

furious row.
Church of England evangelicals said it represented 'an onslaught on fre=

edom

author Lynette Burrows that she was responsible for a 'homophobic incid=

ent'

after she suggesting on a BBC Radio Five Live programme that gays did n=

make ideal adoptive parents.

Another warning about future behaviour was delivered by Lancashire poli=

who visited the home of a Christian couple after they complained about =

their

local council's gay rights policies.

The Met Police in London also investigated former Muslim Council of Bri=

tain

leader Sir Iqbal Sacranie after he gave an interview saying homosexuali=

was harmful. However, no prosecution followed in that case.

The action against Mr Green came after he and a fellow member of his
evangelical group, Christian Voice, tried to distribute leaflets at the=

gay

f the

show following 'complaints from the public', and complied with the requ=

est.

However, they were approached again by police when they began handing o=

leaflets at the entrance to the park where the Mardi Gras was staged.

Mr Green refused to stop distributing leaflets and was arrested, and th=

questioned for four hours at a police station. He was charged after ref=

using

a caution.

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youngopinions@aol.com

User: ""
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 09:27:01 AM

On 7-Sep-2006, "bob&carole" <bobandcarole100@hotmail.com> wrote:

If you knew anything about shame, you wouldn't send your daily rubbish.

Mr Young is a respected contributor, unlike YOU

ROTFLMHO!!!
Stay killfiled, moron.
Susan
.

User: "bobandcarole"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	09 Sep 2006 07:50:58 AM

wrote:

On 7-Sep-2006, "bob&carole" <bobandcarole100@hotmail.com> wrote:

If you knew anything about shame, you wouldn't send your daily rubbish.

Mr Young is a respected contributor, unlike YOU

ROTFLMHO!!!

Stay killfiled, moron.

You mean like you killfiled me? LOL
Stupid *****................

Susan

User: "bobandcarole"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	09 Sep 2006 08:53:55 AM

bobandcarole wrote:

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:

On 7-Sep-2006, "bob&carole" <bobandcarole100@hotmail.com> wrote:

If you knew anything about shame, you wouldn't send your daily rubbish.

Mr Young is a respected contributor, unlike YOU

ROTFLMHO!!!

Stay killfiled, moron.

You mean like you killfiled me? LOL
Stupid *****................

Susan

User: "Parsifal"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	07 Sep 2006 01:10:55 PM

bob&carole schrieb:

Parsifal wrote:

Mr. Young a =E9crit :

That this 'man of the cloth' be harrassed by local police officials is
abhorant and probably illegal.

TO use your own expression, isn't it time that you "get a grip"?

Are religious beliefs no longer publicly

respected?

In order to be respected, you have to be respectable. This person is a
bigot and deserves what he got.

And I would bet he didn't spend 5 minutes in jail

So what? The idea is still there.

Is free speech no longer tolerated?

Always trust J Young to bend the concept of "free speach" to his own
conception. What about the tv programs you want to ban? What about
Madonna?

The entire British law

enforcement system has received the proverbial 'blackeye'. For Shame.

If you knew anything about shame, you wouldn't send your daily rubbish.

Mr Young is a respected contributor, unlike YOU

Oh, thanks for the laugh!
Besides you -another bigot and nazi turd- no one here, I repeat NO ONE,
has never taken this little piece of ***** seriously. The fact that you
defend him is quite revealing...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365857-details/Christian=

+faces+court+over+%27offensive%27+gay+festival+leaflets/article.do

A police force was caught up in a freedom of speech row after its off=

icers

arrested an anti-gay campaigner for handing out leaflets at a homosex=

ual

rally.

South Wales police admitted evangelical Christian Stephen Green was t=

hen

charged purely because his pamphlets contained anti-gay quotations fr=

om the

Bible.

Mr Green faces a court appearance today charged with using 'threateni=

ng,

abusive or insulting words or behaviour' after his attempt to distrib=

ute the

leaflets at the weekend 'Mardi Gras' event in Cardiff.

A spokesman for the police said the campaigner had not behaved in a v=

iolent

or aggressive manner, but that officers arrested him because 'the lea=

flet

contained Biblical quotes about homosexuality'.

The arrest of Mr Green by the South Wales Minorities Support Unit pro=

voked a

furious row.
Church of England evangelicals said it represented 'an onslaught on f=

reedom

homosexual behaviour.

In recent months incidents have included a Metropolitan Police warnin=

g to

author Lynette Burrows that she was responsible for a 'homophobic inc=

ident'

after she suggesting on a BBC Radio Five Live programme that gays did=

not

make ideal adoptive parents.

Another warning about future behaviour was delivered by Lancashire po=

lice

who visited the home of a Christian couple after they complained abou=

t their

local council's gay rights policies.

The Met Police in London also investigated former Muslim Council of B=

ritain

leader Sir Iqbal Sacranie after he gave an interview saying homosexua=

lity

he gay

Mardi Gras event in Cardiff.

Several thousand people attended the event, which included a gay rugby
tournament and a 'top gayer motor show', and which was addressed on t=

importance of tolerance by Liberal Democrat council chief Rodney Berm=

an.

The anti-gay campaigners were first asked by police to leave the site=

of the

show following 'complaints from the public', and complied with the re=

quest.

However, they were approached again by police when they began handing=

out

leaflets at the entrance to the park where the Mardi Gras was staged.

Mr Green refused to stop distributing leaflets and was arrested, and =

then

questioned for four hours at a police station. He was charged after r=

efusing

a caution.

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youngopinions@aol.com

User: "bob&carole"
Title: Re: Christian faces court over 'offensive' gay festival leaflets	09 Sep 2006 10:52:56 PM

Parsifal wrote:

bob&carole schrieb:

Parsifal wrote:

Mr. Young a =E9crit :

That this 'man of the cloth' be harrassed by local police officials=

abhorant and probably illegal.

TO use your own expression, isn't it time that you "get a grip"?

Are religious beliefs no longer publicly

respected?

In order to be respected, you have to be respectable. This person is a
bigot and deserves what he got.

And I would bet he didn't spend 5 minutes in jail

So what? The idea is still there.

Is free speech no longer tolerated?