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28 Jun 2006 11:34:28 PM |
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Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city revered by
three of worlds major religions . This parade belongs in Tel Aviv
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3268273%2C00.html
Leaders of three Jerusalem-based Christian organizations issue statement
saying parade is provocative
Three major Christian organizations based in Jerusalem issued a statement
condemning the World Pride gay parade planned for the city in August.
" We do so out of our great love and respect for Jerusalem, the only city in
the world that the Bible decrees as holy," read a statement signed by the
Bridges For Peace, Christian Friends of Israel and the International
Christian Embassy in Jerusalem.
The statement argued that organizers have planned the event in Jerusalem to
provoke "those of biblical faith" and not because of the city's importance
to the gay and lesbian community.
"The decision to hold this event in Jerusalem can only be seen as a
calculated and confrontational act meant to provoke and offend those who
adhere to timeless, biblical moral standards in the very place they hold
most dear," the statement said.
It continued: "We stand in solidarity with the clear majority of Jerusalem
residents who oppose this degradation of their city, and
we urge the proper national and local authorities to reconsider the decision
to allow the event to take place."
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J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
29 Jun 2006 01:15:40 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city revered by
three of worlds major religions . This parade belongs in Tel Aviv
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3268273%2C00.html
Leaders of three Jerusalem-based Christian organizations issue statement
saying parade is provocative
Three major Christian organizations based in Jerusalem issued a statement
condemning the World Pride gay parade planned for the city in August.
" We do so out of our great love and respect for Jerusalem, the only city in
the world that the Bible decrees as holy," read a statement signed by the
Bridges For Peace, Christian Friends of Israel and the International
Christian Embassy in Jerusalem.
The statement argued that organizers have planned the event in Jerusalem to
provoke "those of biblical faith" and not because of the city's importance
to the gay and lesbian community.
"The decision to hold this event in Jerusalem can only be seen as a
calculated and confrontational act meant to provoke and offend those who
adhere to timeless, biblical moral standards in the very place they hold
most dear," the statement said.
It continued: "We stand in solidarity with the clear majority of Jerusalem
residents who oppose this degradation of their city, and
we urge the proper national and local authorities to reconsider the decision
to allow the event to take place."
J. Young and the bigots are out to lunch again. Why should gays and
lesbians living in Jerusalem have to drive to Tel Aviv to have a
parade?
If the Christians don't like it, the can leave the city for the day,
head up to where Jesus was supposedly crucified, and pray that they
will get over their bigotry.
Alternatively, they can martyr themsleves en mass. At least there
won't be a virgin shortage in Heaven as the Christian heaven doesn't
supply each of its martyrs with 72 virgins. I'm surprised most of them
don't convert and become Muslims. After all, no straight guy would
turn down 72 virgins. :-)
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| User: "Don Ocean" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
29 Jun 2006 01:27:50 AM |
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No One wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city revered by
three of worlds major religions . This parade belongs in Tel Aviv
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3268273%2C00.html
Leaders of three Jerusalem-based Christian organizations issue statement
saying parade is provocative
Three major Christian organizations based in Jerusalem issued a statement
condemning the World Pride gay parade planned for the city in August.
" We do so out of our great love and respect for Jerusalem, the only city in
the world that the Bible decrees as holy," read a statement signed by the
Bridges For Peace, Christian Friends of Israel and the International
Christian Embassy in Jerusalem.
The statement argued that organizers have planned the event in Jerusalem to
provoke "those of biblical faith" and not because of the city's importance
to the gay and lesbian community.
"The decision to hold this event in Jerusalem can only be seen as a
calculated and confrontational act meant to provoke and offend those who
adhere to timeless, biblical moral standards in the very place they hold
most dear," the statement said.
It continued: "We stand in solidarity with the clear majority of Jerusalem
residents who oppose this degradation of their city, and
we urge the proper national and local authorities to reconsider the decision
to allow the event to take place."
J. Young and the bigots are out to lunch again. Why should gays and
lesbians living in Jerusalem have to drive to Tel Aviv to have a
parade?
If the Christians don't like it, the can leave the city for the day,
head up to where Jesus was supposedly crucified, and pray that they
will get over their bigotry.
I do so hope the Christians that are in Congress and hand out the
money that feeds Israel reads this and sees the folly of continuing to
do so!
Alternatively, they can martyr themsleves en mass. At least there
won't be a virgin shortage in Heaven as the Christian heaven doesn't
supply each of its martyrs with 72 virgins. I'm surprised most of them
don't convert and become Muslims. After all, no straight guy would
turn down 72 virgins. :-)
I have a much better Idea.. Lets cleanse our arsenals of about half of
the Nukes we possess by delivering them Via Airmail to the entire middle
east. The first one of course to be your personal chariot! ;-p
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
29 Jun 2006 08:15:35 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city revered by
three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate. Ergo, he
would be pro-gay and approve of this event.
Why do you disapprove of what God would approve of (if he exists)?
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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29 Jun 2006 11:17:24 PM |
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In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
30 Jun 2006 07:27:35 AM |
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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30 Jun 2006 07:29:59 AM |
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In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the stupid *****
bollixed the whole thing up.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
30 Jun 2006 10:44:36 PM |
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:bP8pg.539$cd3.94@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the stupid
*****
bollixed the whole thing up.
One of the reasons I don't believe in god.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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30 Jun 2006 10:45:30 PM |
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In News e84r30$b44$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:bP8pg.539$cd3.94@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and
compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the
stupid ***** bollixed the whole thing up.
One of the reasons I don't believe in god.
Exactly.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Holy Bretts" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
30 Jun 2006 08:20:24 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:29:59 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the stupid *****
bollixed the whole thing up.
Either that, or he's Evil.
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Holy Bretts
MF-er of God
Pray for us.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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30 Jun 2006 10:45:00 PM |
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"Holy Bretts" <Hallelujah@InJesusName.amen> wrote in message
news:289aa25ulovt6v9t349s0tqt1vh1hh9s79@4ax.com...
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:29:59 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the stupid
*****
bollixed the whole thing up.
Either that, or he's Evil.
Or doesn't exist.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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30 Jun 2006 08:21:53 AM |
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In News 289aa25ulovt6v9t349s0tqt1vh1hh9s79@4ax.com,, Holy Bretts at
Hallelujah@InJesusName.amen, typed this:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:29:59 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and
compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the
stupid ***** bollixed the whole thing up.
Either that, or he's Evil.
True.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
30 Jun 2006 08:43:31 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:20:24 GMT, in alt.atheism
Holy Bretts <Hallelujah@InJesusName.amen> wrote in
<289aa25ulovt6v9t349s0tqt1vh1hh9s79@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:29:59 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the stupid *****
bollixed the whole thing up.
Either that, or he's Evil.
Or a cat.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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30 Jun 2006 10:46:39 PM |
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:20:24 GMT, in alt.atheism
Holy Bretts <Hallelujah@InJesusName.amen> wrote in
<289aa25ulovt6v9t349s0tqt1vh1hh9s79@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:29:59 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the stupid
*****
bollixed the whole thing up.
Either that, or he's Evil.
Or a cat.
If god were a cat, the world would be filled with scratching posts, tuna and
catnip, and there would be no dogs.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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30 Jun 2006 10:47:24 PM |
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In News e84r6r$b57$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:20:24 GMT, in alt.atheism
Holy Bretts <Hallelujah@InJesusName.amen> wrote in
<289aa25ulovt6v9t349s0tqt1vh1hh9s79@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:29:59 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and
compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the
stupid ***** bollixed the whole thing up.
Either that, or he's Evil.
Or a cat.
If god were a cat, the world would be filled with scratching posts,
tuna and catnip, and there would be no dogs.
LOL!
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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05 Jul 2006 08:57:41 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:46:39 +0800, in alt.atheism
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in
<e84r6r$b57$1@news.seed.net.tw>:
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:20:24 GMT, in alt.atheism
Holy Bretts <Hallelujah@InJesusName.amen> wrote in
<289aa25ulovt6v9t349s0tqt1vh1hh9s79@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:29:59 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
In News e835bk$kdb$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Look around, do you see any signs of "supremely intelligent and
compassionate" in its alleged design? It looks to me like the stupid
*****
bollixed the whole thing up.
Either that, or he's Evil.
Or a cat.
If god were a cat, the world would be filled with scratching posts, tuna and
catnip, and there would be no dogs.
For cats, the entire world is a scratching post, particularly if one of
the Staff has just spent one or two grand on a new one (sometimes called
furniture by the Staff). Of course dogs were created to allow cats to
abuse something larger than themselves when they get tired of playing
with the mice and the chipmunks.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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30 Jun 2006 10:12:44 AM |
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Peacenik wrote:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:oB1pg.428$cd3.67@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
In News e80jpe$huv$1@news.seed.net.tw,, Peacenik at
cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ILidnSjo6pfExT7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions.
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
Not even close. Read up on some mythology. Thor, for example, was not
that intelligent, and was a brawler and fighter. Kali (Hinduism) is
NOT compassionate. She is the goddess of death, and the "patron" of
assassins.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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30 Jun 2006 09:33:54 PM |
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Peacenik wrote:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL12@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
Peacenik at cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com, typed this:
If God exists, he would be supremely intelligent and compassionate.
Why would we assume that?
Isn't that part of the definition of a god?
The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or,
being willing to do so cannot; or they neither can nor will, or lastly,
they are both able and willing. If they have the will to remove evil and
cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can, but will not, then
they are not benevolent. If they are neither able or willing, then they
are neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and
willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?
-- Epicurus, 300 BC
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"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
11 Jul 2006 12:39:58 PM |
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George <classic14@excite.com> wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or,
being willing to do so cannot; or they neither can nor will, or lastly,
they are both able and willing. If they have the will to remove evil and
cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can, but will not, then
they are not benevolent. If they are neither able or willing, then they
are neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and
willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?
-- Epicurus, 300 BC
Your quote from Epicurus caught my eye; it reflects the thinking of man
before the Christ story. The Greeks were accustomed to gods of
thunderous power who denied human beings agency and free will;
Aeschylus wrote of a God who even denied humanity fire just to keep
them weak and subservient.
But Christianity introduced a new notion of God. Christianity
introduced the notion of a God of love, who loved humanity so much (as
man was made in His divine image) as to afford us free will. But with
free will comes the ability to use such freedom badly, hence the evil
in the world. But a God of love, who respects the freedom of humanity,
is even able to turn our disordered priorities and self-absorbed
obsessions to good purposes. He can draw good out of our lives in spite
of ourselves.
Why then do so many "Christians" oppose free will and demand
obedience?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
13 Jul 2006 09:47:00 PM |
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On 10 Jul 2006 08:20:30 -0700, "George" <classic14@excite.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Dionisio wrote:
The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or,
being willing to do so cannot; or they neither can nor will, or lastly,
they are both able and willing. If they have the will to remove evil and
cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can, but will not, then
they are not benevolent. If they are neither able or willing, then they
are neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and
willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?
-- Epicurus, 300 BC
Your quote from Epicurus caught my eye; it reflects the thinking of man
before the Christ story. The Greeks were accustomed to gods of
thunderous power who denied human beings agency and free will;
Aeschylus wrote of a God who even denied humanity fire just to keep
them weak and subservient.
But Christianity introduced a new notion of God.
Same ***** different name.
Christianity introduced the notion of a God of love, who loved humanity
so much
that he drowns, kills, crushes, tortures, rapes, robs, burns, buries,
kills via horrendous diseases before torturing lovingly via flames that
will not be quenched as it had scripted eons before.
(as
man was made in His divine image) as to afford us free will.
Please rent a clue.
[snip the rest of the mindnumbing idiocy]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
29 Jun 2006 12:51:36 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city
revered by three of worlds major religions . This parade belongs in
Tel Aviv
Maybe they're looking for Jesus.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
29 Jun 2006 12:45:23 AM |
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a =E9crit :
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious
There's nothing sacrilegious in such a parade. Get a life, moron. And
get out of the closet already... you'll feel much better...
event in a city revered by
three of worlds major religions .
Funny, you're posting this rubbish to an ATHEIST-discussion group... As
much as we appreciate the symbol of Jerusalem, why should we give it a
special status?
This parade belongs in Tel Aviv
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3268273%2C00.html
Leaders of three Jerusalem-based Christian organizations issue statement
saying parade is provocative
Three major Christian organizations based in Jerusalem issued a statement
condemning the World Pride gay parade planned for the city in August.
" We do so out of our great love and respect for Jerusalem, the only city=
in
the world that the Bible decrees as holy," read a statement signed by the
Bridges For Peace, Christian Friends of Israel and the International
Christian Embassy in Jerusalem.
The statement argued that organizers have planned the event in Jerusalem =
to
provoke "those of biblical faith" and not because of the city's importance
to the gay and lesbian community.
"The decision to hold this event in Jerusalem can only be seen as a
calculated and confrontational act meant to provoke and offend those who
adhere to timeless, biblical moral standards in the very place they hold
most dear," the statement said.
It continued: "We stand in solidarity with the clear majority of Jerusalem
residents who oppose this degradation of their city, and
we urge the proper national and local authorities to reconsider the decis=
ion
to allow the event to take place."
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
29 Jun 2006 01:26:24 AM |
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wrote:
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city revered by
three of worlds major religions . This parade belongs in Tel Aviv
Those who regard homosexuality as an obscenity should find it very
appropriate that the parade will be held in Jerusalem. The city of
Jerusalem is held sacred by three of the most disgusting perversions
that have ever afflicted humankind: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
29 Jun 2006 02:03:59 AM |
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On 29-Jun-2006, "Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city revered
by
three of worlds major religions . This parade belongs in Tel Aviv
Those who regard homosexuality as an obscenity should find it very
appropriate that the parade will be held in Jerusalem. The city of
Jerusalem is held sacred by three of the most disgusting perversions
that have ever afflicted humankind: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Interestingly enough, I know a Orthodox lesbian* who wants the parade
out of Jerusalem.
And the reason is because she knows the parade will have overt dsplays
of physical affection of which she cannot approve.
It's a fun, fun world....
Susan
* Judaism does NOT condemn homosexuality, just specific acts!
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
05 Jul 2006 10:19:11 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:03:59 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
On 29-Jun-2006, "Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
There is no need to hold this most sacrilegious event in a city revered
by
three of worlds major religions . This parade belongs in Tel Aviv
Those who regard homosexuality as an obscenity should find it very
appropriate that the parade will be held in Jerusalem. The city of
Jerusalem is held sacred by three of the most disgusting perversions
that have ever afflicted humankind: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Interestingly enough, I know a Orthodox lesbian* who wants the parade
out of Jerusalem.
And the reason is because she knows the parade will have overt dsplays
of physical affection of which she cannot approve.
She has a problem with two people (of whatever mix/sex) holding hands or
kissing in public?
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
05 Jul 2006 11:20:14 PM |
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On 5-Jul-2006, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:03:59 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
Interestingly enough, I know a Orthodox *lesbian* who wants the parade
out of Jerusalem.
And the reason is because she knows the parade will have overt dsplays
of physical affection of which she cannot approve.
She has a problem with two people (of whatever mix/sex) holding hands or
kissing in public?
Holding hands? I'm not sure - I don't think so.
Probably against more than a peck on the cheek, I think
(I haven't bothered to ask, I *am* guessing*).
Some people are very strict and think that sex is a private matter.
Yes, they have a broader range of "sex" and "private" than most people.
I figure that's a harmless enough belief, especailly if they never get the
chance to impose it oin everyone else.
Susan
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
08 Jul 2006 05:51:36 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:20:14 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
On 5-Jul-2006, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:03:59 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
Interestingly enough, I know a Orthodox *lesbian* who wants the parade
out of Jerusalem.
And the reason is because she knows the parade will have overt dsplays
of physical affection of which she cannot approve.
She has a problem with two people (of whatever mix/sex) holding hands or
kissing in public?
Holding hands? I'm not sure - I don't think so.
Probably against more than a peck on the cheek, I think
(I haven't bothered to ask, I *am* guessing*).
Some people are very strict and think that sex is a private matter.
Yes, they have a broader range of "sex" and "private" than most people.
I figure that's a harmless enough belief, especailly if they never get the
chance to impose it oin everyone else.
No argument. I was curious.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
09 Jul 2006 10:15:31 AM |
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On 8-Jul-2006, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:20:14 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
On 5-Jul-2006, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:03:59 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
Interestingly enough, I know a Orthodox *lesbian* who wants the parade
out of Jerusalem.
And the reason is because she knows the parade will have overt dsplays
of physical affection of which she cannot approve.
She has a problem with two people (of whatever mix/sex) holding hands
or
kissing in public?
Holding hands? I'm not sure - I don't think so.
Probably against more than a peck on the cheek, I think
(I haven't bothered to ask, I *am* guessing*).
Some people are very strict and think that sex is a private matter.
Yes, they have a broader range of "sex" and "private" than most people.
I figure that's a harmless enough belief, especailly if they never get
the
chance to impose it on everyone else.
No argument. I was curious.
I didn't think you were arguing - and I was just trying to give a full
answer.
Susan
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| User: "Zeligg" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
06 Jul 2006 04:39:55 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:20:14 GMT, wrote:
On 5-Jul-2006, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:03:59 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
Interestingly enough, I know a Orthodox *lesbian* who wants the parade
out of Jerusalem.
And the reason is because she knows the parade will have overt dsplays
of physical affection of which she cannot approve.
She has a problem with two people (of whatever mix/sex) holding hands or
kissing in public?
Holding hands? I'm not sure - I don't think so.
Probably against more than a peck on the cheek, I think
(I haven't bothered to ask, I *am* guessing*).
Some people are very strict and think that sex is a private matter.
Yes, they have a broader range of "sex" and "private" than most people.
I figure that's a harmless enough belief, especailly if they never get the
chance to impose it oin everyone else.
Susan
Susan! Always nice to see (read) you! Pardon my ignorance, but isn't
being Orthodox and a lesbian a contradiction? I know a Rabbi who is
homosexual, but he belongs to a fairly relaxed Synagogue. I thought
Orthodox jews were pretty strict in their religion.
Zeligg
"For anyone who finds it odd that a smut peddler
would presume to speak on political matters,
let me say that I am not a pornographer trying
to rise to the level of politics.
...it is the attack-dog politics of the radical
conservative that has descended to the level of porn."
Larry Flynt
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
07 Jul 2006 05:44:58 AM |
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(minor snips follow)
On 6-Jul-2006, Zeligg <zeligg@guessagain.com> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:20:14 GMT, wrote:
On 5-Jul-2006, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
She has a problem with two people (of whatever mix/sex) holding hands
or
kissing in public?
Holding hands? I'm not sure - I don't think so.
Probably against more than a peck on the cheek, I think
(I haven't bothered to ask, I *am* guessing*).
Susan! Always nice to see (read) you!
Thank you!
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't
being Orthodox and a lesbian a contradiction?
One would think so, but ---
I know a Rabbi who is
homosexual, but he belongs to a fairly relaxed Synagogue. I thought
Orthodox jews were pretty strict in their religion.
--- the truth is that Judaism does nto *condemn* homosexuality, per se.
The facts are that while marriage is for one man & one woman, homosexuality
itself is not against the law - but certain, specific acts are. The famous
one in
Leviticus is a prhibition on men - it just so happens that gay men are more
prone to that act. There is a prohibition on women, but since I am not 100%
sure what exactly it is, I won't say what I think it might be. But it is
acts, alone
that are prihibited, not orientation. The situation of the lady I described,
for
example, is admittedly (readily so) not desired, but neither is it
prohibited.
Susan
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Christian groups slam Jerusalem gay parade |
07 Jul 2006 08:40:02 AM |
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wrote:
(minor snips follow)
On 6-Jul-2006, Zeligg <zeligg@guessagain.com> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:20:14 GMT, wrote:
On 5-Jul-2006, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
She has a problem with two people (of whatever mix/sex) holding hands
or
kissing in public?
Holding hands? I'm not sure - I don't think so.
Probably against more than a peck on the cheek, I think
(I haven't bothered to ask, I *am* guessing*).
Susan! Always nice to see (read) you!
Thank you!
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't
being Orthodox and a lesbian a contradiction?
One would think so, but ---
I know a Rabbi who is
homosexual, but he belongs to a fairly relaxed Synagogue. I thought
Orthodox jews were pretty strict in their religion.
--- the truth is that Judaism does nto *condemn* homosexuality, per se.
The facts are that while marriage is for one man & one woman, homosexuality
itself is not against the law - but certain, specific acts are. The famous
one in
Leviticus is a prhibition on men - it just so happens that gay men are more
prone to that act.
True, but anal sex is prohibited between a man and a woman also. It is
the act of anal sex that is prohibited, not the gender of the people
doing it.
There is a prohibition on women, but since I am not 100%
sure what exactly it is, I won't say what I think it might be. But it is
acts, alone
that are prihibited, not orientation. The situation of the lady I described,
for
example, is admittedly (readily so) not desired, but neither is it
prohibited.
Susan
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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