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User:	"J Young"
Date:	21 Oct 2006 10:04:34 PM
Object:	Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks call for
anti-discrimination law
A Houston landscaping company is under fire for turning down a job because
its Christian owners have a policy of not working for homosexual customers -
a decision that has spurred calls for a boycott and an anti-discrimination
ordinance that would prevent them from selecting clients based on sexual
orientation.
Todd and Sabrina Farber have owned and operated The Garden Guy since 1991
and, like other landscape contractors, use the Internet to show the quality
of their past work and to solicit future business.
The Garden Guy was just one of the landscaping businesses Michael Lordand
Gary Lackey, a homosexual couple who has been together for nine years,
requested bids from earlier this week for the new home they're building in
Houston Heights. Lord said he found The Garden Guy through an Internet
search and liked the "before and after" pictures on the website.
"We sent e-mails to several local landscaping companies asking for quotes.
Garden Guy called Michael back saying they would like to bid," Lackey told
the Houston Voice. Lord called the company Wednesday morning to set up an
appointment.
"Michael was asked if 'his wife would be home' when the consultation would
take place. He brushed it off, but when he was asked again if his wife would
be joining, Michael said, "No, but my partner Gary will be.'
"Michael set up the appointment, but a few minutes later we got the e-mail."
That e-mail has now become the subject of a nationwide online debate.
Subject: Cancel Appt - Garden Guy
Dear Mr. Lord,
I am appreciative of your time on the phone today and glad you contacted
us. I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we choose not to
work for homosexuals.
Best of luck in finding someone else to fill your landscaping needs.
All my best,
Sabrina
Todd and Sabrina Farber
Owners, Garden Guy, Inc.
After receiving the e-mail, Lord called Lackey.
"He was in shock," Lackey said. "We just couldn't believe that had
happened."
Lackey forwarded the e-mail to about 200 of his friends, asking that they
not patronize Garden Guy in the future.
Had Lord looked more closely he would have seen that the Farbers were very
upfront with their faith. Beneath a photo of the couple and their four
children, the Farbers wrote:
The God-ordained institution of marriage is under attack in courts across
the nation, and your help is needed.
Go to: www.nogaymarriage.com to take action.
Ephesians 5:8 (Amplified Bible)
... For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as
children of Light and lead the lives of those native-born to the Light.
That stance shortly became the topic of discussion online and in the
homosexual press. The Farbers quickly set up a forum on their website but it
was taken down Thursday, possible because of the crude language of some
posters.
"I am embarrassed for you and your husband," wrote "Chris." "Just as you
choose not to do business with us, I, my friends, my family, my co-workers
and everyone I meet, will not do business with you! I have sent your e-mail
to over 50 people I know and work with. These people know 50 others each ...
was your bigotry worth it?"
Some critics noted that the Garden Guy website stated that the business was
a member of the Association of Professional Landscape Designers, a claim
disputed by the trade organization's president in a statement criticizing
the Farbers.
Amid the threats of boycotts and criticism of the Farber's faith, one poster
found the angry messages to be the problem:
"There is more hate in these posts than in the original e-mail," wrote
"Dave." "Why do you feel that we Christians MUST accept you? Don't you find
it ironic that while you demand in one breath that we give up our position
that homosexuality is a sin worthy of hell, that you condemn us to that very
place in your next?"
And while they've refused to talk with the media, the Farbers issued a
public explanation for their decision:
To the Houston media
We did not refuse service with malicious intent. We do not hate
homosexuals and we are sorry that we hurt Michael Lord and Gary Lackey. We
meant to uphold our right as a small business owner to choose who our
clients are. We are humbly sorry for the hurt that it has caused.
Respectfully,
Todd and Sabrina Farber
That may not be enough, though. Some in the homosexual community are angry
that what the Farbers did was not illegal.
"That's the biggest issue. This is not against the law and that is a
travesty," Jerry Simoneaux, an attorney who specializes in homosexual issues
told Houston's KHOU-TV.
He noted other cities like Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth and El Paso have
adopted ordinances that would prohibit similar discrimination.
"We need something like that in Houston, but we don't have it," said
Simoneaux.
The response to the Farber's decision has not been universally negative.
The American Family Association issued a statement defending their business
decision, saying, "Todd, like millions of Americans, obviously has a moral
conviction based on his religious beliefs against homosexual behavior and
that lifestyle. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that."
Lord and Lackey say they have received "lots of offers and recommendations"
for a new landscaper.
Both men are listed as "hosts" for the homosexual group Bunnies on the
Bayou, a Texas 501(c)3 charity that raises money for AIDS-related
organizations and art groups. Bunnies was selected to serve as organization
grand marshal for the 2006 Houston Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender
Pride Parade.
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J Y�ung
youngopinions@aol.com
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User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	26 Oct 2006 12:23:15 PM

<bibon@r�lant.org> wrote:

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:

All that said does not allow me to force involuntary servitude upon persons
who do not wish to perform a service.

A service such as gestation and childbirth.

Where would you be without it?

Stop asking stupid questions, bigot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "Douglas Berry"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	25 Oct 2006 07:55:20 PM

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:46:15 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism and
I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...

All that said does not allow me to force involuntary servitude upon persons
who do not wish to perform a service.

If that is how you feel, then I suggest that you avoid any line of
work that places you in contact with the public.

This business isn't a bonded public service such as a governmental agency.
It would seem much more practical to me to acquire the services from another
contractor and not to raise the ire of suspicion upon those who assume they
can sue because someone does not want to labor for them.

The landscapers are violating the law.

How do all these California laws ensure that people are entitled to personal
autonomy with regard to their businesses and possessions in light of the
Constitutional provisions?

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or Catholics,
don't open a business offering a public service in this state.
You can hate Asians. You can rant about how awful Asians are, glare
at them on the street, and refuse to eat in a diner if Asians are
working there.
If you own a gas station, you cannot refuse service to Asians, or
refuse to hire a qualified applicant soley due to her race.

Many persons would dislike their government even more if a lawsuit were
allowed to proceed against this business owner to award non-incurred damages
to the persons who were seeking their services.
I do not see where any real damages were suffered other than a potential
loss of revenue by the business owners.

Discrimination is harm. That's been an established legal principle
for years.

Having your feelings hurt or taking offense to those who are not compliant
with serving gays, such as this case shows, is not sufficient grounds to
sue.

The court seems to disagree.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.

User: "John D.Wentzky"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	25 Oct 2006 08:35:25 PM

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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All that said does not allow me to force involuntary servitude upon
persons
who do not wish to perform a service.

If that is how you feel, then I suggest that you avoid any line of
work that places you in contact with the public.

This business isn't a bonded public service such as a governmental agency.
It would seem much more practical to me to acquire the services from
another
contractor and not to raise the ire of suspicion upon those who assume
they
can sue because someone does not want to labor for them.

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to perform
involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

How do all these California laws ensure that people are entitled to
personal
autonomy with regard to their businesses and possessions in light of the
Constitutional provisions?

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or Catholics,
don't open a business offering a public service in this state.

How is this a public service business?
It is a private business enterprise.
It isn't a publicly owned corporation or a public entity.

You can hate Asians.

Because you do?

You can rant about how awful Asians are,

Why? Are they not working?

glare at them on the street, and refuse to eat in a diner if Asians are
working there.

Did they boycott the USA as the mexicans did?
Or, are you speaking of Kim Jong.

If you own a gas station, you cannot refuse service to Asians, or
refuse to hire a qualified applicant soley due to her race.

Who said I would?
Gasoline distribution is very similar to utility operations; but, there are
stll private interests to consider.
Most all of them bear a public corporate logo now, correct?

Many persons would dislike their government even more if a lawsuit were
allowed to proceed against this business owner to award non-incurred
damages
to the persons who were seeking their services.
I do not see where any real damages were suffered other than a potential
loss of revenue by the business owners.

Discrimination is harm.

If you can not demonstrate real harm your case is without merit.

That's been an established legal principle
for years.

Don't you really mean that your feelings were hurt or that you refuse to
allow persons to refuse to perform labor for you at your demand?

Having your feelings hurt or taking offense to those who are not compliant
with serving gays, such as this case shows, is not sufficient grounds to
sue.

The court seems to disagree.

Why don't you try to view this from the perspective of the private business
owner?
How often do you want to seem as if you support forcing people to labor for
you?

--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

User: "Douglas Berry"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	26 Oct 2006 06:42:58 PM

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism and
I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to perform
involuntary servitude?

Unless you can show that they were forced to enter the landscaping
business, are not compensated for their work, and are unable to leave
the job of their own will, they are not slaves or in any other form of
servitude.

Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or Catholics,
don't open a business offering a public service in this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public. They advertise,
and accept business "off the street." If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments, or
industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But
they don't.

It is a private business enterprise.
It isn't a publicly owned corporation or a public entity.

Again, your ignorance of the law shows. They are a private company
serving the general public. As such, they are subject to
anti-discrimination laws.

You can hate Asians.

Because you do?

It's called a hypothetical, idiot. I'm speaking in general terms to
make a point.

You can rant about how awful Asians are,
glare at them on the street, and refuse to eat in a diner if Asians are
working there.

Did they boycott the USA as the mexicans did?

Gosh, a one day boycott. Most of the Latinos I work with thought the
entire event was stupid.

Or, are you speaking of Kim Jong.

Kim Jon Il. Get the name right.

If you own a gas station, you cannot refuse service to Asians, or
refuse to hire a qualified applicant soley due to her race.

Who said I would?

Again, speaking in generalities.

Gasoline distribution is very similar to utility operations; but, there are
stll private interests to consider.
Most all of them bear a public corporate logo now, correct?

So?

Discrimination is harm.

If you can not demonstrate real harm your case is without merit.

Never heard of emotional distress? Worth millions in court.

That's been an established legal principle
for years.

Don't you really mean that your feelings were hurt or that you refuse to
allow persons to refuse to perform labor for you at your demand?

That made no sense whatsoever.

The court seems to disagree.

Why don't you try to view this from the perspective of the private business
owner?

OK. Having worked for my father's travel agency as a teenager, I can
relate.

How often do you want to seem as if you support forcing people to labor for
you?

Every single day if I want to succeed. I drive a truck, delivering
construction materials. There are a couple of sites that I hate going
to because the workers are assholes. If I refuse to deliver there, I
get fired.
If you worked for me in any capacity, and refused to do your job
because the clients were gay, I'd fire you so fast your head would
spin. Had word of this leaked to the clients somehow, I'd apologize to
them, and offer them an incentive to remain my client. Because their
money pays my bills. As a business owner, I cannot ***** off clients
because I may not agree with their lifestyle. The only reason I'd
drop a client is non-payment or abuse of my staff.
As my employee, I pay you to do your job. Not to express your
prejudices. If you cannot do your job, get out. My father fired an
agent in front of the client after she refused to book their Hajj trip
to Mecca because she hated Muslims. My father, an Anglican to the
core, not only fired the woman, he personally booked the trips and
used some of his favors to get upgrades in their flights and hotels
along the way. Those two clients went away happy, and told their
firends and coworkers about their experience. Brought in a load of
business to the agency.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.

User: "Dana"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	26 Oct 2006 06:54:13 PM

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to perform
involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or Catholics,
don't open a business offering a public service in this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments, or
industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But
they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do not have to
hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with them.

It is a private business enterprise.
It isn't a publicly owned corporation or a public entity.

Again, your ignorance of the law shows. They are a private company
serving the general public. As such, they are subject to
anti-discrimination laws.

Wrong. As a private company they can engage in business with whomever they
want, if they want to exclude hippies, people with piercings or gays that is
their decision.
And as an aisde homosexulas are not a protected class like blacks are, hence
they really have no legal standing.
.

User: "No One"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	27 Oct 2006 12:29:57 AM

"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> writes:

And as an aisde homosexulas are not a protected class like blacks
are, hence they really have no legal standing.

That depends on where you live. In California, gays are protected
just as blacks are. See Section 51 of the Civil Code. I posted
it a while ago. Read what it says.
While the Unruh Civil Rights Law was passed in the late 1950s,
it was subsequently updated to include sexual orientation as one
of the characteristics you cannot discriminate against.
.

User: "Juanjo"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	29 Oct 2006 02:23:50 AM

"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12k2iig7bq8bl62@corp.supernews.com...

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They are but they offer their services to the general public. By doing so
they are bound by the laws in whatever jurisdiction they live in.

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

Absolutely true but if you offer your services to the general public, you
cannot refure those services to someone based upon certain catagories. This
varies somewhaht from state to state and if they do business interstate. In
general if you offer services to the general public you cannot discriminate
on the basis of race, religion, gender, national origin, ethinicity and in
many states, sexual orientation.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments, or
industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But
they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do not have
to
hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with them.

In many states, the refusal to do so would be cause for lawsuits against
you. Just as if you refused because they were Baptists or Asians.

It is a private business enterprise.
It isn't a publicly owned corporation or a public entity.

Again, your ignorance of the law shows. They are a private company
serving the general public. As such, they are subject to
anti-discrimination laws.

Wrong. As a private company they can engage in business with whomever
they
want, if they want to exclude hippies, people with piercings or gays that
is
their decision.
And as an aisde homosexulas are not a protected class like blacks are,
hence
they really have no legal standing.

Again the issue of who you can discriminate against is based upon the law of
the state you live in and often federal law. In many states, you could be
sued for refusing to serve someone who was gay or hiring someone who is gay.
More to the point, why would someone who is trying to make a profit, refuse
services to a class of people simply because of perceived inadequacies of
that class? A gay person's money is as green as a white person's or a
heterosexual person's.
.

User: "Mike Painter"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	26 Oct 2006 09:06:52 PM

Dana wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:b5h2k2dr6u8ui1jqv2a85fcf654i8smee9@4ax.com...

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism
and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to perform
involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or Catholics,
don't open a business offering a public service in this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments, or
industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But
they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do not
have to hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with them.

You certainly don't. The civil and criminal charges should not bother you at
all.

It is a private business enterprise.
It isn't a publicly owned corporation or a public entity.

Again, your ignorance of the law shows. They are a private company
serving the general public. As such, they are subject to
anti-discrimination laws.

Wrong. As a private company they can engage in business with
whomever they want, if they want to exclude hippies, people with
piercings or gays that is their decision.
And as an aisde homosexulas are not a protected class like blacks
are, hence they really have no legal standing.

Right, sexual preference isn't mentioned in any of the documents dealing
with such action.
You would have done well in Little Rock.
.

User: "Dana"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	26 Oct 2006 09:19:40 PM

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Dana wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism
and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to perform
involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or Catholics,
don't open a business offering a public service in this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments, or
industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But
they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do not
have to hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with them.

You certainly don't. The civil and criminal charges should not bother you

all.

There would be neither criminal or civil charges.

It is a private business enterprise.
It isn't a publicly owned corporation or a public entity.

Again, your ignorance of the law shows. They are a private company
serving the general public. As such, they are subject to
anti-discrimination laws.

Wrong. As a private company they can engage in business with
whomever they want, if they want to exclude hippies, people with
piercings or gays that is their decision.
And as an aisde homosexulas are not a protected class like blacks
are, hence they really have no legal standing.

Right

I know.
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	26 Oct 2006 09:22:12 PM

--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one,
he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
� Thomas Jefferson
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Dana wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism
and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to perform
involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or Catholics,
don't open a business offering a public service in this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments, or
industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But
they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do not
have to hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with them.

You certainly don't. The civil and criminal charges should not bother you

all.

There would be neither criminal or civil charges.

That should be easy to prove. Start a business and turn away whoever you
hate most.
.

User: "Dana"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	26 Oct 2006 10:01:18 PM

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one,
he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
- Thomas Jefferson

In context it means so much more.
Religion. Your reason is now mature enough to examine this object. In the
first place, divest yourself of all bias in favor of novelty & singularity
of opinion. Indulge them in any other subject rather than that of religion.
It is too important, and the consequences of error may be too serious. On
the other hand, shake off all the fears & servile prejudices, under which
weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call
to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the
homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. You will naturally examine
first, the religion of your own country. Read the Bible, then as you would
read Livy or Tacitus. The facts which are within the ordinary course of
nature, you will believe on the authority of the writer, as you do those of
the same kind in Livy & Tacitus. The testimony of the writer weighs in their
favor, in one scale, and their not being against the laws of nature, does
not weigh against them. But those facts in the Bible which contradict the
laws of nature, must be examined with more care, and under a variety of
faces. Here you must recur to the pretensions of the writer to inspiration
from God. Examine upon what evidence his pretensions are founded, and
whether that evidence is so strong, as that its falsehood would be more
improbable than a change in the laws of nature, in the case he relates. For
example, in the book of Joshua, we are told, the sun stood still several
hours. Were we to read that fact in Livy or Tacitus, we should class it with
their showers of blood, speaking of statues, beasts, &c. But it is said,
that the writer of that book was inspired. Examine, therefore, candidly,
what evidence there is of his having been inspired. The pretension is
entitled to your inquiry, because millions believe it. On the other hand,
you are astronomer enough to know how contrary it is to the law of nature
that a body revolving on its axis, as the earth does, should have stopped,
should not, by that sudden stoppage, have prostrated animals, trees,
buildings, and should after a certain time gave resumed its revolution, &
that without a second general prostration. Is this arrest of the earth's
motion, or the evidence which affirms it, most within the law of
probabilities? You will next read the New Testament. It is the history of a
personage called Jesus. Keep in your eye the opposite pretensions: 1, of
those who say he was begotten by God, born of a virgin, suspended & reversed
the laws of nature at will, & ascended bodily into heaven; and 2, of those
who say he was a man of illegitimate birth, of a benevolent heart,
enthusiastic mind, who set out without pretensions to divinity, ended in
believing them, and was punished capitally for sedition, by being gibbeted,
according to the Roman law, which punished the first commission of that
offence by whipping, & the second by exile, or death in fure�. See this law
in the Digest Lib. 48. tit. 19. �. 28. 3. & Lipsius Lib 2. de cruce. cap. 2.
These questions are examined in the books I have mentioned under the head of
religion, & several others. They will assist you in your inquiries, but keep
your reason firmly on the watch in reading them all.
Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.
If it ends in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to
virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise, and the
love of others which it will procure you. If you find reason to believe
there is a God, a consciousness that you are acting under his eye, & that he
approves you, will be a vast additional incitement; if that there be a
future state, the hope of a happy existence in that increases the appetite
to deserve it; if that Jesus was also a God, you will be comforted by a
belief of his aid and love. In fine, I repeat, you must lay aside all
prejudice on both sides, and neither believe nor reject anything, because
any other persons, or description of persons, have rejected or believed it.
Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are
answerable, not for the rightness, but uprightness of the decision. I forgot
to observe, when speaking of the New Testament, that you should read all the
histories of Christ, as well of those whom a council of ecclesiastics have
decided for us, to be Pseudo-evangelists, as those they named Evangelists.
Because these Pseudo-evangelists pretended to inspiration, as much as the
others, and you are to judge their pretensions by your own reason, and not
by the reason of those ecclesiastics. Most of these are lost. There are
some, however, still extant, collected by Fabricius, which I will endeavor
to get & send you.
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	26 Oct 2006 10:02:42 PM

In News 12k2th8t9i39ld9@corp.supernews.com,, Dana at raff242@yahoo.com,
typed this:

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson

In context it means so much more.

What does this have to do with what was being discussed?
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. � Thomas Jefferson
.

User: "John D.Wentzky"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	27 Oct 2006 01:16:56 AM

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:o3e0h.382$zf.4@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...

--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one,
he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
- Thomas Jefferson
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Dana wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism
and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to perform
involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or Catholics,
don't open a business offering a public service in this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments, or
industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But
they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do not
have to hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with them.

You certainly don't. The civil and criminal charges should not bother
you

all.

There would be neither criminal or civil charges.

That should be easy to prove. Start a business and turn away whoever you
hate most.

Any business owner is free to close their doors.
What you going to do when the majority boycotts all the complaining
'minority' interests?
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	27 Oct 2006 05:28:49 AM

In News fvh0h.46872$vi3.19595@bignews3.bellsouth.net,, John D.Wentzky at
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12k2r36ct07ga88@corp.supernews.com...

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0Rd0h.16436$GR.5809@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...

Dana wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:b5h2k2dr6u8ui1jqv2a85fcf654i8smee9@4ax.com...

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in
alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas
singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to
perform involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or
Catholics, don't open a business offering a public service in
this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments, or
industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But
they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do
not have to hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with
them.

You certainly don't. The civil and criminal charges should not
bother you

all.

There would be neither criminal or civil charges.

That should be easy to prove. Start a business and turn away
whoever you hate most.

Any business owner is free to close their doors.

Of course, as I have stated before, if the only choice their pea-brains can
understand is to discriminate or go out of business, then good riddance.

What you going to do when the majority boycotts all the complaining
'minority' interests?

Well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Bigots always think
they have a majority though, but their threatened boycotts rarely, if ever,
carries any real threat.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. � Thomas Jefferson
.

User: "John D.Wentzky"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	27 Oct 2006 10:55:21 PM

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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In News fvh0h.46872$vi3.19595@bignews3.bellsouth.net,, John D.Wentzky at
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12k2r36ct07ga88@corp.supernews.com...

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0Rd0h.16436$GR.5809@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...

Dana wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:b5h2k2dr6u8ui1jqv2a85fcf654i8smee9@4ax.com...

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in
alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas
singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to
perform involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or
Catholics, don't open a business offering a public service in
this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments, or
industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But
they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do
not have to hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with
them.

You certainly don't. The civil and criminal charges should not
bother you

all.

There would be neither criminal or civil charges.

That should be easy to prove. Start a business and turn away
whoever you hate most.

Any business owner is free to close their doors.

Of course, as I have stated before,

I do not care what you state at this point or what you have stated.

if the only choice their pea-brains can understand is to discriminate or
go out of business, then good riddance.

Pea-braijed? Just because your australopithecan, neanderthal, tyronnasaurus
lazy ***** can't understand what involuntary servitude means does not mke
anyone anywhere at any time perform any task you want them to perform for
you.

What you going to do when the majority boycotts all the complaining
'minority' interests?

Well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

I'll cross it when I want to cross it.
And, what is this "we" crap?
Who are you to transgress the rights of the people of the USA?
Bigots always think

they have a majority though,

You are the bigot though.
When will you learn that?

but their threatened boycotts rarely, if ever, carries any real threat.

Nah.
The majority can trounce any minority interest in concert via perfectly
legal means.
When will you stop rebelling?
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	28 Oct 2006 06:54:30 AM

In News vwA0h.76214$zF5.31722@bignews1.bellsouth.net,, John D.Wentzky at
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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In News fvh0h.46872$vi3.19595@bignews3.bellsouth.net,, John
D.Wentzky at johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu, typed this:

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:o3e0h.382$zf.4@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...

--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12k2r36ct07ga88@corp.supernews.com...

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0Rd0h.16436$GR.5809@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...

Dana wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:b5h2k2dr6u8ui1jqv2a85fcf654i8smee9@4ax.com...

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in
alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas
singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to
perform involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or
Catholics, don't open a business offering a public service in
this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments,
or industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this
discussion. But they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do
not have to hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with
them.

You certainly don't. The civil and criminal charges should not
bother you

all.

There would be neither criminal or civil charges.

That should be easy to prove. Start a business and turn away
whoever you hate most.

Any business owner is free to close their doors.

Of course, as I have stated before,

I do not care what you state at this point or what you have stated.

Then why do you repeat what I have stated? Are you really that stupid,
village idiot?

if the only choice their pea-brains can understand is to
discriminate or go out of business, then good riddance.

Pea-braijed?

No, pea-brained, please try to follow along, village idiot.
Just because your australopithecan, neanderthal,

tyronnasaurus lazy *****

LOL! You should try not to use words you obviously do not understand, nor
know how to spell.

can't understand what involuntary servitude

Meaningless rhetoric, since there is no involuntary servitude involved.

What you going to do when the majority boycotts all the complaining
'minority' interests?

Well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

I'll cross it when I want to cross it.

LOL! So you admit that you're too much of a coward to start such a boycott.
So noted.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. � Thomas Jefferson
.

User: "John D.Wentzky"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	29 Oct 2006 10:03:05 AM

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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In News vwA0h.76214$zF5.31722@bignews1.bellsouth.net,, John D.Wentzky at
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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In News fvh0h.46872$vi3.19595@bignews3.bellsouth.net,, John
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12k2r36ct07ga88@corp.supernews.com...

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0Rd0h.16436$GR.5809@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...

Dana wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:b5h2k2dr6u8ui1jqv2a85fcf654i8smee9@4ax.com...

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in
alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas
singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to
perform involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or
Catholics, don't open a business offering a public service in
this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments,
or industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this
discussion. But they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I do
not have to hire them, nor do I have to engage in business with
them.

You certainly don't. The civil and criminal charges should not
bother you

all.

There would be neither criminal or civil charges.

That should be easy to prove. Start a business and turn away
whoever you hate most.

Any business owner is free to close their doors.

Of course, as I have stated before,

I do not care what you state at this point or what you have stated.

Then why do you repeat what I have stated? Are you really that stupid,
village idiot?

if the only choice their pea-brains can understand is to
discriminate or go out of business, then good riddance.

Pea-brained?

No, pea-brained, please try to follow along, village idiot.

Just because your australopithecan, neanderthal,

tyrannosaurus lazy *****

LOL! You should try not to use words you obviously do not understand, nor
know how to spell.

I know how to spell. This laptop keyboard is quite difficult.

can't understand what involuntary servitude

Meaningless rhetoric, since there is no involuntary servitude involved.

What you going to do when the majority boycotts all the complaining
'minority' interests?

Well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

I'll cross it when I want to cross it.

LOL! So you admit that you're too much of a coward to start such a
boycott. So noted.

Dude.
I have yet to vsit any mexican or hispanic business since they boycotted the
USA.
When will you stand up for the USA instead of deriding it and its laws and
citizens?

--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	29 Oct 2006 10:39:26 AM

In News Lg41h.8219$N4.267@bignews5.bellsouth.net,, John D.Wentzky at
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In News vwA0h.76214$zF5.31722@bignews1.bellsouth.net,, John
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12k2r36ct07ga88@corp.supernews.com...

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Dana wrote:

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:b5h2k2dr6u8ui1jqv2a85fcf654i8smee9@4ax.com...

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:35:25 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in
alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000
Chinchillas singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message news:ob10k2lrvv2mt5s1dd0m7jt93q5f8hlcs3@4ax.com...

The landscapers are violating the law.

Which law are they violating that ensures their right not to
perform involuntary servitude?
Methinks your accusation is out of line with the
Constitution.

Your grasp of the Constitution and law is less than stellar.

Simple. If you cannot deal with gays, or Mexicans, or
Catholics, don't open a business offering a public service
in this state.

How is this a public service business?

Because they offer a service to the general public.

They are a private company

They advertise,
and accept business "off the street."

Yep, and it is their decision what business to accept.

If they limited themselves to
corporate contracts only (like for entire condo developments,
or industrial parks) then we wouldn't be having this
discussion. But they don't.

Has nothing to do with it.
If I do not want homosexuals in my restaurant or business, I
do not have to hire them, nor do I have to engage in business
with them.

You certainly don't. The civil and criminal charges should not
bother you

all.

There would be neither criminal or civil charges.

That should be easy to prove. Start a business and turn away
whoever you hate most.

Any business owner is free to close their doors.

Of course, as I have stated before,

I do not care what you state at this point or what you have stated.

Then why do you repeat what I have stated? Are you really that
stupid, village idiot?

if the only choice their pea-brains can understand is to
discriminate or go out of business, then good riddance.

Pea-brained?

No, pea-brained, please try to follow along, village idiot.

Just because your australopithecan, neanderthal,

tyrannosaurus lazy *****

LOL! You should try not to use words you obviously do not
understand, nor know how to spell.

I know how to spell. This laptop keyboard is quite difficult.

I think it has more to do with you being a village idiot. Did you ever
find out what happened in 1066?

can't understand what involuntary servitude

Meaningless rhetoric, since there is no involuntary servitude
involved.

What you going to do when the majority boycotts all the
complaining 'minority' interests?

Well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

I'll cross it when I want to cross it.

LOL! So you admit that you're too much of a coward to start such a
boycott. So noted.

Dude.
I have yet to vsit any mexican or hispanic business since they
boycotted the USA.
When will you stand up for the USA instead of deriding it and its
laws and citizens?

LOL! I stand up for the USA far more than a village idiot like you will, or
ever understand.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. � Thomas Jefferson
.

User: "John D.Wentzky"
Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients	29 Oct 2006 12:24:26 PM

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