Religions > Atheism > Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients
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Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients |
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks call for
anti-discrimination law
A Houston landscaping company is under fire for turning down a job because
its Christian owners have a policy of not working for homosexual customers -
a decision that has spurred calls for a boycott and an anti-discrimination
ordinance that would prevent them from selecting clients based on sexual
orientation.
Todd and Sabrina Farber have owned and operated The Garden Guy since 1991
and, like other landscape contractors, use the Internet to show the quality
of their past work and to solicit future business.
The Garden Guy was just one of the landscaping businesses Michael Lordand
Gary Lackey, a homosexual couple who has been together for nine years,
requested bids from earlier this week for the new home they're building in
Houston Heights. Lord said he found The Garden Guy through an Internet
search and liked the "before and after" pictures on the website.
"We sent e-mails to several local landscaping companies asking for quotes.
Garden Guy called Michael back saying they would like to bid," Lackey told
the Houston Voice. Lord called the company Wednesday morning to set up an
appointment.
"Michael was asked if 'his wife would be home' when the consultation would
take place. He brushed it off, but when he was asked again if his wife would
be joining, Michael said, "No, but my partner Gary will be.'
"Michael set up the appointment, but a few minutes later we got the e-mail."
That e-mail has now become the subject of a nationwide online debate.
Subject: Cancel Appt - Garden Guy
Dear Mr. Lord,
I am appreciative of your time on the phone today and glad you contacted
us. I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we choose not to
work for homosexuals.
Best of luck in finding someone else to fill your landscaping needs.
All my best,
Sabrina
Todd and Sabrina Farber
Owners, Garden Guy, Inc.
After receiving the e-mail, Lord called Lackey.
"He was in shock," Lackey said. "We just couldn't believe that had
happened."
Lackey forwarded the e-mail to about 200 of his friends, asking that they
not patronize Garden Guy in the future.
Had Lord looked more closely he would have seen that the Farbers were very
upfront with their faith. Beneath a photo of the couple and their four
children, the Farbers wrote:
The God-ordained institution of marriage is under attack in courts across
the nation, and your help is needed.
Go to: www.nogaymarriage.com to take action.
Ephesians 5:8 (Amplified Bible)
... For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as
children of Light and lead the lives of those native-born to the Light.
That stance shortly became the topic of discussion online and in the
homosexual press. The Farbers quickly set up a forum on their website but it
was taken down Thursday, possible because of the crude language of some
posters.
"I am embarrassed for you and your husband," wrote "Chris." "Just as you
choose not to do business with us, I, my friends, my family, my co-workers
and everyone I meet, will not do business with you! I have sent your e-mail
to over 50 people I know and work with. These people know 50 others each ...
was your bigotry worth it?"
Some critics noted that the Garden Guy website stated that the business was
a member of the Association of Professional Landscape Designers, a claim
disputed by the trade organization's president in a statement criticizing
the Farbers.
Amid the threats of boycotts and criticism of the Farber's faith, one poster
found the angry messages to be the problem:
"There is more hate in these posts than in the original e-mail," wrote
"Dave." "Why do you feel that we Christians MUST accept you? Don't you find
it ironic that while you demand in one breath that we give up our position
that homosexuality is a sin worthy of hell, that you condemn us to that very
place in your next?"
And while they've refused to talk with the media, the Farbers issued a
public explanation for their decision:
To the Houston media
We did not refuse service with malicious intent. We do not hate
homosexuals and we are sorry that we hurt Michael Lord and Gary Lackey. We
meant to uphold our right as a small business owner to choose who our
clients are. We are humbly sorry for the hurt that it has caused.
Respectfully,
Todd and Sabrina Farber
That may not be enough, though. Some in the homosexual community are angry
that what the Farbers did was not illegal.
"That's the biggest issue. This is not against the law and that is a
travesty," Jerry Simoneaux, an attorney who specializes in homosexual issues
told Houston's KHOU-TV.
He noted other cities like Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth and El Paso have
adopted ordinances that would prohibit similar discrimination.
"We need something like that in Houston, but we don't have it," said
Simoneaux.
The response to the Farber's decision has not been universally negative.
The American Family Association issued a statement defending their business
decision, saying, "Todd, like millions of Americans, obviously has a moral
conviction based on his religious beliefs against homosexual behavior and
that lifestyle. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that."
Lord and Lackey say they have received "lots of offers and recommendations"
for a new landscaper.
Both men are listed as "hosts" for the homosexual group Bunnies on the
Bayou, a Texas 501(c)3 charity that raises money for AIDS-related
organizations and art groups. Bunnies was selected to serve as organization
grand marshal for the 2006 Houston Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender
Pride Parade.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients |
22 Oct 2006 12:02:28 PM |
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bobandcarole schrieb:
Parsifal wrote:
bobandcarole schrieb:
Parsifal wrote:
J Young schrieb:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D52554
Now, that'a a serious source of information...
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks =
call for
anti-discrimination law
A Houston landscaping company is under fire for turning down a jo=
b because
its Christian owners have a policy of not working for homosexual =
customers -
a decision that has spurred calls for a boycott and an anti-discr=
imination
ordinance that would prevent them from selecting clients based on=
sexual
orientation.
Rightly so. Such attitude is not only indecent but also repugnant. =
The
simple fact that you seem to support such intolerance shows once ag=
ain
what a sick person you are. BTW, the day you'll finally get out of =
the
closet, you'll be a little more aware of discrimination. As for the=
se
"christians", they should apply a few of the ideas given by their
Christ.
Todd and Sabrina Farber have owned and operated The Garden Guy si=
nce 1991
and, like other landscape contractors, use the Internet to show t=
he quality
of their past work and to solicit future business.
The Garden Guy
Thanks for the info. I found their website and will send them an
appropriate message.
They need a good laugh.
So, Boob, still haven't found the courage to get out of the closet?
Frankly, I would assume that someone who enjoys sending everyday
postings about homosexuality in such discussion groups as
alt.support.boy-lovers, alt.fan.prettyboy, alt.politics.homosexuality,
alt.support.boy-lovers,
You repeated that one, was that a brain fart or a short circuit?
I see you can't refute these facts... Quite revealing I must say...
I may have repeated "alt.support.boy-lovers" because you seem to go to
that discussion group quite often... Not that there's anything wrong
with that, but it's just very interesting to see someone who pretends
to be disguted by homosexuality spending so much time thinking and
writing about it.
That puts you in the company of J Young. You'll be very cute
together...
soc.men to be a little more consequent...
was just one of the landscaping businesses Michael Lordand
Gary Lackey, a homosexual couple who has been together for nine y=
ears,
requested bids from earlier this week for the new home they're bu=
ilding in
Houston Heights. Lord said he found The Garden Guy through an Int=
ernet
search and liked the "before and after" pictures on the website.
"We sent e-mails to several local landscaping companies asking fo=
r quotes.
Garden Guy called Michael back saying they would like to bid," La=
ckey told
the Houston Voice. Lord called the company Wednesday morning to s=
et up an
appointment.
"Michael was asked if 'his wife would be home' when the consultat=
ion would
take place. He brushed it off, but when he was asked again if his=
wife would
be joining, Michael said, "No, but my partner Gary will be.'
"Michael set up the appointment, but a few minutes later we got t=
he e-mail."
That e-mail has now become the subject of a nationwide online deb=
ate.
Subject: Cancel Appt - Garden Guy
Dear Mr. Lord,
I am appreciative of your time on the phone today and glad you =
contacted
us. I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we ch=
oose not to
work for homosexuals.
Best of luck in finding someone else to fill your landscaping n=
eeds.
All my best,
Sabrina
Todd and Sabrina Farber
Owners, Garden Guy, Inc.
After receiving the e-mail, Lord called Lackey.
"He was in shock," Lackey said. "We just couldn't believe that had
happened."
Lackey forwarded the e-mail to about 200 of his friends, asking t=
hat they
not patronize Garden Guy in the future.
Had Lord looked more closely he would have seen that the Farbers =
were very
upfront with their faith. Beneath a photo of the couple and their=
four
children, the Farbers wrote:
The God-ordained institution of marriage is under attack in cou=
rts across
the nation, and your help is needed.
Go to: www.nogaymarriage.com to take action.
Ephesians 5:8 (Amplified Bible)
... For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lo=
rd; walk as
children of Light and lead the lives of those native-born to the =
Light.
That stance shortly became the topic of discussion online and in =
the
homosexual press. The Farbers quickly set up a forum on their web=
site but it
was taken down Thursday, possible because of the crude language o=
f some
posters.
"I am embarrassed for you and your husband," wrote "Chris." "Ju=
st as you
choose not to do business with us, I, my friends, my family, my c=
o-workers
and everyone I meet, will not do business with you! I have sent y=
our e-mail
to over 50 people I know and work with. These people know 50 othe=
rs each ...
was your bigotry worth it?"
Some critics noted that the Garden Guy website stated that the bu=
siness was
a member of the Association of Professional Landscape Designers, =
a claim
disputed by the trade organization's president in a statement cri=
ticizing
the Farbers.
Amid the threats of boycotts and criticism of the Farber's faith,=
one poster
found the angry messages to be the problem:
"There is more hate in these posts than in the original e-mail,=
" wrote
"Dave." "Why do you feel that we Christians MUST accept you? Don'=
t you find
it ironic that while you demand in one breath that we give up our=
position
that homosexuality is a sin worthy of hell, that you condemn us t=
o that very
place in your next?"
And while they've refused to talk with the media, the Farbers iss=
ued a
public explanation for their decision:
To the Houston media
We did not refuse service with malicious intent. We do not hate
homosexuals and we are sorry that we hurt Michael Lord and Gary L=
ackey. We
meant to uphold our right as a small business owner to choose who=
our
clients are. We are humbly sorry for the hurt that it has caused.
Respectfully,
Todd and Sabrina Farber
That may not be enough, though. Some in the homosexual community =
are angry
that what the Farbers did was not illegal.
"That's the biggest issue. This is not against the law and that i=
s a
travesty," Jerry Simoneaux, an attorney who specializes in homose=
xual issues
told Houston's KHOU-TV.
He noted other cities like Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth and El Paso=
have
adopted ordinances that would prohibit similar discrimination.
"We need something like that in Houston, but we don't have it," s=
aid
Simoneaux.
The response to the Farber's decision has not been universally ne=
gative.
The American Family Association issued a statement defending thei=
r business
decision, saying, "Todd, like millions of Americans, obviously ha=
s a moral
conviction based on his religious beliefs against homosexual beha=
vior and
that lifestyle. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that."
Lord and Lackey say they have received "lots of offers and recomm=
endations"
for a new landscaper.
Both men are listed as "hosts" for the homosexual group Bunnies o=
n the
Bayou,
LOL
a Texas 501(c)3 charity that raises money for AIDS-related
organizations and art groups. Bunnies was selected to serve as or=
ganization
grand marshal for the 2006 Houston Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Trans=
gender
Pride Parade.
--
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J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com
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22 Oct 2006 11:49:18 AM |
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J Young wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks call for
anti-discrimination law
A Houston landscaping company is under fire for turning down a job because
its Christian owners have a policy of not working for homosexual customers -
a decision that has spurred calls for a boycott and an anti-discrimination
ordinance that would prevent them from selecting clients based on sexual
orientation.
There's no need for an anti-discrimination ordinance in a case like
this, because the law of supply and demand will perform the necessary
corrective action. These people are going to lose a lot of business to
their competitors, business from well-monied, well-connected people who
may not be gay themselves, but who care about what happens to their gay
friends, relatives or neighbors. This god-bothering couple will feel
lucky to land a handful of lawn mowing contracts when this is over - it
may be enough for their business to fail. Not a very astute move.
ObJYoung/IBen flame: IBen/JYoung will NEVER stop making an ***** of
himself. What was Al Gore thinking when he invented the Internet???
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| User: "John Baker" |
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22 Oct 2006 02:33:24 AM |
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
How many times do you have to be told that WingNut Daily is *not* a
credible source before it sinks in, *****-for-brains?
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients |
22 Oct 2006 11:41:42 AM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:9k7mj296mb2plfj1g25isj6p5l829ncu5b@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
How many times do you have to be told that WingNut Daily is *not* a
credible source before it sinks in, *****-for-brains?
So, read the Constitution which forbids subjecting people and businesses to
involuntary servitude.
How about that insult you just showed everyone that you are there?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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22 Oct 2006 01:42:37 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:41:42 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism and
I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:9k7mj296mb2plfj1g25isj6p5l829ncu5b@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
How many times do you have to be told that WingNut Daily is *not* a
credible source before it sinks in, *****-for-brains?
So, read the Constitution which forbids subjecting people and businesses to
involuntary servitude.
The 13th never mentions businesses.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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22 Oct 2006 03:10:44 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:rrenj2dbu0ma9j0v7uo7hqtkhsl0kfddds@4ax.com...
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:41:42 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism and
I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:9k7mj296mb2plfj1g25isj6p5l829ncu5b@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
How many times do you have to be told that WingNut Daily is *not* a
credible source before it sinks in, *****-for-brains?
So, read the Constitution which forbids subjecting people and businesses
to
involuntary servitude.
The 13th never mentions businesses.
Involuntary servitude is still forbidden.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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22 Oct 2006 05:07:25 PM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:_eQ_g.19615$Zn1.15466@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:rrenj2dbu0ma9j0v7uo7hqtkhsl0kfddds@4ax.com...
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:41:42 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism
and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:9k7mj296mb2plfj1g25isj6p5l829ncu5b@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
How many times do you have to be told that WingNut Daily is *not* a
credible source before it sinks in, *****-for-brains?
So, read the Constitution which forbids subjecting people and
businesses to
involuntary servitude.
The 13th never mentions businesses.
Involuntary servitude is still forbidden.
Time to bring the lions back, folks. This fucker's insane.
--
Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the
people who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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22 Oct 2006 05:09:36 PM |
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"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9864AE3A3C640askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:_eQ_g.19615$Zn1.15466@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:rrenj2dbu0ma9j0v7uo7hqtkhsl0kfddds@4ax.com...
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:41:42 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism
and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:9k7mj296mb2plfj1g25isj6p5l829ncu5b@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
How many times do you have to be told that WingNut Daily is *not* a
credible source before it sinks in, *****-for-brains?
So, read the Constitution which forbids subjecting people and
businesses to
involuntary servitude.
The 13th never mentions businesses.
Involuntary servitude is still forbidden.
Time to bring the lions back, folks. This fucker's insane.
Me?
Your attitude lead to the fall of Rome.
Mohammed been kicking your *****, huh?
LOL!
--
Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the
people who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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23 Oct 2006 12:14:47 AM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:s_R_g.19659$Zn1.2210@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9864AE3A3C640askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:_eQ_g.19615$Zn1.15466@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:rrenj2dbu0ma9j0v7uo7hqtkhsl0kfddds@4ax.com...
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:41:42 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism
and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's
"Messiah" for some reason...
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:9k7mj296mb2plfj1g25isj6p5l829ncu5b@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
How many times do you have to be told that WingNut Daily is *not*
a
credible source before it sinks in, *****-for-brains?
So, read the Constitution which forbids subjecting people and
businesses to
involuntary servitude.
The 13th never mentions businesses.
Involuntary servitude is still forbidden.
Time to bring the lions back, folks. This fucker's insane.
Me?
Your attitude lead to the fall of Rome.
Mohammed been kicking your *****, huh?
LOL!
One fucking lion--just one.
Crazy-***** sumbitch.
--
Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the
people who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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| User: "Strife767" |
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22 Oct 2006 05:29:32 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:09:36 -0400, John D.Wentzky =
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9864AE3A3C640askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:_eQ_g.19615$Zn1.15466@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message=
news:rrenj2dbu0ma9j0v7uo7hqtkhsl0kfddds@4ax.com...
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:41:42 -0400 "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> said the following in alt.atheism
and I was immediately reminded of 1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel'=
s
"Messiah" for some reason...
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:9k7mj296mb2plfj1g25isj6p5l829ncu5b@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D52554=
How many times do you have to be told that WingNut Daily is *not*=
a
credible source before it sinks in, *****-for-brains?
So, read the Constitution which forbids subjecting people and
businesses to
involuntary servitude.
The 13th never mentions businesses.
Involuntary servitude is still forbidden.
Time to bring the lions back, folks. This fucker's insane.
Me?
Your attitude lead to the fall of Rome.
"Edward Gibbon famously placed the blame on a loss of civic virtue among=
=
the Roman citizens. They gradually outsourced their duties to defend the=
=
Empire to barbarian mercenaries who eventually turned on them. Gibbon =
considered that Christianity had contributed to this, making the populac=
e =
less interested in the worldly here-and-now and more willing to wait for=
=
the rewards of heaven. "[T]he decline of Rome was the natural and =
inevitable effect of immoderate greatness. Prosperity ripened the =
principle of decay; the causes of destruction multiplied with the extent=
=
of conquest; and as soon as time or accident had removed the artificial =
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D52554
How many times do you have to be told that WingNut Daily is *not* a
credible source before it sinks in, *****-for-brains?
He's a troll--he doesn't listen to what anyone says, and I'm sure he kno=
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22 Oct 2006 03:11:21 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, J Young wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks call for
anti-discrimination law
As a private business, they have the right to accept or refuse any job for
any reason. I hope the boycott against them hurts their business, because
I find such discrimination abhorrent, even if it is legal.
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22 Oct 2006 03:18:35 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:11:21 GMT, in alt.atheism
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
<pan.2006.10.22.20.11.27.220873@nowhere.com>:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, J Young wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks call for
anti-discrimination law
As a private business, they have the right to accept or refuse any job for
any reason. I hope the boycott against them hurts their business, because
I find such discrimination abhorrent, even if it is legal.
There are protected classes that they are not allowed to discriminate
against.
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25 Oct 2006 09:09:25 PM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:11:21 GMT, in alt.atheism
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
<pan.2006.10.22.20.11.27.220873@nowhere.com>:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, J Young wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks call for
anti-discrimination law
As a private business, they have the right to accept or refuse any job for
any reason. I hope the boycott against them hurts their business, because
I find such discrimination abhorrent, even if it is legal.
There are protected classes that they are not allowed to discriminate
against.
And queers are not among them.
Michael
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22 Oct 2006 09:27:12 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:18:35 -0500, Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:11:21 GMT, in alt.atheism MarkA <toor@nowhere.com>
wrote in
<pan.2006.10.22.20.11.27.220873@nowhere.com>:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, J Young wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks call
for anti-discrimination law
As a private business, they have the right to accept or refuse any job
for any reason. I hope the boycott against them hurts their business,
because I find such discrimination abhorrent, even if it is legal.
There are protected classes that they are not allowed to discriminate
against.
I don't believe that is correct. You cannot deny someone housing or
employment because of their race, gender, disability status, etc. As a
private landscaper, I'm pretty sure that I can decline to work for you
because I don't like the color of your hair. I don't believe that sexual
orientation is something that is illegal as a basis for discrimination.
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22 Oct 2006 09:34:45 PM |
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In News pan.2006.10.23.02.27.19.826727@nowhere.com,, MarkA at
toor@nowhere.com, typed this:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:18:35 -0500, Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:11:21 GMT, in alt.atheism MarkA
<toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
<pan.2006.10.22.20.11.27.220873@nowhere.com>:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, J Young wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks
call for anti-discrimination law
As a private business, they have the right to accept or refuse any
job for any reason. I hope the boycott against them hurts their
business, because I find such discrimination abhorrent, even if it
is legal.
There are protected classes that they are not allowed to discriminate
against.
I don't believe that is correct. You cannot deny someone housing or
employment because of their race, gender, disability status, etc. As
a private landscaper, I'm pretty sure that I can decline to work for
you because I don't like the color of your hair. I don't believe
that sexual orientation is something that is illegal as a basis for
discrimination.
It is in some local areas where they've passed or voted in
anti-discrimination laws based on sexual orientation, but none at the state
or federal levels that I am aware of.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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22 Oct 2006 10:33:21 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 02:27:12 GMT, in alt.atheism
MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
<pan.2006.10.23.02.27.19.826727@nowhere.com>:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:18:35 -0500, Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:11:21 GMT, in alt.atheism MarkA <toor@nowhere.com>
wrote in
<pan.2006.10.22.20.11.27.220873@nowhere.com>:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:04:34 -0400, J Young wrote:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks call
for anti-discrimination law
As a private business, they have the right to accept or refuse any job
for any reason. I hope the boycott against them hurts their business,
because I find such discrimination abhorrent, even if it is legal.
There are protected classes that they are not allowed to discriminate
against.
I don't believe that is correct. You cannot deny someone housing or
employment because of their race, gender, disability status, etc. As a
private landscaper, I'm pretty sure that I can decline to work for you
because I don't like the color of your hair. I don't believe that sexual
orientation is something that is illegal as a basis for discrimination.
Generally, you cannot refuse to do business with someone because they
fall into a protected class. This was particularly the point in the
public accomodation battles of the sixties. Sexual orientation is not a
protected class at the federal level. I don't know what the case is in
each state, but the bigots who claim to be Christian seem to have been
quite successful at keeping their bigotry going full bore on this one
even if it shows how much they hate Jesus by doing so, so few states
have passed laws stating that sexual orientation is a protected class.
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23 Oct 2006 12:07:49 AM |
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Quite separate from all this talk about the law, what kind of Christian
refuses to do yard work for other human beings just because they're
gay? Aren't Christians supposed to be winning people over to their side
by exhibiting the kind, loving actions their religion claims to stand
for? How will these people spread their message by avoiding everyone
they disagree with?
I realize that, to many (not all) Christians the gay couple are
sinners. But didn't Jesus teach that we were all sinners? Judge not,
lest thou be judged?
Even given the religious beliefs the landscapers haveabout
homosexuality, I just don't see how they can religiously justify their
actions in this case.
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23 Oct 2006 11:23:38 AM |
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"Anlatt the Builder" <tirhuan@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1161580069.541532.161230@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quite separate from all this talk about the law, what kind of Christian
refuses to do yard work for other human beings just because they're
gay?
Homophobic ones.
Aren't Christians supposed to be winning people over to their side
by exhibiting the kind, loving actions their religion claims to stand
for? How will these people spread their message by avoiding everyone
they disagree with?
I realize that, to many (not all) Christians the gay couple are
sinners. But didn't Jesus teach that we were all sinners? Judge not,
lest thou be judged?
Even given the religious beliefs the landscapers haveabout
homosexuality, I just don't see how they can religiously justify their
actions in this case.
Bigots are good at rationalizing. Religious bigots have it down to an art
form.
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23 Oct 2006 07:34:08 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:07:49 -0700, Anlatt the Builder wrote:
Quite separate from all this talk about the law, what kind of Christian
refuses to do yard work for other human beings just because they're gay?
Aren't Christians supposed to be winning people over to their side by
exhibiting the kind, loving actions their religion claims to stand for?
How will these people spread their message by avoiding everyone they
disagree with?
I realize that, to many (not all) Christians the gay couple are sinners.
But didn't Jesus teach that we were all sinners? Judge not, lest thou be
judged?
Even given the religious beliefs the landscapers haveabout homosexuality,
I just don't see how they can religiously justify their actions in this
case.
If religious zealots were to begin being logically consistent, they would
have to give up being religious zealots.
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22 Oct 2006 11:37:53 AM |
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This case is nothing more than gays attempting to subject people to
involuntary servitude.
This case is against liberty in the USA as it seeks to force persons into
slavery.
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WvSdnRorYuWpfafYnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52554
Business owners refuse to tiptoe through tulips, decision sparks call for
anti-discrimination law
A Houston landscaping company is under fire for turning down a job because
its Christian owners have a policy of not working for homosexual
customers -
a decision that has spurred calls for a boycott and an anti-discrimination
ordinance that would prevent them from selecting clients based on sexual
orientation.
Todd and Sabrina Farber have owned and operated The Garden Guy since 1991
and, like other landscape contractors, use the Internet to show the
quality
of their past work and to solicit future business.
The Garden Guy was just one of the landscaping businesses Michael Lordand
Gary Lackey, a homosexual couple who has been together for nine years,
requested bids from earlier this week for the new home they're building in
Houston Heights. Lord said he found The Garden Guy through an Internet
search and liked the "before and after" pictures on the website.
"We sent e-mails to several local landscaping companies asking for quotes.
Garden Guy called Michael back saying they would like to bid," Lackey told
the Houston Voice. Lord called the company Wednesday morning to set up an
appointment.
"Michael was asked if 'his wife would be home' when the consultation would
take place. He brushed it off, but when he was asked again if his wife
would
be joining, Michael said, "No, but my partner Gary will be.'
"Michael set up the appointment, but a few minutes later we got the
e-mail."
That e-mail has now become the subject of a nationwide online debate.
Subject: Cancel Appt - Garden Guy
Dear Mr. Lord,
I am appreciative of your time on the phone today and glad you contacted
us. I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we choose not
to
work for homosexuals.
Best of luck in finding someone else to fill your landscaping needs.
All my best,
Sabrina
Todd and Sabrina Farber
Owners, Garden Guy, Inc.
After receiving the e-mail, Lord called Lackey.
"He was in shock," Lackey said. "We just couldn't believe that had
happened."
Lackey forwarded the e-mail to about 200 of his friends, asking that they
not patronize Garden Guy in the future.
Had Lord looked more closely he would have seen that the Farbers were very
upfront with their faith. Beneath a photo of the couple and their four
children, the Farbers wrote:
The God-ordained institution of marriage is under attack in courts across
the nation, and your help is needed.
Go to: www.nogaymarriage.com to take action.
Ephesians 5:8 (Amplified Bible)
... For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk
as
children of Light and lead the lives of those native-born to the Light.
That stance shortly became the topic of discussion online and in the
homosexual press. The Farbers quickly set up a forum on their website but
it
was taken down Thursday, possible because of the crude language of some
posters.
"I am embarrassed for you and your husband," wrote "Chris." "Just as you
choose not to do business with us, I, my friends, my family, my co-workers
and everyone I meet, will not do business with you! I have sent your
e-mail
to over 50 people I know and work with. These people know 50 others each
...
was your bigotry worth it?"
Some critics noted that the Garden Guy website stated that the business
was
a member of the Association of Professional Landscape Designers, a claim
disputed by the trade organization's president in a statement criticizing
the Farbers.
Amid the threats of boycotts and criticism of the Farber's faith, one
poster
found the angry messages to be the problem:
"There is more hate in these posts than in the original e-mail," wrote
"Dave." "Why do you feel that we Christians MUST accept you? Don't you
find
it ironic that while you demand in one breath that we give up our position
that homosexuality is a sin worthy of hell, that you condemn us to that
very
place in your next?"
And while they've refused to talk with the media, the Farbers issued a
public explanation for their decision:
To the Houston media
We did not refuse service with malicious intent. We do not hate
homosexuals and we are sorry that we hurt Michael Lord and Gary Lackey. We
meant to uphold our right as a small business owner to choose who our
clients are. We are humbly sorry for the hurt that it has caused.
Respectfully,
Todd and Sabrina Farber
That may not be enough, though. Some in the homosexual community are angry
that what the Farbers did was not illegal.
"That's the biggest issue. This is not against the law and that is a
travesty," Jerry Simoneaux, an attorney who specializes in homosexual
issues
told Houston's KHOU-TV.
He noted other cities like Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth and El Paso have
adopted ordinances that would prohibit similar discrimination.
"We need something like that in Houston, but we don't have it," said
Simoneaux.
The response to the Farber's decision has not been universally negative.
The American Family Association issued a statement defending their
business
decision, saying, "Todd, like millions of Americans, obviously has a moral
conviction based on his religious beliefs against homosexual behavior and
that lifestyle. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that."
Lord and Lackey say they have received "lots of offers and
recommendations"
for a new landscaper.
Both men are listed as "hosts" for the homosexual group Bunnies on the
Bayou, a Texas 501(c)3 charity that raises money for AIDS-related
organizations and art groups. Bunnies was selected to serve as
organization
grand marshal for the 2006 Houston Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender
Pride Parade.
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in message
news:s7N_g.5756$Fd7.119@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
This case is nothing more than gays attempting to subject people to
involuntary servitude.
This case is against liberty in the USA as it seeks to force persons into
slavery.
But that is the Amercan way..............
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22 Oct 2006 01:59:20 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:37:53 -0400, John D.Wentzky
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
This case is nothing more than gays attempting to subject people to
involuntary servitude.
This case is against liberty in the USA as it seeks to force persons into
slavery.
What is this, like the fourth nearly-identical reply to the same post by
you? Drop the bottle, stop taking the illegal drugs, and get back on your
prescriptions, wacko.
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I want to change the world.
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22 Oct 2006 11:29:44 AM |
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Who cares?
If gays want landscaping work done they should learn how to do it themselves
instead of thinking they can subject people and businesses to involuntary
servitude.
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22 Oct 2006 11:45:44 AM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Who cares?
If gays want landscaping work done they should learn how to do it themselves
instead of thinking they can subject people and businesses to involuntary
servitude.
....never mind that most businesses couldn't care less about the sexual
orientation of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what they're selling.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
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22 Oct 2006 11:49:55 AM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkvemcqoxz.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Who cares?
If gays want landscaping work done they should learn how to do it
themselves
instead of thinking they can subject people and businesses to involuntary
servitude.
...never mind that most businesses couldn't care less about the sexual
orientation of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what they're
selling.
Another attempt at subjecting people to involuntary servitude?
Why can't these gays buy the stuff and do the work themselves if no one is
willing to do it for them?
Do you think they will hire illegal immigrants?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
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22 Oct 2006 11:54:26 AM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkvemcqoxz.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Who cares?
If gays want landscaping work done they should learn how to do it
themselves
instead of thinking they can subject people and businesses to involuntary
servitude.
...never mind that most businesses couldn't care less about the sexual
orientation of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what they're
selling.
Another attempt at subjecting people to involuntary servitude?
That's your imagination, which is your problem.
Why can't these gays buy the stuff and do the work themselves if no one is
willing to do it for them?
What part of "most businesses couldn't care less about the sexual orientation
of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what they're selling" are you too
insane to understand?
Do you think they will hire illegal immigrants?
I think they'll find a competing business who will gladly do the job. (After
all, they're right here in Houston, and it's not like there's only one
landscaper in a city of five million people.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
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22 Oct 2006 03:12:14 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkmz7oqojh.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkvemcqoxz.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Who cares?
If gays want landscaping work done they should learn how to do it
themselves
instead of thinking they can subject people and businesses to
involuntary
servitude.
...never mind that most businesses couldn't care less about the sexual
orientation of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what they're
selling.
Another attempt at subjecting people to involuntary servitude?
That's your imagination, which is your problem.
Why can't these gays buy the stuff and do the work themselves if no one is
willing to do it for them?
What part of "most businesses couldn't care less about the sexual
orientation
of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what they're selling" are you
too
insane to understand?
Do you think they will hire illegal immigrants?
I think they'll find a competing business who will gladly do the job.
(After
all, they're right here in Houston, and it's not like there's only one
landscaper in a city of five million people.)
So, why are they pitching a hissy fit/***** rant then?
What part of no involuntary servitude are you forgetting?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
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22 Oct 2006 05:51:58 PM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkmz7oqojh.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkvemcqoxz.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Who cares? If gays want landscaping work done they should learn how to
do it themselves instead of thinking they can subject people and
businesses to involuntary servitude.
...never mind that most businesses couldn't care less about the sexual
orientation of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what they're
selling.
Another attempt at subjecting people to involuntary servitude?
That's your imagination, which is your problem.
Why can't these gays buy the stuff and do the work themselves if no one is
willing to do it for them?
What part of "most businesses couldn't care less about the sexual
orientation of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what they're selling"
are you too insane to understand?
Do you think they will hire illegal immigrants?
I think they'll find a competing business who will gladly do the job.
(After all, they're right here in Houston, and it's not like there's only
one landscaper in a city of five million people.)
So, why are they pitching a hissy fit/***** rant then?
They aren't. (For all you know, they may wind up with more business, since
consumers don't necessarily cotton to judgemental whiners like the ones in
this instance.)
What part of no involuntary servitude are you forgetting?
Maybe you should come up with an approach that's actually relevant. You're
still no lawyer.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
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| Title: Re: Christian landscaper won't soil hands with work for 'gay' clients |
22 Oct 2006 05:05:44 PM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:pgQ_g.19616$Zn1.18155@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Who cares?
If gays want landscaping work done they should learn how to do it
themselves
instead of thinking they can subject people and businesses to
involuntary
servitude.
...never mind that most businesses couldn't care less about the
sexual orientation of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what
they're selling.
Another attempt at subjecting people to involuntary servitude?
That's your imagination, which is your problem.
Why can't these gays buy the stuff and do the work themselves if no
one is willing to do it for them?
What part of "most businesses couldn't care less about the sexual
orientation
of their customers, as it's irrelevant to what they're selling" are
you too
insane to understand?
Do you think they will hire illegal immigrants?
I think they'll find a competing business who will gladly do the job.
(After
all, they're right here in Houston, and it's not like there's only
one landscaper in a city of five million people.)
So, why are they pitching a hissy fit/***** rant then?
What part of no involuntary servitude are you forgetting?
You make it sound like christers are being press-ganged and forced to
work.
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Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the
people who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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