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"Ugly Anna" |
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19 Aug 2006 08:43:24 PM |
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"Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus' existence. I had to make this page so
that I could collect some common lies told and present the truth
behind the matter. There are hundreds of things I feel compelled to
discuss but I shall limit it to a top five list. The top five lies
Christian's tell:
Darwin recanted on his deathbed. This is completely fabricated and has
no foundation in truth whatsoever. A woman named "Lady Hope" spoke to
a church group shortly after the death of Charles Darwin. She claimed
that she was at Darwin's bedside on the day of his death. She also
claimed that Darwin recanted on evolution and accepted Jesus on his
deathbed. Her claims are not only unsupported, but are directly
opposed by Darwin's daughter, Henrietta. Henrietta stated "I was
present at his deathbed, Lady Hope was not present during his last
illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any
case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or
belief. My father never recanted any of his scientific views, either
then or earlier. I am upset that the U.S. Christians have fabricated
this conversion nonsense. The whole story has no foundation
whatever." February 23, 1922.
Evolution has been proven false (is only a theory). Evolution can be
divided into two parts, macro and micro. Micro evolution is a fact,
where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact
steps of the evolutionary process. EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN we simply
can't trace the exact evolutionary steps of the of the 3 trillion plus
species on earth. Considering there is no way that we can even prove
if we have located all the species on earth, this may always remain a
theory. We can prove though, beyond a doubt, that humans have
evolved. We can trace it back conclusively 3.6 million years. 97% of
all scientists accept evolution (so does the Catholic Church).
Christians have spread lies about this excessively, they especially
like to say evolution preaches that Humans evolved from monkeys.
Evolution does not state that humans evolved from monkeys, that idea
is completely absurd. Science states that monkeys and humans evolved
from a shared forefather and are hence relatives, (all primates are)
but we are in no way direct descendants of them.
Atheists have no morals. All one has to do is take a look at the
American prison system. Nearly 76% of violent criminals are Christian
and NO, most of these Christians did not convert after conviction,
they were Christian at the time of the crime. The greatest genocides
in human history stemmed from the Christian faith. If you examine
secular societies in comparison to religious societies; secular
societies will consistently have less crime, unemployment, corruption
and more freedom, share of wealth and a higher standard of living.
Nearly EVERY single advancement towards morality (I.E: ceasing native
genocide, freeing the slaves and women's suffrage) was OPPOSED by the
church and Christian organizations.
This United States is a country founded on Christianity. This is the
biggest sack of horse ***** and only an EXTREME MORON would believe
something this retarded. The VERY FIRST AMENDMENT of the constitution
is based on the Separation of church and state. The paramount reason
why the forefathers came to this country was for religious freedom.
They listed it as their top goal in forming America. Matter of fact
most of the fore fathers weren't even Christian, but deist, atheist
and agnostic. I could site thousands of quotes which ***** on this lie
from Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Paine, etc. but I shouldn't need
to, considering the reading of the constitution is a 4th grade
curriculum requirement.
There are no atheists in foxholes. I hear this one on a weekly basis
and it never ceases to amuse/disgust me. One third of the world's
population does not believe in a deity. The largest concentration of
free thinkers is found in Asia, which participated in each world war
and have been feuding over territory with the surrounding regions for
thousands of years (especially Japan and China). My father is an
atheist and served during the Berlin Crisis. I am an atheist and
though I wasn't in a fox hole, I faced death while giving birth and I
tell you that the thought about God NEVER crossed my mind when I heard
my condition could be fatal. I have had the privilege to meet
hundreds of atheists who served in WW2 and Vietnam, each of whom sat
in fox holes. For more information about atheists in the military see
the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers website.
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| User: "Aziz Hermantos" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 09:33:59 PM |
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In article <kfffe2l9u8ltm277695og16ji45saealr4@4ax.com>, Ugly Anna says...
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis.
Really, Ug? Exactly how do you deal with Christian lies on a daily basis?
Are you a journalist, counselor, town crier, or an all around general fruit
cake?
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| User: "Ugly Anna" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 10:00:24 PM |
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On 19 Aug 2006 19:33:59 -0700, Aziz Hermantos
<Aziz_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
In article <kfffe2l9u8ltm277695og16ji45saealr4@4ax.com>, Ugly Anna says...
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis.
Really, Ug? Exactly how do you deal with Christian lies on a daily basis?
Are you a journalist, counselor, town crier, or an all around general fruit
cake?
I am not the orignal author, hence the quotation marks in the subject
line.
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| User: "Aziz Hermantos" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 10:15:29 PM |
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In article <5ujfe2d7q62tfq146a6g5347o9nrfta3fv@4ax.com>, Ugly Anna says...
On 19 Aug 2006 19:33:59 -0700, Aziz Hermantos
<Aziz_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
In article <kfffe2l9u8ltm277695og16ji45saealr4@4ax.com>, Ugly Anna says...
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis.
Really, Ug? Exactly how do you deal with Christian lies on a daily basis?
Are you a journalist, counselor, town crier, or an all around general fruit
cake?
I am not the orignal author, hence the quotation marks in the subject
line.
Duh... If you're quoting someone, use quotations marks for the entire quote or
make it clear by some statement that you are quoting someone. Also, if you are
not willing to defend the quotes, why bother quoting?
Methinks Ug is a whackjob...
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 10:59:53 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:00:24 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On 19 Aug 2006 19:33:59 -0700, Aziz Hermantos
<Aziz_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
In article <kfffe2l9u8ltm277695og16ji45saealr4@4ax.com>, Ugly Anna says...
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis.
Really, Ug? Exactly how do you deal with Christian lies on a daily basis?
Are you a journalist, counselor, town crier, or an all around general fruit
cake?
I am not the orignal author, hence the quotation marks in the subject
line.
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
You are a thief, and you are a criminal!
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| User: "Ugly Anna" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 11:57:08 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found. I have some other text files
from somebody who called himself "Spooge Boy" on a dial-up BBS about
fifteen years ago, if you would prefer to have something with proper
credit...
You are a thief, and you are a criminal!
Whatever...
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 05:14:44 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
You need to say what you just said either ABOVE or BELOW each of those
posts.
Otherwise, folks'll think you stole 'em, which is kinda
counter-productive.
It didn't even register with me (I didn't read much of your material,
not being interested) until someone ELSE pointed it out,
"no attribution, no permission."
Now you can make 2 assumptions.
1 The person who posted what you found stole them. (not your fault)
2 Or whoever posted them did so anonymously (which is universal
parlance for "Free to use")
In EITHER case, you are free to use them (if you have told the truth)
But--- you DO Need to say what you said above.
"Posted as found, unsigned, no by-line" etc.
And make note:
I may VEHEMENTLY disagree with your POV here. (I do)
However, as a professional writer, I am only too happy to tell you
how to express what you have to say in a LEGAL manner that doesn't get
you into trouble.
That is, you might wish you could shut ME up; I have no similar desire
to shut YOU up!
I'd only prefer that you restrict yourself to groups in which the
people are INTERESTED.
I find it tacky and counter-productive that you post in CHRISTIAN
groups.
I have some other text files
from somebody who called himself "Spooge Boy" on a dial-up BBS about
fifteen years ago, if you would prefer to have something with proper
credit...
Don't do it on MY account. And "Spooge Boy" isn't a "proper
attribution."
That is like saying "anonymous."
You are a thief, and you are a criminal!
Whatever...
How cavalier you are!
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| User: "Vernon there@athere" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 09:13:02 AM |
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"john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
news:16dge2tmuh8ac6c8311s2knrar81bubdv7@4ax.com...
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Responding to the loony ONLY (THAT's right ONLY) provides the original
intent (mess up the News group with crap), because that is the only thing in
her head.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 04:01:21 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:14:44 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
oh, sure-------- so professional that you couldn't even manage to
successfully peddle your PORN FILTH!
You need to say what you just said either ABOVE or BELOW each of those
posts.
Otherwise, folks'll think you stole 'em, which is kinda
counter-productive.
What about that post YOU made whereby you admitted openly to
're-wording the article so much that you could call it your own'???
Talk about plagiarism! You are as guilty of what you're accusing 'Ugly
Anna' of supposedly being.
It didn't even register with me (I didn't read much of your material,
not being interested) until someone ELSE pointed it out,
"no attribution, no permission."
Aw gee, poor liar-johnnie.
snipped ridiculous rhetoric!
However, as a professional writer, I am only too happy to tell you
how to express what you have to say in a LEGAL manner that doesn't get
you into trouble.
That is, you might wish you could shut ME up; I have no similar desire
to shut YOU up!
I'd only prefer that you restrict yourself to groups in which the
people are INTERESTED.
Who R U 2 SPEAK 4 ANYONE whether they are interested or uninterested?
People may disagree with something U-A posts, or they may agree. YOU
DON'T KNOW whether anyone is indeed interested or not, weatherless.
I find it tacky and counter-productive that you post in CHRISTIAN
groups.
A lot of us found it pretty tacky that you posed as a Christian,
posting porn filth into those 'other' 'froups.
I continue to find it tacky that you still pretend to be a Christian,
weatherless.
snipped more weatherless garbage...
You are a thief, and you are a criminal!
Whatever...
How cavalier you are!
How idiotic YOU are, weatherless!
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| User: "Ugly Anna" |
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20 Aug 2006 09:21:50 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:14:44 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
<snip>
This isn't a journalism class. This is Usenet, which means it's pretty
much anarchy...
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 10:10:54 AM |
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"Ugly Anna" <Tbone415@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:14:44 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
<snip>
This isn't a journalism class. This is Usenet, which means it's pretty
much anarchy...
Ah - There you are.'
I'm really not sure what was your purpose for crossposting all this *****
and trying to start WWIII between alt.atheism and the numerous religious
newsgroup you spewed this ***** to, but..................PLONK.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "" |
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20 Aug 2006 04:03:27 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:21:50 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:14:44 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
HAH! It's archived, old boy...
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
^^^^^^^^^Bollocks. Your 'copyright' here is a joke at best.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
Hah!! More useless boasting and worthless prattle!
<snip>
This isn't a journalism class. This is Usenet, which means it's pretty
much anarchy...
Anna, according to old man weatherless, he imagines he can alter the
wording of someone else's writing, and 'claim it as his own' - he even
admitted to having done that --
He vainly imagines he can 'copyright' what he posts to Usenet, and if
anyone quotes him on anything, he screams 'PLAGIARISM!' if his name
isn't mentioned!
When I bothered keeping my web site up, I had a page I called 'The
IDES'---------- in it I had many quotes from different posters-
excerpts of comments some had made, some comical, some plain spoofs,
some 'whatever' comments- old man weatherless was the only idiot who
tried to claim I was a 'plagiarist'!!!!
If I bother putting my web page up again, I will include the Ides
again, complete with some more Usenet excerpts!! :o)
But in the meantime, I'm far too busy to bother with the webby, so I
let 'er lapse.
I might reconsider putting it back up later on, but for now,
nahhhhhhh! :o)
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| User: "Cloim" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 10:58:04 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:21:50 -0400, Ugly Anna wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:14:44 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
<snip>
This isn't a journalism class. This is Usenet, which means it's pretty
much anarchy...
Some people are still taken seriously around here.
Do you want to be one of them? Or one that people think of as a crackpot?
I'll let you decide where plagiarists and cut-n-paste trolls fit in. By
definition, atm, you are at least one of those.
Just because you can get away with it, doesn't mean you should do it.
I, for one, am a libertarian. I believe you should be able to "get away
with" a lot of things that it isn't wise to do.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 10:00:31 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:21:50 -0400, in alt.atheism , Ugly Anna
<Tbone415@aol.com> in <n8rge2lgv77k65spdaovb24pg9c7cuc4lu@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:14:44 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
<snip>
This isn't a journalism class. This is Usenet, which means it's pretty
much anarchy...
Maybe, but you posted material written by others with minimal attempt
to let anyone know, no less give the original writer credit.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 04:03:32 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:00:31 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Maybe, but you posted material written by others with minimal attempt
to let anyone know, no less give the original writer credit.
But -- did she try to claim she had written it? I don't see the
original...
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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20 Aug 2006 06:13:56 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:03:32 -0400, in alt.atheism , in
<1hjhe2lbahoiq6kceomnv6nqg3dj2040c0@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:00:31 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Maybe, but you posted material written by others with minimal attempt
to let anyone know, no less give the original writer credit.
But -- did she try to claim she had written it? I don't see the
original...
She says she put "" in the subject. That, somehow, was supposed to
tell us it was all a quote. I don't think that is due diligence.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 06:53:58 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:13:56 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:03:32 -0400, in alt.atheism , in
<1hjhe2lbahoiq6kceomnv6nqg3dj2040c0@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:00:31 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Maybe, but you posted material written by others with minimal attempt
to let anyone know, no less give the original writer credit.
But -- did she try to claim she had written it? I don't see the
original...
She says she put "" in the subject. That, somehow, was supposed to
tell us it was all a quote. I don't think that is due diligence.
True -- but the individual who appears to be accusing her of
'plagiarism' is just another know-it-all wannabe!
Unless she made claim to having actually written the article in
question, I don't see how he can accuse her as her appears to have
done...
Thanks-- just wondered--
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
21 Aug 2006 12:14:24 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:53:58 -0400, in alt.atheism , in
<5ethe2h7lt9dubkatq11hud8o769dmv13o@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:13:56 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:03:32 -0400, in alt.atheism , in
<1hjhe2lbahoiq6kceomnv6nqg3dj2040c0@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:00:31 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Maybe, but you posted material written by others with minimal attempt
to let anyone know, no less give the original writer credit.
But -- did she try to claim she had written it? I don't see the
original...
She says she put "" in the subject. That, somehow, was supposed to
tell us it was all a quote. I don't think that is due diligence.
True -- but the individual who appears to be accusing her of
'plagiarism' is just another know-it-all wannabe!
How is that relevant? The claim is determinable no matter who made it.
As it happens I also made the claim. And you can look for yourself?
Unless she made claim to having actually written the article in
question, I don't see how he can accuse her as her appears to have
done...
Really? You don't think her name on the post counts as a claim of
authorship? I assume you wrote your post, do I now have to wonder if
you are copying it from somewhere?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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21 Aug 2006 09:49:00 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:14:24 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
True -- but the individual who appears to be accusing her of
'plagiarism' is just another know-it-all wannabe!
How is that relevant? The claim is determinable no matter who made it.
As it happens I also made the claim. And you can look for yourself?
As I already posted, I don't have the original... which was why I
asked if she had claimed ownership.
If she did, then she is wrong to do so, yes.
But the gist of this is the irony of old man weatherless, who claims
to be such a writing pro- and he copied and re-edited an article
written by someone else, then tried to claim as it AS HIS OWN himself
- he is just as guilty of what he accused Anna of.
Unless she made claim to having actually written the article in
question, I don't see how he can accuse her as her appears to have
done...
Really? You don't think her name on the post counts as a claim of
authorship? I assume you wrote your post, do I now have to wonder if
you are copying it from somewhere?
Hardly. I don't plagiarize, even though old man weatherless falsely
accused me of doing so by using a sentence or two from some of his
ridiculous post in my IDES feature.
The IDES consist of quotes from various posters -- some comical, some
serious, some absolutely bonkers, like weatherless..
I have not bothered to renew my web site because I simply don't have
the time to work on it.
However, when I do decide to put it back up, those IDES will be back
up with it,. and of course, enlarged upon! :O)
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| User: "ujb" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 02:51:09 PM |
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Ugly Anna wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:14:44 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
<snip>
This isn't a journalism class. This is Usenet, which means it's pretty
much anarchy...
Don't get in a debate with the 'scrambled one', he'll try having you
crossing your "i's" and dotting you 't's'
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 05:47:13 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:51:09 -0400, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
Ugly Anna wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:14:44 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
<snip>
This isn't a journalism class. This is Usenet, which means it's pretty
much anarchy...
Don't get in a debate with the 'scrambled one', he'll try having you
crossing your "i's" and dotting you 't's'
Yupper- and then he'll threaten her with a lawsuit! :o)
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| User: "ujb" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 04:40:32 PM |
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john w <johnw wrote:
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:59:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
So where's your permission paragraph? Where's your attribution?
Where's the author's by-line?
These were posted as they were found.
As a professional writer (university trained-- BA Journalism, Cal
State U Northridge)
You act anything but, I'm thinkin it another lie! Can you show your
sheepskin?
You need to say what you just said either ABOVE or BELOW each of those
posts.
Are you the posting police officer?
Otherwise, folks'll think you stole 'em, which is kinda
counter-productive.
We only think that when liar johnnie posts.
It didn't even register with me (I didn't read much of your material,
not being interested) until someone ELSE pointed it out,
"no attribution, no permission."
Now you can make 2 assumptions.
1 The person who posted what you found stole them. (not your fault)
2 Or whoever posted them did so anonymously (which is universal
parlance for "Free to use")
In EITHER case, you are free to use them (if you have told the truth)
But--- you DO Need to say what you said above.
"Posted as found, unsigned, no by-line" etc.
Oh stop it, u r looking so very stupid!
And make note:
I may VEHEMENTLY disagree with your POV here. (I do)
No one cares
However, as a professional writer, I am only too happy to tell you
how to express what you have to say in a LEGAL manner that doesn't get
you into trouble.
You know nothing, you are known as 'scrambled one'!
That is, you might wish you could shut ME up; I have no similar desire
to shut YOU up!
Everyone wishes you'd shut up nuttly, everyone!
I'd only prefer that you restrict yourself to groups in which the
people are INTERESTED.
Why don't you? No one wants to see your posts.
I find it tacky and counter-productive that you post in CHRISTIAN
groups.
The almost a Baptist porn king finds something *tacky*! That a lark
johnnie when I think of the "Oh daddy" story!
ujb
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| User: "Falcon" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 09:24:19 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:43:24 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
Lies that are false?! Does that mean they are true or rather that
you are just incapable of comprehending language and enjoy looking
silly?
--
Ciao,
Falcon
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| User: "Ugly Anna" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 09:58:01 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:19 -0700, Falcon <Falcon23587@verizzon.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:43:24 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
Lies that are false?! Does that mean they are true or rather that
you are just incapable of comprehending language and enjoy looking
silly?
I am not the original author. That should have been apparent from the
quotation marks in the subject line...
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 10:32:41 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:58:01 -0400, in alt.atheism , Ugly Anna
<Tbone415@aol.com> in <9ajfe2lhr59tuirfp6bac0m4hlvdti4u9m@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:19 -0700, Falcon <Falcon23587@verizzon.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:43:24 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
Lies that are false?! Does that mean they are true or rather that
you are just incapable of comprehending language and enjoy looking
silly?
I am not the original author. That should have been apparent from the
quotation marks in the subject line...
No, it was not. So besides everything else you have stolen someone
else's material without even giving proper credit and citation.
Please, give us more lectures on morality.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Falcon" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 11:35:39 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:32:41 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:58:01 -0400, in alt.atheism , Ugly Anna
<Tbone415@aol.com> in <9ajfe2lhr59tuirfp6bac0m4hlvdti4u9m@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:19 -0700, Falcon <Falcon23587@verizzon.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:43:24 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
Lies that are false?! Does that mean they are true or rather that
you are just incapable of comprehending language and enjoy looking
silly?
I am not the original author. That should have been apparent from the
quotation marks in the subject line...
No, it was not. So besides everything else you have stolen someone
else's material without even giving proper credit and citation.
Please, give us more lectures on morality.
So it seems that Ugly posts things she is not willing to defend and
instead runs away. Oh yeah, like that is something new.
--
Ciao,
Falcon
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| User: "Ugly Anna" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 11:39:18 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:32:41 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
I am not the original author. That should have been apparent from the
quotation marks in the subject line...
No, it was not. So besides everything else you have stolen someone
else's material without even giving proper credit and citation.
Please, give us more lectures on morality.
These essays were posted as they were found, but it's interesting that
you can attack the messenger and the method, but have said nothing
about the message itself...
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 07:25:09 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:39:18 -0400, in alt.atheism , Ugly Anna
<Tbone415@aol.com> in <tbpfe2pb02j46i6idlki27cug108hm6cqc@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:32:41 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
I am not the original author. That should have been apparent from the
quotation marks in the subject line...
No, it was not. So besides everything else you have stolen someone
else's material without even giving proper credit and citation.
Please, give us more lectures on morality.
These essays were posted as they were found, but it's interesting that
you can attack the messenger and the method, but have said nothing
about the message itself...
I did. It is interesting that you have ignored it.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Rook5" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
20 Aug 2006 09:16:11 AM |
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Ugly Anna wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus' existence. I had to make this page so
that I could collect some common lies told and present the truth
behind the matter. There are hundreds of things I feel compelled to
discuss but I shall limit it to a top five list. The top five lies
Christian's tell:
Not surprising since they tell religioud lies as well:
Trinty
Hellfire
soul/spirit imortality
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 09:37:02 PM |
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Ugly Anna wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus' existence. I had to make this page so
that I could collect some common lies told and present the truth
behind the matter. There are hundreds of things I feel compelled to
discuss but I shall limit it to a top five list. The top five lies
Christian's tell:
Darwin recanted on his deathbed. This is completely fabricated and has
no foundation in truth whatsoever. A woman named "Lady Hope" spoke to
a church group shortly after the death of Charles Darwin. She claimed
that she was at Darwin's bedside on the day of his death. She also
claimed that Darwin recanted on evolution and accepted Jesus on his
deathbed. Her claims are not only unsupported, but are directly
opposed by Darwin's daughter, Henrietta. Henrietta stated "I was
present at his deathbed, Lady Hope was not present during his last
illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any
case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or
belief. My father never recanted any of his scientific views, either
then or earlier. I am upset that the U.S. Christians have fabricated
this conversion nonsense. The whole story has no foundation
whatever." February 23, 1922.
Evolution has been proven false (is only a theory). Evolution can be
divided into two parts, macro and micro. Micro evolution is a fact,
where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact
steps of the evolutionary process. EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN we simply
can't trace the exact evolutionary steps of the of the 3 trillion plus
species on earth. Considering there is no way that we can even prove
if we have located all the species on earth, this may always remain a
theory. We can prove though, beyond a doubt, that humans have
evolved. We can trace it back conclusively 3.6 million years. 97% of
all scientists accept evolution (so does the Catholic Church).
Christians have spread lies about this excessively, they especially
like to say evolution preaches that Humans evolved from monkeys.
Evolution does not state that humans evolved from monkeys, that idea
is completely absurd. Science states that monkeys and humans evolved
from a shared forefather and are hence relatives, (all primates are)
but we are in no way direct descendants of them.
Atheists have no morals. All one has to do is take a look at the
American prison system. Nearly 76% of violent criminals are Christian
and NO, most of these Christians did not convert after conviction,
they were Christian at the time of the crime. The greatest genocides
in human history stemmed from the Christian faith. If you examine
secular societies in comparison to religious societies; secular
societies will consistently have less crime, unemployment, corruption
and more freedom, share of wealth and a higher standard of living.
Nearly EVERY single advancement towards morality (I.E: ceasing native
genocide, freeing the slaves and women's suffrage) was OPPOSED by the
church and Christian organizations.
This United States is a country founded on Christianity. This is the
biggest sack of horse ***** and only an EXTREME MORON would believe
something this retarded. The VERY FIRST AMENDMENT of the constitution
is based on the Separation of church and state. The paramount reason
why the forefathers came to this country was for religious freedom.
They listed it as their top goal in forming America. Matter of fact
most of the fore fathers weren't even Christian, but deist, atheist
and agnostic. I could site thousands of quotes which ***** on this lie
from Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Paine, etc. but I shouldn't need
to, considering the reading of the constitution is a 4th grade
curriculum requirement.
There are no atheists in foxholes. I hear this one on a weekly basis
and it never ceases to amuse/disgust me. One third of the world's
population does not believe in a deity. The largest concentration of
free thinkers is found in Asia, which participated in each world war
and have been feuding over territory with the surrounding regions for
thousands of years (especially Japan and China). My father is an
atheist and served during the Berlin Crisis. I am an atheist and
though I wasn't in a fox hole, I faced death while giving birth and I
tell you that the thought about God NEVER crossed my mind when I heard
my condition could be fatal. I have had the privilege to meet
hundreds of atheists who served in WW2 and Vietnam, each of whom sat
in fox holes. For more information about atheists in the military see
the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers website.
The problem with religion is the only part that needs no proof is the
part created run and handled by humans, books, cathedrals, the priesthood
and many more. When it comes to the deities themselves it is necessary
to fall back on 'faith'
This creates countless obstacles so to counter them they are left with
trying to 'about face' the discussion into, 'well if you disbelievers are
wrong about our god we must be right, hence we get these silly posts
about 'bad atheists' and ideas on Adolph Hiter, Mau Tse Tung, Stalin and
the like.
What they fail to realise is these attempts prove nothing and look rather
silly
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: "Christian Lies" - (Repost) |
19 Aug 2006 10:55:34 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:43:24 -0400, Ugly Anna <Tbone415@aol.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus' existence. I had to make this page so
that I could collect some common lies told and present the truth
behind the matter. There are hundreds of things I feel compelled to
discuss but I shall limit it to a top five list. The top five lies
Christian's tell:
Darwin recanted on his deathbed. This is completely fabricated and has
no foundation in truth whatsoever. A woman named "Lady Hope" spoke to
a church group shortly after the death of Charles Darwin. She claimed
that she was at Darwin's bedside on the day of his death. She also
claimed that Darwin recanted on evolution and accepted Jesus on his
deathbed. Her claims are not only unsupported, but are directly
opposed by Darwin's daughter, Henrietta. Henrietta stated "I was
present at his deathbed, Lady Hope was not present during his last
illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any
case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or
belief. My father never recanted any of his scientific views, either
then or earlier. I am upset that the U.S. Christians have fabricated
this conversion nonsense. The whole story has no foundation
whatever." February 23, 1922.
Evolution has been proven false (is only a theory). Evolution can be
divided into two parts, macro and micro. Micro evolution is a fact,
where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact
steps of the evolutionary process.
EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN we simply
can't trace the exact evolutionary steps of the of the 3 trillion plus
species on earth.
Ah hah! Thanks for clearing that up! "Evolution is a FACT! We just
have no PROOF of that FACT!"
I couldn't have said it better myself! I in fact own the world's only
living 24 foot tall green rabbit. I declare this to be absolute
incontrovertible truth! However, in the last 30 attempts, I have been
unable to photography my 24 foot tall green rabbit! But IT DOES EXIST!
Considering there is no way that we can even prove
if we have located all the species on earth, this may always remain a
theory. We can prove though, beyond a doubt, that humans have
evolved. We can trace it back conclusively 3.6 million years. 97% of
all scientists accept evolution (so does the Catholic Church).
Your point?
I still know a number of very reliable, very professional scientists
who believe in special creation.
Why is that such a big deal to you?
And not only is the likelihood of the existence of God quite easy to
prove, the probability of creation is likewise quite easy to
establish.
I've actually seen evolution totally tossed in the crapper by a can of
tuna fish!
;-)
In fact, the "tuna fish proof" of creation became so infamous a proof
that -- last time I heard-- the "scientists" who continue to push
evolution had to revise the model.
smirk.
Christians have spread lies about this excessively,
Well, let's say that Christians have been ready and willing to present
the creation side, since those who preach unproved evolution so
readily preach theirs!
(that's called "equal time.")
they especially
like to say evolution preaches that Humans evolved from monkeys.
Evolution does not state that humans evolved from monkeys, that idea
is completely absurd.
You strain all the gnats out while you swallow the camel whole
The issue of where we came from boils down to this: Evolution preaches
that all life (men, monkeys, dogs, donkeys) came by WHATEVER process
from "the soup".
Let's take a little different tack. Let's say that evolution preaches
that man evolved from something on the order of a frog!
The creationist says, "well, if you believe THAT nonsense, then you
are admitting OPENLY that you believe in FAIRY TALES!
If you believe that man evolved from the frog (or something similar in
the "food chain"), you are saying you believe the story of the
princess who kissed the frog and it turned into a prince!
Same story, different timeline!
And-- after all-- EVERYBODY KNOWS that the "Princess and the Enchanted
Frog" is a fairytale.
But put different labels on the life forms, and stretch out the
timeline, and you call it "evolution."
No thanks!
Science states that monkeys and humans evolved
from a shared forefather and are hence relatives, (all primates are)
but we are in no way direct descendants of them.
AGAIN, you have strained the gnats (you got hung up on very PRECISE
life forms, which were ONLY being used as examples), and you have
eaten an elephant in one bite!
Atheists have no morals. All one has to do is take a look at the
American prison system. Nearly 76% of violent criminals are Christian
and NO, most of these Christians did not convert after conviction,
they were Christian at the time of the crime.
Talk about lies!
In fact, such leaders as Chuck Colson and MYSELF can attest to the
fact that MANY criminals become Christians during their prison terms.
john w
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