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"The Spew Queen" |
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16 Oct 2005 02:22:04 PM |
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Christian Lies |
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus’ existence. I had to make this page so
that I could collect some common lies told and present the truth
behind the matter. There are hundreds of things I feel compelled to
discuss but I shall limit it to a top five list. The top five lies
Christian’s tell:
Darwin recanted on his deathbed. This is completely fabricated and has
no foundation in truth whatsoever. A woman named “Lady Hope” spoke to
a church group shortly after the death of Charles Darwin. She claimed
that she was at Darwin’s bedside on the day of his death. She also
claimed that Darwin recanted on evolution and accepted Jesus on his
deathbed. Her claims are not only unsupported, but are directly
opposed by Darwin’s daughter, Henrietta. Henrietta stated “I was
present at his deathbed, Lady Hope was not present during his last
illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any
case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or
belief. My father never recanted any of his scientific views, either
then or earlier. I am upset that the U.S. Christians have fabricated
this conversion nonsense. The whole story has no foundation
whatever.” February 23, 1922.
Evolution has been proven false (is only a theory). Evolution can be
divided into two parts, macro and micro. Micro evolution is a fact,
where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact
steps of the evolutionary process. EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN we simply
can’t trace the exact evolutionary steps of the of the 3 trillion plus
species on earth. Considering there is no way that we can even prove
if we have located all the species on earth, this may always remain a
theory. We can prove though, beyond a doubt, that humans have
evolved. We can trace it back conclusively 3.6 million years. 97% of
all scientists accept evolution (so does the Catholic Church).
Christians have spread lies about this excessively, they especially
like to say evolution preaches that Humans evolved from monkeys.
Evolution does not state that humans evolved from monkeys, that idea
is completely absurd. Science states that monkeys and humans evolved
from a shared forefather and are hence relatives, (all primates are)
but we are in no way direct descendants of them.
Atheists have no morals. All one has to do is take a look at the
American prison system. Nearly 76% of violent criminals are Christian
and NO, most of these Christians did not convert after conviction,
they were Christian at the time of the crime. The greatest genocides
in human history stemmed from the Christian faith. If you examine
secular societies in comparison to religious societies; secular
societies will consistently have less crime, unemployment, corruption
and more freedom, share of wealth and a higher standard of living.
Nearly EVERY single advancement towards morality (I.E: ceasing native
genocide, freeing the slaves and women’s suffrage) was OPPOSED by the
church and Christian organizations.
This United States is a country founded on Christianity. This is the
biggest sack of horse ***** and only an EXTREME MORON would believe
something this retarded. The VERY FIRST AMENDMENT of the constitution
is based on the Separation of church and state. The paramount reason
why the forefathers came to this country was for religious freedom.
They listed it as their top goal in forming America. Matter of fact
most of the fore fathers weren’t even Christian, but deist, atheist
and agnostic. I could site thousands of quotes which ***** on this lie
from Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Paine, etc. but I shouldn’t need
to, considering the reading of the constitution is a 4th grade
curriculum requirement.
There are no atheists in foxholes. I hear this one on a weekly basis
and it never ceases to amuse/disgust me. One third of the world’s
population does not believe in a deity. The largest concentration of
free thinkers is found in Asia, which participated in each world war
and have been feuding over territory with the surrounding regions for
thousands of years (especially Japan and China). My father is an
atheist and served during the Berlin Crisis. I am an atheist and
though I wasn’t in a fox hole, I faced death while giving birth and I
tell you that the thought about God NEVER crossed my mind when I heard
my condition could be fatal. I have had the privilege to meet
hundreds of atheists who served in WW2 and Vietnam, each of whom sat
in fox holes. For more information about atheists in the military see
the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers website.
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| User: "Horai" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Lies |
16 Oct 2005 04:52:23 PM |
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The Spew Queen wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus’ existence.
I have to agree. That is why Julius Caesar never existed. And the Roman
Empire a myth
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| User: "Del" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Lies |
17 Oct 2005 02:24:43 PM |
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Horai wrote:
The Spew Queen wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there i s
conclusive evidence for Jesus' existence.
I have to agree. That is why Julius Caesar never existed. And the Roman
Empire a myth
Nice try but there are no contemporary accounts of Jesus at all. The
Gospels were written no earlier than 70 AD. Pauls epistles about
20 years before that. The Gospels contradict one another. Two
conflicting geneologies are given for Jesus. Even his date of alleged
birth is contradictory.
One historian who should have at least mentioned Jesus
but did not was Philo-Judaeus. John E. Remsburg, in
"The Christ" wrote:
"Philo was born before the beginning of the Christian era
and lived long after the reputed death of Christ. He wrote
an account of the Jews covering the entire time that Christ
is said to have existed on earth. He was living in or near
Jerusalem when Christ's miraculous birth and Herodian
massacre occurred. He was there when Christ made his triumphal
entry into Jerusalem. He was there when the crucifixion and
its attendant earthquake, supernatural darkness, and
resurrection of the dead took place...These marvelous events
which must have filled the world with amazement, had they
really occurred, were unknown to him."
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Lies |
16 Oct 2005 05:45:38 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:52:23 -0400, Horai <Hollwed@are.ru> wrote:
The Spew Queen wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus’ existence.
I have to agree. That is why Julius Caesar never existed. And the Roman
Empire a myth
How so, moron? Julius Caesar is a conclusion drawn from evidence.
Jesus is a religious belief without any evidence. I'm sure that even
you can tell the difference. So why be so dishonest?
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Lies |
16 Oct 2005 05:59:51 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:52:23 -0400, Horai <Hollwed@are.ru> wrote:
I have to agree. That is why Julius Caesar never existed. And the Roman
Empire a myth
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/exist.html
Katt.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Lies |
17 Oct 2005 06:54:21 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:52:23 -0400, Horai <Hollwed@are.ru> wrote:
The Spew Queen wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus’ existence.
I have to agree. That is why Julius Caesar never existed. And the Roman
Empire a myth
Odd since there is tons of evidence to suggest otherwise. That strange
wall across England 100 miles north of here. And what about that
mysterious road on Blackstone Edge a few miles to the West?
I even remember seeing an ancient pillar in an ancient part of Rome
with carving of soldiers on a campaign. I don't ever recall seeing
similar archaeological evidence of the existence of a Jesus Christ
though nor of Robin Hood or King Arthur for that matter. Ditto
Bilbo Baggins and Superman
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Lies |
17 Oct 2005 07:54:50 AM |
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Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in
news:0q37l11thppa55koqld22eprpd2peqdgq6@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:52:23 -0400, Horai <Hollwed@are.ru> wrote:
The Spew Queen wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus’ existence.
I have to agree. That is why Julius Caesar never existed. And the Roman
Empire a myth
[.. beautiful examples of roman archaeological history snipped ..]
I don't ever recall seeing
similar archaeological evidence of the existence of a Jesus Christ
though nor of Robin Hood or King Arthur for that matter. Ditto
Bilbo Baggins and Superman
Les Hellawell
But there is a big difference - we know the primary-sources of the
history of superman and bilbo baggins.
That makes them *much* more credible than most of the above.
How come there's an org for the FSM and not bilbo? He's got hairy feet!
He smokes a pipe and likes ale! He's borderline obese and likes eggs and
ham!
Someone needs to start another cult to compete with the scientologists.
At least the bilbo cultists would have at least THREE good movies as
opposed to 'battlefield earth'.
Jesus.
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| User: "*Gods - Creator*" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Lies |
17 Oct 2005 11:58:31 AM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:52:23 -0400, Horai <Hollwed@are.ru> wrote:
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The Spew Queen wrote:
Common lies Christians tell that are ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
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I deal with Christian lies on a daily basis. These lies range
from the myth that Einstein was a theist, to the claim that there is
conclusive evidence for Jesus=E2=80=99 existence.=20
I have to agree. That is why Julius Caesar never existed. And the Roman=
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Empire a myth
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Odd since there is tons of evidence to suggest otherwise. That strange
wall across England 100 miles north of here. And what about that
mysterious road on Blackstone Edge a few miles to the West?
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I even remember seeing an ancient pillar in an ancient part of Rome
with carving of soldiers on a campaign. I don't ever recall seeing
similar archaeological evidence of the existence of a Jesus Christ
though nor of Robin Hood or King Arthur for that matter. Ditto
Bilbo Baggins and Superman
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Les Hellawell
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Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive *****!)
The *Dead Sea Scrolls* never mentioned Jesus either, although
they were written around about Jesus's lifetime.
http://metalab.unc.edu/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/intro.html
Old' Julius Caesar made _dam_ sure people would *REMEMBER* him...
Caius Julius Caesar
Born: 17 July 100 BC - 1th March 44 BC
Reigned 49 - 44 BC
http://www.24carat.co.uk/juliuscaesarframe.html
Somebody please remember, *I IS*
GOD'S CREATOR
...That was my only sin... :(
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Wise men challenge the unknown seeking more wisdom, others
fall on their hands and knees, close their eyes... and mumble...
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http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
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| User: "Del" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Lies |
17 Oct 2005 02:08:12 PM |
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The Spew Queen wrote:
Evolution has been proven false (is only a theory). Evolution can be
divided into two parts, macro and micro. Micro evolution is a fact,
where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact
steps of the evolutionary process.
You make the same error that fundies do. You think "theory"
means speculation or guess when it doesn't mean that at all in
science. Evolution (micro and macro) is a fact and it is a theory,
or set of theories. Macro evolution is OBSERVED to happen.
Get it? Evolution is both fact and theory. In science "theory"
isn't something less certain than a fact.
This is the statement from the National Academy of Science:
Is Evolution a fact or a theory?
The theory of evolution explains how life on earth has
changed. In scientific terms, "theory" does not mean "guess"
or "hunch" as it does in everyday usage. Scientific theories are
explanations of natural phenomena built up logically from
testable observations and hypotheses. Biological
evolution is the best scientific explanation we have for the
enormous range of observations about the living world.
Scientists most often use the word "fact" to describe an
observation. But scientists can also use fact to mean something
that has been tested or observed so many times that there is no
longer a compelling reason to keep testing or looking for
examples. The occurrence of evolution in this sense is a fact.
Scientists no longer question whether descent with
modification occurred because the evidence supporting the idea
is so strong.
-= End Quote =-
EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN we simply
can't trace the exact evolutionary steps of the of the 3 trillion plus
species on earth. Considering there is no way that we can even prove
if we have located all the species on earth, this may always remain a
theory.
Please. You aren't doing science any favors by misstating
the situation.
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This United States is a country founded on Christianity. This is the
biggest sack of horse ***** and only an EXTREME MORON would believe
something this retarded. The VERY FIRST AMENDMENT of the constitution
is based on the Separation of church and state. The paramount reason
why the forefathers came to this country was for religious freedom.
You are conflating two different things. The founders of this country
weren't immigrants. There was 150 years between the landing of the
Mayflower and the revolution/founding of the United states.
They listed it as their top goal in forming America.
Where is this list?
Matter of fact
most of the fore fathers weren't even Christian, but deist, atheist
and agnostic.
::sigh:: You are a wealth of misinformation.
I could site thousands of quotes which ***** on this lie
from Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Paine, etc.
By all means, quote Washington. And did you know that
Jefferson said he was a Christian? He had his own unique
definition of the term as he applied it to himself, but
nevertheless he said it, unbeknownst to you. So unless you
are a stealth fundy trying to make atheists look bad, please
do your homework before you troll a half-dozen religious
groups from alt.atheism. In fact don't troll religious groups
from a.a. at all. We get on fundies' cases when they do it to
a.a. You just weaken that criticism when you do the same
thing they do.
In any event, you said "most of the fore fathers weren't even
Christian" but you only mentioned 4 names, all of them
_founders_ . But there were, for instance, 39 (out of 55) delegates
who subscribed to the Constitution. So show me that most of
them weren't Christians. I don't think you can.
but I shouldn't need
to, considering the reading of the constitution is a 4th grade
curriculum requirement.
There are no atheists in foxholes. I hear this one on a weekly basis
and it never ceases to amuse/disgust me. One third of the world's
population does not believe in a deity.
Citation?
The largest concentration of
free thinkers is found in Asia,
Huh?
which participated in each world war
and have been feuding over territory with the surrounding regions for
thousands of years (especially Japan and China). My father is an
atheist and served during the Berlin Crisis. I am an atheist and
though I wasn't in a fox hole, I faced death while giving birth and I
tell you that the thought about God NEVER crossed my mind when I heard
my condition could be fatal. I have had the privilege to meet
hundreds of atheists who served in WW2 and Vietnam, each of whom sat
in fox holes. For more information about atheists in the military see
the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers website.e
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