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29 Apr 2007 07:01:37 PM |
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Christian Nationalists rewriting history. |
Hey, Pat! Lying's a sin! Remember?
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Pat Robertson's Christian Nationalist Extravaganza
By Frederick Clarkson Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 11:33:40 PM EST
There is a Christian nationalist extravaganza going on this weekend in
Virginia Beach, Virginia. It's a radical effort to capture American
history in a way in which Christian rightists cast themselves as the
protagonists of America's story. And people like you and me are but
interlopers in God's grand scheme.
The occasion is the 400th anniversary of Capt. John Smith's landing at
Jamestown. While the state of Virginia is hosting its own party,
televangelist Pat Robertson will lead an alternative for those who, like
its stage manager John Blanchard, say: "We want to reaffirm our
Christian roots - we are a Christian country."
The Assembly 2007, being held April 26-29th, is technically part of the
official festivities. Yet not all Americans are invited to attend. The
Robertson wing of the religious right i seeking to rally people who have
come to see themselves as the True inheritors of the once and future
Christian Nation. Speaker after famous evangelical speaker will say so.
What God intended. What the Founding Fathers intended. What great things
are expected of ordinary people in these extraordinary times. As
Blanchard told The Virginian-Pilot newspaper, "They did come ashore
dragging a cross... We were started as a Christian nation and I feel
it's God's purpose we stay a Christian nation."
The event looms large in the imagination of a growing dimension of the
religious right that doesn't get much media attention: Christian
nationalism. The idea that America was founded as a distinctly Christian
nation, and that Christians of a particular sort should, as Robertson
once put it, "rule and reign," has been a central animating idea of this
part of the Christian right for a generation. Followers regularly
consume a growing body of counter-cultural literature and films and see
that their children are indoctrinated in this revisionist rendering of
American history. They will also get to watch coverage of Assembly 2007
on Christian TV. And The Landing, (a film that treats the Jamestown
landing as a Christian story), produced by Robertson's Christian
Broadcasting Network, will air on ABC's mainstream Family Channel as
part of the Jamestown extravaganza.
Those traveling to Virginia can attend a "Consecration Conference" at a
local megachurch, which will weave worship services with politics and
indoctrination in Christian historical revisionism. Or they can go to
the beach for a costumed reenactment of the landing and plant white
crosses in the sand -- the crossbars emblazoned with One Nation Under
God, are available for $14.95 for planting at home as well.
This dramatic ritual is intended to show that "you dedicate your church,
family, and nation to God!" in commemoration of "April 29, 1607, [when]
a young Anglican chaplain, Robert Hunt, planted a cross on what is now
known as Cape Henry, dedicating the new land for the purposes of God."
Despite the historical revisionism, the colony was far from a Christian
mission to Virginia. The London Company, which was behind the venture,
pooled investors interested in making money. For years, it floundered
badly. Eventually, the company gave up the commercial charter and
control reverted to the Crown. The gauzy view of Christians claiming the
land for Christ and King is clarified by history.
And far from creating a haven for religious liberty, as Joe Conn of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State notes after pulling
out his history books, "the London Company's November 20, 1606
'Articles, Instructions, and Orders' did, indeed, demand that the
prospective American colony 'provide that the true word, and service of
God and Christian faith be preached.' But the charter added that the
'true word' must be 'according to the doctrine, rights, and religion now
professed and established within our realme of England.'"
Thus, the business venture was made in cooperation with the England's
established Anglican Church, which was headed by the King. The colonial
government was to enforce religious conformity - sometimes with the
death penalty -- not religious freedom.
More than a century and half later, Thomas Jefferson, himself a member
of an Anglican parish, summarized this bitter history in his book Notes
on the State of Virginia : "The poor Quakers were flying from
persecution in England," Jefferson wrote -- only to be persecuted in the
New World, their assemblies and books banned, and neighbors prosecuted
for invited Quakers into their homes. There was even a three strikes and
you're out death penalty provision for "any master of a vessel to bring
a Quaker into the state."
Given Jefferson and other revolutionaries' concern about government
sanctioned churches, they ensured the Constitution of the United States
in no way declares a covenant with God, acknowledges a god, or in any
way infers America as a distinctly Christian nation. The founders were
very clear in the need for religious freedom and equality under the law.
And yet the Assembly blurs that history: "We acknowledge that the Bible
is itself the government of the People, by the People, and for the
People" the organizers proclaim in their official document American
Covenant. "We realize, however, that we are a nation of differing and
often competing faiths, a body politic comprised of freemen, rather than
a religious dictatorship imposed upon the unwilling."
To say the least, these claims stand in dramatic tension with one
another. What's more this group ignores the more than 150 years of overt
religious persecution in Virginia that stands as the clear context of
how and why the Constitution and the First Amendment were written the
way they were. One cannot learn the lessons of a history ignored or
indeed, whitewashed.
[This post is adapted from my article, "History is Powerful," in the
Spring issue of The Public Eye].
Full discussion: story/2007/4/27/233340/313
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http://tinyurl.com/2wzlu5
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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29 Apr 2007 07:14:05 PM |
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If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
On Apr 29, 8:01 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hey, Pat! Lying's a sin! Remember?
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Pat Robertson's Christian Nationalist Extravaganza
By Frederick Clarkson Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 11:33:40 PM EST
There is a Christian nationalist extravaganza going on this weekend in
Virginia Beach, Virginia. It's a radical effort to capture American
history in a way in which Christian rightists cast themselves as the
protagonists of America's story. And people like you and me are but
interlopers in God's grand scheme.
The occasion is the 400th anniversary of Capt. John Smith's landing at
Jamestown. While the state of Virginia is hosting its own party,
televangelist Pat Robertson will lead an alternative for those who, like
its stage manager John Blanchard, say: "We want to reaffirm our
Christian roots - we are a Christian country."
The Assembly 2007, being held April 26-29th, is technically part of the
official festivities. Yet not all Americans are invited to attend. The
Robertson wing of the religious right i seeking to rally people who have
come to see themselves as the True inheritors of the once and future
Christian Nation. Speaker after famous evangelical speaker will say so.
What God intended. What the Founding Fathers intended. What great things
are expected of ordinary people in these extraordinary times. As
Blanchard told The Virginian-Pilot newspaper, "They did come ashore
dragging a cross... We were started as a Christian nation and I feel
it's God's purpose we stay a Christian nation."
The event looms large in the imagination of a growing dimension of the
religious right that doesn't get much media attention: Christian
nationalism. The idea that America was founded as a distinctly Christian
nation, and that Christians of a particular sort should, as Robertson
once put it, "rule and reign," has been a central animating idea of this
part of the Christian right for a generation. Followers regularly
consume a growing body of counter-cultural literature and films and see
that their children are indoctrinated in this revisionist rendering of
American history. They will also get to watch coverage of Assembly 2007
on Christian TV. And The Landing, (a film that treats the Jamestown
landing as a Christian story), produced by Robertson's Christian
Broadcasting Network, will air on ABC's mainstream Family Channel as
part of the Jamestown extravaganza.
Those traveling to Virginia can attend a "Consecration Conference" at a
local megachurch, which will weave worship services with politics and
indoctrination in Christian historical revisionism. Or they can go to
the beach for a costumed reenactment of the landing and plant white
crosses in the sand -- the crossbars emblazoned with One Nation Under
God, are available for $14.95 for planting at home as well.
This dramatic ritual is intended to show that "you dedicate your church,
family, and nation to God!" in commemoration of "April 29, 1607, [when]
a young Anglican chaplain, Robert Hunt, planted a cross on what is now
known as Cape Henry, dedicating the new land for the purposes of God."
Despite the historical revisionism, the colony was far from a Christian
mission to Virginia. The London Company, which was behind the venture,
pooled investors interested in making money. For years, it floundered
badly. Eventually, the company gave up the commercial charter and
control reverted to the Crown. The gauzy view of Christians claiming the
land for Christ and King is clarified by history.
And far from creating a haven for religious liberty, as Joe Conn of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State notes after pulling
out his history books, "the London Company's November 20, 1606
'Articles, Instructions, and Orders' did, indeed, demand that the
prospective American colony 'provide that the true word, and service of
God and Christian faith be preached.' But the charter added that the
'true word' must be 'according to the doctrine, rights, and religion now
professed and established within our realme of England.'"
Thus, the business venture was made in cooperation with the England's
established Anglican Church, which was headed by the King. The colonial
government was to enforce religious conformity - sometimes with the
death penalty -- not religious freedom.
More than a century and half later, Thomas Jefferson, himself a member
of an Anglican parish, summarized this bitter history in his book Notes
on the State of Virginia : "The poor Quakers were flying from
persecution in England," Jefferson wrote -- only to be persecuted in the
New World, their assemblies and books banned, and neighbors prosecuted
for invited Quakers into their homes. There was even a three strikes and
you're out death penalty provision for "any master of a vessel to bring
a Quaker into the state."
Given Jefferson and other revolutionaries' concern about government
sanctioned churches, they ensured the Constitution of the United States
in no way declares a covenant with God, acknowledges a god, or in any
way infers America as a distinctly Christian nation. The founders were
very clear in the need for religious freedom and equality under the law.
And yet the Assembly blurs that history: "We acknowledge that the Bible
is itself the government of the People, by the People, and for the
People" the organizers proclaim in their official document American
Covenant. "We realize, however, that we are a nation of differing and
often competing faiths, a body politic comprised of freemen, rather than
a religious dictatorship imposed upon the unwilling."
To say the least, these claims stand in dramatic tension with one
another. What's more this group ignores the more than 150 years of overt
religious persecution in Virginia that stands as the clear context of
how and why the Constitution and the First Amendment were written the
way they were. One cannot learn the lessons of a history ignored or
indeed, whitewashed.
[This post is adapted from my article, "History is Powerful," in the
Spring issue of The Public Eye].
Full discussion: story/2007/4/27/233340/313
---http://tinyurl.com/2wzlu5
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "johac" |
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30 Apr 2007 12:00:15 AM |
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In article <1177892045.004643.130850@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
On Apr 29, 8:01 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hey, Pat! Lying's a sin! Remember?
---
http://tinyurl.com/2wzlu5
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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30 Apr 2007 01:16:42 PM |
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On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
On Apr 29, 8:01 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hey, Pat! Lying's a sin! Remember?
---
http://tinyurl.com/2wzlu5
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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01 May 2007 12:03:55 AM |
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Codebreaker wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
The Constitution, however, is the law of the land. Don't like it? Leave.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
* if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, *
* and telepathically tell him that you accept him as *
* your master, so he can remove an evil force from *
* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
* to eat fruit from a magical tree. *
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01 May 2007 07:44:25 PM |
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On May 1, 1:03 am, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Codebreaker wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
The Constitution, however, is the law of the land. Don't like it? Leave.
The Law of he Land is flawed
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*-----------------------------------------------------*
* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
* if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, *
* and telepathically tell him that you accept him as *
* your master, so he can remove an evil force from *
* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
* to eat fruit from a magical tree. *
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02 May 2007 12:12:13 AM |
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Codebreaker wrote:
On May 1, 1:03 am, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Codebreaker wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
The Constitution, however, is the law of the land. Don't like it? Leave.
The Law of he Land is flawed
What in particular?
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*-----------------------------------------------------*
* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
* if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, *
* and telepathically tell him that you accept him as *
* your master, so he can remove an evil force from *
* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
* to eat fruit from a magical tree. *
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04 May 2007 07:36:30 AM |
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On Tue, 01 May 2007 22:12:13 -0700, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Codebreaker wrote:
The Law of he Land is flawed
What in particular?
It doesn't force everyone to follow Christian doctrine. In a flawed
mind, that's a flaw.
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| User: "cactus" |
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04 May 2007 10:53:14 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 01 May 2007 22:12:13 -0700, cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote:
Codebreaker wrote:
The Law of he Land is flawed
What in particular?
It doesn't force everyone to follow Christian doctrine. In a flawed
mind, that's a flaw.
Makes sense.His is flawed in some ways.
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| User: "johac" |
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30 Apr 2007 05:46:53 PM |
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In article <1177957002.871127.296630@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
Of course, but if you know anything about how the Constitution was
written you would know that the omission of religious references was
deliberate. Oh, wait. There is Article VI which says no religious test
shall be used as a qualification for office.
There is no evidence at all that the founders wanted a Theocracy.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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30 Apr 2007 06:43:45 PM |
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On Apr 30, 6:46 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
Of course, but if you know anything about how the Constitution was
written you would know that the omission of religious references was
deliberate. Oh, wait. There is Article VI which says no religious test
shall be used as a qualification for office.
That does not qualify one as religious. YOU SEE how they created
confusion deliberately by redefining religion according to their lack
of
knowledge and fancies ideas
There is no evidence at all that the founders wanted a Theocracy.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "johac" |
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30 Apr 2007 11:34:33 PM |
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In article <1177976625.859403.308460@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 6:46 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
Of course, but if you know anything about how the Constitution was
written you would know that the omission of religious references was
deliberate. Oh, wait. There is Article VI which says no religious test
shall be used as a qualification for office.
That does not qualify one as religious. YOU SEE how they created
confusion deliberately by redefining religion according to their lack
of
knowledge and fancies ideas
You have no idea as to what you are talking about, do you?
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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01 May 2007 02:11:46 AM |
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On Apr 30, 7:43 pm, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 6:46 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
Of course, but if you know anything about how the Constitution was
written you would know that the omission of religious references was
deliberate. Oh, wait. There is Article VI which says no religious test
shall be used as a qualification for office.
That does not qualify one as religious. YOU SEE how they created
confusion deliberately by redefining religion according to their lack
of
knowledge and fancies ideas
Kind of like how you do it, eh?
PDW
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01 May 2007 09:57:32 AM |
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On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, Codebreaker <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com>
wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
Huh? I didn't know angels could write - thought they only danced on
the head of a pin. The US is a secular nation - Xtianity was sort of
a lobbyist at the Convention.
WB Yeats
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30 Apr 2007 01:49:26 PM |
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On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296630@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
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Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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30 Apr 2007 02:57:24 PM |
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On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
We have been saying that the Constitution of the USA is not
apostolical.
It wrongly assumes that human being was born perfect and that
society turns him as bas as he is. That is not so. This is not
what the Apostles taught. Man was born sinner and it is only
with the help of Christ and his spirit that we can live a rightful
life.
The Framers missed that part delibarately, hence the societal chaos
we witness everyday. When money became the only motivation
it is chaos. Replace God with money and you will see the difference.
Codebreaker
--
Matt Silberstein
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30 Apr 2007 03:15:45 PM |
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<Tohu.Bohu@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177963044.591736.125830@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
We have been saying that the Constitution of the USA is not
apostolical.
It wrongly assumes that human being was born perfect and that
society turns him as bas as he is. That is not so. This is not
what the Apostles taught. Man was born sinner and it is only
with the help of Christ and his spirit that we can live a rightful
life.
The Framers missed that part delibarately, hence the societal chaos
we witness everyday. When money became the only motivation
it is chaos. Replace God with money and you will see the difference.
Codebreaker
HEY STUPID-WHATS PRINTED ON YOUR MONEY?IN GOD WE TRUST...THEREFORE-
MONEY IS GOD AND GOD IS MONEY.
DIPSHIT.
AND IF YOU BRONZE AGE THINKING MOTHER FUCKERS WANT TO TRY AND SHOVE YOUR
RELIGIOUS BELEIFS INTO AMERICAN LAW-AS THE METAL BAND JUDAS PRIEST SANG-YA
GOTTA ANOTHER THING COMIN!
YOU WEIRDO RELIGIOUS FUCKS KEEP PUSHING-YOUR GONNA MAKE YOUR BETTERS VERY
ANGRY WITH YOU..............
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30 Apr 2007 03:15:37 PM |
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wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
We have been saying that the Constitution of the USA is not
apostolical.
It wrongly assumes that human being was born perfect and that
society turns him as bas as he is.
Where does the Constitution discuss human perfection?
Were you thinking of the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that
humans are endowed with certain inalienable rights? That's not
perfection either.
Where did you get the notion?
That is not so. This is not
what the Apostles taught. Man was born sinner and it is only
with the help of Christ and his spirit that we can live a rightful
life.
The Framers missed that part delibarately, hence the societal chaos
we witness everyday.
And we are currently the most powerful empire on the planet. The
religion-based ones have all failed.
When money became the only motivation
it is chaos. Replace God with money and you will see the difference.
Many people came here for freedom, my parents and grandparents among
them. They did decently financially, but that wasn't the reason they
came - it was a matter of life and death for them.
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30 Apr 2007 06:39:02 PM |
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On Apr 30, 4:15 pm, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
We have been saying that the Constitution of the USA is not
apostolical.
It wrongly assumes that human being was born perfect and that
society turns him as bas as he is.
Where does the Constitution discuss human perfection?
Were you thinking of the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that
humans are endowed with certain inalienable rights? That's not
perfection either.
It is not discussed, it is implied you stupid Jew. Now you can have
your say
but it won't be for long
Where did you get the notion?
That is not so. This is not
what the Apostles taught. Man was born sinner and it is only
with the help of Christ and his spirit that we can live a rightful
life.
The Framers missed that part delibarately, hence the societal chaos
we witness everyday.
And we are currently the most powerful empire on the planet. The
religion-based ones have all failed.
When money became the only motivation
it is chaos. Replace God with money and you will see the difference.
Many people came here for freedom, my parents and grandparents among
them. They did decently financially, but that wasn't the reason they
came - it was a matter of life and death for them.
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30 Apr 2007 09:34:04 PM |
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Codebreaker <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
news:1177976342.749785.190950@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
It is not discussed, it is implied you stupid Jew.
Jesus was a Jew, you ignorant *****.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "cactus" |
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30 Apr 2007 10:50:14 PM |
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Doc Smartass wrote:
Codebreaker <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
news:1177976342.749785.190950@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
It is not discussed, it is implied you stupid Jew.
Jesus was a Jew, you ignorant *****.
He may belong to the Church of Jesus Christ, Christian. It's one of the
Identity churches.
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30 Apr 2007 08:07:00 PM |
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Codebreaker wrote:
On Apr 30, 4:15 pm, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
We have been saying that the Constitution of the USA is not
apostolical.
It wrongly assumes that human being was born perfect and that
society turns him as bas as he is.
Where does the Constitution discuss human perfection?
Were you thinking of the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that
humans are endowed with certain inalienable rights? That's not
perfection either.
It is not discussed, it is implied you stupid Jew. Now you can have
your say
but it won't be for long
It's not implied anywhere. Maybe you could provide a citation or
legitimate commentary to support your position. Invective is not valid
as an argument.
And I will have my say as long as I choose.
Where did you get the notion?
That is not so. This is not
what the Apostles taught. Man was born sinner and it is only
with the help of Christ and his spirit that we can live a rightful
life.
The Framers missed that part delibarately, hence the societal chaos
we witness everyday.
And we are currently the most powerful empire on the planet. The
religion-based ones have all failed.
When money became the only motivation
it is chaos. Replace God with money and you will see the difference.
Many people came here for freedom, my parents and grandparents among
them. They did decently financially, but that wasn't the reason they
came - it was a matter of life and death for them.
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01 May 2007 02:07:48 AM |
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On Apr 30, 7:39 pm, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 4:15 pm, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
We have been saying that the Constitution of the USA is not
apostolical.
It wrongly assumes that human being was born perfect and that
society turns him as bas as he is.
Where does the Constitution discuss human perfection?
Were you thinking of the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that
humans are endowed with certain inalienable rights? That's not
perfection either.
It is not discussed, it is implied you stupid Jew. Now you can have
your say
but it won't be for long
No.
Your threats are meaningless.
PDW
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04 May 2007 08:12:50 AM |
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On May 1, 3:07 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 7:39 pm, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 4:15 pm, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
We have been saying that the Constitution of the USA is not
apostolical.
It wrongly assumes that human being was born perfect and that
society turns him as bas as he is.
Where does the Constitution discuss human perfection?
Were you thinking of the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that
humans are endowed with certain inalienable rights? That's not
perfection either.
It is not discussed, it is implied you stupid Jew. Now you can have
your say
but it won't be for long
No.
Your threats are meaningless.
PDW- Hide quoted text -
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I hate to be guilty of tripping over Godwin's law(as it is today) but,
man, Codebreaker makes it hard not to.
Really...hard...not...to.
Hatter
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30 Apr 2007 10:53:08 PM |
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On Apr 30, 7:39 pm, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 4:15 pm, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
We have been saying that the Constitution of the USA is not
apostolical.
It wrongly assumes that human being was born perfect and that
society turns him as bas as he is.
Where does the Constitution discuss human perfection?
Were you thinking of the Declaration of Independence, which asserts that
humans are endowed with certain inalienable rights? That's not
perfection either.
It is not discussed, it is implied you stupid Jew. Now you can have
your say
but it won't be for long
<piggybacking>
Are you even an american, cb?
And if indeed you are, were you born in the USA, or are you an
immigrant?
In either case, why do you spit on the US Constitution?
You're just an ignorant, powerless crypto-islamo-christiano fascist.
Olrik
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30 Apr 2007 02:15:28 PM |
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On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
You sure can't get it, can you?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.orghttp://www.darfurgenocide.orghttp://www.savedarfur.org
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30 Apr 2007 03:00:46 PM |
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On 30 Apr 2007 12:15:28 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> in
<1177960528.896828.14180@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
You sure can't get it, can you?
The Ship Sails At Midnight.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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30 Apr 2007 02:20:57 PM |
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On Apr 30, 2:15 pm, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
You sure can't get it, can you?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.orghttp://www.darfurgenocide.orghttp://www.save...
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Actually, I don't either. What are you talking about? Are you saying
that the United States was founded with Christianity as the national
religion? That's nonsense. Good heavens, which version of
Christianity?
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30 Apr 2007 02:58:53 PM |
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On Apr 30, 3:20 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:15 pm, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
You sure can't get it, can you?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.orghttp://www.darfurgenocide.orghttp://www.save...
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Actually, I don't either. What are you talking about? Are you saying
that the United States was founded with Christianity as the national
religion? That's nonsense. Good heavens, which version of
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30 Apr 2007 03:16:13 PM |
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wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:20 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:15 pm, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
You sure can't get it, can you?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.orghttp://www.darfurgenocide.orghttp://www.save...
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Actually, I don't either. What are you talking about? Are you saying
that the United States was founded with Christianity as the national
religion? That's nonsense. Good heavens, which version of
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30 Apr 2007 06:40:15 PM |
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On Apr 30, 4:16 pm, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:20 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:15 pm, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 11:16:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Codebreaker
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> in
<1177957002.871127.296...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:00 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1177892045.004643.130...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
If you don't like it go and drink from the SEA until it dries up
Why don't you go take a flying ***** at the moon?
The United States was founded as a secular nation. Go read the
Constitution.
The Constitutiion was not written by ANGELS but by human being
prone to mistakes...
And that mistake is what? The failure to mention God or Christ?
Putting in negative rules regarding religion (no religious test,
establishment clause)?
You sure can't get it, can you?
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Actually, I don't either. What are you talking about? Are you saying
that the United States was founded with Christianity as the national
religion? That's nonsense. Good heavens, which version of
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Yet Christianity informed some of the decision of the framers
I rather think it misinformed at least some of them as well.
That is the work of your tribal judaism
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