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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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12 Nov 2005 08:17:29 PM |
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Christian Nazis |
From The Washington Post, 11/12/05:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111101650..html
Group Trains Air Force Cadets to Proselytize
By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 12, 2005; Page A06
A private missionary group has assigned a pair of full-time Christian
ministers to the U.S. Air Force Academy, where they are training
cadets to evangelize among their peers, according to a confidential
letter to supporters.
The letter makes clear that the organized evangelization effort has
continued this year despite an outcry over alleged proselytizing at
the academy that has prompted a Pentagon investigation, congressional
hearings, a civil lawsuit and new Air Force guidelines on religion.
"Praise God that we have been allowed access by the Academy into the
cadet areas to minister among the cadets. We have recently been given
an unused classroom to meet with cadets at any time during the day,"
the husband-and-wife team of Darren and Gina Lindblom said in the Oct.
11 letter to their donors.
Following allegations of religious intolerance at the academy, the Air
Force issued interim guidelines in late August that caution senior
officers against discussing their faith with subordinates.
But the guidelines do not limit "voluntary, peer to peer discussions,"
and they do not say whether Air Force officials can provide office
space or other assistance to professional missionaries who train
cadets to evangelize among their peers.
The Lindbloms' letter was made public by Michael L. "Mikey" Weinstein,
a 1977 Air Force Academy alumnus who was a White House lawyer in the
Reagan administration.
He has filed a federal lawsuit accusing the Air Force of violating the
First Amendment's establishment clause by fostering evangelical
Christianity over all faiths.
Weinstein, who has been joined in the suit by four recent graduates of
the academy, said that some other religious groups are allowed onto
the academy's campus, but only during certain hours and under close
supervision by Air Force chaplains.
"The only group that gets 24/7 unrestricted access to cadets is this
fundamentalist, born-again Christian group," Weinstein charged.
The Lindbloms are not chaplains hired by the military.
They are private, full-time ministers assigned to the Air Force
Academy by the Navigators, a Colorado-based group whose motto is:
"To know Christ and to make Him known."
It began in 1933 as a ministry to sailors and now has missionaries in
104 countries, according to its Web site.
Reached by telephone at their home in Colorado Springs, the Lindbloms
declined to comment on their letter or their missionary work.
Lauren Libby, senior vice president and chief operating officer of the
Navigators, said the Lindbloms were assigned to the academy earlier
this year, replacing a previous young couple.
He said the Navigators have placed full-time staff members at the
academy for more than a decade.
"We're there as a spiritual resource to cadets," he said.
"We've had a very good experience there."
Libby also said that the Navigators are following the Air Force
guidelines, which have been criticized as infringing religious freedom
by more than 70 members of Congress and several Christian lobbying
groups, including Focus on the Family and the Christian Coalition.
"Those are the guidelines, and we honor them," Libby said.
In their letter, the Lindbloms referred several times to the
guidelines and to Weinstein's lawsuit, saying that "we are vitally
aware we are in the front lines of a spiritual battle."
They included photos of the Navigator Cadet Ministry Team, a group of
cadets who "have shown an interest in receiving training and
development to have a personal ministry among their peers at the
Academy," the letter said.
"Please pray for unprecedented wisdom for Gina and me as we coach
these cadets to live among the lost, sharing the Gospel in the midst
of this current climate. We must be so careful. Yet we do not wish to
squelch the passion of men like Daniel," a cadet who has vowed to
"impact the lives of 200 men with the Gospel" before he graduates,
Darren Lindblom wrote.
In a postscript, they said, "We respectfully request that you not
share this letter publicly. Due to the lawsuit recently filed, the
contents of this letter are confidential."
A spokesman for the Air Force Academy said the Navigators are one of
19 outside religious groups -- including Buddhist, Jewish, Catholic
and Mormon organizations -- that hold voluntary meetings on Mondays
from 6:30 to 8 p.m. in a program known as SPIRE, for Special Program
in Religious Education.
The groups are invited on campus at the request of cadets, and each is
assigned a room, but only for that 90-minute period once a week, said
the spokesman, John Van Winkle.
"They can't just use the room whenever they want. That would be a
violation of the memorandum of agreement they have to sign," he said.
Asked about the Lindbloms' assertion that they recently were given a
classroom to "meet with cadets at any time during the day," Van Winkle
said he would check.
He called back to amend his statement, saying the academy's chaplains
had set aside an extra room that any SPIRE group could use for
counseling cadets at other times.
Weinstein said the academy was "furiously spinning."
He said he had been told by people on campus, whom he declined to
identify, that the room was Fairchild Hall 2D11, in the academy's main
classroom building, and that only the Navigators have been using it.
Van Winkle said he did not know the room number or which other groups
had used it.
The Rev. MeLinda Morton, a Lutheran chaplain who resigned in June over
the religious climate at the academy, said the Navigators "used to
have an informal agreement that they could meet cadets in the
library."
But because that location was "too visible," she said, they were told
this year not to use it anymore.
Morton said the SPIRE program, which is limited to a few hours a week,
should not be confused with the Lindbloms' efforts to be in continual
contact with cadets throughout the week.
"This Navigator thing is a whole different thing," she said.
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Nazis |
13 Nov 2005 04:45:22 PM |
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Hello,
Well as a defective and due for destruction under the Christian Law of the
Anethema to God, similar to hitlers laws of racial purity where people with
bad genes were killed or castrated the Christians are doing the same.
Some time ago (many years) a lovely Christian Surgeon removed my testicals
without my consent and for a while I was very uncomfortable with empty
scrotum. However I went to a hospital where my personality was being
improved and asked for some new testicals. I said I was quite good at it
but it was very booring so then I said do you have a nice young man, good
looks and clever like with a PhD who has recently been killed in a road
accident so I can pass on his genes?
They said they had just the thing. So I only have healthy genes to pass on.
It worried me a bit at first, but in this new period of persecution of
anethemas it is quite nice to be able to say, "its all right, I have some
ones elses testicals through a testical transplant".
Much better than Hitler and I can still have a good time. Vasectomy might be
fun too because so many women want a vasectomised man to play with. I might
have had one of those too once, but it still seems to work.
If I have mated successfully the children are of this nice young man who
died in the 1960's.
Chris.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Nazis |
13 Nov 2005 02:38:40 AM |
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In article <11nd8hat98fr7f6@corp.supernews.com>,
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
From The Washington Post, 11/12/05:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR200511110165
0..html
Group Trains Air Force Cadets to Proselytize
By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 12, 2005; Page A06
A private missionary group has assigned a pair of full-time Christian
ministers to the U.S. Air Force Academy, where they are training
cadets to evangelize among their peers, according to a confidential
letter to supporters.
<snip>
Evangelization of the Armed Forces? Why? Is it for when the coup happens
so they will know which side they are on and what to do with all those
infidels and atheists out there?
This is scary.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Nazis |
13 Nov 2005 11:20:49 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote:
In article <11nd8hat98fr7f6@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
From The Washington Post, 11/12/05:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111101650..html
Evangelization of the Armed Forces? Why? Is it for when the coup happens
so they will know which side they are on and what to do with all those
infidels and atheists out there?
And the Bush regime wants the survivers of their atrocities in Iraq
to believe that he's not slaughtering their children for Jesus.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"Sex is only perverted if it implants voracious alien parasites in your
bladder or rectum." -- nu-monet v8.0
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Nazis |
13 Nov 2005 06:09:47 PM |
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In article <11netf17c168b16@corp.supernews.com>,
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote:
In article <11nd8hat98fr7f6@corp.supernews.com>,
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
From The Washington Post, 11/12/05:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR200511110
1650..html
Evangelization of the Armed Forces? Why? Is it for when the coup happens
so they will know which side they are on and what to do with all those
infidels and atheists out there?
And the Bush regime wants the survivers of their atrocities in Iraq
to believe that he's not slaughtering their children for Jesus.
He's letting some survive so that the missionaries he sends in can
'save' them.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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