Religions > Atheism > Christian Party Banned, Pedophile Party Welcomed In Progressive Netherlands
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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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02 Jun 2006 11:31:38 AM |
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Christian Party Banned, Pedophile Party Welcomed In Progressive Netherlands |
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
According to WorldNetDaily, pedophiles in the Netherlands are
registering a pedophile political party, the aim of which is to reduce
the the legal age of sexual relations from 16 to 12 and to legalize
bestiality.
The first question that springs to mind is: will the Somali Dutch
politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Robert Spencer's hero, support the legal
recognition of this pedophile party (that is, if she hasn't come to
America yet to take up her new perch at the American Enterprise
Institute)? Well, why not? She champions every kind of life-style
perversity, and seeks to exclude Christians and conservatives from
politics. Remember that last year when a Dutch court prohibited the
government from subsidizing a small Christian party opposed to
abortion, euthanasia, and homosexual marriage, Ali, as reported in the
Brussels Journal, supported the decision, "saying that any political
party discriminating against women or homosexuals should be deprived of
funding and, hence, effectively banned."
- end of initial entry -
After Robert Spencer replied to him on the question of Hirsi Ali, James
Harrison tried to post again at Jihad Watch but the thread was closed.
(A comment I tried to post was blocked even while the thread was still
open, so Spencer, who opened a new thread for the specific purpose of
carrying on an attack against me, would not allow me to defend myself.)
Mr. Harrison has sent his unposted comment to me and here it is:
Thanks for responding, Robert.
I'm not exactly sure as to how the race discussion or contention,
along with your perceived misunderstandings, pertain to my post.
Now, about Ayaan Hirsi Ali: She has sought to ban Christian and
conservative parties in Europe. Additionally, she has crusaded for
women's and homosexual rights. She has also equated immigration
restrictionists with Nazis.
You can read more about Hirsi Ali, particularly her agenda that seeks
to undermine the West, conservativism, traditionalism and the Christian
religion, by clicking on the many links that Larry provided in the
previous thread you made about him.
It seems very clear that Hirsi Ali wishes to dismantle religion
altogether; and this includes both Islam and Christianity.-Certainly,
Mr. Spencer, you see this as true, or at least moderately true, right?
Under normal circumstances, conservativism is closely tied with
religion and shares a multitude of similarities; so if religion
dissipates, just like Hirsi Ali wants, conservativism will dissipate as
well.
You said that you value the Judeo-Christian West, along with our
culture and people. Hirisi Ali, apparently, values us little; and her
secularist ideas, along with her secularist advocations, clearly
indicate that she wishes to dismantle us.
With this in mind, here are three questions:
How could an alliance with her bring us, the Jihadist resistance, any
benefit?
If it could bring us a benefit, would the disadvantages outweigh, and
therefore negate, the advantages?
If the Jihad is brought to an end, or at least minimized to the point
of little significance, how will you regard, and what will you think
of, Hirsi Ali and the threat of her secularism?
One last question: It appears that you're ceaselessly painting Larry
with a negative connotation in all of your posts; and I'm wondering:
why?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Party Banned, Pedophile Party Welcomed In Progressive Netherlands |
04 Jun 2006 07:13:35 AM |
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:57:24 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:09:45 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:38:40 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
The ***** introduces a dishonest red herring.
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it
would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
Where did I say that, liar?
Well, liar?
Far too many dishonest theists substitute the word "believe" for what
is actually used and carries a different meaning, so they can
equivocate and pretend people say things they don't.
As you did.
Love is an emotion we all feel, observe in others etc.
Prove it empirically, Christopher. Prove what you feel is "love" and not
something glandular.
Why don't you admit your dishonest bait'n'switch from your universal
claims that your pretend friend exists in reality and is all that
stops people from doing bad things? To one person's own emotions?
Which you used in order to be deliberately nasty towards atheists.
I predict you'll snip this yet again.
Demonstrate your pretend friend's existence to the same level of
confidence as love. Then demonstrate that it is required in order for
people to be moral.
What "level of confidence", Christopher? Whose "confidence"? Yours?
Mine? Mark Bilbo's?
Translation: you know you've been caught out and introduce yet another
dishonest diversion.
Your BELIEF in it certainly hasn't made you moral. It has turned you
into an unthinking, droolingly nasty sociopath.
You substitute insults for reason, Christopher.
Liar. You snip the reason and pretend it's not there.
I know you are an intellectual coward but why demonstrate the fact
with every post??
Says the dishonest, thoroughly nasty piece of work who snipped the
rest of the response.
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Party Banned, Pedophile Party Welcomed In Progressive Netherlands |
04 Jun 2006 07:22:54 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:57:24 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:09:45 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:7c1482ponrhi85fsqrrk22rma3pqtsice4@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:38:40 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:krv382dbn25lfiljd54up1ttdvab8benga@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149312900.529378.151660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the
way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
The ***** introduces a dishonest red herring.
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it
would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
Where did I say that, liar?
Well, liar?
Far too many dishonest theists substitute the word "believe" for what
is actually used and carries a different meaning, so they can
equivocate and pretend people say things they don't.
So you *don't "love" people? If so, present proof.
As you did.
Love is an emotion we all feel, observe in others etc.
Prove it empirically, Christopher. Prove what you feel is "love" and not
something glandular.
Why don't you admit your dishonest bait'n'switch from your universal
claims that your pretend friend exists in reality and is all that
stops people from doing bad things?
Your "morality" prevents you from "doing bad things", Christopher?
Prove it?
You can't, can you?
To one person's own emotions?
Which you used in order to be deliberately nasty towards atheists.
I'm asking you to prove things you don't seem to be able to, Christopher.
That's not "nasty". That's showing what a hypocrite you are.
***
Prove you "love" anyone, Christopher.
Prove you have "morality".
Make it scientific, empirical, rational, logical and put it here--------->>>
You can't do it, can you?
You'll pretend this weakness of yours is just a 'red herring' again, won't
you?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Party Banned, Pedophile Party Welcomed In Progressive Netherlands |
04 Jun 2006 07:43:24 AM |
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:22:54 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:57:24 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:09:45 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:38:40 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149312900.529378.151660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the
way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
The ***** introduces a dishonest red herring.
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it
would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
Where did I say that, liar?
Well, liar?
Far too many dishonest theists substitute the word "believe" for what
is actually used and carries a different meaning, so they can
equivocate and pretend people say things they don't.
So you *don't "love" people? If so, present proof.
Where did I say that, liar?
As you did.
Love is an emotion we all feel, observe in others etc.
Prove it empirically, Christopher. Prove what you feel is "love" and not
something glandular.
Why don't you admit your dishonest bait'n'switch from your universal
claims that your pretend friend exists in reality and is all that
stops people from doing bad things?
Your "morality" prevents you from "doing bad things", Christopher?
Another dishonest red herring. Yours certainy doesn't stop you. The
rest of us gauge our actions by the effect on others. Something a
brainwashed sociopathic fundamentalist who has had this replaced by
what his religion says, is incapable of grasping.
Prove it?
Prove what, moron? Another of your bait'n'switches from the universal
to the subjective?
You can't, can you?
You're asking me to prove that my subjective emotions are as I
describe, while refusing to bac up your own universal claims.
I was right. You snipped this yet again. Bt then you're an
intellectually dishonest, cornered theist who has been called on hs
own nastiness.
To one person's own emotions?
Which you used in order to be deliberately nasty towards atheists.
I'm asking you to prove things you don't seem to be able to, Christopher.
That's not "nasty". That's showing what a hypocrite you are.
Hardly, liar.
You made the slanderous universal claim that without your pretend
friend to keep us in line atheists couldn't be moral.
And ignored all responses.
Then did a dishonest bait'n'switch from the universal which you think
is objective, to subjective emotions.
***
Prove you "love" anyone, Christopher.
Why, dishonestly nasty and sanctimonious hypocrite?
Prove you have "morality".
Prove you have a thinking mind.
Make it scientific, empirical, rational, logical and put it here--------->>>
You haven't a shred of honesty.
You can't do it, can you?
There is nothing to do, disnonest brainwashed sanctimoniously nasty
hypocrite.
You'll pretend this weakness of yours is just a 'red herring' again, won't
you?
What "weakness", liar?
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Party Banned, Pedophile Party Welcomed In Progressive Netherlands |
05 Jun 2006 06:09:34 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:22:54 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:94j582dr53h8vv7vtesdq9msib8uhu4k24@4ax.com...
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:57:24 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:v3g582p02jf5e1odabdb50ci6d5hs9ticj@4ax.com...
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:09:45 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:7c1482ponrhi85fsqrrk22rma3pqtsice4@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:38:40 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:krv382dbn25lfiljd54up1ttdvab8benga@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149312900.529378.151660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the
way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your
pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
The ***** introduces a dishonest red herring.
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it
would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
Where did I say that, liar?
Well, liar?
Far too many dishonest theists substitute the word "believe" for what
is actually used and carries a different meaning, so they can
equivocate and pretend people say things they don't.
So you *don't "love" people? If so, present proof.
Where did I say that, liar?
As you did.
Love is an emotion we all feel, observe in others etc.
Prove it empirically, Christopher. Prove what you feel is "love" and not
something glandular.
Why don't you admit your dishonest bait'n'switch from your universal
claims that your pretend friend exists in reality and is all that
stops people from doing bad things?
Your "morality" prevents you from "doing bad things", Christopher?
Another dishonest red herring. Yours certainy doesn't stop you. The
rest of us gauge our actions by the effect on others. Something a
brainwashed sociopathic fundamentalist who has had this replaced by
what his religion says, is incapable of grasping.
Prove it?
Prove what, moron? Another of your bait'n'switches from the universal
to the subjective?
Love is subjective? Are you the only one who feels love, Christopher?
Prove it.
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: Christian Party Banned, Pedophile Party Welcomed In Progressive Netherlands |
04 Jun 2006 07:50:28 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:22:54 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:57:24 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:09:45 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:7c1482ponrhi85fsqrrk22rma3pqtsice4@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:38:40 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:krv382dbn25lfiljd54up1ttdvab8benga@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149312900.529378.151660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the
way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your
pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
The ***** introduces a dishonest red herring.
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it
would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
Where did I say that, liar?
Well, liar?
Far too many dishonest theists substitute the word "believe" for what
is actually used and carries a different meaning, so they can
equivocate and pretend people say things they don't.
So you *don't "love" people? If so, present proof.
Where did I say that, liar?
Don't lie, Christopher. You spoke of your "loved ones" and yet your
unwillingness or
inability to actually *prove anything about any "love" you say you feel
makes me
suspicious of what you say.
Does it make you uncomfortable to be asked to prove your assertions,
Christopher?
After demanding "proof" of the existance of God for so many years, does it
make you
feel weak to find you can't even prove the existance of an emotion you claim
to feel?
Think about it.....
As you did.
Love is an emotion we all feel, observe in others etc.
Prove it empirically, Christopher. Prove what you feel is "love" and not
something glandular.
Why don't you admit your dishonest bait'n'switch from your universal
claims that your pretend friend exists in reality and is all that
stops people from doing bad things?
Your "morality" prevents you from "doing bad things", Christopher?
Another dishonest red herring. Yours certainy doesn't stop you. The
rest of us gauge our actions by the effect on others.
You can't read minds, Christopher. You can't know "the effect on others".
Something a
brainwashed sociopathic fundamentalist who has had this replaced by
what his religion says, is incapable of grasping.
I can grasp that your understanding of your own beliefs is very shallow.
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03 Jun 2006 05:05:44 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:38:40 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
How interesting....
The typically dishonest theist liar puts words into people's mouths.
Fine, Christopher. Prove me wrong.
Here's your big chance to make a monkey out of me, young man.
Prove you "love people".
A dishonest idiot using a transparent red herring to avoid admitting
that people are moral without his pretend friend. It certainly hasn't
made him decent, honest and truthful.
Your claim to being moral Christopher is what? That you have "loved ones"
and you behave "morally"? Where's the proof?
You have no basis for your "morality" that you can prove exists,
Christopher.
Think about it.
Put the proof right here ---------->>>
No proof? I'm not surprised.
You're really a lightweight in this, aren't you? Got nothing but to call
people
you hate 'liar', do you?
Thought so....
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03 Jun 2006 05:31:24 PM |
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:05:44 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
That was a dishonest red herring on your part.
But thank you for admitting your Santa Claus equivalent is all that is
stopping you.
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
How interesting....
The typically dishonest theist liar puts words into people's mouths.
Fine, Christopher. Prove me wrong.
Here's your big chance to make a monkey out of me, young man.
Prove you "love people".
A dishonest idiot using a transparent red herring to avoid admitting
that people are moral without his pretend friend. It certainly hasn't
made him decent, honest and truthful.
Your claim to being moral Christopher is what? That you have "loved ones"
and you behave "morally"? Where's the proof?
Demonstrate your god to the same level of confidence as the people you
say I can't love.
Because you are comparing chalk and cheese.
And what is really pathetic is that you know this.
And I obviously behave more morally than you do.
You have no basis for your "morality" that you can prove exists,
Christopher.
Liar.
If anything, atheists are more moral than theists because we see our
actions in terms of the effect on others.
Whereas YOU imagine that being moral is doing what you are told to do.
And what is more, told what to do by a figment of your deluded
imagination.
Think about it.
Take your own advice, ignorant, lying hypocrite.
Put the proof right here ---------->>>
No proof? I'm not surprised.
Only because you reject what you are told when it doesn't fit your
sociopathic view of everybody else.
You're really a lightweight in this, aren't you? Got nothing but to call
people
you hate 'liar', do you?
Another of your lies, liar. I only call people who lie, liars. As you
keep doing. And do not hate you. However I have utter contempt for
your dishonesty and lies.
Thought so....
You?
Thinking? Bwaaaaaahahahahahahaha......
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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04 Jun 2006 06:24:58 PM |
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas" <kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149312900.529378.151660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
How interesting....
Are you denying the existence of emotions, in any but theists?
Is it your belief, that the body chemistry of the atheist, is in some major way,
different to yours?
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05 Jun 2006 06:07:45 AM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149312900.529378.151660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
How interesting....
Are you denying the existence of emotions, in any but theists?
Not at all.
Is it your belief, that the body chemistry of the atheist, is in some
major way,
different to yours?
It's my belief that he can't prove he loves anyone using the same criteria
for evidence
that he demands others use to prove the existance of God.
If you think you can do it, put the proof here------------------->>>
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05 Jun 2006 01:57:49 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:obq6825t3ovsj1a8vjsm203rogkuu1lpb9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149312900.529378.151660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
How interesting....
Are you denying the existence of emotions, in any but theists?
Not at all.
Is it your belief, that the body chemistry of the atheist, is in some
major way,
different to yours?
It's my belief that he can't prove he loves anyone using the same criteria
for evidence
that he demands others use to prove the existance of God.
These are not comparable. "Love" is an emotion or set of emotions. This
seems to be common amongst humans. "Belief" is another state of mind
which seems to be common amongst humans. In both of these situations,
since we have no better method, we assume people are telling the truth
about their own mental states.
However, I think you'll agree that asserting the existence of a god is
to claim something besides one's mental state. (If not, you are saying
it's all in your head, and you name yourself a madman, if a self-aware
madman.) Now the perception of this entity is not nearly as universal
as the mental states "love" and "belief". It is therefore reasonable to
ask those that hold such a belief to provide their evidence, and those
that do not can go on their merry way. By the same token, if you have
no experience of "love" or "belief", we can hardly expect you to
consider those that speak of them as any more rational than someone
that claims pixies surround his house or that Jesus rose from the dead.
Those people would be right to demand evidence, and go about their
merry way until such evidence is presented. What you can't expect is
for others to share your beliefs (or knowledge of your mental states),
and become offended should they not, casting aspersions, and
generalizing them based on your own experiences, which we do know are
not universal.
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06 Jun 2006 06:10:10 AM |
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Chris Johnson wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:obq6825t3ovsj1a8vjsm203rogkuu1lpb9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149312900.529378.151660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
How interesting....
Are you denying the existence of emotions, in any but theists?
Not at all.
Is it your belief, that the body chemistry of the atheist, is in some
major way,
different to yours?
It's my belief that he can't prove he loves anyone using the same criteria
for evidence
that he demands others use to prove the existance of God.
These are not comparable. "Love" is an emotion or set of emotions. This
seems to be common amongst humans. "Belief" is another state of mind
which seems to be common amongst humans. In both of these situations,
since we have no better method, we assume people are telling the truth
about their own mental states.
"Love" is not common amongst humans. Not culturally, not historically.
Further,
it is claimed by Christopher A. Lee to have some sort of significance
in his life.
I'm waiting for him to prove that this thing called "love" really
exists and has an effect on him.
However, I think you'll agree that asserting the existence of a god is
to claim something besides one's mental state.
That's precisely what atheists claim God to be, however.
So why isn't it therefore germane to ask them to prove the existance of
"a mental state"?
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07 Jun 2006 10:12:27 PM |
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wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:obq6825t3ovsj1a8vjsm203rogkuu1lpb9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149312900.529378.151660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
How interesting....
Are you denying the existence of emotions, in any but theists?
Not at all.
Is it your belief, that the body chemistry of the atheist, is in some
major way,
different to yours?
It's my belief that he can't prove he loves anyone using the same criteria
for evidence
that he demands others use to prove the existance of God.
These are not comparable. "Love" is an emotion or set of emotions. This
seems to be common amongst humans. "Belief" is another state of mind
which seems to be common amongst humans. In both of these situations,
since we have no better method, we assume people are telling the truth
about their own mental states.
"Love" is not common amongst humans. Not culturally, not historically.
Further,
it is claimed by Christopher A. Lee to have some sort of significance
in his life.
I'm waiting for him to prove that this thing called "love" really
exists and has an effect on him.
However, I think you'll agree that asserting the existence of a god is
to claim something besides one's mental state.
That's precisely what atheists claim God to be, however.
That is not true. I do not think gods are mental states, but ideas. The
belief in them can be called a mental state. Why do I think they're
ideas? Because to talk about them they must be that, and nobody has
shown them to be more.
So why isn't it therefore germane to ask them to prove the existance of
"a mental state"?
Because gods are not mental states.
If you understand already, ignore the following. But I suspect you
shall not, so allow me to explain. I have this concept of something I
like to call a "rock". This concept is not a mental state, but my
belief that such a thing exists and that I've held one and subsequently
skipped it on the surface of a river is. (These are just my working
definitions. If there are more formal definitions, I don't know of them
and am not particularly interested.) You have this concept of a thing
you like to call "God". The concept itself is not a mental state, but
your belief that such a thing exists is.
Now, since we know of no way of measuring these mental states, we take
each others' words for it when they claim one. So I say I believe rocks
exist, and you say you believe a god exists, we both accept the other's
claim because we have no other way of knowing. However, without first
hand experience, I would not expect you to believe that rocks exist and
you would be foolish to expect me to believe that gods exist.
Now if I show you a rock, let you hold it, and show you how to skip it
on the surface of a river, you would probably acquire the belief that
such things as rocks exist. Can you show me your god exists? I don't
ask you to prove that you possess such a mental state -- I already
accept that -- I ask you to provide evidence that the object of your
belief is more than just an idea.
Does this make sense?
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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06 Jun 2006 12:34:29 PM |
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On 6 Jun 2006 04:10:10 -0700, wrote:
"Love" is not common amongst humans. Not culturally, not historically.
Interesting.
Are you now asserting that parents do not love their children, that afore
mentioned children, do not love their parents, that lovers are not in love, that
in fact, they are all lying?
Further,
it is claimed by Christopher A. Lee to have some sort of significance
in his life.
So because you cannot offer any evidence that your imaginary friend, your god,
exists, then Christopher must supply evidence that love exists, and that he
feels it, or accept your wild claims: Is that it?
Grow up.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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06 Jun 2006 01:13:50 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:34:29 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On 6 Jun 2006 04:10:10 -0700, wrote:
"Love" is not common amongst humans. Not culturally, not historically.
Interesting.
Are you now asserting that parents do not love their children, that afore
mentioned children, do not love their parents, that lovers are not in love, that
in fact, they are all lying?
He's just being stupid.
This all started when he make the absurd and slanderous claim that
atheists couldn't be moral without his pretend friend's carrot and
stick.
To ordinary, decent people who know just how fragile belief in that
pretend friend is.
So I took it at face value - he was telling us that he wouldn't be
moral, without it.
Which none of the idiots who say that understand.
Further,
it is claimed by Christopher A. Lee to have some sort of significance
in his life.
So because you cannot offer any evidence that your imaginary friend, your god,
exists, then Christopher must supply evidence that love exists, and that he
feels it, or accept your wild claims: Is that it?
Apparently. But this is a standard theist dishonesty. The idiots who
use it imagine it should floor us - but it's a bait'n'switch from
something unevidenced and in dispute to something else at a completely
different level that is in evidence and isn't disputed.
What is really sad is that so many of them imagine this should
convince anybody.
It would only be valid if the comparison were like with like - eg if
they admitted God were an emotion not a being, or if they compared it
with the people (cats and dogs are people too) we love.
The correct response is to prove God to the same level of confidence
as the people Niklas imagines atheists can't love because they're
atheist.
Which is when Nicklas turned even nastier.
I doubt they fool even themselves and it is an insult that they expect
it to floor us.
But you try explaining just how stupid the comparison is without
offending them. Even though if they had more than half a brain they
would have realised this themselves and not used it.
The problems come when it's somebody we don't want to treat like the
brain dead moron they show themselves as. They imagine it really did
floor us - which is even more of an insult. Like when Matthew
Coinage's character demanded Jodie Foster's prove she loved her father
in Contact.
Another case of "do you want the honest answer of the diplomatic one"
when they twist the diplomatic one to fit their ignorance and can't
cope with the honest one.
Grow up.
He can't. He's a personally nasty sociopath.
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07 Jun 2006 05:51:04 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:34:29 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
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On 6 Jun 2006 04:10:10 -0700, wrote:
"Love" is not common amongst humans. Not culturally, not historically.
Interesting.
Are you now asserting that parents do not love their children, that afore
mentioned children, do not love their parents, that lovers are not in love, that
in fact, they are all lying?
He's just being stupid.
Ad hom. How unoriginal.
This all started when he make the absurd and slanderous claim that
atheists couldn't be moral without his pretend friend's carrot and
stick.
Strawman.
I never said any such thing, Christopher.
To ordinary, decent people who know just how fragile belief in that
pretend friend is.
Another pretension, Christopher.
So I took it at face value - he was telling us that he wouldn't be
moral, without it.
You took your own strawman at face value?
You're well on your way to wankerdom, I guess.
Which none of the idiots who say that understand.
Further,
it is claimed by Christopher A. Lee to have some sort of significance
in his life.
So because you cannot offer any evidence that your imaginary friend, your god,
exists, then Christopher must supply evidence that love exists, and that he
feels it, or accept your wild claims: Is that it?
Apparently. But this is a standard theist dishonesty. The idiots who
use it imagine it should floor us - but it's a bait'n'switch from
something unevidenced and in dispute to something else at a completely
different level that is in evidence and isn't disputed.
I dispute your "love" which you claim to have for people. I don't see
any evidence for it. You bristle and try to rationalize it away when
asked for proof.
I disbelieve in your "love", Christopher. Heck, so far as I know all
you are is a clueless boob who takes offense when challenged,calls
people 'liars' and plays with toy trains on your off-hours.
What is really sad is that so many of them imagine this should
convince anybody.
I'm not trying to convince you, Christopher. I'm trying to make you
think outside the box you're living in.
It would only be valid if the comparison were like with like - eg if
they admitted God were an emotion not a being, or if they compared it
with the people (cats and dogs are people too) we love.
Very well.....God is nothing but an emotion. See, wasn't that easy?
Now...convince me you have "love for anyone".
Put the proof right here:--------------------->>>
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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07 Jun 2006 06:40:42 PM |
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On 7 Jun 2006 03:51:04 -0700, wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:34:29 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On 6 Jun 2006 04:10:10 -0700, wrote:
"Love" is not common amongst humans. Not culturally, not historically.
Interesting.
Are you now asserting that parents do not love their children, that afore
mentioned children, do not love their parents, that lovers are not in love, that
in fact, they are all lying?
He's just being stupid.
Ad hom. How unoriginal.
Wrong. We were talking *about you, not *to you. "Ad hominem", "To the man",
*not, "about the man"
This all started when he make the absurd and slanderous claim that
atheists couldn't be moral without his pretend friend's carrot and
stick.
Strawman.
Wrong on two counts, the first being that it would not be a straw man, even if
he was talking to you, he is making a statement, not proposing a false argument
which he can easily defeat. The second being that he is not talking to you,
I never said any such thing, Christopher.
Odd, it certainly looked that way from here.
To ordinary, decent people who know just how fragile belief in that
pretend friend is.
Another pretension, Christopher.
Then you can offer something to refute him, something to show that your
imaginary friend is more than just imagination?
So I took it at face value - he was telling us that he wouldn't be
moral, without it.
You took your own strawman at face value?
Xtian dishonesty...
You're well on your way to wankerdom, I guess.
....And xtian vulgarity.
So no surprises there.
Which none of the idiots who say that understand.
Further,
it is claimed by Christopher A. Lee to have some sort of significance
in his life.
So because you cannot offer any evidence that your imaginary friend, your god,
exists, then Christopher must supply evidence that love exists, and that he
feels it, or accept your wild claims: Is that it?
Apparently. But this is a standard theist dishonesty. The idiots who
use it imagine it should floor us - but it's a bait'n'switch from
something unevidenced and in dispute to something else at a completely
different level that is in evidence and isn't disputed.
I dispute your "love" which you claim to have for people.
Which is illogical, if not, down right stupid.
You are questioning a subjective value
I don't see any evidence for it.
What is even more ludicrous, is that you are using a subjective value to
question it.
Have you no sense?
Would I have to come around there and beat you over the head with a hammer,
before you would accept that I had such a thing?
Don t answer, it is clear that I probably would, and even then, you would want
to see the receipt
You bristle and try to rationalize it away when asked for proof.
Why not? Your question was at best, solipsistic, but more likely, deliberately
dishonest. There can be no evidence for subjective values.
You come here and spout off about your godonastick, and when we ask for
evidence, you become offensive, and you lie: Not just you, ALL of you.
We ask for evidence of your god, and you reply with a demand for evidence that
we love.
That is dishonest, lying, etc.
Had we asked you for evidence that you believed this faerie tale, then your
response would have been justified, meeting stupidity with stupidity, but we do
not ask that.
We ask for evidence that your godonastick, exists.
I'm sure there is a commandment which is an admonition against telling porky
pies.
I disbelieve in your "love", Christopher.
So what?
Love is an emotion, he aint trying to sell it to you, he is saying that he hopes
you, with your fragile, xtian, morality, never get within a thousand miles of
his loved ones.
And I agree with him
Heck, so far as I know all
you are is a clueless boob who takes offense when challenged,calls
people 'liars' and plays with toy trains on your off-hours.
Now *that, is an ad hominem attack.
....And of the most childish sort.
But typically xtian.
What is really sad is that so many of them imagine this should
convince anybody.
I'm not trying to convince you, Christopher. I'm trying to make you
think outside the box you're living in.
Ah yes. We have been told many times, that we should have an open mind, think
outside the box, with respect to your god, and we do: That is how many of us
became atheists in the first place.
Should you ever provide empirical evidence for the existence of your god, we
will look at it, and if it convinces us, then we will believe; We will have no
choice.
If however, it does not convince us, we will not believe, and we will still have
no choice.
OTOH, should there ever be proof, beyond any possible doubt, that your god does,
not exist you would still believe; wouldn't you?
But we have learned that when a xtian asks you to keep an open mind, what he
actually means, is to accept what he says, without question.
When you say that you want Christopher, to "think outside his box", what you
mean, is that you want him to think *inside* yours
What if Christopher is already thinking outside this box, you go on about?
What if he concludes that there is a god, but not yours?
What if he concludes that your god, is an evil demon, a trickster, and all it's
followers should be forcibly converted to his god, or killed?
Would that satisfy you?
It would only be valid if the comparison were like with like - eg if
they admitted God were an emotion not a being, or if they compared it
with the people (cats and dogs are people too) we love.
Very well.....God is nothing but an emotion. See, wasn't that easy?
Then we all agree: Except that you are lying, you do not believe that.
Now...convince me you have "love for anyone".
Put the proof right here:--------------------->>>
Yet more dishonesty.
You are making assertions WRT subjective values, and demanding that we prove
them wrong.
It is just one big Red Herring, come Straw man, to try and distract us from the
fact that you have inadvertently told the truth.
You have admitted it to us, now admit it to your self.
It will probably hurt, I know that it hurt me when I finally had to admit it,
but I'm sure that you can do it.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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06 Jun 2006 07:25:19 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:13:50 -0400, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:34:29 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On 6 Jun 2006 04:10:10 -0700, wrote:
"Love" is not common amongst humans. Not culturally, not historically.
Interesting.
Are you now asserting that parents do not love their children, that afore
mentioned children, do not love their parents, that lovers are not in love, that
in fact, they are all lying?
He's just being stupid.
This all started when he make the absurd and slanderous claim that
atheists couldn't be moral without his pretend friend's carrot and
stick.
To ordinary, decent people who know just how fragile belief in that
pretend friend is.
So I took it at face value - he was telling us that he wouldn't be
moral, without it.
He is not the only one to have made such a statement.
You must admit, the number of theists who insist that we cannot be moral without
their god, would tend to make you believe that they are projecting: Seriously.
Which none of the idiots who say that understand.
Oh, I think they understand well enough, but dishonesty has become so much a
part of their lives, and/or beliefs, that they just can't help them selves.
Further,
it is claimed by Christopher A. Lee to have some sort of significance
in his life.
So because you cannot offer any evidence that your imaginary friend, your god,
exists, then Christopher must supply evidence that love exists, and that he
feels it, or accept your wild claims: Is that it?
Apparently. But this is a standard theist dishonesty. The idiots who
use it imagine it should floor us - but it's a bait'n'switch from
something unevidenced and in dispute to something else at a completely
different level that is in evidence and isn't disputed.
What is really sad is that so many of them imagine this should
convince anybody.
But then, they also imagine that insults, innuendo, and threats from their silly
book, will also convince us.
It would only be valid if the comparison were like with like - eg if
they admitted God were an emotion not a being, or if they compared it
with the people (cats and dogs are people too) we love.
Of course, but they will neither argue like with like, nor admit that their god
is anything less than reality.
The correct response is to prove God to the same level of confidence
as the people Niklas imagines atheists can't love because they're
atheist.
Which is when Nicklas turned even nastier.
But you know, your self, it is standard fundy MO, "When you can't answer,
shout louder, make wilder, more illogical, more dishonest, accusations and
demands, then swear that the atheists are avoiding answering".
I doubt they fool even themselves and it is an insult that they expect
it to floor us.
That's true.
Grow up.
He can't. He's a personally nasty sociopath.
It's surprising, or maybe it ain't, just how many of them turn out that way,
when they realise that they are not going to convince us with stories of warm
fuzzies, and threats of hell and damnation.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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06 Jun 2006 06:34:28 AM |
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On 6 Jun 2006 04:10:10 -0700, wrote:
Are you denying the existence of emotions, in any but theists?
Not at all.
Is it your belief, that the body chemistry of the atheist, is in some
major way,
different to yours?
It's my belief that he can't prove he loves anyone using the same criteria
for evidence
that he demands others use to prove the existance of God.
These are not comparable. "Love" is an emotion or set of emotions. This
seems to be common amongst humans. "Belief" is another state of mind
which seems to be common amongst humans. In both of these situations,
since we have no better method, we assume people are telling the truth
about their own mental states.
"Love" is not common amongst humans. Not culturally, not historically.
Further,
it is claimed by Christopher A. Lee to have some sort of significance
in his life.
All I said, liar, was that if you imagine your pretend alpha male is
all that stops people INCLUDING YOU from doing awful things I hope you
never get within a thousand miles of my loved ones.
Your demand that I prove I love them was a blatantly dishonest red
herring.
The other poster was correct: there is no comparison. It's the
dishonesty of Palmer Joss's demand of Ellie in Contact that she prove
she loves her father when he knew she was atheist. You could see her
frustration when the standard theist dishonesties were used by the
panel selecting the astronaut and her friend. The correct answer is
that the comparison should be "prove your father existed" followed by
more detail when the theist pretends he doesn't get it.
A theist shouldn't say that sort of thing if they are not prepared for
an honest answer. But they find the honest answer offensive especially
after they push the point, making it difficult for the atheist if they
are not in a position to treat the idiot as they deserve.
But knickerless nickel-arise is different. He was droolingly nasty
from the start so there was no reason to treat him as anything other
than the dishonest, in-your-face rude jerk he showed himself to be.
I'm waiting for him to prove that this thing called "love" really
exists and has an effect on him.
Not my problem, moron.
However, I think you'll agree that asserting the existence of a god is
to claim something besides one's mental state.
That's precisely what atheists claim God to be, however.
No, liar. It's not a claim but a falsifiable conclusion. Even you
understand the difference.
So why isn't it therefore germane to ask them to prove the existance of
"a mental state"?
Only if you do a dishonest bait'n'switch to cop out of backing up the
presumptions behind your drooling nastiness.
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05 Jun 2006 02:35:23 PM |
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I just jumped in here. I might not be following the thread correctly.. But
what prompted me to post is that one of you guys inferred that without
Christianity "What is to stop you from becoming a pedophile?"
Its strange, look all throughout the Bible New Testament or Old. You will
find NO "Age Of Consent" talked about or even hinted at in the Bible. We can
only draw the conclusion that the folks who wrote the Bible could care less
about adults having sex with underaged children. Personally I think it was
Secular Doctors who finally came to the correct conclusion that young
underaged girls should not have sex.
"Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149533869.593096.204790@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:obq6825t3ovsj1a8vjsm203rogkuu1lpb9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:23 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:72o382l71hcletu9a7j3r78sdi2279faar@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:06:25 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:21m382pa6k6g4i4kgsmb4o5uj7b49eq0cq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:38:55 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:amu2821a8mohmadha3f5lckfr5j7t7tcpi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005767.html
Christians out, pedophiles in
Strumpet must be disappointed the US isn't leading the way....
The Netherlands *always leads the way in this sort of thing.
Give yourself a few years and you'll be following them.
As an atheist, what's to stop you?
A standard piece of droolingly nasty theistic sociopathy.
If the only thing stopping YOU is your belief in your pretend
friend,
I hope you never get within 1000 miles of my loved ones.
You *love people, Christopher?
I presume you can present scientific proof of that fact?
Yet another standard theist dishonesty.
Actually it's a very good question, Christopher, and I think it would
be a good exercise for you to think about the answer.
No, moron, it is a standard piece of theist dishonesty.
So you believe in something but you can't prove it even exists?
How interesting....
Are you denying the existence of emotions, in any but theists?
Not at all.
Is it your belief, that the body chemistry of the atheist, is in some
major way,
different to yours?
It's my belief that he can't prove he loves anyone using the same
criteria
for evidence
that he demands others use to prove the existance of God.
These are not comparable. "Love" is an emotion or set of emotions. This
seems to be common amongst humans. "Belief" is another state of mind
which seems to be common amongst humans. In both of these situations,
since we have no better method, we assume people are telling the truth
about their own mental states.
However, I think you'll agree that asserting the existence of a god is
to claim something besides one's mental state. (If not, you are saying
it's all in your head, and you name yourself a madman, if a self-aware
madman.) Now the perception of this entity is not nearly as universal
as the mental states "love" and "belief". It is therefore reasonable to
ask those that hold such a belief to provide their evidence, and those
that do not can go on their merry way. By the same token, if you have
no experience of "love" or "belief", we can hardly expect you to
consider those that speak of them as any more rational than someone
that claims pixies surround his house or that Jesus rose from the dead.
Those people would be right to demand evidence, and go about their
merry way until such evidence is presented. What you can't expect is
for others to share your beliefs (or knowledge of your mental states),
and become offended should they not, casting aspersions, and
generalizing them based on your own experiences, which we do know are
not universal.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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05 Jun 2006 07:00:09 PM |
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:07:45 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas" <kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
It's my belief that he can't prove he loves anyone using the same criteria
for evidence
that he demands others use to prove the existance of God.
If you think you can do it, put the proof here------------------->>>
Are you now telling us that your god, is no more than an emotion, a purely
subjective thing?
If you are not, then your question is dishonest.
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| User: "" |
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06 Jun 2006 06:12:29 AM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:07:45 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas" <kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
It's my belief that he can't prove he loves anyone using the same criteria
for evidence
that he demands others use to prove the existance of God.
If you think you can do it, put the proof here------------------->>>
Are you now telling us that your god, is no more than an emotion, a purely
subjective thing?
Isn't that what *you believe?
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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06 Jun 2006 12:42:05 PM |
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On 6 Jun 2006 04:12:29 -0700, wrote:
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:07:45 -0400, "Kurt Nicklas" <kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
It's my belief that he can't prove he loves anyone using the same criteria
for evidence
that he demands others use to prove the existance of God.
If you think you can do it, put the proof here------------------->>>
Are you now telling us that your god, is no more than an emotion, a purely
subjective thing?
Isn't that what *you believe?
What I believe about gods, is irrelevant: What is relevant, and very clear, is
that you cannot answer the question.
Still, no surprise there.
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