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"Rune Børsjø" |
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10 Oct 2004 09:45:12 AM |
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Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
Think about it, folks... most republicans are christians, and the more
fundamentalist christian they are, the more likely they are to be
republican, or vote for someone like Buchanan.
But wait a minute! The republican party programme and new testament
fly directly in the face of eachother!
Repulicans: Cut taxes, cut wellfare, cut social programs, strike back
at, or before, anyone can threaten us, personal liberties are nice as
long as only right-thinking, good 'christian' white gun-owning people
of british or northern european descent have them.
KEY WORDS: Individualism, greed, vengeance, egotism
Satan: Indulge yourself, don't share, it's ok to be greedy, only
people who can support themselves matter, vengeance, make your own
way, take care of you and yours everyone else is out to get you,
KEY WORDS: Individualism, greed, vengeance, egotism
Jesus: All people matter and have the same value, don't be greedy,
share, turn the other cheek, be compassionate, do not resort to
violence, accept people who are different, everyone has the right to
basic sustinence and so forth.
KEY WORDS: Community, sharing, mercy, giving
I am making no judgement over wether these are positive or negative
values, I'm simply comparing one to the other, and it looks like Jesus
has a lot more in common with say, radical marxist vegan animal rights
terrorists than conservatives and republicans, and to a large degree
democrats, which, let's face it, is Republican Agenda Light (TM).
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 12:16:50 PM |
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"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:pihim0lv3a6vc924vp2pcchl11lqu3p4k8@4ax.com...
Think about it, folks... most republicans are christians, and the more
fundamentalist christian they are, the more likely they are to be
republican, or vote for someone like Buchanan.
But wait a minute! The republican party programme and new testament
fly directly in the face of eachother!
Repulicans: Cut taxes, cut wellfare, cut social programs, strike back
at, or before, anyone can threaten us, personal liberties are nice as
long as only right-thinking, good 'christian' white gun-owning people
of british or northern european descent have them.
KEY WORDS: Individualism, greed, vengeance, egotism
Satan: Indulge yourself, don't share, it's ok to be greedy, only
people who can support themselves matter, vengeance, make your own
way, take care of you and yours everyone else is out to get you,
KEY WORDS: Individualism, greed, vengeance, egotism
Jesus: All people matter and have the same value, don't be greedy,
share, turn the other cheek, be compassionate, do not resort to
violence, accept people who are different, everyone has the right to
basic sustinence and so forth.
KEY WORDS: Community, sharing, mercy, giving
I am making no judgement over wether these are positive or negative
values, I'm simply comparing one to the other, and it looks like Jesus
has a lot more in common with say, radical marxist vegan animal rights
terrorists than conservatives and republicans, and to a large degree
democrats, which, let's face it, is Republican Agenda Light (TM).
Ooh dear you're going to ***** them off now you know.
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 01:35:44 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:16:50 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
Ooh dear you're going to ***** them off now you know.
I suppose that's the general idea. In any case I'm tired of their
hypocrisy. This is the great thing about religion in america: you
don't have to do what Jesus did, or follow his teachings, because he
already did it, and thus paved the way for everyone to be saved! Ie.
their motto is: It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 03:26:43 PM |
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"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:rnvim0d7qphu2mhcoc2dsbvvpsfj6fo1mt@4ax.com...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:16:50 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
Ooh dear you're going to ***** them off now you know.
I suppose that's the general idea.
Which is why we do not take idiots like you in a serious way.
You remind us of little pups not knowing what you are doing.
In any case I'm tired of their
hypocrisy.
Keep lying as it is all you have to prop yourself up with.
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 10:12:37 AM |
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"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:pihim0lv3a6vc924vp2pcchl11lqu3p4k8@4ax.com...
Think about it, folks... most republicans are christians, and the more
fundamentalist christian they are, the more likely they are to be
republican, or vote for someone like Buchanan.
But wait a minute! The republican party programme and new testament
fly directly in the face of eachother!
Well it is evident you do not know anything about Republicans and the New
Testament.
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Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That
ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the state
at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 09:17:04 PM |
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"Dana" <dems@losers.com> wrote in message
news:22f1944dc9c35ee3ca7e8d7a4b83b339@news.meganetnews.com...
"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:pihim0lv3a6vc924vp2pcchl11lqu3p4k8@4ax.com...
Think about it, folks... most republicans are christians, and the more
fundamentalist christian they are, the more likely they are to be
republican, or vote for someone like Buchanan.
But wait a minute! The republican party programme and new testament
fly directly in the face of eachother!
Well it is evident you do not know anything about Republicans and the New
Testament.
I read his message which you very conveniently deleted, coward.
Everything in Rune's message was spot on.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 11:20:44 AM |
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Dana wrote:
"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:pihim0lv3a6vc924vp2pcchl11lqu3p4k8@4ax.com...
Think about it, folks... most republicans are christians, and the more
fundamentalist christian they are, the more likely they are to be
republican, or vote for someone like Buchanan.
But wait a minute! The republican party programme and new testament
fly directly in the face of eachother!
Well it is evident you do not know anything about Republicans and the New
Testament.
We know republicans are dumber than *****.
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000653667
Media Matters? Poll Shows More than 4 in 10 Still Link Saddam to 9/11
By E&P Staff
Published: October 05, 2004 4:10 PM EDT
NEW YORK While the press gave extensive coverage Tuesday to Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s statement that he hasn't seen "any strong,
hard evidence" to link Saddam Hussein and the al-Qaeda terrorists who
staged the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, it became ever more apparent that
the media still have their work cut out for them on this issue.
Rumsfeld's comments came as a new USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll found that
42% of those surveyed thought the former Iraqi leader was involved in
the attacks on New York City and Washington.
In response to another question, 32% said they thought Saddam had
personally planned them.
The same poll in June showed that 56% of all Republicans said they
thought Saddam was involved with the 9/11 attacks. In the latest poll
that number actually climbs, to 62%.
The independent commission that investigated 9/11 concluded in June that
there was "no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaeda cooperated on
attacks against the United States." The panel also said "contacts"
between al-Qaeda and Iraq "do not appear to have resulted in a
collaborative relationship."
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 02:35:27 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:20:44 +0100, Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Dana wrote:
"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:pihim0lv3a6vc924vp2pcchl11lqu3p4k8@4ax.com...
Think about it, folks... most republicans are christians, and the more
fundamentalist christian they are, the more likely they are to be
republican, or vote for someone like Buchanan.
But wait a minute! The republican party programme and new testament
fly directly in the face of eachother!
Well it is evident you do not know anything about Republicans and the New
Testament.
We know republicans are dumber than *****.
Ah, Jez - the man of few words and no intelligence.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 03:24:32 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:20:44 +0100, Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Dana wrote:
"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:pihim0lv3a6vc924vp2pcchl11lqu3p4k8@4ax.com...
Think about it, folks... most republicans are christians, and the more
fundamentalist christian they are, the more likely they are to be
republican, or vote for someone like Buchanan.
But wait a minute! The republican party programme and new testament
fly directly in the face of eachother!
Well it is evident you do not know anything about Republicans and the New
Testament.
We know republicans are dumber than *****.
Ah, Jez - the man of few words and no intelligence.
Coming from you that's praise indeed.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 05:43:49 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:24:32 +0100, Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Ah, Jez - the man of few words and no intelligence.
Coming from you that's praise indeed.
Can't be - I offer opinions - you just say cute nothings.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 07:20:37 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:24:32 +0100, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Ah, Jez - the man of few words and no intelligence.
Coming from you that's praise indeed.
Can't be - I offer opinions - you just say cute nothings.
Earl finally admits what he does.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 06:37:53 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:24:32 +0100, Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Ah, Jez - the man of few words and no intelligence.
Coming from you that's praise indeed.
Can't be - I offer opinions -
No, you tend to defend lies.
you just say cute nothings.
I don't spew forth delusions, if that's what you mean.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 07:06:36 PM |
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In article <22f1944dc9c35ee3ca7e8d7a4b83b339@news.meganetnews.com>, "Dana"
<dems@losers.com> wrote:
-"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
-news:pihim0lv3a6vc924vp2pcchl11lqu3p4k8@4ax.com...
-> Think about it, folks... most republicans are christians, and the more
-> fundamentalist christian they are, the more likely they are to be
-> republican, or vote for someone like Buchanan.
->
-> But wait a minute! The republican party programme and new testament
-> fly directly in the face of eachother!
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-Well it is evident you do not know anything about Republicans and the New
-Testament.
He certainly knows more than you do..since you were unable to actially
refute him.
If Jesus preached the Sermon of the Mount at a GOP gathering...those
gathered would demand his arrest!!
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 11:55:03 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:12:37 GMT, "Dana" <dems@losers.com> wrote:
Well it is evident you do not know anything about Republicans and the New
Testament.
Actually, it would seem, republicans don't know anything about the new
testament - or christians in general, I should think. The sum of my
argument is: who's teachings do american christians, and conservative
ones especially, follow, Jesus or Satan? Time and again we see that
their beliefs and politics mimic the sentiments of Satan rather than
Jesus.
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 11:41:13 AM |
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"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:57qim01tg30e628c39oo2m74e3brqq7c9j@4ax.com...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:12:37 GMT, "Dana" <dems@losers.com> wrote:
Well it is evident you do not know anything about Republicans and the New
Testament.
Actually, it would seem,
You have no idea of what you are saying.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 02:24:36 PM |
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"Dana" <dems@losers.com> wrote in message
news:fa8ff2eb383baf127d8ef299222380aa@news.meganetnews.com...
"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:57qim01tg30e628c39oo2m74e3brqq7c9j@4ax.com...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:12:37 GMT, "Dana" <dems@losers.com> wrote:
Well it is evident you do not know anything about Republicans and the
New
Testament.
Actually, it would seem,
You have no idea of what you are saying.
I think he makes some good points. Either way, christians (and other
theists) are delusional and full of contradictions.
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 01:36:37 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:41:13 GMT, "Dana" <dems@losers.com> wrote:
You have no idea of what you are saying.
What a wonderful and convincing argument you've formulated. How am I
ever going to compete with this?
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 03:28:03 PM |
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"Rune Børsjø" <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:j80jm0pqg1i9t556rsa5m5ro3gqjhc3v4s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:41:13 GMT, "Dana" <dems@losers.com> wrote:
You have no idea of what you are saying.
What a wonderful and convincing argument you've formulated. How am I
ever going to compete with this?
You would never be able to compete as you lack the needed knowledge and
independent thought needed.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 05:48:22 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:45:12 +0200, Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com>
thought hard and said:
large degree
democrats, which, let's face it, is Republican Agenda Light (TM).
There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and
the Republicans.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christian republicans: Contradiction in terms? |
10 Oct 2004 03:33:20 PM |
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Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message news:<pihim0lv3a6vc924vp2pcchl11lqu3p4k8@4ax.com>...
Think about it, folks... most republicans are christians, and the more
fundamentalist christian they are, the more likely they are to be
republican, or vote for someone like Buchanan.
But wait a minute! The republican party programme and new testament
fly directly in the face of eachother!
Repulicans: Cut taxes, cut wellfare, cut social programs, strike back
at, or before, anyone can threaten us, personal liberties are nice as
long as only right-thinking, good 'christian' white gun-owning people
of british or northern european descent have them.
KEY WORDS: Individualism, greed, vengeance, egotism
I disagree :-)
Or at least, I think you've caricatured a good number of the
Republican party.
As one who's part of a church community and one who's spent much of my
life registered Republican, (though I'm often frustrated with both
groups) perhaps I can shed some light on this one, at least from a
personal standpoint.
Satan: Indulge yourself, don't share, it's ok to be greedy, only
people who can support themselves matter, vengeance, make your own
way, take care of you and yours everyone else is out to get you,
KEY WORDS: Individualism, greed, vengeance, egotism
Jesus: All people matter and have the same value, don't be greedy,
share, turn the other cheek, be compassionate, do not resort to
violence, accept people who are different, everyone has the right to
basic sustinence and so forth.
KEY WORDS: Community, sharing, mercy, giving
Perhaps the key you're missing is personal accountability. Like, my
own, to be and do the things you've enumerated.
Here's what I observe.
Any act of mercy, kindness, or charity, has at its base a genuine
desire for the good of another human. And it is *that*, the goodwill
behind the act, which gives that action its "umph," if you will. And
in the best of circumstances, that act of charity or kindness during a
time of individual trouble will not only provide for some immediate,
basic need, but will help that person's outlook and approach to life,
and perhaps help them find a way to get on their feet again. And in
the very best case, once that person is back on their feet, they will
remember that act of generosity and reciprocate to another
down-and-out human. It's as much about relationships as it is about
food and shelter.
I observe that government, by its very beaurocratic nature, often
leaches that human component slap out, and feeds the worst of human
tendencies (with apologies to all good hearted, overworked, underpaid,
and genuinely wonderful social workers). The person helped isn't a
human; he's a number. The charity isn't an act of kindness, but
becomes seen as a right of some sort.
Half the equation is gone. The food or shelter or whatever is
provided, but the relationship isn't in the mix any more.
I also observe that governments, by their nature, are intrusive, and
tend to grow unless checked. It makes sense, given human nature.
Those employed by a government to manage some program have at that
point a vested interest (their job security) in the continued *need*
for that program, where a person giving, one on one, has a vested
interest in the actual good of the person they're helping.
I also observe, from experience, that government is wasteful and
expensive. The dollar I send in taxes pays for the person who checks
my return, the person who researches how best to spend it, the
representatives and senators who have a vested interest in spending it
to gain votes, the administrators all along the way, the red tape --
and finally, maybe some portion of it goes to a hungry family. The
dollar I give to the local shelter, by contrast, goes to pay their
light bill, keep the roof in good repair, and buy food. One hundred
percent going directly to help the people I'm trying to help. And
given that I have three (or four) children to support myself, each
dollar sent to Uncle Sam is one less dollar I have to give directly to
those in need.
The war business isn't one I care to go into in depth, if you don't
mind. It's been hashed to death on this newsgroup.
And I'll easily concede that there are some things the government does
do better and more efficiently insofar as helping those in need. But
not much.
Had a conversation recently with a fellow who's here from New York.
His speciality is building housing for the working homeless. He's a
*great* guy, and the idea is interesting, and I hope it works --
provide a clean, decent apartment with some minimal rent obligation
for up to two years, so that those who want to change their
circumstances have sort of a leg up. It cost five million dollars
just to get the thing built, much less the staff there, and security,
and health clinic, and supplies, and maintenance.
And he said something very telling. He said, "I have to give the
churches around here credit. They've been doing a great job picking
up and doing what the government should be doing."
Those same churches are the ones you're talking about, full of greedy
Republicans :-)
Sunny
who tries to remember that there's a lot more to any one human being
than whatever label they've hung on themselves
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