Religions > Atheism > Christian students engage in anti-semite chant at basketball game
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24 Feb 2007 08:54:38 PM |
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Christian students engage in anti-semite chant at basketball game |
More of that "Christ love" ***** you're always hearing about.
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2Farticle%2F20070224%2FD8NG9RJ01.html
Principal Deems Jesus Chant Offensive
Feb 24, 3:18 PM (ET)
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - A Catholic school principal has organized
sensitivity training for students who shouted "We love Jesus" during a
basketball game against a school with Jewish students.
The word "Jew" also was painted on a gym wall behind the seats of Bishop
Sullivan Catholic High School students attending the Feb. 2 game at Norfolk
Academy, said Dennis W. Price, principal of the Virginia Beach school.
Price who also watched the game, said the rivals exchanged chants, "Then, at
some point, our students were chanting, 'We love Jesus.'"
"It was obviously in reference to the Jewish population of Norfolk Academy;
that's the only way you can take that," he added.
Price said he sent a letter of apology to Norfolk. Dennis G. Manning, the
academy's headmaster, declined to comment.
Several Sullivan students met with Norfolk Academy's cultural diversity club
Thursday as part of a series of events aimed at promoting tolerance, Price
said.
He has arranged for the Virginia Conference for Community and Justice and
the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater to work with students.
A message left for the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater was not
immediately returned Saturday.
Price also has consulted the Anti-Defamation League, a national group that
fights anti-Semitism.
"It is important that we work harder at having students leaving here who are
tolerant and understand how serious these kinds of things are," said Price,
who said diversity training will be incorporated permanently at Sullivan.
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26 Feb 2007 02:56:34 PM |
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"turk" <turk96@nowaynohow.not> wrote in message
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More of that "Christ love" ***** you're always hearing about.
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2Farticle%2F20070224%2FD8NG9RJ01.html
Principal Deems Jesus Chant Offensive
Feb 24, 3:18 PM (ET)
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - A Catholic school principal has organized
sensitivity training for students who shouted "We love Jesus" during a
basketball game against a school with Jewish students.
The word "Jew" also was painted on a gym wall behind the seats of Bishop
Sullivan Catholic High School students attending the Feb. 2 game at
Norfolk Academy, said Dennis W. Price, principal of the Virginia Beach
school.
Price who also watched the game, said the rivals exchanged chants, "Then,
at some point, our students were chanting, 'We love Jesus.'"
"It was obviously in reference to the Jewish population of Norfolk
Academy; that's the only way you can take that," he added.
Price said he sent a letter of apology to Norfolk. Dennis G. Manning, the
academy's headmaster, declined to comment.
Several Sullivan students met with Norfolk Academy's cultural diversity
club Thursday as part of a series of events aimed at promoting tolerance,
Price said.
He has arranged for the Virginia Conference for Community and Justice and
the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater to work with students.
A message left for the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater was not
immediately returned Saturday.
Price also has consulted the Anti-Defamation League, a national group that
fights anti-Semitism.
"It is important that we work harder at having students leaving here who
are tolerant and understand how serious these kinds of things are," said
Price, who said diversity training will be incorporated permanently at
Sullivan.
Nice - What a bunch of assholes ;P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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25 Feb 2007 03:34:17 AM |
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"turk" <turk96@nowaynohow.not> wrote in message
news:DoOdnX2syozzZ33YnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
More of that "Christ love" ***** you're always hearing about.
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2Farticle%2F20070224%2FD8NG9RJ01.html
Principal Deems Jesus Chant Offensive
Feb 24, 3:18 PM (ET)
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - A Catholic school principal has organized
sensitivity training for students who shouted "We love Jesus" during a
basketball game against a school with Jewish students.
The word "Jew" also was painted on a gym wall behind the seats of Bishop
Sullivan Catholic High School students attending the Feb. 2 game at
Norfolk Academy, said Dennis W. Price, principal of the Virginia Beach
school.
Price who also watched the game, said the rivals exchanged chants, "Then,
at some point, our students were chanting, 'We love Jesus.'"
"It was obviously in reference to the Jewish population of Norfolk
Academy; that's the only way you can take that," he added.
Price said he sent a letter of apology to Norfolk. Dennis G. Manning, the
academy's headmaster, declined to comment.
Several Sullivan students met with Norfolk Academy's cultural diversity
club Thursday as part of a series of events aimed at promoting tolerance,
Price said.
He has arranged for the Virginia Conference for Community and Justice and
the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater to work with students.
A message left for the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater was not
immediately returned Saturday.
Price also has consulted the Anti-Defamation League, a national group that
fights anti-Semitism.
"It is important that we work harder at having students leaving here who
are tolerant and understand how serious these kinds of things are," said
Price, who said diversity training will be incorporated permanently at
Sullivan.
LOL At least they didn't shout: We hate Jews!!! That would have been
offensive! But I am glad they stood up for whom they love. We need more of
that. The world is woefully short on love as is. "We love Jesus" is NOT
anti-Semitic. Jesus was a Jew and a Semite after all and you have to be an
atheist to pick on people who love.
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| User: "jem" |
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26 Feb 2007 12:37:57 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:34:17 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"turk" <turk96@nowaynohow.not> wrote in message
news:DoOdnX2syozzZ33YnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
More of that "Christ love" ***** you're always hearing about.
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2Farticle%2F20070224%2FD8NG9RJ01.html
Principal Deems Jesus Chant Offensive
Feb 24, 3:18 PM (ET)
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - A Catholic school principal has organized
sensitivity training for students who shouted "We love Jesus" during a
basketball game against a school with Jewish students.
The word "Jew" also was painted on a gym wall behind the seats of Bishop
Sullivan Catholic High School students attending the Feb. 2 game at
Norfolk Academy, said Dennis W. Price, principal of the Virginia Beach
school.
Price who also watched the game, said the rivals exchanged chants, "Then,
at some point, our students were chanting, 'We love Jesus.'"
"It was obviously in reference to the Jewish population of Norfolk
Academy; that's the only way you can take that," he added.
Price said he sent a letter of apology to Norfolk. Dennis G. Manning, the
academy's headmaster, declined to comment.
Several Sullivan students met with Norfolk Academy's cultural diversity
club Thursday as part of a series of events aimed at promoting tolerance,
Price said.
He has arranged for the Virginia Conference for Community and Justice and
the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater to work with students.
A message left for the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater was not
immediately returned Saturday.
Price also has consulted the Anti-Defamation League, a national group that
fights anti-Semitism.
"It is important that we work harder at having students leaving here who
are tolerant and understand how serious these kinds of things are," said
Price, who said diversity training will be incorporated permanently at
Sullivan.
LOL At least they didn't shout: We hate Jews!!! That would have been
offensive!
It's not about what you think is offensive, it's about who is being
taunted by the chant.
But I am glad they stood up for whom they love. We need more of
that. The world is woefully short on love as is. "We love Jesus" is NOT
anti-Semitic.
You're such a putz.
Jesus was a Jew and a Semite after all and you have to be an
atheist to pick on people who love.
Uh huh. You seem to only define love as how you love and what you
love. Xtians just loved all the people they tortured and killed over
the centuries, did it for their own good perhaps?
Thanks but no thanks for xtian love, especially in history, it's big
on talk but short on substance.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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26 Feb 2007 06:10:56 PM |
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"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:34:17 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"turk" <turk96@nowaynohow.not> wrote in message
news:DoOdnX2syozzZ33YnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
More of that "Christ love" ***** you're always hearing about.
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2Farticle%2F20070224%2FD8NG9RJ01.html
Principal Deems Jesus Chant Offensive
Feb 24, 3:18 PM (ET)
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - A Catholic school principal has organized
sensitivity training for students who shouted "We love Jesus" during a
basketball game against a school with Jewish students.
The word "Jew" also was painted on a gym wall behind the seats of Bishop
Sullivan Catholic High School students attending the Feb. 2 game at
Norfolk Academy, said Dennis W. Price, principal of the Virginia Beach
school.
Price who also watched the game, said the rivals exchanged chants,
"Then,
at some point, our students were chanting, 'We love Jesus.'"
"It was obviously in reference to the Jewish population of Norfolk
Academy; that's the only way you can take that," he added.
Price said he sent a letter of apology to Norfolk. Dennis G. Manning,
the
academy's headmaster, declined to comment.
Several Sullivan students met with Norfolk Academy's cultural diversity
club Thursday as part of a series of events aimed at promoting
tolerance,
Price said.
He has arranged for the Virginia Conference for Community and Justice
and
the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater to work with students.
A message left for the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater was not
immediately returned Saturday.
Price also has consulted the Anti-Defamation League, a national group
that
fights anti-Semitism.
"It is important that we work harder at having students leaving here who
are tolerant and understand how serious these kinds of things are," said
Price, who said diversity training will be incorporated permanently at
Sullivan.
LOL At least they didn't shout: We hate Jews!!! That would have been
offensive!
It's not about what you think is offensive, it's about who is being
taunted by the chant.
But I am glad they stood up for whom they love. We need more of
that. The world is woefully short on love as is. "We love Jesus" is NOT
anti-Semitic.
You're such a putz.
Jesus was a Jew and a Semite after all and you have to be an
atheist to pick on people who love.
Uh huh. You seem to only define love as how you love and what you
love. Xtians just loved all the people they tortured and killed over
the centuries, did it for their own good perhaps?
Thanks but no thanks for xtian love, especially in history, it's big
on talk but short on substance.
Typical atheist hate again against Christians for not living up to
atheist expectations and by chance not being perfect as our God is perfect.
But then atheists have no compunctions about killing at all, nor any
commandments against it. See below results.
Pastor Frank
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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27 Feb 2007 06:11:18 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:10:56 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:34:17 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"turk" <turk96@nowaynohow.not> wrote in message
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More of that "Christ love" ***** you're always hearing about.
snip
Jesus was a Jew and a Semite after all and you have to be an
atheist to pick on people who love.
Uh huh. You seem to only define love as how you love and what you
love. Xtians just loved all the people they tortured and killed over
the centuries, did it for their own good perhaps?
Thanks but no thanks for xtian love, especially in history, it's big
on talk but short on substance.
Typical atheist hate again against Christians for not living up to
atheist expectations and by chance not being perfect as our God is perfect.
Fibbing again, Frank.
It is not *our expectations, that xtians do not live up to, but
rather, their own self advertising.
If advertising standards were applied to religious propaganda, you
would be in gaol.
But then atheists have no compunctions about killing at all, nor any
commandments against it.
Let us just suppose that what you say is correct, and that atheists
have no compunction about killing.
So tell me, who is the more evil, the atheist who kills because he
knows no better, or the xtian who DOES know better, but kills anyway
because he knows that all he has to do, is "repent" before he dies,
and he gets a "Get out of goal free" card, and is off to heaven,
anyway?
See below results.
Pastor Frank
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone?
We have seen the figures, Frank.
What you, and everybody else has failed to show, it that they were
killed by atheists.
That web site you list, suggests that colonialism, has been
responsible for some fifty million deaths. That is, the good White
Anglo Saxon Christians, killed 50,000,000.
Hitler, another xtian, killed six million.
Mao, a Taoist, IIRC, NOT an atheist, killed some thirty eight million,
according to the site you list.
So there is eighty eight million to begin with, and not an atheist in
sight.
You wanna talk old Joe Stalin? Okay: Show that he was an atheist.
Remember, embracing communism, does not automatically make one a
communist.
Fact is, many priests have been communists, as is taught in the NT,
The Acts of the Apostles.
You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
I looked at it Frank, very interesting, but it does not support your
argument.
In fact, I didn't find a single reference to atheists, in the whole
site.
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
What you always avoid, is that the killings which you are claiming
prove something, pale to insignificance, when considered as a fraction
of the world population, and the tools available, then compared to the
killing done by xtians alone, over the centuries, and treated the same
way
Per capita, the xtians are still streets ahead.
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| User: "jem" |
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03 Mar 2007 04:34:49 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:10:56 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:8t96u21k3uiclatd0a5ghs3pk6t8td7s50@4ax.com...
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:34:17 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"turk" <turk96@nowaynohow.not> wrote in message
news:DoOdnX2syozzZ33YnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com...
More of that "Christ love" ***** you're always hearing about.
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2Farticle%2F20070224%2FD8NG9RJ01.html
Principal Deems Jesus Chant Offensive
Feb 24, 3:18 PM (ET)
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - A Catholic school principal has organized
sensitivity training for students who shouted "We love Jesus" during a
basketball game against a school with Jewish students.
The word "Jew" also was painted on a gym wall behind the seats of Bishop
Sullivan Catholic High School students attending the Feb. 2 game at
Norfolk Academy, said Dennis W. Price, principal of the Virginia Beach
school.
Price who also watched the game, said the rivals exchanged chants,
"Then,
at some point, our students were chanting, 'We love Jesus.'"
"It was obviously in reference to the Jewish population of Norfolk
Academy; that's the only way you can take that," he added.
Price said he sent a letter of apology to Norfolk. Dennis G. Manning,
the
academy's headmaster, declined to comment.
Several Sullivan students met with Norfolk Academy's cultural diversity
club Thursday as part of a series of events aimed at promoting
tolerance,
Price said.
He has arranged for the Virginia Conference for Community and Justice
and
the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater to work with students.
A message left for the United Jewish Federation of Tidewater was not
immediately returned Saturday.
Price also has consulted the Anti-Defamation League, a national group
that
fights anti-Semitism.
"It is important that we work harder at having students leaving here who
are tolerant and understand how serious these kinds of things are," said
Price, who said diversity training will be incorporated permanently at
Sullivan.
LOL At least they didn't shout: We hate Jews!!! That would have been
offensive!
It's not about what you think is offensive, it's about who is being
taunted by the chant.
But I am glad they stood up for whom they love. We need more of
that. The world is woefully short on love as is. "We love Jesus" is NOT
anti-Semitic.
You're such a putz.
Jesus was a Jew and a Semite after all and you have to be an
atheist to pick on people who love.
Uh huh. You seem to only define love as how you love and what you
love. Xtians just loved all the people they tortured and killed over
the centuries, did it for their own good perhaps?
Thanks but no thanks for xtian love, especially in history, it's big
on talk but short on substance.
Typical atheist hate again against Christians for not living up to
atheist expectations and by chance not being perfect as our God is perfect.
But then atheists have no compunctions about killing at all, nor any
commandments against it. See below results.
Pastor Frank
Atheists don't have the finely developed hate skills that xians do,
plain and simple. Your knee-jerk reaction to label atheists as haters
misses my point. Of course I realize you are unable to absorb any
critcism, everything bounces off your virtual dogma shield. I'll do it
again and you will sidestep the intent as usual, that's not your god,
I hate xians so on and so forth. The tactic of identifying the
atheists as mass murderers also ignores that the main players you call
atheists were not atheists like the ones here in this NG, nor were
they necessarily atheists by even loose definition. Some of them had
association with, and influence by religions, but you have many ways
to deny that. This is all beside the fact that atheists are simply
people that do not believe in the supernatural, they don't all chant
to or worship something. There are good and bad people of all
descriptions, I don't think any rational person can really deny that.
The methodolgy by which these evil leaders used is similar methodolgy
that is used to make followers of religion such staunch dagmatists.
The tendency to blindly follow these leaders or religions is the
aspect that offends me. The degree of fanatcism and willingness to
commit atrocities as blind followers is a real problem in history, and
right now. As individuals, away from specific topics, plenty of
religious people seem like very nice people and I am dear friends of
several, including family members I love. Naturally, I can't say I
have close relationships with people that would be accurately
described as fundies, but that is more a product of their tendency to
live in the bubble, their little world of self perpetuation. That same
tendency is what keeps us apart, fundies have such strict (and bizarre
to me) rules of association for themselves that contact with godless
people is mostly about attacking them. Twisting the facts of history
and theories of science to fit your worldview is phenomonally
counterproductive, politcal steps forward for fundies almost always
means steps backwards for free modern society.
If you do reply to this post, I fully expect you will dodge the intent
and pick at specific words and phrases with semantics that supports
your narrow views and exclusivities. You are better at attacking than
I am, but you've had training. Fundies seem to like killing the
message and the messenger, and you are just built that way I suppose.
I just try to think it through for myself, with a basic unwillingness
to blindly follow anything.
My ideals are simply constructed without hating anybody. It seems
religions can't truly say the same.
LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.
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04 Mar 2007 07:40:14 PM |
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"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:10:56 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Typical atheist hate again against Christians for not living up to
atheist expectations and by chance not being perfect as our God is
perfect.
But then atheists have no compunctions about killing at all, nor any
commandments against it. See below results.
Atheists don't have the finely developed hate skills that xians do,
plain and simple.
Again, atheists always and only know what 'is not', 'does not', 'will
not', they 'have not' etc. etc. all in the negative. When will atheists tell
what they DO believe, DO trust, DO follow, DO have etc. etc.?
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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05 Mar 2007 04:30:42 PM |
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:40:14 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:udgiu2tmrclheeghopkjmihue0q7g4i878@4ax.com...
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:10:56 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Typical atheist hate again against Christians for not living up to
atheist expectations and by chance not being perfect as our God is
perfect.
But then atheists have no compunctions about killing at all, nor any
commandments against it. See below results.
Atheists don't have the finely developed hate skills that xians do,
plain and simple.
Again, atheists always and only know what 'is not', 'does not', 'will
not', they 'have not' etc. etc. all in the negative. When will atheists tell
what they DO believe,
I DO believe that for which there is sufficient evidence.
DO trust,
I Do trust, that which has been adequately tried and tested.
DO follow,
I Do follow, the law.
DO have
I Do have, a very full and happy life, in the bosom of my family.
etc. etc.?
Yep, quite a few of those, too.
There you are Frank, I've answered you: And what has it gained you?
Nothing.
Has it made you any happier? I doubt it
Are you capable of accepting my answers, without making some snide
remark? I doubt it.
Did you even want anyone to answer? Almost certainly not.
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| User: "jem" |
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05 Mar 2007 08:35:59 PM |
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:40:14 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:udgiu2tmrclheeghopkjmihue0q7g4i878@4ax.com...
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:10:56 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Typical atheist hate again against Christians for not living up to
atheist expectations and by chance not being perfect as our God is
perfect.
But then atheists have no compunctions about killing at all, nor any
commandments against it. See below results.
Atheists don't have the finely developed hate skills that xians do,
plain and simple.
Again, atheists always and only know what 'is not', 'does not', 'will
not', they 'have not' etc. etc. all in the negative. When will atheists tell
what they DO believe, DO trust, DO follow, DO have etc. etc.?
I think that's ***** Frank, I bet you've seen it before.
Atheists don't all believe the same things, we are not godbots.
For myself,
I believe in reason.
I believe in objective search for truth.
I believe in the scientific approach to learning.
I believe in my family
I believe there are no supernatural or godly beings/entities
I believe I should try to make the world a tiny bit better somehow
I believe in my duty to my family and myself
I believe I will probably ruin the next thing I cook
I trust everyone I love.
I trust others whom I judge as trustworthy
I trust/believe that life is worth living well.
I follow my conscience. Especially after it beats me up.
I follow my instincts, usually.
I have a great family
I have a great wife
I have reasonably good health
I have people that love me
I have people I love
I have some interesting memories
I have a good job
A simple short list, I'm sure I could expand if I thought about it
some more.
I have you to tell me what is all wrong with my reply to you, Frank.
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08 Mar 2007 03:30:06 PM |
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"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:40:14 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:10:56 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Typical atheist hate again against Christians for not living up to
atheist expectations and by chance not being perfect as our God is
perfect.
But then atheists have no compunctions about killing at all, nor any
commandments against it. See below results.
Atheists don't have the finely developed hate skills that xians do,
plain and simple.
Again, atheists always and only know what 'is not', 'does not', 'will
not', they 'have not' etc. etc. all in the negative. When will atheists
tell
what they DO believe, DO trust, DO follow, DO have etc. etc.?
I think that's ***** Frank, I bet you've seen it before.
Atheists don't all believe the same things, we are not godbots.
For myself,
I believe in reason.
I believe in objective search for truth.
I believe in the scientific approach to learning.
I believe in my family
I believe there are no supernatural or godly beings/entities
I believe I should try to make the world a tiny bit better somehow
I believe in my duty to my family and myself
I believe I will probably ruin the next thing I cook
I trust everyone I love.
I trust others whom I judge as trustworthy
I trust/believe that life is worth living well.
I follow my conscience. Especially after it beats me up.
I follow my instincts, usually.
I have a great family
I have a great wife
I have reasonably good health
I have people that love me
I have people I love
I have some interesting memories
I have a good job
A simple short list, I'm sure I could expand if I thought about it
some more.
I have you to tell me what is all wrong with my reply to you, Frank.
You forgot: I am willing to lay down my life for my friends, like Christ
not only said, but did. See below
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command..."
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 05:30:06 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
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"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:40:14 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:10:56 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Typical atheist hate again against Christians for not living up to
atheist expectations and by chance not being perfect as our God is
perfect.
But then atheists have no compunctions about killing at all, nor any
commandments against it. See below results.
Atheists don't have the finely developed hate skills that xians do,
plain and simple.
Again, atheists always and only know what 'is not', 'does not', 'will
not', they 'have not' etc. etc. all in the negative. When will atheists
tell
what they DO believe, DO trust, DO follow, DO have etc. etc.?
I think that's ***** Frank, I bet you've seen it before.
Atheists don't all believe the same things, we are not godbots.
For myself,
I believe in reason.
I believe in objective search for truth.
I believe in the scientific approach to learning.
I believe in my family
I believe there are no supernatural or godly beings/entities
I believe I should try to make the world a tiny bit better somehow
I believe in my duty to my family and myself
I believe I will probably ruin the next thing I cook
I trust everyone I love.
I trust others whom I judge as trustworthy
I trust/believe that life is worth living well.
I follow my conscience. Especially after it beats me up.
I follow my instincts, usually.
I have a great family
I have a great wife
I have reasonably good health
I have people that love me
I have people I love
I have some interesting memories
I have a good job
A simple short list, I'm sure I could expand if I thought about it
some more.
I have you to tell me what is all wrong with my reply to you, Frank.
You forgot: I am willing to lay down my life for my friends, like Christ
not only said, but did. See below
Did I say it was a short list? yup.
It's possible I would do the same if the situation unfolded in
particular ways, I can't say I am eager to die.
Your jesus is a myth, I don't believe any of it.
Are you implying that you are willing to lay your life on the line for
your friends?
You can make wild claims, as does your religion. It is difficult to
believe somebody that believes the stuff you do, your grasp of reality
is certainly compromised.
Quoting the bible to an atheist is not a rational tactic, it usually
has the opposite effect that you are going for.
The bible is largely gibberish. The few pearls in it should be saved
and the trash discarded, as long as the trash is in it, it's
essentially useless.
A just society would render religion obsolete.
A religious society is not a just society.
Religion is a thorn in our side, and it threatens to destroy us all,
you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Religion is not the only problem by any means, but it sure is a
serious and hopefully curable ailment.
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 05:30:06 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
I have you to tell me what is all wrong with my reply to you, Frank.
You forgot: I am willing to lay down my life for my friends, like
Christ
not only said, but did. See below
Did I say it was a short list? yup.
It's possible I would do the same if the situation unfolded in
particular ways, I can't say I am eager to die.
Your jesus is a myth, I don't believe any of it.
Are you implying that you are willing to lay your life on the line for
your friends?
You can make wild claims, as does your religion. It is difficult to
believe somebody that believes the stuff you do, your grasp of reality
is certainly compromised.
Quoting the bible to an atheist is not a rational tactic, it usually
has the opposite effect that you are going for.
The bible is largely gibberish. The few pearls in it should be saved
and the trash discarded, as long as the trash is in it, it's
essentially useless.
A just society would render religion obsolete.
A religious society is not a just society.
Religion is a thorn in our side, and it threatens to destroy us all,
you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Religion is not the only problem by any means, but it sure is a
serious and hopefully curable ailment.
Those are all atheist mantras you are chanting, no thought nor evidence
required. I.e. the Bible which is one of the most influential literary works
the world has ever seen, is "gibberish" just because you can't understand
it? I mean, talk about hubris, you take the prize.
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:51:43 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 05:30:06 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
I have you to tell me what is all wrong with my reply to you, Frank.
You forgot: I am willing to lay down my life for my friends, like
Christ
not only said, but did. See below
Did I say it was a short list? yup.
It's possible I would do the same if the situation unfolded in
particular ways, I can't say I am eager to die.
Your jesus is a myth, I don't believe any of it.
Are you implying that you are willing to lay your life on the line for
your friends?
You can make wild claims, as does your religion. It is difficult to
believe somebody that believes the stuff you do, your grasp of reality
is certainly compromised.
Quoting the bible to an atheist is not a rational tactic, it usually
has the opposite effect that you are going for.
The bible is largely gibberish. The few pearls in it should be saved
and the trash discarded, as long as the trash is in it, it's
essentially useless.
A just society would render religion obsolete.
A religious society is not a just society.
Religion is a thorn in our side, and it threatens to destroy us all,
you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Religion is not the only problem by any means, but it sure is a
serious and hopefully curable ailment.
Those are all atheist mantras you are chanting, no thought nor evidence
required. I.e. the Bible which is one of the most influential literary works
the world has ever seen, is "gibberish" just because you can't understand
it? I mean, talk about hubris, you take the prize.
Are you implying that atheism is a religion by calling my opinions
mantras?
I arrived at my current opinions by thinking for myself, all you have
done is apply your interpretations of what was taught to you by
deluded people, and your lunatic bible. I'm giving you the benefit of
doubt saying you have your interpretations, you may have no personal
opinion, perhaps only certitude.
The fact that the bible is influential does not directly speak to its
authenticity, its accuracy, its truth, or that it is even a good
thing. Mein Kampf was influential, you like that too?
In that the bible contains gibberish, I just can't avoid that
conclusion. I agree that I don't understand why it is so influential
now. I have some understanding of how it became influential via
violence and suppression of competing philosophies, that's not exactly
agreeing that it made it strictly on its own merits. It was literally
forced upon subjugated peoples. Thunping on the bible and thumping on
people with the bible as the thumping instrument is your glorious
tradition.
Cherry picking the bible or allegorizing the ***** out of most of it to
make it a "good book" is pretty lame. The bible plainly sucks as a
whole. The fact that there are some good things in it, that not
incidentally come from outside and before it, is no reason to accept
that it is anythng special.
Talk about hubris? Okay, let's talk about hubris.
I concede my hubris only as far as I have confidence in my opinion,
and it is natural when one has an opinion that differs from mine that
can be described by the term arrogance, always targeting the opposing
opinion, as you have demonstrated. I am willing to state that this is
my opinion, yet you can't admit anything but certainty, and that is
the epitome of arrogance. You have this belief that out of the
millions of light years worth of space, where we have only been able
to detect life here, that a god exists and created just us, in his
image no less, and cares deeply about his creation. That is an extreme
example of arrogance, how the hell did we get to be so special Frank?
By having the arrogance of your kind of belief, only that way. Pure
arrogance, with all the side servings of how some people are extra
special and go to heaven, the earth is ours to rape, slavery was
abided, and a host of ancient stupidities you gloss over in your
blathering about love. That the ones not of your faith go to hell, how
is that not arrogance? Allegorize how a slave price is set for one's
own daughter Frank. By any twist, it's still *****.
By your title "pastor", you take it upon yourself to preach these
certainties and ***** to others, coercing and berating to your own
ends, an ultimate arrogance of forcing your views, "guiding the flock"
or whatever soft-soaping ***** you like call it, all in the name of
a man made myth.
That you are sustained financially by these peoples you "guide" is as
arrogant as it gets. You take it upon yourself to be the superior of
these peoples, you are the most hubristic type of person imaginable,
right up there with Mussolini and Stalin, you are full of hypocrisy
Frank. You just are not as successful as those guys.
That you are a self appointed dispenser of a magical being's
positions, rules, and directions is an extreme example of arrogance,
who the ***** are you to deserve such respect?
You are a walking talking (and unfortunately also typing) example of
"hubris".
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"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:51:43 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 05:30:06 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
I have you to tell me what is all wrong with my reply to you, Frank.
You forgot: I am willing to lay down my life for my friends, like
Christ not only said, but did. See below
Did I say it was a short list? yup.
It's possible I would do the same if the situation unfolded in
particular ways, I can't say I am eager to die.
Your jesus is a myth, I don't believe any of it.
Are you implying that you are willing to lay your life on the line for
your friends?
You can make wild claims, as does your religion. It is difficult to
believe somebody that believes the stuff you do, your grasp of reality
is certainly compromised.
Quoting the bible to an atheist is not a rational tactic, it usually
has the opposite effect that you are going for.
The bible is largely gibberish. The few pearls in it should be saved
and the trash discarded, as long as the trash is in it, it's
essentially useless.
A just society would render religion obsolete.
A religious society is not a just society.
Religion is a thorn in our side, and it threatens to destroy us all,
you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Religion is not the only problem by any means, but it sure is a
serious and hopefully curable ailment.
Those are all atheist mantras you are chanting, no thought nor
evidence
required. I.e. the Bible which is one of the most influential literary
works
the world has ever seen, is "gibberish" just because you can't understand
it? I mean, talk about hubris, you take the prize.
Are you implying that atheism is a religion by calling my opinions
mantras?
It's a belief system, or rather in your case a disbelief system.
I arrived at my current opinions by thinking for myself, all you have
done is apply your interpretations of what was taught to you by
deluded people, and your lunatic bible.
That's what I mean by hubris, you trying to make everyone believe you
re-invented the wheel when it comes to a sound philosophy of life.
I'm giving you the benefit of
doubt saying you have your interpretations, you may have no personal
opinion, perhaps only certitude.
The fact that the bible is influential does not directly speak to its
authenticity, its accuracy, its truth, or that it is even a good
thing. Mein Kampf was influential, you like that too?
Are some kind of mental Twinkie, to compare Mein Kampf with the Bible?
The Bible is the most translated, most printed and most sold book of all
times, it outsells all other books combined year after year, and has been
doing so since Gutenberg. It's influence for good is immense, but like
always those with evil intent will exploit the ignorance of others. That is
why the Bible was forbidden reading for most of it's history. In fact being
caught reading the Bible was sure to get you tortures and burned at the
stake during the Inquisition.
In that the bible contains gibberish, I just can't avoid that
conclusion.
It's ancient Semitic social and moral philosophy in mostly poetic
format, and there are indeed many people profoundly deaf and challenged when
it comes to philosophy of any kind. However, there is no shame in that. The
shame comes when the brainless conclude, that what they can't understand is
"gibberish".
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On Mar 20, 8:27 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"jem" <A0054...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:51:43 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"jem" <A0054...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 05:30:06 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
In response to jem's well crafted:
I arrived at my current opinions by thinking for myself, all you have
done is apply your interpretations of what was taught to you by
deluded people, and your lunatic bible.
Frankie the wonderpunk replied (nominated portion begins):
That's what I mean by hubris, you trying to make everyone believe you
re-invented the wheel when it comes to a sound philosophy of life.
Coming from a man who still doesn't realize there's nothing in his
mythology that's not borrowed from paganism or Judaism. For its irony,
respectfully nominated for Theist Quote of The Month, Mar `07. Call
for seconds.
(useless groups trimmed)
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:27:31 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:51:43 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 05:30:06 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:
I have you to tell me what is all wrong with my reply to you, Frank.
You forgot: I am willing to lay down my life for my friends, like
Christ not only said, but did. See below
Did I say it was a short list? yup.
It's possible I would do the same if the situation unfolded in
particular ways, I can't say I am eager to die.
Your jesus is a myth, I don't believe any of it.
Are you implying that you are willing to lay your life on the line for
your friends?
You can make wild claims, as does your religion. It is difficult to
believe somebody that believes the stuff you do, your grasp of reality
is certainly compromised.
Quoting the bible to an atheist is not a rational tactic, it usually
has the opposite effect that you are going for.
The bible is largely gibberish. The few pearls in it should be saved
and the trash discarded, as long as the trash is in it, it's
essentially useless.
A just society would render religion obsolete.
A religious society is not a just society.
Religion is a thorn in our side, and it threatens to destroy us all,
you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Religion is not the only problem by any means, but it sure is a
serious and hopefully curable ailment.
Those are all atheist mantras you are chanting, no thought nor
evidence
required. I.e. the Bible which is one of the most influential literary
works
the world has ever seen, is "gibberish" just because you can't understand
it? I mean, talk about hubris, you take the prize.
Are you implying that atheism is a religion by calling my opinions
mantras?
It's a belief system, or rather in your case a disbelief system.
I guess you could call evaluating on the basis of evidence and
history, a system.
I arrived at my current opinions by thinking for myself, all you have
done is apply your interpretations of what was taught to you by
deluded people, and your lunatic bible.
That's what I mean by hubris, you trying to make everyone believe you
re-invented the wheel when it comes to a sound philosophy of life.
I did not create the arguments or write anything new. I have a few
original thoughts but I'm sure they were all thought before by plenty
of people. I'm not trying to re-invent anything, I am simply
evaluating what is before me, and it looks like religion is a mistake,
and *****.
So the hubris of claiming we are created by god, and specially cared
for by him, doesn't register with you at all huh.
I'm giving you the benefit of
doubt saying you have your interpretations, you may have no personal
opinion, perhaps only certitude.
The fact that the bible is influential does not directly speak to its
authenticity, its accuracy, its truth, or that it is even a good
thing. Mein Kampf was influential, you like that too?
Are some kind of mental Twinkie, to compare Mein Kampf with the Bible?
The Bible is the most translated, most printed and most sold book of all
times, it outsells all other books combined year after year, and has been
doing so since Gutenberg. It's influence for good is immense, but like
always those with evil intent will exploit the ignorance of others. That is
why the Bible was forbidden reading for most of it's history. In fact being
caught reading the Bible was sure to get you tortures and burned at the
stake during the Inquisition.
The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
It's the best seller and most printed book in the world. Doesn't mean
it's true or good. It means it's the most printed book in history.
Repeating a lie millions of times does not make it true.
That's called propaganda. Maybe something the nazis learned from
religion.
You rate the truth and value of your bible by how many books have been
printed, I rate it by its content.
The irony that you present is kinda humorous to me, about it
exploiting ignorance, you hit the proverbial nail on the head there
Frank. That's a point against the bible, that it can be so easily used
to commit evil.
How is forbidding people to read it not exploiting ignorance?
The inquisition was a prime example of bible educated ignorance.
Tell me how this worldview statement compares to the bible, from the
point of view how it could be used to exploit ignorance and promote
evil.
http://tinyurl.com/os1u
Separate your brain from the jesusfilters just long enough to read
that page and consider how this could be used for evil compared to the
bible.
I don't think you have the mental courage to do it honestly.
In that the bible contains gibberish, I just can't avoid that
conclusion.
It's ancient Semitic social and moral philosophy in mostly poetic
format, and there are indeed many people profoundly deaf and challenged when
it comes to philosophy of any kind. However, there is no shame in that. The
shame comes when the brainless conclude, that what they can't understand is
"gibberish".
Like 95% of the National Academy of Sciences, gee those guys are such
idiots eh? If they are idiots, you and I are amoeba.
There is good in the bible, but way too much of it is crap. It's
ancient text by ancient peoples, with not so noble agendas in many
cases. It manipulates people with fear and causes division. It has
more immorality in it than morality. It was obsolete before it was
written. HA!
If tales of genocide and rules of slavery and all that ***** is poetry
to you, then you have very strange taste.
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The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values. There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ, in
fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite. The mere fact
that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally clueless about
what Christ is all about.
But then I suspect you are not here to investigate philosophies of life
and their originators, but you are here to ankle bite those who found
answers to life's questions in the teachings of Jesus Christ in particular,
and the great religious reformers in general, are you not?
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:59:04 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values.
Which were what -Exactly?
There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ, in
fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite.
There is every evidence that Hitler WAS following Jesus instructions.
( LUK 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should
reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.)
Hitler set out to do just that, to kill all those who would not be
ruled by your blood thirsty christos, namely, the Jews.
The mere fact
that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally clueless about
what Christ is all about.
The mere fact that you would deny it, shows that you are a salad bar,
xtian, only following the bits of Jesus teaching, that you like, and
ignoring/denying the rest.
But then I suspect you are not here to investigate philosophies of life
and their originators,
Are you, Frank?
If you are, why do you spend so much time insulting, flaming, and
trashing, other people's opinions, and so little time (like none), in
actual debate?
In so many ways, you fit perfectly, your own definition of an atheist.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:59:04 +0800, in alt.atheism
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
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"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values. There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ, in
fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite. The mere fact
that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally clueless about
what Christ is all about.
But if you feel comfortable saying that Hitler's behavior showed that he
was not a Christian, why shouldn't I point out that your behavior, while
not nearly as vile, also shows that you are not a Christian?
But then I suspect you are not here to investigate philosophies of life
and their originators, but you are here to ankle bite those who found
answers to life's questions in the teachings of Jesus Christ in particular,
and the great religious reformers in general, are you not?
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:19:28 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:59:04 +0800, in alt.atheism
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
<46072e12$0$16335$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values. There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ, in
fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite. The mere fact
that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally clueless about
what Christ is all about.
But if you feel comfortable saying that Hitler's behavior showed that he
was not a Christian, why shouldn't I point out that your behavior, while
not nearly as vile, also shows that you are not a Christian?
It is a matter of scope, really.
Within his own poor limitations, Frank is just as vile as Hitler, he
simply lacks the power/resource to manifest his hate, to the same
degree that Hitler did.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Mar 2007 03:55:21 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:19:28 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:59:04 +0800, in alt.atheism
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
<46072e12$0$16335$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:h69303hffk3v5n7pvn629g98rvg07congt@4ax.com...
The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values. There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ, in
fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite. The mere fact
that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally clueless about
what Christ is all about.
But if you feel comfortable saying that Hitler's behavior showed that he
was not a Christian, why shouldn't I point out that your behavior, while
not nearly as vile, also shows that you are not a Christian?
Because Frank's definition of "Christian", as is that of almost every
"Christian", is "what I do". And "what he does" is, in his eyes, what
Jesus would do - also the same as the rest of them.
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| User: "stumper" |
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26 Mar 2007 04:37:36 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:19:28 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:59:04 +0800, in alt.atheism
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
<46072e12$0$16335$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:h69303hffk3v5n7pvn629g98rvg07congt@4ax.com...
The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values. There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ, in
fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite. The mere fact
that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally clueless about
what Christ is all about.
But if you feel comfortable saying that Hitler's behavior showed that he
was not a Christian, why shouldn't I point out that your behavior, while
not nearly as vile, also shows that you are not a Christian?
Because Frank's definition of "Christian", as is that of almost every
"Christian", is "what I do". And "what he does" is, in his eyes, what
Jesus would do - also the same as the rest of them.
Sounds like a reasonable position to me.
Do you have a problem with that?
Are you expecting to find an objective truth or something?
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26 Mar 2007 04:56:41 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:h69303hffk3v5n7pvn629g98rvg07congt@4ax.com...
The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values. There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ, in
fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite. The mere fact
that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally clueless about
what Christ is all about.
AFAIK Christianity does not require anything except belief that Jesus of
Nazareth is the Messiah. Is there something else to it? There's lots of
other dogma and a watered down version of Judaism's ethics, but those
are not requirements for the Christian, are they?
But then I suspect you are not here to investigate philosophies of life
and their originators, but you are here to ankle bite those who found
answers to life's questions in the teachings of Jesus Christ in particular,
and the great religious reformers in general, are you not?
You are here not to investigate philosophies of life either, but rather
to try and put down other religions while attempting to elevate your own.
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30 Mar 2007 10:44:40 AM |
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"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:tkXNh.18857$uo3.12810@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:h69303hffk3v5n7pvn629g98rvg07congt@4ax.com...
The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values. There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ, in
fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite. The mere
fact that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally
clueless about what Christ is all about.
AFAIK Christianity does not require anything except belief that Jesus of
Nazareth is the Messiah. Is there something else to it? There's lots of
other dogma and a watered down version of Judaism's ethics, but those are
not requirements for the Christian, are they?
No, merely believing that Jesus is the Messiah without attempting to
follow His commandments will surely land in hell. See below
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,
shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy
name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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30 Mar 2007 06:04:16 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:tkXNh.18857$uo3.12810@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:h69303hffk3v5n7pvn629g98rvg07congt@4ax.com...
The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values. There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ, in
fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite. The mere
fact that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally
clueless about what Christ is all about.
AFAIK Christianity does not require anything except belief that Jesus of
Nazareth is the Messiah. Is there something else to it? There's lots of
other dogma and a watered down version of Judaism's ethics, but those are
not requirements for the Christian, are they?
No, merely believing that Jesus is the Messiah without attempting to
follow His commandments will surely land in hell. See below
But if one attempts and fails, it's OK, right? Like a Christian who
commits murder despite trying to control himself goes to heaven if he
tried not to, and repents afterwards?
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,
shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy
name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
So you cast away anyone who "works iniquity?" Does this mean that if you
do bad things, you can't be a Christian?
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03 Apr 2007 02:01:21 AM |
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"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:tkXNh.18857$uo3.12810@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:h69303hffk3v5n7pvn629g98rvg07congt@4ax.com...
The point was about the influence, not comparing the content.
There is probably parallels in them you don't like, with hitler being
christian and all.
Being Christian means being a follower of Christ, and sharing His
values. There is no evidence that Hitler shared the values of Christ,
in fact the evidence of Hitler's legacy shows quite the opposite. The
mere fact that you would call Hitler a Christian, shows you are totally
clueless about what Christ is all about.
AFAIK Christianity does not require anything except belief that Jesus of
Nazareth is the Messiah. Is there something else to it? There's lots of
other dogma and a watered down version of Judaism's ethics, but those
are not requirements for the Christian, are they?
No, merely believing that Jesus is the Messiah without attempting to
follow His commandments will surely land in hell. See below
But if one attempts and fails, it's OK, right? Like a Christian who
commits murder despite trying to control himself goes to heaven if he
tried not to, and repents afterwards?
"One attempt"? Anyone who throws himself at the mercy of his Father
which is in heaven will NOT be rejected, no matter how vile he is. Who
knows, even Hitler might be in heaven, for heaven is ONLY for forgiven
sinners, no others need apply.
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21 Mar 2007 06:50:05 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:27:31 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
I arrived at my current opinions by thinking for myself, all you have
done is apply your interpretations of what was taught to you by
deluded people, and your lunatic bible.
That's what I mean by hubris, you trying to make everyone believe you
re-invented the wheel when it comes to a sound philosophy of life.
And you can't do that, Jem, xtians are already making that claim for
them selves.
I'm giving you the benefit of
doubt saying you have your interpretations, you may have no personal
opinion, perhaps only certitude.
The fact that the bible is influential does not directly speak to its
authenticity, its accuracy, its truth, or that it is even a good
thing. Mein Kampf was influential, you like that too?
Are some kind of mental Twinkie, to compare Mein Kampf with the Bible?
The Bible is the most translated, most printed and most sold book of all
times,
It seems I have to help you out again. You left out half of your
sentence.
The Bible is the most translated, mistranslated, retranslated, misquoted, out of context quoted,
most printed most evil, and most sold book of all times.
There, that's better.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "jem" |
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22 Mar 2007 11:48:38 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:50:05 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:27:31 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
I arrived at my current opinions by thinking for myself, all you have
done is apply your interpretations of what was taught to you by
deluded people, and your lunatic bible.
That's what I mean by hubris, you trying to make everyone believe you
re-invented the wheel when it comes to a sound philosophy of life.
And you can't do that, Jem, xtians are already making that claim for
them selves.
I'm giving you the benefit of
doubt saying you have your interpretations, you may have no personal
opinion, perhaps only certitude.
The fact that the bible is influential does not directly speak to its
authenticity, its accuracy, its truth, or that it is even a good
thing. Mein Kampf was influential, you like that too?
Are some kind of mental Twinkie, to compare Mein Kampf with the Bible?
The Bible is the most translated, most printed and most sold book of all
times,
It seems I have to help you out again. You left out half of your
sentence.
The Bible is the most translated, mistranslated, retranslated, misquoted, out of context quoted,
most printed most evil, and most sold book of all times.
There, that's better.
Thanks! :)
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25 Mar 2007 08:15:42 PM |
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"jem" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:50:05 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:27:31 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
I arrived at my current opinions by thinking for myself, all you have
done is apply your interpretations of what was taught to you by
deluded people, and your lunatic bible.
That's what I mean by hubris, you trying to make everyone believe you
re-invented the wheel when it comes to a sound philosophy of life.
And you can't do that, Jem, xtians are already making that claim for
them selves.
I'm giving you the benefit of
doubt saying you have your interpretations, you may have no personal
opinion, perhaps only certitude.
The fact that the bible is influential does not directly speak to its
authenticity, its accuracy, its truth, or that it is even a good
thing. Mein Kampf was influential, you like that too?
Are some kind of mental Twinkie, to compare Mein Kampf with the
Bible?
The Bible is the most translated, most printed and most sold book of all
times,
It seems I have to help you out again. You left out half of your
sentence.
The Bible is the most translated, mistranslated, retranslated, misquoted,
out of context quoted,
most printed most evil, and most sold book of all times.
There, that's better.
And you have of course the evidence for that, ...but won't publish is
unless you are compensated adequately for the copyright. LOL
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