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"Gactimus" |
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07 Jan 2005 03:09:28 AM |
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Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle and
we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of Shiva. True
wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the 'distractions' of the
world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional suffering
of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a mirage
because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give alms to
those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest your body and
soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better to
let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves in
public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow of
the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities speaks
volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at least
on this account.
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| User: "Richard Dell" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 09:47:52 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Or to put it more succinctly:
TAOISM : ***** is.
CONFUCIANISM : Confusius says : "***** is."
BUDDHISM : These ***** is seeming.
ZEN : What's the noise of clapping ***** ?
HINDUISM : These ***** is from your former life.
JUDAISM : Why do we get all the ***** ?
ISLAM : If you're in the *****, it's Allah's wish.
STOICISM : ***** leaves me cold.
CATHOLICISM : You're in the ***** because you're sinful.
PROTESTANTISM : Give the ***** to an other.
CALVINISM : If you hit into *****, you don't work hard enough.
CALVINISTIC CHURCH : No ***** on Sunday.
CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST : God sends me speedy BIG *****!
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS: Let us save you out of your *****.
OSHO : Only funny ***** is real.
HARE KRISHNA : *****, *****, hare rama.
ATHEISM : There is no *****.
HIPPIES : ***** sits in you.
NEW AGE : Visualize a shitless situation.
RASTAFARIANS : Let's smoke this *****.
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| User: "Bush is the AntiChrist!! " |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 01:22:32 PM |
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Richard Dell wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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RASTAFARIANS : Let's smoke this *****.
ROTFL!!
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 04:10:59 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle and
we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of Shiva. True
wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the 'distractions' of the
world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional suffering
of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a mirage
because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give alms to
those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest your body and
soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better to
let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves in
public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow of
the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities speaks
volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at least
on this account.
Christians would blindly ignore all the above groups pitching in and helping
each other anyway, and they would fail to observe all the other groups
laughing at those pompous christian asses.
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| User: "Bush is the AntiChrist!! " |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 01:21:15 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle and
we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of Shiva. True
wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the 'distractions' of the
world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional suffering
of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a mirage
because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give alms to
those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest your body and
soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better to
let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves in
public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow of
the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities speaks
volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at least
on this account.
Ah yes another desperate post by the radical christians. Losing
converts to Islam is really having a negative effect on them.
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| User: "EjP" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 05:33:27 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle and
we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of Shiva. True
wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the 'distractions' of the
world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional suffering
of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a mirage
because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give alms to
those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest your body and
soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better to
let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves in
public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow of
the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities speaks
volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at least
on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
I (an atheist) personally donated several hundred dollars. How
much did you donate? or did you just pray?
-E
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| User: "the Moderator" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 07:08:59 PM |
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"EjP" <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in message
news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov...
Gactimus wrote:
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
I (an atheist) personally donated several hundred dollars. How
much did you donate? or did you just pray?
-E
Pledging money and actually giving it are two different things. I sounds
real good to offer up a huge pledge of money, but most of the pledged money
will never be sent.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 05:47:48 PM |
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EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle and
we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of Shiva. True
wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the 'distractions' of the
world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional suffering
of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a mirage
because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give alms to
those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest your body and
soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better to
let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves in
public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow of
the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities
speaks volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at
least on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
Actually, it is unconstitutional for the United States to give money
charitably.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 06:11:16 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle and
we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of Shiva. True
wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the 'distractions' of the
world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional suffering
of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a mirage
because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give alms to
those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest your body and
soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better to
let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves in
public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow of
the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities
speaks volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at
least on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
Actually, it is unconstitutional for the United States to give money
charitably.
So much for Christianity.
--
--sexkitten--
In Loving Memory of Jim Addison
9/18/71 - 12/30/04
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| User: "EjP" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 06:17:42 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle and
we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of Shiva. True
wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the 'distractions' of the
world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional suffering
of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a mirage
because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give alms to
those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest your body and
soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better to
let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves in
public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow of
the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities
speaks volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at
least on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
Actually, it is unconstitutional for the United States to give money
charitably.
So there's something in the Constitution that makes $350 million
OK, but anything larger wrong? I can't wait for your answer
on this one.
Don't get me wrong. I don't have a problem with the $350 M figure.
I was just pointing out that you have absolutely nothing to back
up your silly claims.
Rememeber, it was your God who drowned the whole world except for
one drunkard and his family.
-E
-E
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 06:23:16 PM |
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EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in news:crmjfg$8ie$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle and
we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of Shiva. True
wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the 'distractions' of the
world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional suffering
of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a mirage
because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give alms to
those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest your body and
soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better to
let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves in
public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow
of the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities
speaks volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at
least on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
Actually, it is unconstitutional for the United States to give money
charitably.
So there's something in the Constitution that makes $350 million
OK,
I never said this.
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| User: "Ron" |
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07 Jan 2005 05:56:58 PM |
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In article <dMGdnTKToOjZVkPcRVn-uw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle and
we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of Shiva. True
wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the 'distractions' of the
world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional suffering
of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a mirage
because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give alms to
those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest your body and
soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better to
let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves in
public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow of
the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities
speaks volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at
least on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
Actually, it is unconstitutional for the United States to give money
charitably.
Define charitably? I think a case can be made that support religion in
the US is then unconstitutional and can be stopped.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 06:07:39 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-21A21C.12565807012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <dMGdnTKToOjZVkPcRVn-uw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle
and we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of
Shiva. True wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the
'distractions' of the world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional
suffering of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a
mirage because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give
alms to those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest
your body and soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better
to let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves
in public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow
of the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily
shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities
speaks volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at
least on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
Actually, it is unconstitutional for the United States to give money
charitably.
Define charitably?
Generous in giving money or other help to the needy.
I think a case can be made that support religion in the US is then
unconstitutional and can be stopped.
Federally, yes. But states are free to do so.
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 06:32:51 PM |
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In article <Av6dnS3fMoJ2UkPcRVn-gA@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-21A21C.12565807012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <dMGdnTKToOjZVkPcRVn-uw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the cycle
and we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will of
Shiva. True wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the
'distractions' of the world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional
suffering of this world. The pain and suffering all around is just a
mirage because we have desire which leads to fear. We should give
alms to those made homeless and desperate, but no need to invest
your body and soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by islamic
codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside a building
and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked, it's better
to let them die since the Koran forbids women to expose themselves
in public. Also, female doctors must not treat women and vice versa.
Indeed, why are there even female doctors in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage, anger,
dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent overthrow
of the status quo(as long as it's not communist in which case anyone
caught looting or spreading fear/dissension would be summarily
shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities
speaks volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at
least on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
Actually, it is unconstitutional for the United States to give money
charitably.
Define charitably?
Generous in giving money or other help to the needy.
I think a case can be made that support religion in the US is then
unconstitutional and can be stopped.
Federally, yes. But states are free to do so.
Bush then seems to be acting unconstitutionally. I wonder if the other
side will seek any legal action -- an impeachment perhaps.
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07 Jan 2005 07:34:53 PM |
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"Ron" <ronis@home.com> wrote in message
news:ronis-78789B.13325107012005@news.isp.giganews.com...
In article <Av6dnS3fMoJ2UkPcRVn-gA@rcn.net>,
Bush then seems to be acting unconstitutionally. I wonder if the other
side will seek any legal action -- an impeachment perhaps.
That would be par for the course.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:42:51 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-78789B.13325107012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <Av6dnS3fMoJ2UkPcRVn-gA@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-21A21C.12565807012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <dMGdnTKToOjZVkPcRVn-uw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in
news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are
facing starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the
cycle and we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will
of Shiva. True wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the
'distractions' of the world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional
suffering of this world. The pain and suffering all around is
just a mirage because we have desire which leads to fear. We
should give alms to those made homeless and desperate, but no
need to invest your body and soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by
islamic codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside
a building and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked,
it's better to let them die since the Koran forbids women to
expose themselves in public. Also, female doctors must not treat
women and vice versa. Indeed, why are there even female doctors
in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage,
anger, dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent
overthrow of the status quo(as long as it's not communist in
which case anyone caught looting or spreading fear/dissension
would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically
and socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic
charities speaks volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians,
at least on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.p
hp Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
Actually, it is unconstitutional for the United States to give money
charitably.
Define charitably?
Generous in giving money or other help to the needy.
I think a case can be made that support religion in the US is then
unconstitutional and can be stopped.
Federally, yes. But states are free to do so.
Bush then seems to be acting unconstitutionally. I wonder if the other
side will seek any legal action -- an impeachment perhaps.
Not likely, since they are just as guilty of it, and it would be an
unpopular impeachment.
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| User: "Ron" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:00:41 PM |
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In article <76adnXL8P_i2RUPcRVn-og@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-78789B.13325107012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <Av6dnS3fMoJ2UkPcRVn-gA@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-21A21C.12565807012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <dMGdnTKToOjZVkPcRVn-uw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote in
news:crmgsh$7e4$1@info4.fnal.gov:
Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are
facing starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Hindus would say it was meant to be and it's all part of the
cycle and we should all meditate and accept it as the divine will
of Shiva. True wisdom and spirituality is to turn away from the
'distractions' of the world.
Buddhists would say we mustn't be tempted by the illusional
suffering of this world. The pain and suffering all around is
just a mirage because we have desire which leads to fear. We
should give alms to those made homeless and desperate, but no
need to invest your body and soul into helping the victims.
Muslims would say relief efforts must be totally guided by
islamic codes. For instance, if there are 50 women trapped inside
a building and they can only be pulled out half-clothed or naked,
it's better to let them die since the Koran forbids women to
expose themselves in public. Also, female doctors must not treat
women and vice versa. Indeed, why are there even female doctors
in the first place?
Communists would exploit the chaos and mayhem to spread rage,
anger, dissension, and hatred to rev up the people into a violent
overthrow of the status quo(as long as it's not communist in
which case anyone caught looting or spreading fear/dissension
would be summarily shot).
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically
and socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic
charities speaks volumes.
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians,
at least on this account.
Well this Christian group says that the tsunami was God's
way of killing gay Swedes:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.p
hp Maybe that's their idea of "helping".
For the record, The US, a mostly Christian nation, has pledged
$350M to aid the tsunami victims, while Japan, which is *smaller*
population of primarily Buddhists and Shintoists, has so far
pledged $500M.
Actually, it is unconstitutional for the United States to give money
charitably.
Define charitably?
Generous in giving money or other help to the needy.
I think a case can be made that support religion in the US is then
unconstitutional and can be stopped.
Federally, yes. But states are free to do so.
Bush then seems to be acting unconstitutionally. I wonder if the other
side will seek any legal action -- an impeachment perhaps.
Not likely, since they are just as guilty of it, and it would be an
unpopular impeachment.
Who cares. It does create an interesting political situation to remove
Bush from office -- unpopular or not. That anyone would support a
president that they know is acting unconstitutionally raises all sorts
of questions about the individual and their character.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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07 Jan 2005 05:25:29 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Church leaders of all faiths would be demanding more and more money and
slipping some in their pockets on the side. Any other silly questions?
--
--sexkitten--
In Loving Memory of Jim Addison
9/18/71 - 12/30/04
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
09 Jan 2005 02:11:34 PM |
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<piggybacking>
Gactimus pondered:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Depends. Are there any humans involved? Generally, when there are,
they react like human beings. This tends to cut across all racial,
social, economic and religious boundaries. I.e., some people will do
anything necessary (regardless of legality) to benefit from the
situation (kidnapping, murder, looting, etc...), some people will
"help from a distance" by giving money or other resources, some people
will jump right in and help directly, some people will ignore it if it
doesn't affect them personally, etc... etc... etc...
About the only way the question is meaningful to me is if you base the
groups you are querying about on how they would react - "How would the
following groups react: apathetic people, generous people, lazy
people, etc... etc... etc..." It would thus be a self-answering
question.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TGFycyBUcuRnZXI=?=" |
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07 Jan 2005 11:04:52 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
Well, we know that assholes like you would use the desaster to make up
stuff about people he doesn't like.
Lars T.
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| User: "pmhilton" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
10 Jan 2005 10:36:30 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
The lack of any notable atheistic charities speaks
volumes.
Generally speaking, in order to create an organized & identifiable
charity, one must first have an organized & identifiable infrastructure
whithin which to place it. Since the very concept of an organized &
identifiable atheist infrastructure is quite beyond the pale, it only
follows that one can readily note "the lack of any notable atheistic
charities."
Pete H
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Either everyone has rights or some have privileges.
It's really that simple.
Walt Kelly
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 03:52:01 AM |
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In article <LoWdnV5cw_T1YEDcRVn-iA@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at least
on this account.
The self-serving nature of 'altruism'. What a prideful attitude?
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| User: "C Lund" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
07 Jan 2005 04:44:09 PM |
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In article <LoWdnV5cw_T1YEDcRVn-iA@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
(bigoted BS snipped)
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at least
on this account.
Some xpns would want to help. Others rejoice at heathens being struck
down by the Wrath of God:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/faq.html#Tsunami
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund
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| User: "Nash*ton" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
08 Jan 2005 02:05:18 AM |
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C Lund wrote:
In article <LoWdnV5cw_T1YEDcRVn-iA@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
(bigoted BS snipped)
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at least
on this account.
From what I've seen so far, predominantly Christian countries are the
ones that have helped the most.
Nicolas
Some xpns would want to help. Others rejoice at heathens being struck
down by the Wrath of God:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/faq.html#Tsunami
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
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| User: "C Lund" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
08 Jan 2005 09:26:30 AM |
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In article <ydHDd.205897$Np3.8664651@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
Nash*ton <Nash@nash.com> wrote:
From what I've seen so far, predominantly Christian countries are the
ones that have helped the most.
That's because countries that have an xpn history are those that have
most money. The rest of the world is generally poor.
Nicolas
--
C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund
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| User: "George Graves" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
08 Jan 2005 11:24:17 PM |
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In article <clund-88DC80.10263008012005@amstwist00.chello.com>,
C Lund <clund@notam02SPAMBLOCK.no> wrote:
In article <ydHDd.205897$Np3.8664651@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
Nash*ton <Nash@nash.com> wrote:
From what I've seen so far, predominantly Christian countries are the
ones that have helped the most.
That's because countries that have an xpn history are those that have
most money. The rest of the world is generally poor.
You might have noticed that the oil-rich Muslim countries are the most
niggardly with their help in the wake of this disaster.
--
George Graves
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"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French
one behind me." Gen. G.S. Patton
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| User: "ZnU" |
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10 Jan 2005 05:16:29 AM |
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In article
<gmgravesnos-AD5DAB.15214408012005@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
In article <clund-88DC80.10263008012005@amstwist00.chello.com>,
C Lund <clund@notam02SPAMBLOCK.no> wrote:
In article <ydHDd.205897$Np3.8664651@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
Nash*ton <Nash@nash.com> wrote:
From what I've seen so far, predominantly Christian countries are the
ones that have helped the most.
That's because countries that have an xpn history are those that have
most money. The rest of the world is generally poor.
You might have noticed that the oil-rich Muslim countries are the most
niggardly with their help in the wake of this disaster.
That has been true historically, but maybe it's changing:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050106/ap_on_re_mi_e
a/tsunami_saudi
"RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudis streamed into a stadium to load bundles
of clothes into trucks and stuff glass boxes with cash Thursday as the
government launched a public campaign to help southeast Asian tsunami
victims.
The stadium was the heart of a live national telethon that raised $67.4
million in 11 hours, of which King Fahd donated $5.3 million and Crown
Prince Abdullah donated $1.3 million, according to Saudi television."
--
Is Bush wearing a LifeVest defibrillator?
http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/136872/
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| User: "C Lund" |
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09 Jan 2005 09:27:44 AM |
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In article
<gmgravesnos-AD5DAB.15214408012005@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
In article <clund-88DC80.10263008012005@amstwist00.chello.com>,
C Lund <clund@notam02SPAMBLOCK.no> wrote:
In article <ydHDd.205897$Np3.8664651@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
Nash*ton <Nash@nash.com> wrote:
From what I've seen so far, predominantly Christian countries are the
ones that have helped the most.
That's because countries that have an xpn history are those that have
most money. The rest of the world is generally poor.
You might have noticed that the oil-rich Muslim countries are the most
niggardly with their help in the wake of this disaster.
No, the *leaders* of those countries are the most niggardly - because
they have all the wealth. The populace itself is relatively poor.
--
George Graves
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C Lund, www.notam02.no/~clund
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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08 Jan 2005 10:57:03 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:05:18 GMT, Nash*ton <Nash@nash.com> wrote:
C Lund wrote:
In article <LoWdnV5cw_T1YEDcRVn-iA@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
(bigoted BS snipped)
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at least
on this account.
From what I've seen so far, predominantly Christian countries are the
ones that have helped the most.
Japan has made the largest contribution so far per capita and many
other countries in the region have rendered assistance.
You have to measure the size of the aid by the size of the population.
The UK for instance has given less than the USA but we are 61 miliions
against the US 248 millions. The USA is also the richest nation though
Europe is catching up.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and other religions in the face of disaster |
08 Jan 2005 01:41:00 PM |
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In our last episode <4tevt0t3h3pclf40flt3pm7ibvtg30l05q@4ax.com>, Les
Hellawell lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:05:18 GMT, Nash*ton <Nash@nash.com> wrote:
C Lund wrote:
In article <LoWdnV5cw_T1YEDcRVn-iA@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Suppose there's a major disaster and thousands of people are facing
starvation, disease, and death.
How would different groups react?
(bigoted BS snipped)
Christians would simply want to help. God bless the Christians, at
least on this account.
From what I've seen so far, predominantly Christian countries are the
ones that have helped the most.
Japan has made the largest contribution so far per capita and many other
countries in the region have rendered assistance.
You have to measure the size of the aid by the size of the population. The
UK for instance has given less than the USA but we are 61 miliions against
the US 248 millions. The USA is also the richest nation though Europe is
catching up.
Not to mention, why it's so significant to note that rich nations can give
more than poor nations.
The proper comment is:
"From what I've seen so far, predominantly wealthy countries are the ones
that have helped the most."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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07 Jan 2005 02:04:13 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:09:28 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> puked:
Atheists are generally not involved in helping the economically and
socially disadvantaged. The lack of any notable atheistic charities speaks
volumes.
You idiot, if xtians gave money directly to their charities like
atheists do instead of giving it to the church it would be a lot more
effective. Unless you like seeing your hard earned cash going to
victims of pedophiles as hush money...
--
lab~rat >:-)
The less you care, the more it doesn't matter.
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