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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Josef Balluch"
Date: 03 May 2005 10:55:47 AM
Object: Christianity Continues to Decline in America
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
..htm
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized religion
to "none at all".
Regards,
Josef
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 02 Apr 2005 01:40:54 PM
On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:47 -0400, "Josef Balluch" <josef.balluch@sympatico.can>
wrote:


http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
.htm

The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.

How so, when we continue to increase.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 02 Apr 2005 01:43:08 PM
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:47 -0400, "Josef Balluch"
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can>
wrote:


http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
.htm

The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.


How so, when we continue to increase.

Because there's a GREATER increase in people who DON'T believe your crap.
How stupid do you have to be not to figure that out for yourself?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 02 Apr 2005 05:45:23 PM
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:47 -0400, "Josef Balluch"
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can>
wrote:


http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/0
1style .htm

The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.


How so, when we continue to increase.


Because there's a GREATER increase in people who DON'T believe your
crap.

How stupid do you have to be not to figure that out for yourself?

Look at his name and remember stupidities past; understanding will dawn,
Grasshoppah ;)
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Never use a weapon you don't like the taste of.
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 03 Apr 2005 07:23:42 AM
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:43:08 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:

The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.

How so, when we continue to increase.

Because there's a GREATER increase in people who DON'T believe your crap.
How stupid do you have to be not to figure that out for yourself?

Your God will not like you talking about his stuff as "crap".
And then, the biggie: 2000 years ago there were 13 Christians. Today there are
2 billion. Atheism is about to die out.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Woden"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 03 Apr 2005 08:16:04 AM
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ksnv411a75decj77ahu4bq58d6688q42s2@4ax.com:

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:43:08 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:

The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.


How so, when we continue to increase.


Because there's a GREATER increase in people who DON'T believe your
crap. How stupid do you have to be not to figure that out for
yourself?


Your God will not like you talking about his stuff as "crap".

And then, the biggie: 2000 years ago there were 13 Christians. Today
there are 2 billion. Atheism is about to die out.

duke

LOL.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 03 Apr 2005 05:34:19 PM
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:16:04 GMT, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ksnv411a75decj77ahu4bq58d6688q42s2@4ax.com:

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:43:08 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:

The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.


How so, when we continue to increase.


Because there's a GREATER increase in people who DON'T believe your
crap. How stupid do you have to be not to figure that out for
yourself?


Your God will not like you talking about his stuff as "crap".

And then, the biggie: 2000 years ago there were 13 Christians. Today
there are 2 billion. Atheism is about to die out.

duke


LOL.

That's right - less than 1%.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Woden"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 03 Apr 2005 08:19:20 PM
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:mqr051pe8t9ustok1gevfe37keo87amc5o@4ax.com:

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:16:04 GMT, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ksnv411a75decj77ahu4bq58d6688q42s2@4ax.com:

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:43:08 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:

The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.


How so, when we continue to increase.


Because there's a GREATER increase in people who DON'T believe your
crap. How stupid do you have to be not to figure that out for
yourself?


Your God will not like you talking about his stuff as "crap".

And then, the biggie: 2000 years ago there were 13 Christians.
Today there are 2 billion. Atheism is about to die out.

duke


LOL.


That's right - less than 1%.

Gotta laugh at anyone who lives in such a fantasy world.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 04 Apr 2005 05:34:56 PM
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 01:19:20 GMT, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:

That's right - less than 1%.

Gotta laugh at anyone who lives in such a fantasy world.

Read it and weep.
US Values:
Christianity 151,225,000 159,030,000 76.5% +5%
Nonreligious/Secular 13,116,000 27,539,000 13.2% +110%
Judaism 3,137,000 2,831,000 1.3% -10%
Islam 527,000 1,104,000 0.5% +109%
Buddhism 401,000 1,082,000 0.5% +170%
Agnostic 1,186,000 991,000 0.5% -16%
Atheist 902,000 0.4%
Hinduism 227,000 766,000 0.4% +237%
Unitarian Universalist 502,000 629,000 0.3% +25%
Wiccan/Pagan/Druid 307,000 0.1%
Spiritualist 116,000
Native American Religion 47,000 103,000 +119%
Baha'i 28,000 84,000 +200%
New Age 20,000 68,000 +240%
Sikhism 13,000 57,000 +338%
Scientology 45,000 55,000 +22%
Humanist 29,000 49,000 +69%
Deity (Deist) 6,000 49,000 +717%
Taoist 23,000 40,000 +74%
Eckankar 18,000 26,000 +44%
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 04 Apr 2005 09:25:20 PM
On 04 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 01:19:20 GMT, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:

That's right - less than 1%.

Gotta laugh at anyone who lives in such a fantasy world.


Read it and weep.

US Values:
Christianity 151,225,000 159,030,000 76.5% +5%
Nonreligious/Secular 13,116,000 27,539,000 13.2% +110%
Judaism 3,137,000 2,831,000 1.3% -10%
Islam 527,000 1,104,000 0.5% +109%
Buddhism 401,000 1,082,000 0.5% +170%
Agnostic 1,186,000 991,000 0.5% -16%
Atheist 902,000 0.4%
Hinduism 227,000 766,000 0.4% +237%
Unitarian Universalist 502,000 629,000 0.3% +25%
Wiccan/Pagan/Druid 307,000 0.1%
Spiritualist 116,000
Native American Religion 47,000 103,000 +119%
Baha'i 28,000 84,000 +200%
New Age 20,000 68,000 +240%
Sikhism 13,000 57,000 +338%
Scientology 45,000 55,000 +22%
Humanist 29,000 49,000 +69%
Deity (Deist) 6,000 49,000 +717%
Taoist 23,000 40,000 +74%
Eckankar 18,000 26,000 +44%

0.4% has the balls to proclaim they are atheist. The rest write
Nonreligious/secular. Do you somehow think a nonreligious person is
religious? If so, Woden is right. You live in a fantasy world.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 05 Apr 2005 05:32:58 PM
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:25:20 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:

0.4% has the balls to proclaim they are atheist.

Yep, these are the stupid ones.

The rest write
Nonreligious/secular. Do you somehow think a nonreligious person is
religious?

Do you somehow think he is an atheist? Nope. Atheists deny the existence of
God. Others are unsure. Unsure does not an atheist make. The unsure will
become religious as they age.

If so, Woden is right. You live in a fantasy world.

Woodie has a knothole for a brain.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 05 Apr 2005 08:55:13 PM
On 05 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

Atheists deny the existence of
God.

You say that from the assumption that there is a god. You are making an
unbacked assertion. Atheists do not believe in any (of the thousands of)
gods. That is all a-theist means. Non-god-believer. We do not deny god
any more than you deny Santa Claus.
Go ahead and post Webster. But don't forget, that definition was written
by theists who don't know diddly about atheism.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 06 Apr 2005 05:36:37 PM
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:55:13 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:

Atheists deny the existence of
God.

You say that from the assumption that there is a god. You are making an
unbacked assertion.

so are you.

Atheists do not believe in any (of the thousands of)
gods.

I believe - you don't. We have the same proof for a decision. I have loads of
evidence to back up my decision. We will each reap the rewards of our decision.
Remember: me - win (hopefully)/no win. You: lose/no win. No win comes into
play if there is no almighty God.
Best of luck with your decision.

That is all a-theist means. Non-god-believer. We do not deny god
any more than you deny Santa Claus.

Nope - an atheist denies.

Go ahead and post Webster. But don't forget, that definition was written
by theists who don't know diddly about atheism.

Your eternal damnation is not my problem to worry about.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 06 Apr 2005 09:27:13 PM
On 06 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:55:13 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

Atheists deny the existence of
God.


You say that from the assumption that there is a god. You are making
an unbacked assertion.


so are you.

No, I am not. I am only deciding not to believe what you assert.


Atheists do not believe in any (of the thousands of)
gods.


I believe - you don't. We have the same proof for a decision. I
have loads of evidence to back up my decision. We will each reap the
rewards of our decision.

Remember: me - win (hopefully)/no win. You: lose/no win. No win
comes into play if there is no almighty God.

Best of luck with your decision.

<yawm>


That is all a-theist means. Non-god-believer. We do not deny god
any more than you deny Santa Claus.


Nope - an atheist denies.

Liar. There is nothing to deny, as you have not supplied valid proof
there is a god.


Go ahead and post Webster. But don't forget, that definition was
written by theists who don't know diddly about atheism.


Your eternal damnation is not my problem to worry about.

Your constant rebuttals show the opposite.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "AngryJohn"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 06 Apr 2005 10:36:19 PM
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:27:13 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

On 06 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:55:13 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

Atheists deny the existence of
God.


You say that from the assumption that there is a god. You are making
an unbacked assertion.


so are you.


No, I am not. I am only deciding not to believe what you assert.


Atheists do not believe in any (of the thousands of)
gods.


I believe - you don't. We have the same proof for a decision. I
have loads of evidence to back up my decision. We will each reap the
rewards of our decision.

Remember: me - win (hopefully)/no win. You: lose/no win. No win
comes into play if there is no almighty God.

Best of luck with your decision.


<yawm>


That is all a-theist means. Non-god-believer. We do not deny god
any more than you deny Santa Claus.


Nope - an atheist denies.


Liar. There is nothing to deny, as you have not supplied valid proof
there is a god.


Go ahead and post Webster. But don't forget, that definition was
written by theists who don't know diddly about atheism.


Your eternal damnation is not my problem to worry about.


Your constant rebuttals show the opposite.

Earl's comment certainly begs the question of why he even posts here.
------------------------------
aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 07 Apr 2005 05:26:22 PM
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:27:13 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:

so are you.

No, I am not. I am only deciding not to believe what you assert.

How can you arbitrarily decide not to believe something? That's admitting you
have no reason for your beliefs. Of course, that is what you do anyway as an
atheist.

Best of luck with your decision.

<yawm>

yawm? Is that shorter than or longer than all eternity?

That is all a-theist means. Non-god-believer. We do not deny god
any more than you deny Santa Claus.


Nope - an atheist denies.

Liar. There is nothing to deny, as you have not supplied valid proof
there is a god.

Nope, if you are merely unsure based on the evidence available, you are an
agnostic. If you deny, then you are an atheist.

Go ahead and post Webster. But don't forget, that definition was
written by theists who don't know diddly about atheism.

Your eternal damnation is not my problem to worry about.

Your constant rebuttals show the opposite.

Just trying to help you, bubba.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 07 Apr 2005 07:13:56 PM
On 07 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:27:13 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

so are you.

No, I am not. I am only deciding not to believe what you assert.


How can you arbitrarily decide not to believe something? That's
admitting you have no reason for your beliefs. Of course, that is
what you do anyway as an atheist.

Best of luck with your decision.

<yawm>


yawm? Is that shorter than or longer than all eternity?

Does Xnews have a spellchecker? I never bothered to look.


That is all a-theist means. Non-god-believer. We do not deny god
any more than you deny Santa Claus.


Nope - an atheist denies.


Liar. There is nothing to deny, as you have not supplied valid proof
there is a god.


Nope, if you are merely unsure based on the evidence available, you
are an agnostic. If you deny, then you are an atheist.

There is nothing there to deny, puke. You call it denial because you've
assumed the validity of your conclusion before you've examined the
evidence (for which there is none). "Denial" is your opinion, something
for which I don't give a *****.


Go ahead and post Webster. But don't forget, that definition was
written by theists who don't know diddly about atheism.

Your eternal damnation is not my problem to worry about.

Your constant rebuttals show the opposite.


Just trying to help you, bubba.

I wouldn't ask someone as intellectually bankrupt as yourself for help
changing a tire.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.

User: "RainLover"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 08 Apr 2005 10:01:03 AM
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:26:22 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:27:13 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:

so are you.

No, I am not. I am only deciding not to believe what you assert.


How can you arbitrarily decide not to believe something? That's admitting you
have no reason for your beliefs. Of course, that is what you do anyway as an
atheist.

Why did you arbitrarily decide not to believe in Allah, or the Easter
Bunny, or Zeus? Why don't you believe in Karma or Reincarnation?
Although, on reincarnation, I find it amusing that upwards of 25% of
Christians *DO* believe they will be reincarnated to this world.

That is all a-theist means. Non-god-believer. We do not deny god
any more than you deny Santa Claus.


Nope - an atheist denies.


Liar. There is nothing to deny, as you have not supplied valid proof
there is a god.


Nope, if you are merely unsure based on the evidence available, you are an
agnostic. If you deny, then you are an atheist.

And if you are SURE based on all the evidence available, *YOU*, Duke,
are Agnostic. How's that make you feel?
I mean, come on, you can admit it to us.. you've have moments where
you doubt your God... question if He really could exist. If you
haven't, you'd be the ONLY Christian who hasn't.

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

FROM GOD, YET *IGNORED* BY POPE PAUL VI:
And when ye pray thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are for they love
to stand praying-- that they may be seen of men.
But when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and shut thy door, and
pray to thy Father which is in secret--" and "But when you pray, use
not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they
shall be heard for their much speaking--"
Name a religion that uses 'vain repetitiion' more than the Catholics
(other than the Hare Krishnas, of course)?
YOU CAN'T, can you?
james, Seattle
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User: "Walter Bushell"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 11 Apr 2005 12:47:42 PM
In article <186d51p4odvpordfj1dtoun3vn3dutvj2c@4ax.com>,
RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:26:22 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:27:13 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com>
wrote:

so are you.

No, I am not. I am only deciding not to believe what you assert.


How can you arbitrarily decide not to believe something? That's admitting
you
have no reason for your beliefs. Of course, that is what you do anyway as
an
atheist.


Why did you arbitrarily decide not to believe in Allah, or the Easter
Bunny, or Zeus? Why don't you believe in Karma or Reincarnation?

Although, on reincarnation, I find it amusing that upwards of 25% of
Christians *DO* believe they will be reincarnated to this world.


That is all a-theist means. Non-god-believer. We do not deny god
any more than you deny Santa Claus.


Nope - an atheist denies.


Liar. There is nothing to deny, as you have not supplied valid proof
there is a god.


Nope, if you are merely unsure based on the evidence available, you are an
agnostic. If you deny, then you are an atheist.


And if you are SURE based on all the evidence available, *YOU*, Duke,
are Agnostic. How's that make you feel?

I mean, come on, you can admit it to us.. you've have moments where
you doubt your God... question if He really could exist. If you
haven't, you'd be the ONLY Christian who hasn't.


*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****



FROM GOD, YET *IGNORED* BY POPE PAUL VI:

And when ye pray thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are for they love
to stand praying-- that they may be seen of men.

But when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and shut thy door, and
pray to thy Father which is in secret--" and "But when you pray, use
not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they
shall be heard for their much speaking--"


Name a religion that uses 'vain repetitiion' more than the Catholics
(other than the Hare Krishnas, of course)?

YOU CAN'T, can you?

james, Seattle

Repetitions, are not forbidden, only _vain_ repetitons. It depends on if
the repetitions are done with intent or not determins wether they are
vain or not.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 08 Apr 2005 02:23:56 PM
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:01:03 -0700, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:

Why did you arbitrarily decide not to believe in Allah, or the Easter
Bunny, or Zeus? Why don't you believe in Karma or Reincarnation?

None of those ever rose from the dead.

Although, on reincarnation, I find it amusing that upwards of 25% of
Christians *DO* believe they will be reincarnated to this world.

Contrary to Christianity, but believe it if you will.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 08 Apr 2005 08:40:37 PM
On 08 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:01:03 -0700, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:

Why did you arbitrarily decide not to believe in Allah, or the Easter
Bunny, or Zeus? Why don't you believe in Karma or Reincarnation?


None of those ever rose from the dead.

In reality, nothing has ever risen from the dead. Immortality is an
unproven christian myth.


Although, on reincarnation, I find it amusing that upwards of 25% of
Christians *DO* believe they will be reincarnated to this world.


Contrary to Christianity, but believe it if you will.

Ah, this is funny. You support reincarnation and ressurection but you
deny reality because reality suggests that death is the end of life.
Your entire worldview is based on wishful thinking, do you know that?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 09 Apr 2005 07:15:40 AM
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:40:37 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:

None of those ever rose from the dead.

In reality, nothing has ever risen from the dead. Immortality is an
unproven christian myth.

In reality, prove to me there is no God. In fact, just offer me some evidence
there is no God. Evidence is a whole lot easier to come by than proof.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "GlennGlenn"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 09 Apr 2005 12:03:45 PM
In article <dphf51pp30emf2dajnnl3dp17cmbn8mqg8@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:40:37 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com>
wrote:

None of those ever rose from the dead.


In reality, nothing has ever risen from the dead. Immortality is an
unproven christian myth.


In reality, prove to me there is no God. In fact, just offer me some evidence
there is no God. Evidence is a whole lot easier to come by than proof.

The evidence *YOU* would need doesn't even have to go that far, Earl.
There is clear evidence that *most* of the biblical tales were ripped
from somewhere else and didn't happen. Significant examples include
Israel enslaved by Egypt, the Israelites wandering the desert for 40
years, Sodom...
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --

I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 09 Apr 2005 01:27:38 PM
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:03:45 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:

In reality, prove to me there is no God. In fact, just offer me some evidence
there is no God. Evidence is a whole lot easier to come by than proof.

The evidence *YOU* would need doesn't even have to go that far, Earl.
There is clear evidence that *most* of the biblical tales were ripped
from somewhere else and didn't happen.

Ok, so show me some evidence that Mary and Joseph didn't stay in a manger.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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User: "GlennGlenn"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 09 Apr 2005 02:36:43 PM
In article <hi7g5159ic9k9a8t0jglpn46vjdo732lut@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:03:45 GMT, GlennGlenn
<

> wrote:

In reality, prove to me there is no God. In fact, just offer me some
evidence
there is no God. Evidence is a whole lot easier to come by than proof.


The evidence *YOU* would need doesn't even have to go that far, Earl.
There is clear evidence that *most* of the biblical tales were ripped
from somewhere else and didn't happen.


Ok, so show me some evidence that Mary and Joseph didn't stay in a manger.

You mean that someone named Mary and someone named Joseph didn't stay
in a manger (together or separately) somewhere?
Who cares? Who knows? Heck, it just might be happening this very
minute.
Your point? I see you snipped most of the biblical allegations that
have been fairly well discounted.
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --

I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 10 Apr 2005 08:16:23 AM
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:36:43 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:

Ok, so show me some evidence that Mary and Joseph didn't stay in a manger.

You mean that someone named Mary and someone named Joseph didn't stay
in a manger (together or separately) somewhere?

You know the couple.

Who cares? Who knows? Heck, it just might be happening this very
minute.

Ok, you're still a dummy incapable of discussion.

Your point? I see you snipped most of the biblical allegations that
have been fairly well discounted.

Your pencil is broken.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 09 Apr 2005 01:43:51 PM
On 09 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:03:45 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:

In reality, prove to me there is no God. In fact, just offer me some
evidence
there is no God. Evidence is a whole lot easier to come by than
proof.


The evidence *YOU* would need doesn't even have to go that far, Earl.
There is clear evidence that *most* of the biblical tales were ripped
from somewhere else and didn't happen.


Ok, so show me some evidence that Mary and Joseph didn't stay in a
manger.

Show me some evidence they didn't stay at Herod's palace.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 09 Apr 2005 02:26:29 PM
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:43:51 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:

On 09 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:03:45 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:

In reality, prove to me there is no God. In fact, just offer me some
evidence
there is no God. Evidence is a whole lot easier to come by than
proof.


The evidence *YOU* would need doesn't even have to go that far, Earl.
There is clear evidence that *most* of the biblical tales were ripped
from somewhere else and didn't happen.


Ok, so show me some evidence that Mary and Joseph didn't stay in a
manger.


Show me some evidence they didn't stay at Herod's palace.

Don't have to - they didn't. No evidence that they did. All evidence is that
they stayed in a manger (technically it a cave, but I enjoy correcting you).
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 09 Apr 2005 03:19:39 PM
On 09 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:43:51 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

On 09 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:03:45 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:

In reality, prove to me there is no God. In fact, just offer me
some evidence
there is no God. Evidence is a whole lot easier to come by than
proof.


The evidence *YOU* would need doesn't even have to go that far,
Earl. There is clear evidence that *most* of the biblical tales were
ripped from somewhere else and didn't happen.


Ok, so show me some evidence that Mary and Joseph didn't stay in a
manger.


Show me some evidence they didn't stay at Herod's palace.


Don't have to - they didn't. No evidence that they did. All evidence
is that they stayed in a manger (technically it a cave, but I enjoy
correcting you).

The only thing that says that is the bible. The bible is not evidence of
itself.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.





User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 09 Apr 2005 11:11:08 AM
On 09 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:40:37 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

None of those ever rose from the dead.


In reality, nothing has ever risen from the dead. Immortality is an
unproven christian myth.


In reality, prove to me there is no God. In fact, just offer me some
evidence there is no God. Evidence is a whole lot easier to come by
than proof.

Shifting the burden again, I see.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.



User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America 09 Apr 2005 07:58:43 AM
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:23:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:01:03 -0700, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:

Why did you arbitrarily decide not to believe in Allah, or the Easter
Bunny, or Zeus? Why don't you believe in Karma or Reincarnation?


None of those ever rose from the dead.

That's no answer, it is just part of the package called religion that
you picked of the shelf. You might as well as say that you picked
Zeus because he was the only one who dwelled on Mount Olympus
or the Easter Bunny because it is the only one you can still
cuddle. You might also reject the Christian mythology because the
god actually died! God's don't die, even for a few hours!
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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