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"Josef Balluch" |
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03 May 2005 10:55:47 AM |
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Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
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The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized religion
to "none at all".
Regards,
Josef
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
11 Apr 2005 12:13:27 PM |
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In article <pdrc51hpfc230bhup24k51fa76rusnadhr@4ax.com>,
Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:14:36 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:35:26 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com>
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Dishonest Duke runs away again. Truth is, there is no answer, just sing-
song assertions, followed by fighting and war. If approached by a
Baptist minister who told you why his religion was the one true way to
Jeezuz, would you even listen?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
The Mass is a total waste of time
- Les Hellawell
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Some times it comes with good music, and taken symbolically is not
totally without merit.
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Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
11 Apr 2005 12:26:56 PM |
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Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in
news:proto-7B6B31.13132711042005@reader1.panix.com:
In article <pdrc51hpfc230bhup24k51fa76rusnadhr@4ax.com>,
Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:14:36 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:35:26 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Dishonest Duke runs away again. Truth is, there is no answer, just
sing- song assertions, followed by fighting and war. If approached
by a Baptist minister who told you why his religion was the one true
way to Jeezuz, would you even listen?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
The Mass is a total waste of time
- Les Hellawell
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Some times it comes with good music, and taken symbolically is not
totally without merit.
There is more than one religios hymn that was stolen from composers.
The Xtians has no problem with either lying or stealing it seems.
rj
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"I'm an atheist, thank God." - Dave Allen
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
08 Apr 2005 01:55:05 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:41:17 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
The Mass is a total waste of time
Then you don't have to worry about it, right?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
08 Apr 2005 08:55:48 PM |
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On 08 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:41:17 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
The Mass is a total waste of time
Then you don't have to worry about it, right?
Right. Now why do you keep bringing that to our attention if you think
you've made your point?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
09 Apr 2005 07:38:04 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:55:48 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
The Mass is a total waste of time
Then you don't have to worry about it, right?
Right. Now why do you keep bringing that to our attention if you think
you've made your point?
Why do you think you made your point by continuing to talk about it?
I just keep reminding you: Me - win (hopefully)/no win. You the atheist:
lose/no win. No win comes into play if there is no almighty God.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
09 Apr 2005 02:36:35 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:55:48 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
The Mass is a total waste of time
Then you don't have to worry about it, right?
Right. Now why do you keep bringing that to our attention if you think
you've made your point?
Why do you think you made your point by continuing to talk about it?
I just keep reminding you: Me - win (hopefully)/no win. You the atheist:
lose/no win. No win comes into play if there is no almighty God.
As you said in the past, duke, Pascal's Wager is flawed. You cannot
seperate the premise from the wager.
Please try to understand the Atheist Wager:
There is a god There isn't a god
Theist Heaven for believing Nothing happens
Atheist Heaven for being good Nothing happens.
When you start believing this, we can continue our lucid discussion, but
if you insist on buying into Pascal's Wager, I can no longer have a
lucid discussion with you.
But, I'm more than willing to take potshots at ya from the peanut
gallery. :-D
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
10 Apr 2005 07:58:06 AM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:36:35 -0700, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
I just keep reminding you: Me - win (hopefully)/no win. You the atheist:
lose/no win. No win comes into play if there is no almighty God.
As you said in the past, duke, Pascal's Wager is flawed. You cannot
seperate the premise from the wager.
Sure I can. The wager addresses **how** a man would wage his money. The
subject is about God's existence. The wager is conditionally flawed - the
subject (premise) is rock solid.
You lose again, and as usual.
Please try to understand the Atheist Wager:
There is a god There isn't a god
Theist Heaven for believing Nothing happens
Atheist Heaven for being good Nothing happens.
Sorry. You presented a premise, and a flawed one at that, but no wager?
Your error in the premise is that the only reason a Theist gains heaven is
because of belief, and not actions. Christianity specifically calls us to "love
one another as God loves us". John 13:34. Or as St James put it - faith
without actions is dead faith. James 2:26.
Now the key kicker is as follows: Why do you propose that atheists are "being
good". Shirley you understand that in so doing you are accepting and positively
responding and acting on John 13:34.
Yet you give your self credit for this action rather than God, as we Christians
do.
When you start believing this, we can continue our lucid discussion, but
if you insist on buying into Pascal's Wager, I can no longer have a
lucid discussion with you.
You've never been up to a lucid discussion.
But, I'm more than willing to take potshots at ya from the peanut
gallery. :-D
Great - I enjoy a good challenge. Are you up to it? After all, it's your
friends that will be watching. You go first, or if you wish, I'll go first.
Either way, I'll let you pick the subject.
You're not going to run away and hide, are you?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
10 Apr 2005 08:33:19 AM |
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duke wrote:
Now the key kicker is as follows: Why do you propose that atheists are
"being good". Shirley you understand that in so doing you are accepting
and positively responding and acting on John 13:34.
So the only possible reason for being nice to other people is because it
says so in John 13:34?
You're fucking unbelievable.
Yet you give your self credit for this action rather than God, as we
Christians do.
That's right. Credit where credit's due.
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
09 Apr 2005 07:51:54 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:55:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:41:17 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
The Mass is a total waste of time
Then you don't have to worry about it, right?
Right.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
05 Apr 2005 09:43:40 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 05 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:51:10 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 04 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:16:00 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 03 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Protestant 53 53 52
Catholic 23 23 24
See duke? By your previous argument ad numerum, stating (in
another thread) that Christianity is right because of its
billions of followers, Catholicism is wrong because you are
out-numbered by the Protestants.
And I already corrected my words. BUT, protestants are pretty much
limited to the US and GB. Not so the Catholics.
Who is right, and why?
There are 2 billion Catholics in the world today.
There are 2 billion christains with the mainstream RCC being the largest
single group.
Earl the excommunicated group does not show on the lists.
You didn't answer the question. Who is right, and why? Why are the
Catholics right? The Muslims don't think so. The Hindus don't think
so, and the Protestants don't think so. And the Atheists don't think
so. Those four groups combined outnumber the Catholics by a long shot.
So much for your argument ad numerum.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
05 Apr 2005 11:16:46 PM |
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On 05 Apr 2005, Mike Painter dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 05 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:51:10 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 04 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:16:00 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 03 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Protestant 53 53 52
Catholic 23 23 24
See duke? By your previous argument ad numerum, stating (in
another thread) that Christianity is right because of its
billions of followers, Catholicism is wrong because you are
out-numbered by the Protestants.
And I already corrected my words. BUT, protestants are pretty much
limited to the US and GB. Not so the Catholics.
Who is right, and why?
There are 2 billion Catholics in the world today.
There are 2 billion christains with the mainstream RCC being the
largest
single group.
Earl the excommunicated group does not show on the lists.
Perhaps I should have used simple math. There are 6.5 billion people.
There are 2 billion Chatholics (according to puke). Which means there
are 4.5 billion (according to puke) that poo-poo his idiot religion.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
03 Apr 2005 01:10:47 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:07:57 -0600, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
Unfortunately, the number of non-religious is increasing at a faster rate.
Did you visit the site? Seems there are twice as many protestants as
there
are catholics. Since you're out-numbered, you must be wrong.
The site I visited said that Christians in the US have dropped from 84% to
82%
of the population since 1996. It also said that atheists have risen from
0% to 1% in the same time period.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm
The shift away from Christianity and other organized religions:
The United States appears to be going through an unprecedented change in
religious practices. Large numbers of American adults are disaffiliating
themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. Since
World War II, this process had been observed in other countries, like the
U.K., other European countries, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. But,
until recently, affiliation with Christianity had been at a high level --
about 87% -- and stable in the U.S.
Polling data from the 2001 ARIS study, described below, indicate that:
81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion:
76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian. This is a
major slide from 86.2% in 1990.
Identification with Christianity has suffered a loss of 9.7 percentage
points in 11 years -- about 0.9 percentage points per year. This decline is
identical to that observed in Canada between 1981 and 2001. If this trend
continues, then by about the year 2042, non-Christians will outnumber the
Christians in the U.S.
52% of Americans identified themselves as Protestant.
24.5% are Roman Catholic.
1.3% are Jewish.
0.5% are Muslim, followers of Islam.
The fastest growing religion (in terms of percentage) is Wicca -- a Neopagan
religion that is sometimes referred to as Witchcraft. Numbers of adherents
went from 8,000 in 1990 to 134,000 in 2001. Their numbers of adherents are
doubling about every 30 months. 4,5 Wiccans in Australia have a very
similar growth pattern, from fewer than 2,000 in 1996 to 9,000 in 2001. 10
In Canada, Wiccans and other Neopagans showed the greatest percentage
growth of any faith group. They totaled 21,080 members in 1991, an increase
of 281% when compared with 1990.
14.1% do not follow any organized religion. This is an unusually rapid
increase -- almost a doubling -- from only 8% in 1990. There are more
Americans who say they are not affiliated with any organized religion than
there are Episcopalians, Methodists, and Lutherans taken together. 6
The unaffiliated vary from a low of 3% in North Dakota to 25% in Washington
State.
"The six states with the highest percentage of people saying they have no
religion are all Western states, with the exception of Vermont at 22%." 6
A USA Today/Gallup Poll in 2002-JAN showed that almost half of American
adults appear to be alienated from organized religion. If current trends
continue, most adults will not call themselves religious within a few
years. Results include:
About 50% consider themselves religious (down from 54% in 1999-DEC)
About 33% consider themselves "spiritual but not religious" (up from 30%)
About 10% regard themselves as neither spiritual or religious.
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10% and growing fast.
Andddddd.....
Most 60 year olds are religous, but today's younger generations
are far less religious. Religion will thus take a big hit as
the 60 + cohort dies off.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "duke" |
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03 Apr 2005 05:47:18 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:10:47 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
The shift away from Christianity and other organized religions:
You atheists barely appear.
The United States appears to be going through an unprecedented change in
religious practices. Large numbers of American adults are disaffiliating
themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. Since
World War II, this process had been observed in other countries, like the
U.K., other European countries, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. But,
until recently, affiliation with Christianity had been at a high level --
about 87% -- and stable in the U.S.
Polling data from the 2001 ARIS study, described below, indicate that:
81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion:
76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian. This is a
major slide from 86.2% in 1990.
Identification with Christianity has suffered a loss of 9.7 percentage
Survey Response %, June 1996 %, March 2001 %, March 2002
Protestant 53 53 52
Catholic 23 23 24
Appears to me the protest_ants lost a point and We Catholics picked up one in
the US.
Current world story:
Christianity: 2 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Remember, Catholocism is world wide. Protest_antism is mostly US and Great
Britain.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
03 Apr 2005 09:25:13 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:10:47 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
The shift away from Christianity and other organized religions:
You atheists barely appear.
The United States appears to be going through an unprecedented change in
religious practices. Large numbers of American adults are disaffiliating
themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. Since
World War II, this process had been observed in other countries, like the
U.K., other European countries, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. But,
until recently, affiliation with Christianity had been at a high level --
about 87% -- and stable in the U.S.
Polling data from the 2001 ARIS study, described below, indicate that:
81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion:
76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian. This is
a major slide from 86.2% in 1990.
Identification with Christianity has suffered a loss of 9.7 percentage
Survey Response %, June 1996 %, March 2001 %, March 2002
Protestant 53 53 52
Catholic 23 23 24
Appears to me the protest_ants lost a point and We Catholics picked up one
in the US.
Base: All Adults
Total
RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION
Catholic
Protestant
Jewish
Atheist/ Agnostic
%
%
%
%
%
Believe in God (NET)
79
79
90
48
15
Absolutely certain that there is a God
66
63
81
24
4
Somewhat certain that there is a God
12
16
9
24
11
Believe there is no God (NET)
9
8
4
19
52
Somewhat certain that there is no God
5
4
2
13
28
Absolutely certain that there is no God
4
4
2
5
23
Not sure whether or not there is a God
12
13
6
33
33
TABLE 2
9% atheists.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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03 Apr 2005 07:43:55 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:07:57 -0600, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
Unfortunately, the number of non-religious is increasing at a faster rate.
Did you visit the site? Seems there are twice as many protestants as
there are catholics. Since you're out-numbered, you must be wrong.
The site I visited said that Christians in the US have dropped from 84% to
82% of the population since 1996. It also said that atheists have risen
from 0% to 1% in the same time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Protestant: 52%
Catholic: 24.5%
Atheist is 0.4%, and agnostic is 0.5%. However, "none" is 13.2%.
Figures for 2001.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "duke" |
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03 Apr 2005 05:37:55 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:43:55 +0100, Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:07:57 -0600, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
Unfortunately, the number of non-religious is increasing at a faster rate.
Did you visit the site? Seems there are twice as many protestants as
there are catholics. Since you're out-numbered, you must be wrong.
The site I visited said that Christians in the US have dropped from 84% to
82% of the population since 1996. It also said that atheists have risen
from 0% to 1% in the same time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Protestant: 52%
Catholic: 24.5%
Atheist is 0.4%, and agnostic is 0.5%. However, "none" is 13.2%.
Figures for 2001.
How about this one for the US.
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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03 Apr 2005 09:13:11 PM |
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On 03 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:43:55 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:07:57 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
Unfortunately, the number of non-religious is increasing at a faster
rate. Did you visit the site? Seems there are twice as many
protestants as there are catholics. Since you're out-numbered, you
must be wrong.
The site I visited said that Christians in the US have dropped from
84% to 82% of the population since 1996. It also said that atheists
have risen from 0% to 1% in the same time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Protestant: 52%
Catholic: 24.5%
Atheist is 0.4%, and agnostic is 0.5%. However, "none" is 13.2%.
Figures for 2001.
How about this one for the US.
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
I guess duke likes going back in time.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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04 Apr 2005 05:36:09 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:13:11 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 03 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:43:55 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:07:57 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
Unfortunately, the number of non-religious is increasing at a faster
rate. Did you visit the site? Seems there are twice as many
protestants as there are catholics. Since you're out-numbered, you
must be wrong.
The site I visited said that Christians in the US have dropped from
84% to 82% of the population since 1996. It also said that atheists
have risen from 0% to 1% in the same time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Protestant: 52%
Catholic: 24.5%
Atheist is 0.4%, and agnostic is 0.5%. However, "none" is 13.2%.
Figures for 2001.
How about this one for the US.
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
I guess duke likes going back in time.
And Christian growth has already started to reverse itself.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
06 Apr 2005 10:37:13 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:36:09 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:13:11 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 03 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:43:55 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:07:57 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
Unfortunately, the number of non-religious is increasing at a faster
rate. Did you visit the site? Seems there are twice as many
protestants as there are catholics. Since you're out-numbered, you
must be wrong.
The site I visited said that Christians in the US have dropped from
84% to 82% of the population since 1996. It also said that atheists
have risen from 0% to 1% in the same time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Protestant: 52%
Catholic: 24.5%
Atheist is 0.4%, and agnostic is 0.5%. However, "none" is 13.2%.
Figures for 2001.
How about this one for the US.
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
I guess duke likes going back in time.
And Christian growth has already started to reverse itself.
Your christian goiter is shrinking?
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
07 Apr 2005 12:06:42 AM |
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On 06 Apr 2005, AngryJohn dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:36:09 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:13:11 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 03 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:43:55 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:07:57 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
Unfortunately, the number of non-religious is increasing at a
faster rate. Did you visit the site? Seems there are twice as
many protestants as there are catholics. Since you're
out-numbered, you must be wrong.
The site I visited said that Christians in the US have dropped
from 84% to 82% of the population since 1996. It also said that
atheists have risen from 0% to 1% in the same time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Protestant: 52%
Catholic: 24.5%
Atheist is 0.4%, and agnostic is 0.5%. However, "none" is 13.2%.
Figures for 2001.
How about this one for the US.
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
I guess duke likes going back in time.
And Christian growth has already started to reverse itself.
Your christian goiter is shrinking?
No, I think his Christian Love has gone flaccid.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
03 Apr 2005 09:26:09 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:43:55 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:07:57 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
Unfortunately, the number of non-religious is increasing at a faster
rate.
Did you visit the site? Seems there are twice as many protestants as
there are catholics. Since you're out-numbered, you must be wrong.
The site I visited said that Christians in the US have dropped from 84%
to
82% of the population since 1996. It also said that atheists have risen
from 0% to 1% in the same time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Protestant: 52%
Catholic: 24.5%
Atheist is 0.4%, and agnostic is 0.5%. However, "none" is 13.2%.
Figures for 2001.
How about this one for the US.
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
9% atheists.
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=408
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When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
04 Apr 2005 05:37:17 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:26:09 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:43:55 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:07:57 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 02 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
Unfortunately, the number of non-religious is increasing at a faster
rate.
Did you visit the site? Seems there are twice as many protestants as
there are catholics. Since you're out-numbered, you must be wrong.
The site I visited said that Christians in the US have dropped from 84%
to
82% of the population since 1996. It also said that atheists have risen
from 0% to 1% in the same time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Protestant: 52%
Catholic: 24.5%
Atheist is 0.4%, and agnostic is 0.5%. However, "none" is 13.2%.
Figures for 2001.
How about this one for the US.
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
9% atheists.
0.4% atheists.
US Adherents.com:
Christianity 151,225,000 159,030,000 76.5% +5%
Nonreligious/Secular 13,116,000 27,539,000 13.2% +110%
Judaism 3,137,000 2,831,000 1.3% -10%
Islam 527,000 1,104,000 0.5% +109%
Buddhism 401,000 1,082,000 0.5% +170%
Agnostic 1,186,000 991,000 0.5% -16%
Atheist 902,000 0.4%
Hinduism 227,000 766,000 0.4% +237%
Unitarian Universalist 502,000 629,000 0.3% +25%
Wiccan/Pagan/Druid 307,000 0.1%
Spiritualist 116,000
Native American Religion 47,000 103,000 +119%
Baha'i 28,000 84,000 +200%
New Age 20,000 68,000 +240%
Sikhism 13,000 57,000 +338%
Scientology 45,000 55,000 +22%
Humanist 29,000 49,000 +69%
Deity (Deist) 6,000 49,000 +717%
Taoist 23,000 40,000 +74%
Eckankar 18,000 26,000 +44%
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
04 Apr 2005 09:22:15 PM |
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On 04 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
9% atheists.
0.4% atheists.
On whose side do you count the people who claim "no religion"?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
05 Apr 2005 05:33:48 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:22:15 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 04 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
9% atheists.
0.4% atheists.
On whose side do you count the people who claim "no religion"?
Definitley not atheists. Atheists only make up 0.5% if they claim the pagans.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
05 Apr 2005 09:00:03 PM |
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On 05 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:22:15 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 04 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
9% atheists.
0.4% atheists.
On whose side do you count the people who claim "no religion"?
Definitley not atheists. Atheists only make up 0.5% if they claim the
pagans.
That would sure make you feel happy, wouldn't it? Screw you. I'm a
nonconformist, have been all my life. I question authority, and I think
for myself. I personally do not care if I am the only atheist in the
world. I can't believe how many people are willing to accept any whopper
of a story the authorities tell them as long as you offer them life after
death. How can you offer someone something that there is no evidence
for? It's dishonest. As dishonest as selling your uncle the Brooklyn
Bridge.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
06 Apr 2005 09:25:37 AM |
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:00:03 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 05 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:22:15 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 04 Apr 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
9% atheists.
0.4% atheists.
On whose side do you count the people who claim "no religion"?
Definitley not atheists. Atheists only make up 0.5% if they claim the
pagans.
That would sure make you feel happy, wouldn't it? Screw you. I'm a
nonconformist, have been all my life. I question authority, and I think
for myself. I personally do not care if I am the only atheist in the
world.
I can believe in this day and age that only 0.5% of Americans question
authority and think for themselves, but I agree that the number of
atheists is MUCH higher than that.
For instance, in a survey, I'd mark 'Taoist" pretending for a moment
someone would put that on a survey... Most Taoists are atheists, as
are most buddhists. I would also say that many of those marking
"christian" but haven't gone to a church or looked at a bible for
years aren't TRUELY Christian... it just easier to say that than
confront their own mortality and change of religious philosophy.
I told people I was a 'christian' for YEARS after I knew I didn't
believe in the Christian's god because I was fearful of people's
reactions.
I can't believe how many people are willing to accept any whopper
of a story the authorities tell them as long as you offer them life after
death. How can you offer someone something that there is no evidence
for? It's dishonest. As dishonest as selling your uncle the Brooklyn
Bridge.
Here are a few quotes from dead people.... and everyone knows dead
people are more insightful than us live ones...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by
the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
[Lucius Annaeus Seneca [the Younger] (4 BCE-65CE)]
The person ready to believe unlikely and unproved things is readily
made a slave of by the crafty. [Voltaire]
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
James, Seattle
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
06 Apr 2005 09:30:16 AM |
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:25:37 -0700, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Here are a few quotes from dead people.... and everyone knows dead
people are more insightful than us live ones...
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by
the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
[Lucius Annaeus Seneca [the Younger] (4 BCE-65CE)]
Unfortunately we've got the first kind running the country, feeling
they have a god-given right to impose and enforce it.
A lot of respected historical leaders felt that the common man needed
religion to keep him in order, but they themselves didn't need it.
Including George Washington.
The person ready to believe unlikely and unproved things is readily
made a slave of by the crafty. [Voltaire]
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
"One man's religion is another man's belly laugh"
- Robert A Heinlein.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
11 Apr 2005 12:39:53 PM |
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In article <8es751pk009bqbspkduedtubt4pep07ve2@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
<snip>
Unfortunately we've got the first kind running the country, feeling
they have a god-given right to impose and enforce it.
A lot of respected historical leaders felt that the common man needed
religion to keep him in order, but they themselves didn't need it.
Including George Washington.
<snip>
So GW was a neo con. I had thought that ideology to be a new confidence
game.
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Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
06 Apr 2005 05:38:13 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:00:03 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
On whose side do you count the people who claim "no religion"?
Definitley not atheists. Atheists only make up 0.5% if they claim the
pagans.
That would sure make you feel happy, wouldn't it? Screw you. I'm a
nonconformist, have been all my life.
Well, you're going to run in bad company. All 0.5% of you.
I question authority,
Don't cry on my shoulder. I tried to help you.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
06 Apr 2005 07:00:16 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:00:03 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On whose side do you count the people who claim "no religion"?
Definitley not atheists. Atheists only make up 0.5% if they claim
the pagans.
That would sure make you feel happy, wouldn't it? Screw you. I'm a
nonconformist, have been all my life.
Well, you're going to run in bad company. All 0.5% of you.
Being stuck with a made up number Earl continues to ignore China and Russia
with a mostly atheist population.
"The Catholic News Service and Encyclopedia Britannica Book Of The Year,
1989, shows this breakdown of world religions (and nonreligions ):
Christianity: (1.7 billion) 32.9%
Nonbelievers: (1.1 billion) 21.6%
Islam: (880.6 million) 17.4%
Hinduism: (663.5 million) 13.1%
Buddhism: (311.8 million) 6.1%
Chinese religions: (172.3 million) 3.4%
Others: (167.5 million) 3.4%
Tribal religions: (92 million) 1.8%
Judaism: (18.2 million) 0.3%
The World Development Forum reports that if the world were a village of
1,000 people, there would be:
300 Christians ( 183 Catholics, 84 protestants, 33 Orthodox)
210 without any religion or atheist
175 Moslems
128 Hindus
55 Buddhists
47 Animists"
Locally in 2000, 72% of the population claimed no religious affiliation.
The total number of people claiming an affiliation changed by less that 4000
and the area grew a *lot* in that time
I question authority,
Don't cry on my shoulder. I tried to help you.
Says Earl the excommunicated two minutes after saying "Your eternal
damnation is not my problem to worry about."
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