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"Josef Balluch" |
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03 May 2005 03:55:47 PM |
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Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
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The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized religion
to "none at all".
Regards,
Josef
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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04 Apr 2005 01:47:55 PM |
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"Josef Balluch" <josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote in message
news:s8A3e.6751$x8.1158288@news20.bellglobal.com...
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
.htm
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized
religion
to "none at all".
Regards,
Josef
Well some good news for a change! If I am very lucky, and this trend holds I
might see the death of religion before I die. Truly something to live for
and look forward to. Maybe, just maybe, the people of this country are not
dumbing down as it sometimes seems, if in deed they are coming to the
conclusion that all religions are stone age foolishness.
Now if we can just get rid of the foolish deluded religious people leading
this country. Then start basing this countries actions on reality instead of
religiously based non-sense.
Late Larry
aa# 2216
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| User: "Robert the NOLA Atheist" |
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05 Apr 2005 08:32:49 AM |
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I have seen a plethora of attempts to present a rational, factual
account of religious trends based on recent national and worldwide
surveys. The world is trending more secular and even America is
catching on to this trend with the youth. Somehow the theists who
lurk here can't comprehend the meaning of these trends. Are they
stupid? No, they are simply caught in that twilight zone alternate
reality known as "belief." So we can present all the knowledge,
evidence, facts, reason, etc. we desire, but it makes absolutely no
difference to one who believes in the myth of god. The more we show
them the proof that their beliefs have no basis in reality, the more
they cling to these beliefs like a drowning man to a piece of
driftwood in the ocean. Obviously, reason can't dissuade them so
there is no need to get frustrated with them. Just remember that
religious belief is a form of mental illness and take pity on them for
they know not what they do.
When dealing with theists, remember that belief is acceptance of a
statement as true without supporting evidence or argument or in the
face of contradictory evidence and argument. Belief is not knowledge
but is the very antithesis of knowledge. Where there is knowledge
there is no need for belief and where there is no knowledge, only
belief in the strict sense can abide. Knowledge consists of a
statement or set of statements arrived at by the consideration of
evidence and the application of logic that we can with a high degree
of certainty certify as true. As we have seen from the posts of
theists, belief persists, even thrives, in spite of a lack of
evidence; knowledge evaporates in the absence of evidence.
As an Atheist I do not have any such thing as a god belief. I
conclude rationally that there is no god (or gods). Unlike the
theists, I do not need to have anyone agree with me to support my
knowledge of the truth. If there were 6 billion Christians and only
one Atheist, this does not change reality as truth does not flow from
the barrel of a gun and might has never made right. The burden of
proof remains with those who make the claim for the supernatural,
whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism or any of the
other isms that people have faith in without any evidence to support
their incredible claims.
On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:47 -0400, "Josef Balluch"
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
.htm
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized religion
to "none at all".
Regards,
Josef
"[The Bill of Rights is] designed to protect individuals and minorities against the tyranny of the majority, but it's also designed to protect the people against bureaucracy, against the government." -- Judge Lawrence Tribe
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| User: "Fatman" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
03 Apr 2005 07:12:37 PM |
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I know a guy, who knows a guy who said Josef Balluch wrote:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/0
1style .htm
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized
religion to "none at all".
Regards,
Josef
This message was posted 5-2-2005. Wow, you are in the month of May
already. Cool. Lets see the Christian god do that.
Fatman
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No I am not an EAC Commando......There is no such thing.......I am a
temporary janitor filling in for Pete.
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| User: "Fatman" |
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03 Apr 2005 07:14:17 PM |
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I know a guy, who knows a guy who said Fatman wrote:
I know a guy, who knows a guy who said Josef Balluch wrote:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories
/0 1style .htm
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America
within four decades.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized
religion to "none at all".
Regards,
Josef
This message was posted 5-2-2005. Wow, you are in the month of May
already. Cool. Lets see the Christian god do that.
Fatman
5-2-2005, 5-3-2005.......whatever......
Fat finger syndrome.
Fatman.
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No I am not an EAC Commando......There is no such thing.......I am a
temporary janitor filling in for Pete.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
04 Apr 2005 12:27:29 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Fatman poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
I know a guy, who knows a guy who said Fatman wrote:
I know a guy, who knows a guy who said Josef Balluch wrote:
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This message was posted 5-2-2005. Wow, you are in the month of May
already. Cool. Lets see the Christian god do that.
Fatman
5-2-2005, 5-3-2005.......whatever......
Fat finger syndrome.
Fatman.
< chuckle! > Bill Gates has powers that would make the gods envious!
Regards,
Josef
When I see something that makes absolutely no sense whatever, I figure
there must be a damn good reason for it.
-- Peter De Vries
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
03 Apr 2005 08:41:00 AM |
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In article <s8A3e.6751$x8.1158288@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"Josef Balluch" <josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
.htm
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized religion
to "none at all".
Interesting figures. I hope that the trend continues.
Regards,
Josef
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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03 Apr 2005 09:47:38 PM |
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:47 -0400, "Josef Balluch"
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> thought hard and said:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
.htm
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized religion
to "none at all".
Regards,
Josef
It is spring forward one hour, not one month!
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
02 Apr 2005 05:42:08 PM |
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:47 -0400, "Josef Balluch"
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
.htm
BTW, Looks like your newsreader mis-wrapped that link. Not all do.
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to be right
because of thier numbers. I knew a long time ago that numbers had
nothing to do with right or wrong.
Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized religion
to "none at all".
I was in the hospital recently, and gave that answer (none at all). I
hope no #$%& translates that to "ready to be brainwashed" like some
people would.
Regards,
Josef
An unrelated OT comment:
Recently I saw a car with a bumper sticker saying "At least I can
still smoke in my car". I felt like adding "all right, but not in MY
car". I always thought that smoking stinks.
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| User: "marvin" |
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03 Apr 2005 12:06:34 AM |
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Also significant, the largest percentage change was from organized
religion
to "none at all".
John writes:
I was in the hospital recently, and gave that answer (none at all). I
hope no #$%& translates that to "ready to be brainwashed" like some
people would.
I answered "none" in the hospital recently. The young woman asked, "Is
it all right if I mark Protestant?" I shrugged and let it stand. I
didn't ask, but I imagine "none" didn't appear on her form.
Marvin
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
04 Apr 2005 12:37:10 AM |
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John <jwilliams@noemail.on.usenet> wrote in message news:<nrlt41t8pn6j77a97mq8k1816iatefujva@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:47 -0400, "Josef Balluch"
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
.htm
BTW, Looks like your newsreader mis-wrapped that link. Not all do.
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to be right
because of thier numbers. I knew a long time ago that numbers had
nothing to do with right or wrong.
*snip*
Well...let's put it this way. They don't even have national public
holidays in USA during easter. That really says something.
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| User: "Nico Demusopelous" |
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02 Apr 2005 07:44:45 PM |
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John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me... or
was that from an April Fools post?
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
03 May 2005 08:32:31 PM |
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"Nico Demusopelous" <nicodemus-asks@jesusanswers.com> wrote in message
news:1112471085.332852.84620@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me... or
was that from an April Fools post?
Neither. You simply have a reading comprehension problem.
There was no claim of "evidence". The article simply points out that the
present trend would make Christians the minority by about the year 2042.
Regards,
Josef
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| User: "Ike" |
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02 Apr 2005 10:48:17 PM |
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"Josef Balluch" <josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote in message
news:UbE3e.6920$x8.1200979@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Nico Demusopelous" <nicodemus-asks@jesusanswers.com> wrote in message
news:1112471085.332852.84620@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me... or
was that from an April Fools post?
Neither. You simply have a reading comprehension problem.
There was no claim of "evidence". The article simply points out that the
present trend would make Christians the minority by about the year 2042.
Regards,
Josef
Yeah but they have more guns.
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| User: "wcb" |
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02 Apr 2005 11:25:16 PM |
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Nico Demusopelous wrote:
John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me... or
was that from an April Fools post?
No, its from:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm
% of Christians in the US has dropped from 86% to
76% since 1990.
We are beginning to catch up with Europe.
For more world wide figures:
http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zuckerman/atheism.html
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When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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07 Apr 2005 07:52:53 AM |
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On 2 Apr 2005 11:44:45 -0800, "Nico Demusopelous"
<nicodemus-asks@jesusanswers.com> wrote:
John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me...
If it can happen in Europe, why would it seem farfetched in the US?
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1543 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "rj" |
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07 Apr 2005 12:40:19 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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On 2 Apr 2005 11:44:45 -0800, "Nico Demusopelous"
<nicodemus-asks@jesusanswers.com> wrote:
John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me...
If it can happen in Europe, why would it seem farfetched in the US?
I can't wait. I wish it was then now. I am so tired of people strutting
their stupidity as if it were a virtue.
rj
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| User: "duke" |
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07 Apr 2005 10:32:52 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:52:53 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine
Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me...
If it can happen in Europe, why would it seem farfetched in the US?
It's not for that reason. Trends down become trends up. Get it yet.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1543 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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11 Apr 2005 06:00:25 AM |
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:32:52 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:52:53 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine
Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me...
If it can happen in Europe, why would it seem farfetched in the US?
It's not for that reason. Trends down become trends up. Get it yet.
Right, and a 62-year-old biological failure like you will get to breed
before you kick the bucket.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1546 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "wcb" |
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08 Apr 2005 12:22:39 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:52:53 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me...
If it can happen in Europe, why would it seem farfetched in the US?
It's not for that reason. Trends down become trends up. Get it yet.
Trends in Europe have been down, down, down since WWI.
Its not coming back up. America was an exception due
to not having been the cockpit of two horrendous wars.
But we are catching up.
The heavily far right politicized religous fanatics of today
are a big turn off. As is American christianity's low grade
anti-intellectualism.
That is why those who are avowedly non-religous and non-spiritual
have doubled since 1990 to about 10% to 13% of Americans today.
These trends are not going to go back up.
Mainly because the trends are excellerating. Its the young who
are dropping out in large numbers. hanging arond in a summy church
listening to a stupid git preach right wing nonsense to nodding elderly
people isn't an attractive lifestyle for today's youth.
When this generation of elderly fools dies off, a large part
of the true believers will be gone for good.
Listening to moran rant at Darwin and evolution rings hollow to
those who are seeing medicine and science working mirales and
just beginning at that to rev up into high gear.
In the next 30 years as these elderly superstitious people die
off, these scientific achievments will be so unavoidable
that creationist wil strike many as the assinine rantings
of brain damaged idiots.
Its not going back up.
The current savage creationist campaign will either fail, or will win,
short term, and will do as much damage thereby to christianity
as Timothy McVeigh did for the right winged militia movement in America.
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When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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08 Apr 2005 07:29:40 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:22:39 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
If it can happen in Europe, why would it seem farfetched in the US?
It's not for that reason. Trends down become trends up. Get it yet.
Trends in Europe have been down, down, down since WWI.
Its not coming back up. America was an exception due
to not having been the cockpit of two horrendous wars.
But we are catching up.
Old Europe doesn't exactly set the standard.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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09 Apr 2005 02:49:30 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:29:40 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:22:39 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
If it can happen in Europe, why would it seem farfetched in the US?
It's not for that reason. Trends down become trends up. Get it yet.
Trends in Europe have been down, down, down since WWI.
Its not coming back up. America was an exception due
to not having been the cockpit of two horrendous wars.
But we are catching up.
Old Europe doesn't exactly set the standard.
Hah! Don't make me laugh. The RC IS old Europe. The
Vatican is the sole remaining nation state where an
absolute monarch reigns claiming divine right of authority
from a god. We got rid of all the other despots a long
time ago!
Even Ireland and Portugal, the one time poorest nations
in western Europe have thrown of the shackles of
catholism and is entering modern Europe and starting
to prosper thanks to the EU.
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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09 Apr 2005 06:01:37 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:49:30 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Old Europe doesn't exactly set the standard.
Hah! Don't make me laugh. The RC IS old Europe. The
Vatican is the sole remaining nation state where an
absolute monarch reigns claiming divine right of authority
from a god. We got rid of all the other despots a long
time ago!
The Papacy isn't a monarch. The Holy Father is elected.
Hey, didn't your prince today set himself up for adultery?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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09 Apr 2005 07:39:06 PM |
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In article <p16g51du5f20riupruubk1fk1c52c1hci2@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
The Papacy isn't a monarch. The Holy Father is elected.
Elected by other unelected officials.
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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10 Apr 2005 01:21:13 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:39:06 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
In article <p16g51du5f20riupruubk1fk1c52c1hci2@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
The Papacy isn't a monarch. The Holy Father is elected.
Elected by other unelected officials.
Not too bright, gg. I elect my President, but I'm not elected either.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
10 Apr 2005 10:21:14 AM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:01:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:49:30 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Old Europe doesn't exactly set the standard.
Hah! Don't make me laugh. The RC IS old Europe. The
Vatican is the sole remaining nation state where an
absolute monarch reigns claiming divine right of authority
from a god. We got rid of all the other despots a long
time ago!
The Papacy isn't a monarch. The Holy Father is elected.
By self perpetuating oligarchy. The Pope selects the
Cardinals, the Cardinals select the Pope. When did you
ever get a vote Duke?
Many monarchs are elected. Our present royal line is
descended in some way from William Of Orange who was
invited to take the throne by Parliament. The present Royal
line in Sweden was founded by election. The King of Sweden
has a purely ceremonial role and our Queen has virtually
no powers left (she can dissolve Parliament at any time but
must call another election within four weeks - she just did
it!) but the Pope rules in the Vatican absolutely, only death
can remove him.
Hey, didn't your prince today set himself up for adultery?
Who?
Oh you mean Charles Farmhouse (or is it Battenburg?), one of
those types of fruitcake anyway. You had it lucky in the USA. You
not only suffered wall-to-wall coverage of the Pope's funeral on
Friday whilst here that was followed by wall-to-wall coverage of the
non-marriage of 'Charlie is her darling' on Saturday. Even the Grand
National was postponed! (not that I follow that either).
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
10 Apr 2005 01:20:20 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:21:14 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
The Papacy isn't a monarch. The Holy Father is elected.
By self perpetuating oligarchy. The Pope selects the
Cardinals, the Cardinals select the Pope. When did you
ever get a vote Duke?
I don't. I'm not a citizen of the Vatican.
Many monarchs are elected. Our present royal line is
descended in some way from William Of Orange who was
invited to take the throne by Parliament.
Your royal line went from adultery to adultery yesterday thru a civil act.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
03 Apr 2005 09:37:04 AM |
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On 2 Apr 2005 11:44:45 -0800, "Nico Demusopelous"
<nicodemus-asks@jesusanswers.com> wrote:
John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me... or
was that from an April Fools post?
It's merely a prediction based on present trends. However
(unfortunately), we have no way of knowing whether present trends will
continue.
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| User: "Rick" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
04 Apr 2005 12:38:39 AM |
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John Baker wrote in message ...
On 2 Apr 2005 11:44:45 -0800, "Nico Demusopelous"
<nicodemus-asks@jesusanswers.com> wrote:
John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me... or
was that from an April Fools post?
It's merely a prediction based on present trends. However
(unfortunately), we have no way of knowing whether present trends will
continue.
Additional factors to consider are the growing influence of Christianity
south of the US, immigration partterns, and missionary efforts to the US by
other countries. Philip Jenkins has a great article in the Atlantic about
the South - unfortunately it's not available on-line. US Christianity is
becoming increasingly "brown." And there currently are more missionaries
being sent *to* the US than the US is sending. All these factors are likely
to reduce the effect of present trends.
- Rick
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
03 Apr 2005 12:24:46 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 09:37:04 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 2 Apr 2005 11:44:45 -0800, "Nico Demusopelous"
<nicodemus-asks@jesusanswers.com> wrote:
John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me... or
was that from an April Fools post?
It's merely a prediction based on present trends. However
(unfortunately), we have no way of knowing whether present trends will
continue.
There's no telling what will happen once the American Inquisitions
begin.
--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
02 Apr 2005 08:41:20 PM |
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On 2 Apr 2005 11:44:45 -0800, "Nico Demusopelous"
<nicodemus-asks@jesusanswers.com> wrote:
John wrote:
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in
America within four decades.
Good. I get really tired of thier BS about them claiming to
be right because of thier numbers.
Well, of course argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy, but I really have
to wonder about the evidence that Christians will be a minority in the
U.S. within four decades. That seems like bloody nonsense to me... or
was that from an April Fools post?
Maybe it is bloody nonsense, but at least it's NICE bloody nonsense.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Continues to Decline in America |
02 Apr 2005 07:40:54 PM |
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:47 -0400, "Josef Balluch" <josef.balluch@sympatico.can>
wrote:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/02/style/stories/01style
.htm
The present trend has Christians becoming the minority in America within
four decades.
How so, when we continue to increase.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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