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"Truth Hunter" |
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29 Jul 2006 07:08:36 PM |
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Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be? |
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
I have seen so many reports lately showing that the Anglicans and
Catholics are disappearing fast. Not so long ago the demise of
Canadian Anglicans was put at 2061. But with more and more books
appearing each month revealing that Christianity has been the biggest
business scam of the last two millennia, and hundreds of thousands, if
not millions finding out by word of mouth, it does look possible that
this debate will have little to discuss within the next two decades.
The Church of England in Britain now seems to be going down like an
express lift that has had its cables cut. So what is the general
opinion. Will the funeral be in the second, third or fourth decade of
the 21st century, and what will we then do about a new calendar?
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be? |
31 Jul 2006 11:18:03 PM |
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bob young wrote:
Truth Hunter wrote:
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
NEVER - man has had his religions from the time he could communicate in
simple words.
When one dies another takes it's place
When the chimps learn to talk in a million or so years
along will come the first chimp god,
looking remarkably chimplike
He didn't say religion, he stated Christianity. That is a different
thing entirely.
How strange, the similarities between Christianity and all the other
religions point to the fact they are ALL very similar.
Most involve themselves with temples and the like, lit by candles, with
ceremony devoted to water [something our early ancestors worshipped as they
could not exist unless they had a natural supply], most have their soldiers
and generals, or if you like, Mullars and priests. Nearly all of them have
a 'book' whih reinfoces the wordfs of their gods which never show
Tell me how Christianity differs in any major way from all the others.
Oh and I almost forgot one thing, they all pander to imaginary gods ,
mustn't forget that one.
Over to you
[I hope you are not the 'Mad' Hatter]
Bob
"What does every religion lay claim to? The governance of human passions and
of human will. Every religion is a curb, a power, a government. It comes in
the name of divine law to subdue human nature. Therefore human liberty is
its especial antagonist, which it is its object to vanquish. To this purpose
are its mission and hope directed."
[Francois-Pierre-Guillaume Guizot
(1787-1874)]
"One man's religion is another man's belly laugh" -
[Robert Heinlein.]
I personally would be shocked if Christianity fell within 250 years.
Its got a solid lock on North America, especially amongst the poor and
elite. South American Catholics are flourishing. SouthEast Asia is
going more Christian every day. The sun simply beginning to set on it
in Europe, between the continuing indifference of the middle and upper
class, and the rapid influx of an Islamic underclass.
Hatter
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be? |
31 Jul 2006 08:27:09 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com>
Date written: 29 Jul 2006 17:08:36 -0700
MsgID:<1154218116.609181.312380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
As usual, you underestimate the stupidity of humans. They said the same thing
about your religion, a religion that Christianity is firmly based upon, but yet,
here you are, trying to promote it by putting down other religions just as
ridiculous as yours down, isntead of trying to promote your religion by trying
to demonstrate that it is superior...
The good news according to the Jews goes like this:
"For God so loved the Jews...period!"
Isn't that just a tad arrogant?
Not that it matters since the Judaical God is not very bright:
The Jewish God is uneducated in simple facts:
Lev 11:6
Faith: Rabbits chew cud
Fact : Rabbits do not chew the cud
Lev 11:13,19
Faith: Bats are birds
Fact : Bats are not birds
Lev 11:21,23
Faith: Some insects have four legs
Fact : No insect has four legs
On the other hand, that does seem to prove that the Judaical followers really
are made in their God's image.
The Sage
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"All those painted screens erected by man to shut out reality
-- history, religion, duty, social position --
all were illusions, mere opium fantasies"
John Fowles, The French Lieutenant's Woman
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| User: "bob young" |
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31 Jul 2006 11:22:03 PM |
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The_Sage wrote:
Reply to article by: "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com>
Date written: 29 Jul 2006 17:08:36 -0700
MsgID:<1154218116.609181.312380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
As usual, you underestimate the stupidity of humans. They said the same thing
about your religion, a religion that Christianity is firmly based upon, but yet,
here you are, trying to promote it by putting down other religions just as
ridiculous as yours down, isntead of trying to promote your religion by trying
to demonstrate that it is superior...
The good news according to the Jews goes like this:
"For God so loved the Jews...period!"
Isn't that just a tad arrogant?
..............a tad of arrogance is needed for all beliefs
as how else could mythology be justified ?
Religion is a disease we catch from our parents.
Bob
humanist Brit.
Religion is but a desperate attempt to find an escape from the truly
dreadful situation in which we find ourselves. Here we are in this wholly
fantastic universe with scarcely a clue as to whether our existence has
any real significance. No wonder then that many people feel the need for
some belief that gives them a sense of security, and no wonder that they
become very angry with people like me who say that this is illusory.
[Fred Hoyle]
Not that it matters since the Judaical God is not very bright:
The Jewish God is uneducated in simple facts:
Lev 11:6
Faith: Rabbits chew cud
Fact : Rabbits do not chew the cud
Lev 11:13,19
Faith: Bats are birds
Fact : Bats are not birds
Lev 11:21,23
Faith: Some insects have four legs
Fact : No insect has four legs
On the other hand, that does seem to prove that the Judaical followers really
are made in their God's image.
The Sage
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http://members.cox.net/the.sage/index.htm
"All those painted screens erected by man to shut out reality
-- history, religion, duty, social position --
all were illusions, mere opium fantasies"
John Fowles, The French Lieutenant's Woman
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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01 Aug 2006 09:07:22 PM |
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Reply to article by: bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
Date written: 31 Jul 2006 23:22:03 -0500
MsgID:<44CED577.82AE893A@netvigator.com>
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
As usual, you underestimate the stupidity of humans. They said the same thing
about your religion, a religion that Christianity is firmly based upon, but yet,
here you are, trying to promote it by putting down other religions just as
ridiculous as yours down, isntead of trying to promote your religion by trying
to demonstrate that it is superior...
The good news according to the Jews goes like this:
"For God so loved the Jews...period!"
Isn't that just a tad arrogant?
.............a tad of arrogance is needed for all beliefs
as how else could mythology be justified ?
Read Joseph Campbell and you can find all kinds of reasons other than arrogance
that have been used to justify myths.
Religion is a disease we catch from our parents.
That would make it a genetic disease, but only if it were always detrimental to
the person -- which it is not.
Bob
humanist Brit.
Religion is but a desperate attempt to find an escape from the truly
dreadful situation in which we find ourselves. Here we are in this wholly
fantastic universe with scarcely a clue as to whether our existence has
any real significance. No wonder then that many people feel the need for
some belief that gives them a sense of security, and no wonder that they
become very angry with people like me who say that this is illusory.
[Fred Hoyle]
Fred Hoyle was an expert in astronomy, not religion.
The Sage
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http://members.cox.net/the.sage/index.htm
"All those painted screens erected by man to shut out reality
-- history, religion, duty, social position --
all were illusions, mere opium fantasies"
John Fowles, The French Lieutenant's Woman
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| User: "bob young" |
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01 Aug 2006 10:52:01 PM |
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The_Sage wrote:
Reply to article by: bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
Date written: 31 Jul 2006 23:22:03 -0500
MsgID:<44CED577.82AE893A@netvigator.com>
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
As usual, you underestimate the stupidity of humans. They said the same thing
about your religion, a religion that Christianity is firmly based upon, but yet,
here you are, trying to promote it by putting down other religions just as
ridiculous as yours down, isntead of trying to promote your religion by trying
to demonstrate that it is superior...
The good news according to the Jews goes like this:
"For God so loved the Jews...period!"
Isn't that just a tad arrogant?
.............a tad of arrogance is needed for all beliefs
as how else could mythology be justified ?
Read Joseph Campbell and you can find all kinds of reasons other than arrogance
that have been used to justify myths.
Religion is a disease we catch from our parents.
That would make it a genetic disease, but only if it were always detrimental to
the person -- which it is not.
You find it necessary to be cute to justify your myths do you?
You know very well what I meant, parents teach religion just as you were taught,
it should be a criminal offense until the child reaches age fourteen.
The sickest TV ad I saw a couple of weeks ago
'Junior Rosaries - all leading credit cards accepted '
- and you wonder why there are atheists?
Had you been orphaned at age two and then adopted by a Hindu family
YOU would now be groveling to a god that has the body of a woman and the head of an
elephant.
Grow up and take a small peep from outside of your blinkers
[or 'blinders' as I believe the Americans call them]
Bob
humanist Brit.
There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the
perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of
him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are
comforting. But he dare not face this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however
dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.
[Bertrand Russell]
Bob
humanist Brit.
Religion is but a desperate attempt to find an escape from the truly
dreadful situation in which we find ourselves. Here we are in this wholly
fantastic universe with scarcely a clue as to whether our existence has
any real significance. No wonder then that many people feel the need for
some belief that gives them a sense of security, and no wonder that they
become very angry with people like me who say that this is illusory.
[Fred Hoyle]
Fred Hoyle was an expert in astronomy, not religion.
The Sage
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http://members.cox.net/the.sage/index.htm
"All those painted screens erected by man to shut out reality
-- history, religion, duty, social position --
all were illusions, mere opium fantasies"
John Fowles, The French Lieutenant's Woman
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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02 Aug 2006 12:45:47 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message...
The sickest TV ad I saw a couple of weeks ago
'Junior Rosaries - all leading credit cards accepted '
Here's a *really* sick website for kids...
http://www.worldslastchance.com/html/# <----- you need the number sign
*Now* can you say, "propaganda"... "Brainwashing" ? Suuuure ya' can.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Aug 2006 08:28:35 AM |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message
news:f_Wzg.7843$j9.4656@trnddc02...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message...
The sickest TV ad I saw a couple of weeks ago
'Junior Rosaries - all leading credit cards accepted '
Here's a *really* sick website for kids...
http://www.worldslastchance.com/html/# <----- you need the number
sign
*Now* can you say, "propaganda"... "Brainwashing" ? Suuuure ya' can.
Hey, like the priest said at my niece's christening "You have to get them
while they're young!"
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Michael Rippie" |
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02 Aug 2006 05:50:31 PM |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message
news:f_Wzg.7843$j9.4656@trnddc02...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message...
The sickest TV ad I saw a couple of weeks ago
'Junior Rosaries - all leading credit cards accepted '
*Now* can you say, "propaganda"... "Brainwashing" ? Suuuure ya' can.
Yes, propaganda and the politics of Religion. Give them your brain
and they will wash it and wipe it clean and ready for new programs.
..
Michael@thelastchurch.org
alt.religion/the-last-church
Http://www.thelastchurch.org
http://cafepress.com/the_last_church
A preacher is the blind leading the blind.
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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02 Aug 2006 07:57:02 PM |
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"Michael Rippie" <michael@thelastchurch.org> wrote in message news:gsa2d21sg53aj5l4vk4iinebo078f5acpb@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message
news:f_Wzg.7843$j9.4656@trnddc02...
http://www.worldslastchance.com/html/#
*Now* can you say, "propaganda"... "Brainwashing" ? Suuuure ya' can.
Yes, propaganda and the politics of Religion. Give them your brain
and they will wash it and wipe it clean and ready for new programs.
It's a sick website, Michael... and people should complain about it.
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| User: "Michael Rippie" |
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03 Aug 2006 04:53:23 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:57:02 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote:
It's a sick website, Michael... and people should complain about it.
I complain. But the stupidity of man is everywhere.
"And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We
will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be
called by thy name, to take away our reproach." Isaiah 4:1.
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So Give me my women and I will take away their reproach.
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Michael@thelastchurch.org
alt.religion/the-last-church
Http://www.thelastchurch.org
http://cafepress.com/the_last_church
A preacher is the blind leading the blind.
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02 Aug 2006 08:19:12 PM |
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Reply to article by: bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
Date written: 1 Aug 2006 22:52:01 -0500
MsgID:<44D02055.4A8386CA@netvigator.com>
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
As usual, you underestimate the stupidity of humans. They said the same thing
about your religion, a religion that Christianity is firmly based upon, but yet,
here you are, trying to promote it by putting down other religions just as
ridiculous as yours down, isntead of trying to promote your religion by trying
to demonstrate that it is superior...
The good news according to the Jews goes like this:
"For God so loved the Jews...period!"
Isn't that just a tad arrogant?
.............a tad of arrogance is needed for all beliefs
as how else could mythology be justified ?
Read Joseph Campbell and you can find all kinds of reasons other than arrogance
that have been used to justify myths.
Religion is a disease we catch from our parents.
That would make it a genetic disease, but only if it were always detrimental to
the person -- which it is not.
You find it necessary to be cute to justify your myths do you?
What myths?
You know very well what I meant, parents teach religion just as you were taught,
it should be a criminal offense until the child reaches age fourteen.
You also know very well what I meant: those parents did not originate the
religion they believed in, and orphans are just as drawn to religion as
non-orphans. It is a human need.
The sickest TV ad I saw a couple of weeks ago
'Junior Rosaries - all leading credit cards accepted '
- and you wonder why there are atheists?
I have never wondered why there are atheists. Where did you get that piece of
disinformation?
Had you been orphaned at age two and then adopted by a Hindu family
YOU would now be groveling to a god that has the body of a woman and the head of an
elephant.
And just exactly how do you know this? Are you just making things up as you go
along (obviously) or do you actually have some scholarly quotes to back up these
blind faith assertions of yours?
Grow up and take a small peep from outside of your blinkers
[or 'blinders' as I believe the Americans call them]
Done. Now it is your turn and you can start by not judging religious people
based on totally make believe "theories".
There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the
perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of
him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are
comforting. But he dare not face this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however
dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.
[Bertrand Russell]
There is something even more feeble and a little contemptible about a person who
cannot accept the fact that the vast majority of people believe in myths and
will always believe in myths.
Not that you don't have any myths yourself, since you do have two great big
myths called "How I pretend myths first came into existence and propagated
thereafter" and "What I believe the psychology of myths are, conducted in a
complete vacuum of evidence".
Fred Hoyle was an expert in astronomy, not religion.
The Sage
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http://members.cox.net/the.sage/index.htm
"All those painted screens erected by man to shut out reality
-- history, religion, duty, social position --
all were illusions, mere opium fantasies"
John Fowles, The French Lieutenant's Woman
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| User: "duke" |
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30 Jul 2006 08:09:02 AM |
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On 29 Jul 2006 17:08:36 -0700, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
I have seen so many reports lately showing that the Anglicans and
Catholics are disappearing fast.
You must be reading the Atheist Advocate. 33% of the current world population
is Catholic.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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30 Jul 2006 09:39:29 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On 29 Jul 2006 17:08:36 -0700, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
I have seen so many reports lately showing that the Anglicans and
Catholics are disappearing fast.
You must be reading the Atheist Advocate. 33% of the current world population
is Catholic.
Too bad your own church lies to you, Earl, but that's not news.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. TBA, 7:35
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| User: "duke" |
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30 Jul 2006 01:28:54 PM |
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On 30 Jul 2006 09:39:29 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On 29 Jul 2006 17:08:36 -0700, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
I have seen so many reports lately showing that the Anglicans and
Catholics are disappearing fast.
You must be reading the Atheist Advocate. 33% of the current world population
is Catholic.
Too bad your own church lies to you, Earl, but that's not news.
Ah, no sign of intelligence in this post. But then again, there never is from
you.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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30 Jul 2006 08:35:43 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 17:08:36 -0700, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
I have seen so many reports lately showing that the Anglicans and
Catholics are disappearing fast.
You must be reading the Atheist Advocate. 33% of the current world population
is Catholic.
You must be confused. 33% of the current world population is Christian.
Only about half of that is Catholic. Catholics and Sunni Moslems are
the largest branches at about 1 billion each.
But even if you were right on your point, which you weren't, you'd
still be wrong. "Dying" pertains to the rate of change. You pointed out
one point. You can't get a rate of change from one single point.
The Catholic Church is shrinking very slowly world wide, and fairly
swiftly in the US and other industrialized nations.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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30 Jul 2006 01:18:13 PM |
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"Chris H. Fleming" <chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote
The Catholic Church is shrinking very slowly world wide, and fairly
swiftly in the US and other industrialized nations.
Not really. The church in Europe is in deep trouble, and the church in North
America has a lot of similar problems, but so far has manged to hang on to
its congregations reasonably well.
Outside of the West, non-Christian populations tend to be growing faster
than Christian ones, so as a proportion of humanity Catholicism is losing
ground. However the Catholic Church has planted small communities within
many of those non-Christian countries, such as China, and they are growing
quickly and seem to be very strong internally.
So Europe is nearly lost, and there are worries about the real strength of
the church in North America, but elsewhere things look reasonably hopeful.
--
www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
freeware games to download.
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31 Jul 2006 04:35:58 PM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"Chris H. Fleming" <chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote
The Catholic Church is shrinking very slowly world wide, and fairly
swiftly in the US and other industrialized nations.
Not really. The church in Europe is in deep trouble, and the church in North
America has a lot of similar problems, but so far has manged to hang on to
its congregations reasonably well.
The number of Catholic clergymen has been steadily decreasing in the US
over a period of decades.
Outside of the West, non-Christian populations tend to be growing faster
than Christian ones, so as a proportion of humanity Catholicism is losing
ground. However the Catholic Church has planted small communities within
many of those non-Christian countries, such as China, and they are growing
quickly and seem to be very strong internally.
So Europe is nearly lost, and there are worries about the real strength of
the church in North America, but elsewhere things look reasonably hopeful.
The number of Catholic clergymen have been slowly decreasing across the
globe over a period of decades. I'm sure there are pockets where they
are increasing but over all the number is going down. And in terms of %
of the total population they are going down much faster.
http://cara.georgetown.edu/bulletin/index.htm
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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31 Jul 2006 05:38:52 PM |
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<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote in message
The number of Catholic clergymen has been steadily decreasing in the US
over a period of decades.
The number of Catholic clergymen have been slowly decreasing across the
globe over a period of decades. I'm sure there are pockets where they
are increasing but over all the number is going down. And in terms of %
of the total population they are going down much faster.
That's one measure.
However if your growth is mainly amongst poor people, and you want to
maintain high academic standards for ordinands, then you might have problems
with numbers without necessarily being in decline.
--
www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
freeware games to download.
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31 Jul 2006 11:28:21 PM |
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Malcolm wrote:
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote in message
The number of Catholic clergymen has been steadily decreasing in the US
over a period of decades.
The number of Catholic clergymen have been slowly decreasing across the
globe over a period of decades. I'm sure there are pockets where they
are increasing but over all the number is going down. And in terms of %
of the total population they are going down much faster.
That's one measure.
However if your growth is mainly amongst poor people, and you want to
maintain high academic standards for ordinands, then you might have problems
with numbers without necessarily being in decline.
Or if you are trying to skimp on cost. But, yes, I am only talking
about the clergy and not the adherents. It's very hard to measure the
number of adherents. Those numbers are too easy to inflate.
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| User: "Bree" |
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31 Jul 2006 09:18:05 PM |
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In article <1154381758.625333.59160@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com wrote:
The number of Catholic clergymen have been slowly decreasing across the
globe over a period of decades. I'm sure there are pockets where they
are increasing but over all the number is going down. And in terms of %
of the total population they are going down much faster.
But just as they did on the Titanic
They can always change the seating arrangements
And that is all they are good for too
The message to all Christianity is one of:
"Either get out a new theology - or get out of the ***** way"
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be? |
30 Jul 2006 01:28:05 PM |
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On 30 Jul 2006 06:35:43 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming" <chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com>
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You must be reading the Atheist Advocate. 33% of the current world population
is Catholic.
You must be confused. 33% of the current world population is Christian.
Only about half of that is Catholic. Catholics and Sunni Moslems are
the largest branches at about 1 billion each.
Yes, my mistake. As soon as I pushed the "send" button, I realized it. Only
half of the 33% being Catholic is debatable. According to Adherents, Roman
Catholics are 17% and protestants are 7%.
But even if you were right on your point, which you weren't, you'd
still be wrong. "Dying" pertains to the rate of change. You pointed out
one point. You can't get a rate of change from one single point.
The Catholic Church is shrinking very slowly world wide, and fairly
swiftly in the US and other industrialized nations.
I can give you credit for "very slowly world wide" as long as you consider a
sudden swing to "growing rapidly". Your numbers are over 10 years old.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be? |
31 Jul 2006 04:50:04 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 30 Jul 2006 06:35:43 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming" <chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You must be reading the Atheist Advocate. 33% of the current world population
is Catholic.
You must be confused. 33% of the current world population is Christian.
Only about half of that is Catholic. Catholics and Sunni Moslems are
the largest branches at about 1 billion each.
Yes, my mistake. As soon as I pushed the "send" button, I realized it. Only
half of the 33% being Catholic is debatable. According to Adherents, Roman
Catholics are 17% and protestants are 7%.
But even if you were right on your point, which you weren't, you'd
still be wrong. "Dying" pertains to the rate of change. You pointed out
one point. You can't get a rate of change from one single point.
The Catholic Church is shrinking very slowly world wide, and fairly
swiftly in the US and other industrialized nations.
I can give you credit for "very slowly world wide" as long as you consider a
sudden swing to "growing rapidly". Your numbers are over 10 years old.
The numbers cover up to 2004.
http://cara.georgetown.edu/bulletin/index.htm
Did this sudden swing happen in 2005-2006? Note that I am talking about
the Church decaying here and not the adherents. Those kinds of numbers
are too fudgey for me to take to be too accurate.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be? |
31 Jul 2006 05:25:35 PM |
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On 31 Jul 2006 14:50:04 -0700, wrote:
Yes, my mistake. As soon as I pushed the "send" button, I realized it. Only
half of the 33% being Catholic is debatable. According to Adherents, Roman
Catholics are 17% and protestants are 7%.
But even if you were right on your point, which you weren't, you'd
still be wrong. "Dying" pertains to the rate of change. You pointed out
one point. You can't get a rate of change from one single point.
The Catholic Church is shrinking very slowly world wide, and fairly
swiftly in the US and other industrialized nations.
I can give you credit for "very slowly world wide" as long as you consider a
sudden swing to "growing rapidly". Your numbers are over 10 years old.
The numbers cover up to 2004.
The ones I quote above are to 1995.
http://cara.georgetown.edu/bulletin/index.htm
Did this sudden swing happen in 2005-2006? Note that I am talking about
the Church decaying here and not the adherents. Those kinds of numbers
are too fudgey for me to take to be too accurate.
Your site is the US data only. Mine is world wide.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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31 Jul 2006 11:23:07 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 31 Jul 2006 14:50:04 -0700, wrote:
Yes, my mistake. As soon as I pushed the "send" button, I realized it. Only
half of the 33% being Catholic is debatable. According to Adherents, Roman
Catholics are 17% and protestants are 7%.
But even if you were right on your point, which you weren't, you'd
still be wrong. "Dying" pertains to the rate of change. You pointed out
one point. You can't get a rate of change from one single point.
The Catholic Church is shrinking very slowly world wide, and fairly
swiftly in the US and other industrialized nations.
I can give you credit for "very slowly world wide" as long as you consider a
sudden swing to "growing rapidly". Your numbers are over 10 years old.
The numbers cover up to 2004.
The ones I quote above are to 1995.
http://cara.georgetown.edu/bulletin/index.htm
Did this sudden swing happen in 2005-2006? Note that I am talking about
the Church decaying here and not the adherents. Those kinds of numbers
are too fudgey for me to take to be too accurate.
Your site is the US data only. Mine is world wide.
Not if you keep reading down the page.
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| User: "duke" |
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01 Aug 2006 05:37:30 AM |
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On 31 Jul 2006 21:23:07 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming" <>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On 31 Jul 2006 14:50:04 -0700, wrote:
Yes, my mistake. As soon as I pushed the "send" button, I realized it. Only
half of the 33% being Catholic is debatable. According to Adherents, Roman
Catholics are 17% and protestants are 7%.
But even if you were right on your point, which you weren't, you'd
still be wrong. "Dying" pertains to the rate of change. You pointed out
one point. You can't get a rate of change from one single point.
The Catholic Church is shrinking very slowly world wide, and fairly
swiftly in the US and other industrialized nations.
I can give you credit for "very slowly world wide" as long as you consider a
sudden swing to "growing rapidly". Your numbers are over 10 years old.
The numbers cover up to 2004.
The ones I quote above are to 1995.
http://cara.georgetown.edu/bulletin/index.htm
Did this sudden swing happen in 2005-2006? Note that I am talking about
the Church decaying here and not the adherents. Those kinds of numbers
are too fudgey for me to take to be too accurate.
Your site is the US data only. Mine is world wide.
Not if you keep reading down the page.
Good grief. I completely missed that.
The only point I wanted to make was that the slow degradation in % is recent.
Any number of world events could quickly shift the number in the other
direction. For instance, the RCC has undertaken significant steps to "draw
back" rather than let "drift away". Catholic education, church participation,
etc should have significant positive impact following the freedoms (sexual
revolution/do it if it feels right) and failures (pedophilia) of the late
1900's.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "colp" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be? |
29 Jul 2006 08:15:56 PM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
Perhaps a better question would be: why, exactly, is this happening?
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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29 Jul 2006 09:33:19 PM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
When there is nothing left but a remnant.
After they are done with their work comes the payback.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be? |
31 Jul 2006 06:34:49 PM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> writes:
Truth Hunter wrote:
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
When there is nothing left but a remnant.
After they are done with their work comes the payback.
HL Mencken:
http://www.nowscape.com/atheism/dead_gods.htm
Where is the graveyard of dead gods? What lingering mourner waters their
mounds? There was a time when Jupiter was the king of the gods, and any
man who doubted his puissance was ipso facto a barbarian and an
ignoramus. But where in all the world is there a man who worships
Jupiter today? And who of Huitzilopochtli? In one year - and it is no
more than five hundred years ago - 50,000 youths and maidens were
slain in sacrifice to him. Today, if he is remembered at all, it is only
by some vagrant savage in the depths of the Mexican forest.
Huitzilopochtli, like many other gods, had no human father; his motherS
was a virtuous widow; he was born of an apparently innocent flirtation
that she carried out with the sun. When he frowned, his father, the sun,
stood still. When he roared with rage, earthquakes engulfed whole cities.
When he thirsted he was watered with 10,000 gallons of human blood. But
today Huitzilopochtli is as magnificently forgotten as Allen G. Thurman.
Once the peer of Allah, Buddha and Wotan, he is now the peer of Richmond
P. Hobson, Alton B. Parker, Adelina Patti, General Weyler and Tom Sharkey.
Speaking of Huitzilopochtli recalls his brother Tezcatilpoca.
Tezcatilpoca was almost as powerful; he consumed 25,000 virgins a year.
Lead me to his tomb: I would weep, and hang a couronne des perles. But who
knows where it is? Or where the grave of Quitzalcoatl is? Or Xiehtecuthli?
Or Centeotl, that sweet one? Or Tlazolteotl, the goddess of love? Of
Mictlan? Or Xipe? Or all the host of Tzitzimitles? Where are their bones?
Where is the willow on which they hung their harps? In what forlorn and
unheard-of Hell do they await their resurrection morn? Who enjoys their
residuary estates? Or that of Dis, whom Caesar found to be the chief god of
the Celts? Of that of Tarves, the bull? Or that of Moccos, the pig? Or that
of Epona, the mare? Or that of Mullo, the celestial jackass? There was a
time when the Irish revered all these gods, but today even the drunkest
Irishman laughs at them.
But they have company in oblivion: the Hell of dead gods is as crowded
as the Presbyterian Hell for babies. Damona is there, and Esus, and
Drunemeton, and Silvana, and Dervones, and Adsalluta, and Deva, and
Belisima, and Uxellimus, and Borvo, and Grannos, and Mogons. All mighty
gods in their day, worshipped by millions, full of demands and impositions,
able to bind and loose - all gods of the first class. Men labored for
generations to build vast temples to them - temples with stones as large as
hay-wagons. The business of interpreting their whims occupied thousands of
priests, bishops, archbishops. To doubt them was to die, usually at the stake.
Armies took to the field to defend them against infidels; villages were
burned, women and children butchered, cattle were driven off. Yet in the end
they all withered and died, and today there is none so poor to do them
reverence.
What has become of Sutekh, once the high god of the whole Nile Valley?
[Editor's note: he appeared in a Dr. Who episode!]
What has become of:
Resheph Baal
Anath Astarte
Ashtoreth Hadad
Nebo Dagon
Melek Yau
Ahijah Amon-Re
Isis Osiris
Ptah Molech?
All there were gods of the highest eminence. Many of them are mentioned
with fear and trembling in the Old Testament. They ranked, five or six thousand
years ago, with Yahweh Himself; the worst of them stood far higher than
Thor. Yet they have all gone down the chute, and with them the following:
Arianrod Nuada Argetlam
Morrigu Tagd
Govannon Goibniu
Gunfled Odin
Dagda Ogma
Ogryvan Marzin
Dea Dia Mara
Iuno Lucina Diana of Ephesus
Saturn Robigus
Furrina Pluto
Cronos Vesta
Engurra Zer-panitu
Belus Merodach
Ubilulu Elum
U-dimmer-an-kia Marduk
U-sab-sib Nin
U-Mersi Persephone
Tammuz Istar
Venus Lagas
Beltis Nirig
Nusku En-Mersi
Aa Assur
Sin Beltu
Apsu Kuski-banda
Elali Nin-azu
Mami Qarradu
Zaraqu Ueras
Zagaga
Ask the rector to lend you any good book on comparative religion; you will
find them all listed. They were gods of the highest dignity - gods of civilized
peoples - worshipped and believed in by millions. All were omnipotent,
omniscient and immortal.
And all are dead.
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| User: "Bree" |
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29 Jul 2006 09:48:27 PM |
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In article <44cc047c$1@news.orcon.net.nz>, colp <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
Truth Hunter wrote:
Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
Perhaps a better question would be: why, exactly, is this happening?
Because it is based on a pack of lies from Paul of Tarsus - who within a
decade or so of Jesuses death set about eradicating the religion of Jesus
Having failed in its PHYSICAL elimination Paul set about rewriting the
basis of the faith creating a new image of Jesus based on Eastern and
roman religions with only a limited connection with the Judaism of which
it was originally a part. Paul SPIRITUALLY destroyed Jesuses religion.
Paul did this with the tacit approval of the Roman authorities through his
connections with the Emperors household.
This Pauline distortion of Jesuses religion and the Church of his
successors (including Jesuses brother James) has come back to haunt the
Johannine Pauline Church
The real question is not whether Johannin Pauline Christianity is
collapsing - at an intellectual level it already has. The question is if
the religion can be regenerated, reformed , restored and rescued from
oblivion (and if it should be)
Its rescue would require a total Reformation in which its entire theology
was re-examined. Atonement and substitution theology would have to be
relegated to the trash can of history, Christianity would have to adjust
itself in accordance with scientific realities such as the magnitude and
age of the universe and the scientific reality of evolution.
Time will tell what it, and perhaps God himself, choose of the two
possible paths.
What is for sure however is that the present denial based Born Again
evangelical Fundamentalist rubbish is a festering cerebral sore bringing a
terminal insanity to a once great faith
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31 Jul 2006 03:16:15 PM |
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<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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LET NOT THE IMBECILES SPEAK ABOUT THINGS HE HAS NO UNDERSTANDING.
Yes, I agree. Please stop.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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