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"George Washington Hayduke" |
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06 Dec 2004 08:55:12 PM |
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Christianity involved in severed baby arms |
Pastor Decried After Child's Arms Severed
By LISA FALKENBERG
http://tinyurl.com/4npyp
PLANO, Texas - Long before Dena Schlosser took a blade to her baby's
arms, her parents had begun to worry. In the years after she moved to
Texas with her husband and children, their gentle, dependent daughter
had become increasingly isolated. And, according to her stepfather, she
was dangerously consumed by a self-described prophet and his church.
Dena's stepfather, Mick Macaulay, said that although he blames mental
illness for Schlosser severing the arms of 10-month-old daughter
Margaret and leaving her to die, he believes the teachings of Doyle
Davidson also played a role.
"I don't think there's any question that what we saw happen here is
postpartum psychosis," Macaulay said in a telephone interview. "But
that doesn't mean there aren't dynamics in force to push the person
toward the psychotic break."
Schlosser was charged with capital murder after police found the
35-year-old mother on Nov. 22 covered in blood in her living room,
still holding a knife.
Macaulay said Schlosser had been emotionally dependent on her mother
since childhood, when she had several operations to remove an abnormal
amount of fluid from her brain. After the surgeries, Schlosser's brain
functions seemed normal. She went on to college in Illinois, married
her husband John and became a mother.
The Schlossers moved to Texas about five years ago. John soon lost his
job and began working for himself as a consultant. The family had to
trade their spacious home for a small apartment, and a midwife
delivered Margaret because they had no health insurance.
The stress of money, a new baby and a mother who has Parkinson's
disease (news - web sites) affected Schlosser. Child Protective
Services investigated her for neglect in January after she left the
newborn alone and her 5-year-old daughter was seen chasing her mother
down the street on a bicycle.
Schlosser received psychiatric treatment for postpartum depression and
the agency determined she was stable in August.
By then, though, Schlosser's association with Davidson's church had
intensified, Macaulay said.
He said Davidson used violent imagery and told women they possessed a
rebellious "Jezebel" spirit, and that they should submit to their
husbands, he said.
"I'm not saying that anybody suggested 'Go cut your baby's arms off,'"
said Macaulay, a mental health counselor who lives with Schlosser's
mother, Connie, in Canada. "This diminishing of women, this diminishing
of women's powers, women's importance, referring to women as jezebels,
I think, further undermines an already fragile ego state that Dena's
experiencing."
That's absurd, the 72-year-old minister said.
"I'm an apostle and I'm a prophet," Davidson said. "I only teach what's
in the Bible and that's what makes them mad."
Davidson, a former veterinarian, said God told him to start Water of
Life Ministries in suburban Dallas in the early 1980s. His sermons,
based on literal interpretations of the Bible, are available on his Web
site and broadcast on TV and radio in several states.
He refers to Methodist, Catholic and Baptist denominations as cults and
believes the Ten Commandments apply only to the disobedient, not the
righteous.
Davidson doesn't deny his teachings are unconventional. He said he
avoids violent imagery, but he does teach that women are weaker and
should submit to their husbands.
He also said he isn't well-liked by much of the religious community,
and he was removed from the Daystar Television Network, a major
Christian broadcaster, after his sermons offended top officials.
In September, Davidson was arrested on a public intoxication charge
after a couple, longtime members of his church, called 911, alleging
the minister attacked them at their home. Davidson said he was only
trying to cast the devil out of the wife, who had become rebellious and
rejected his teachings. He said he entered the home with the permission
of her husband.
The couple told police Davidson choked the woman. The couple declined
to press assault charges and several calls by the AP to their home went
unanswered.
Davidson said he believes the incident was a "setup of Satan himself to
try and destroy my ministry."
Davidson claimed he's had little interaction with Dena since the
Schlossers began attending his roughly 200-member church in 2002.
But Macaulay said Schlosser, who spoke to her mother almost daily by
phone, talked incessantly about Davidson, urging them to listen to
sermons on his Web site. Macaulay said they listened to about 60 hours
of sermons, which only fed their concern.
Macaulay said Schlosser started using prayer instead of antibiotics
when her children were sick and was convinced Davidson could cure her
mother of Parkinson's. When Connie Macaulay visited two years ago,
Schlosser had Davidson "lay hands on" her mother to drive out evil
spirits and disease.
"Dena was so confident that Connie was cured that they threw out her
medicine," Macaulay said.
Schlosser's husband, John, also supported the minister. His personal
Web site contains several Bible passages and a link to Davidson's Web
site. He has refused to give media interviews.
Macaulay said that as he and his wife struggle to understand their
daughter's unthinkable crime, the minister is ever-present on their
minds.
"(Connie) looked at me somewhat plaintively after she had a good cry
the other day and said 'I hope Dena won't go back to that church,'" he
said.
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| User: "Pastor Ized" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity involved in severed baby arms |
07 Dec 2004 06:16:42 AM |
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"George Washington Hayduke" <sss@hite.org> wrote in message
news:10ra6p0odob1oec@corp.supernews.com...
Pastor Decried After Child's Arms Severed
By LISA FALKENBERG
http://tinyurl.com/4npyp
PLANO, Texas - Long before Dena Schlosser took a blade to her baby's
arms, her parents had begun to worry. In the years after she moved to
Texas with her husband and children, their gentle, dependent daughter
had become increasingly isolated. And, according to her stepfather, she
was dangerously consumed by a self-described prophet and his church.
Don't try this at home folks!
This reminds me of a person who I worked with. After a schizophrenic episode
he actually pulled out one of his eyes and attempted to drown himself. Later
in the psychiatric hospital where he was taken the doctors told us that he
had heard voices in his head quoting from the bible telling him "that if his
eye offended him to pluck it out" I don't know which bible passage that is
(psychotherapy 12.3 from the book of sheep farmers or something?).
On Googling around for the actual passage I was surprised to see similar sad
episodes to this worldwide in which people mutilate themselves and others
under similar circumstances.
Perhaps this book needs a similar health warning as cigarette packets do.
LW
http://www.whosoever.org/editorial/literal.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37908
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity involved in severed baby arms |
07 Dec 2004 03:21:54 PM |
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:16:42 -0000, "Pastor Ized" <news@spamcop.net>
wrote:
"George Washington Hayduke" <sss@hite.org> wrote in message
news:10ra6p0odob1oec@corp.supernews.com...
Pastor Decried After Child's Arms Severed
By LISA FALKENBERG
http://tinyurl.com/4npyp
PLANO, Texas - Long before Dena Schlosser took a blade to her baby's
arms, her parents had begun to worry. In the years after she moved to
Texas with her husband and children, their gentle, dependent daughter
had become increasingly isolated. And, according to her stepfather, she
was dangerously consumed by a self-described prophet and his church.
Don't try this at home folks!
This reminds me of a person who I worked with. After a schizophrenic episode
he actually pulled out one of his eyes and attempted to drown himself. Later
in the psychiatric hospital where he was taken the doctors told us that he
had heard voices in his head quoting from the bible telling him "that if his
eye offended him to pluck it out" I don't know which bible passage that is
(psychotherapy 12.3 from the book of sheep farmers or something?).
On Googling around for the actual passage I was surprised to see similar sad
episodes to this worldwide in which people mutilate themselves and others
under similar circumstances.
Perhaps this book needs a similar health warning as cigarette packets do.
"Warning! Excessive use of this book may result in permanent brain
damage." <G>
LW
http://www.whosoever.org/editorial/literal.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37908
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| User: "Family Man" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity involved in severed baby arms |
08 Dec 2004 06:35:54 PM |
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"George Washington Hayduke" <sss@hite.org> wrote in message
news:10ra6p0odob1oec@corp.supernews.com...
Pastor Decried After Child's Arms Severed
By LISA FALKENBERG
http://tinyurl.com/4npyp
PLANO, Texas - Long before Dena Schlosser took a blade to her baby's
arms, her parents had begun to worry. In the years after she moved to
Texas with her husband and children, their gentle, dependent daughter
had become increasingly isolated. And, according to her stepfather, she
was dangerously consumed by a self-described prophet and his church.
Dena's stepfather, Mick Macaulay, said that although he blames mental
illness for Schlosser severing the arms of 10-month-old daughter
Margaret and leaving her to die, he believes the teachings of Doyle
Davidson also played a role.
That's nothing. Just think of how many children were blown up by the
christian taliban in Iraq.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity involved in severed baby arms |
07 Dec 2004 03:53:33 PM |
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Its a good example of christian demonic possesion, almost everyday
christians are prone to this kind of sickness and it happens on a mass
scale too, consider the war mongering american christian demonic masses
as an example. Butchering innocent men, woman and children is nothing
less than satanic influence that only christians are prone. Jesus is
satan incarnate and his minions of hell are set loose in the world.
Perhaps an exorcism of all world christians is an option? The problem
is straping them down all at the same time and giving them a collective
electrical shock, or perhaps the world health organization could
innoculate christians worldwide with the proper medications?.
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