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Religions > Atheism |
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"Heretic" |
| Date: |
03 Mar 2005 12:50:51 PM |
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Christianity is not under attack; it's under-taxed. |
First, "Christianity under attack" is when the Romans used to throw
you to the lions. Don't even try to equate that with not being allowed
to put a statue of the ten commandments in a courthouse. It is beyond
ridiculous.
Second, I know of no case where anyone has been thrown in jail for
mentioning God in school or putting up a nativity scene... except in
your dreams.
Third, if you are under attack, why don't you churches have to pay
taxes like I do? Seems a funny way to oppress someone, don't you
think?
Fourth, why do you feel the need to open your mouth about your psycho
fantasy where there are people who don't want to have it shoved down
their throats? Have you ever thought how it must feel to be an atheist
and have religion shoved down your throat?
To help you out with this concept, imagine this. I am an atheist. What
if I want to have a statue commemorating our secular form of
government by putting a stone statue in an American courthouse that
says, "THERE IS NO GOD"? How willing are you to stand up for my
philosophy's right to assert itself in stone in an official government
building? How about, "One nation, under god and the holy gay dog, with
liberty and justice for all"? How does that sound? Hint: It sounds as
ridiculous to you as "under God" sounds to me.
"But, Christianity is our history! We are a Christian country," I hear
you holler. Wrong. Our founding fathers were deists. The founding
fathers were very clear on rejecting Christianity as the ravings of
lunatics and outright lies. This is not to say that they were
atheists. They believed in God in some form. They admired the
substantive teachings of Jesus. Big deal. So do Muslims. But the
founders were not Christians. They were deists who denied the divinity
of Jesus, believing in the "God of Nature." Enough lies about this,
Christians.
The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate in 1797 containing the
statement "The government of the United States is not in any sense
founded on the Christian religion." Written during George Washington's
administration, this treaty went to the Senate during the Adams
administration. It was read out loud to the Senate, and all Senators
received copies. It passed with a unanimous vote with no record of
dissent. Three papers reprinted it, and the public apparently had no
objection. So unanimous, in fact, were our "founding fathers" in this
respect that a preacher named Bird Wilson complained in 1831 that
"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a
professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."
James Madison, in an 1803 letter complaining about using public land
for churches, wrote "The purpose of separation of church and state is
to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked
the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." In 1774, he wrote
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for
every noble enterprise."
John Admas asked "Have you considered that system of holy lies and
pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?" He also
said "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no
religion in it."
In 1787, Thomas Jefferson wrote "Shake off all the fears of servile
prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason
firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every
opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because,
if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear." He also wrote that "History, I believe,
furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free
civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which
their political as well as religious leaders will always avail
themselves for their own purpose." He wrote "It has been fifty and
sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and then I considered it
merely the ravings of a maniac." To Adams, he wrote "The truth is,
that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling
themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the
structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and
without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come,
when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his
father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the
generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." For you Republicans
without many reading skills, I will translate the previous passage. He
says that the story of Mary being impregnated by God, producing Jesus,
is a myth. Unequivocally, he writes "I have recently been examining
all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our
particular superstition one redeeming feature. They are all alike
founded on fables and mythology." You go, Tom! How about this one? "We
discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things
impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ." In 1814, he
wrote "Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common
Law." On the wall between church and state, he writes "I contemplate
with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which
declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,'
thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
George Washington, however, kept his beliefs private. We can make
inferences that he was not a Christian in that he requested no clergy
or religious sacraments on his deathbed. There are hearsay accounts of
Washington not being Christian, such as Thomas Jefferson's experience
that "Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington
believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself."
And, of course, when Washington's wife went into church, he would wait
on the steps for her.
Benjamin Franklin wrote ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my
hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite
contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the
Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger
than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist." In
1782, directly rejecting Christian dogma, he wrote "I cannot conceive
otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no
worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
Note the next one: "I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of
good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping,
sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and
compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing
the Deity." Burn! How about another burn: "Lighthouses are more
helpful than churches." On faith, the primary condition of
Christianity, he said "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of
reason." Ouch! How clear does he have to be for the Christians to
believe he really doesn't agree with them? Making himself even clearer
on faith, he said "In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by
faith, but by the lack of it." Then he "...looked around for God's
judgments, but saw no signs of them." His Christian friend Joseph
Priestly said "It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's
general good character and great influence should have been an
unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to
make others unbelievers.
And what of Thomas Paine? Ha ha. This guy hated Christianity with a
passion, and there are too many of his anti-Christian rants to include
here.
Christians, you have been lied to, and flattery has been used to make
the lies go down easily. I guess I understand your arrogance because
you really think this is a Christian country. As we see from what the
actual architects of American democracy said, however, you are
gracefully tolerated. Now, please straighten up and fly right.
Maybe some secularists get too overzealous. I haven't seen it,
personally, and I am guessing you haven't either. Maybe if you are a
fundamentalist you wanted to force your psychotic fantasy on other
people at the beginning of a baseball game, and someone stopped you,
which you considered oppression, but I say more power to them.
Otherwise, we would have to wait while the Muslims prayed to Mecca,
the Buddhists meditated, the Sikhs did whatever they do, the Jews did
their thing, until every freakish belief on the planet had its moment
to prance around declaring theirs the true faith. There would be no
time for a game, and you good Christians would probably end up killing
anyone that didn't agree with you or at least asserting your
superiority over everyone, which seem to be the two things you guys do
best.
Now, why don't you oppressed martyrs take your bleeding stigmata, get
in your $40k SUVs, drive back to the suburbs, get on your knees in
your ten-jillion square foot tax-exempt air conditioned mega-chapels,
and beg God to deliver you from all this secular oppression?
EVIGILARE PECUA!
http://unrealitycheck.com
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| User: "Williams" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is not under attack; it's under-taxed. |
03 Mar 2005 01:16:59 PM |
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Greenspan says deficits are 'unsustainable', proposes national sales
tax
WASHINGTON, March 2 - Alan Greenspan, chairman of the Federal Reserve,
warned on Wednesday that the federal budget deficits were
"unsustainable," and he urged Congress to scrutinize both spending and
taxes to solve the problem...
WASHINGTON, March 3 - Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said
today that the tax system should be simplified, perhaps with some kind
of consumption tax... White House officials and Republican allies in
Congress have floated the idea of some sort of consumption tax -
basically, a tax on money that people spend, such as a sales tax,
rather than on what they earn....
=====================================================================
ok... now that rich people got their huge tax cuts, let's make up for
it with ---> a national sales tax!!!!!!!
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity is not under attack; it's under-taxed. |
03 Mar 2005 04:01:46 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:50:51 GMT, Heretic
<nospam#^%&%------------->heretic@unrealitycheck.com> wrote:
First, "Christianity under attack" is when the Romans used to throw
you to the lions. Don't even try to equate that with not being allowed
to put a statue of the ten commandments in a courthouse. It is beyond
ridiculous.
Second, I know of no case where anyone has been thrown in jail for
mentioning God in school or putting up a nativity scene... except in
your dreams.
Third, if you are under attack, why don't you churches have to pay
taxes like I do? Seems a funny way to oppress someone, don't you
think?
Fourth, why do you feel the need to open your mouth about your psycho
fantasy where there are people who don't want to have it shoved down
their throats? Have you ever thought how it must feel to be an atheist
and have religion shoved down your throat?
To help you out with this concept, imagine this. I am an atheist. What
if I want to have a statue commemorating our secular form of
government by putting a stone statue in an American courthouse that
says, "THERE IS NO GOD"? How willing are you to stand up for my
philosophy's right to assert itself in stone in an official government
building? How about, "One nation, under god and the holy gay dog, with
liberty and justice for all"? How does that sound? Hint: It sounds as
ridiculous to you as "under God" sounds to me.
"But, Christianity is our history! We are a Christian country," I hear
you holler. Wrong. Our founding fathers were deists. The founding
fathers were very clear on rejecting Christianity as the ravings of
lunatics and outright lies. This is not to say that they were
atheists. They believed in God in some form. They admired the
substantive teachings of Jesus. Big deal. So do Muslims. But the
founders were not Christians. They were deists who denied the divinity
of Jesus, believing in the "God of Nature." Enough lies about this,
Christians.
The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate in 1797 containing the
statement "The government of the United States is not in any sense
founded on the Christian religion." Written during George Washington's
administration, this treaty went to the Senate during the Adams
administration. It was read out loud to the Senate, and all Senators
received copies. It passed with a unanimous vote with no record of
dissent. Three papers reprinted it, and the public apparently had no
objection. So unanimous, in fact, were our "founding fathers" in this
respect that a preacher named Bird Wilson complained in 1831 that
"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a
professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."
James Madison, in an 1803 letter complaining about using public land
for churches, wrote "The purpose of separation of church and state is
to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked
the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." In 1774, he wrote
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for
every noble enterprise."
John Admas asked "Have you considered that system of holy lies and
pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?" He also
said "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no
religion in it."
In 1787, Thomas Jefferson wrote "Shake off all the fears of servile
prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason
firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every
opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because,
if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear." He also wrote that "History, I believe,
furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free
civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which
their political as well as religious leaders will always avail
themselves for their own purpose." He wrote "It has been fifty and
sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and then I considered it
merely the ravings of a maniac." To Adams, he wrote "The truth is,
that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling
themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the
structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and
without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come,
when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his
father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the
generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." For you Republicans
without many reading skills, I will translate the previous passage. He
says that the story of Mary being impregnated by God, producing Jesus,
is a myth. Unequivocally, he writes "I have recently been examining
all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our
particular superstition one redeeming feature. They are all alike
founded on fables and mythology." You go, Tom! How about this one? "We
discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things
impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ." In 1814, he
wrote "Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common
Law." On the wall between church and state, he writes "I contemplate
with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which
declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,'
thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
George Washington, however, kept his beliefs private. We can make
inferences that he was not a Christian in that he requested no clergy
or religious sacraments on his deathbed. There are hearsay accounts of
Washington not being Christian, such as Thomas Jefferson's experience
that "Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington
believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself."
And, of course, when Washington's wife went into church, he would wait
on the steps for her.
Benjamin Franklin wrote ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my
hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite
contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the
Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger
than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist." In
1782, directly rejecting Christian dogma, he wrote "I cannot conceive
otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no
worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
Note the next one: "I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of
good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping,
sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and
compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing
the Deity." Burn! How about another burn: "Lighthouses are more
helpful than churches." On faith, the primary condition of
Christianity, he said "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of
reason." Ouch! How clear does he have to be for the Christians to
believe he really doesn't agree with them? Making himself even clearer
on faith, he said "In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by
faith, but by the lack of it." Then he "...looked around for God's
judgments, but saw no signs of them." His Christian friend Joseph
Priestly said "It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's
general good character and great influence should have been an
unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to
make others unbelievers.
And what of Thomas Paine? Ha ha. This guy hated Christianity with a
passion, and there are too many of his anti-Christian rants to include
here.
Christians, you have been lied to, and flattery has been used to make
the lies go down easily. I guess I understand your arrogance because
you really think this is a Christian country. As we see from what the
actual architects of American democracy said, however, you are
gracefully tolerated. Now, please straighten up and fly right.
Maybe some secularists get too overzealous. I haven't seen it,
personally, and I am guessing you haven't either. Maybe if you are a
fundamentalist you wanted to force your psychotic fantasy on other
people at the beginning of a baseball game, and someone stopped you,
which you considered oppression, but I say more power to them.
Otherwise, we would have to wait while the Muslims prayed to Mecca,
the Buddhists meditated, the Sikhs did whatever they do, the Jews did
their thing, until every freakish belief on the planet had its moment
to prance around declaring theirs the true faith. There would be no
time for a game, and you good Christians would probably end up killing
anyone that didn't agree with you or at least asserting your
superiority over everyone, which seem to be the two things you guys do
best.
Now, why don't you oppressed martyrs take your bleeding stigmata, get
in your $40k SUVs, drive back to the suburbs, get on your knees in
your ten-jillion square foot tax-exempt air conditioned mega-chapels,
and beg God to deliver you from all this secular oppression?
<applause>
EVIGILARE PECUA!
http://unrealitycheck.com
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