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Christianity Is The Ultimate Foundation Of Liberty, Conscience, Human Rights And Democracy, Says Top German Atheist Philosopher |
http://www.cathnews.com/news/411/131.php
Atheist supports Ratzinger crusade against secularism
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has enlisted in his defence of Christianity
against secular Europe, the German philosopher J=FCrgen Habermas, who
said in an essay published this month that "Christianity, and nothing
else, is the ultimate foundation of liberty, conscience, human rights,
and democracy, the benchmarks of Western civilisation".
Habermas, who defines himself as "a methodical atheist", is a member of
the Frankfurt School of philosophy. His most recent essay - A Time of
Transition - was published in Italy this month.
Sandro Magister, the Vatican affairs writer for the Italian news
magazine l'Espresso quotes Habermas' confession that he is is
"enchanted by the seriousness and consistency" of the theology of St.
Thomas Aquinas, "the opposite of the feeble thinking that pervades
current theology".
Habermas says: "Thomas represents a spiritual figure who was able to
prove his authenticity with his own resources. That contemporary
religious leadership lacks an equally solid terrain seems to me an
incontrovertible truth. In the general level;ing of society by the
media everything seems to lose seriousness, even institutionalised
Christianity. But theology would lose its identity if it sought to
uncouple itself from the dogmatic nucleus of religion, and thus from
the religious language in which the community's practices of prayer,
confession, and faith are made concrete."
On relations with other civilisations, Habermas maintains that
"recognising our Judaeo-Christian roots more clearly not only does not
impair intercultural understanding, it is what makes it possible."
Magister said that last month, Cardinal Ratzinger "summoned to the
field as his ally 'the philosopher considered in the world of the
German language as the purest secularist'". He said Ratzinger alluded
to Habermas during a public discussion in Rome with another secularist
intellectual, Ernesto Galli Della Loggia, a professor at the university
of Perugia.
SOURCE
The Church Is Under Siege. But Habermas, the Atheist, Is Coming to its
Defense (L'espresso/www.chiesa 22/11/04)
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25 Oct 2006 02:27:02 AM |
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On 24 Oct 2006 19:26:22 -0700, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
Since no country has ever been based on lack of belief in gods, your
question is meaningless.
Glad you admit no state based on atheism
ever defended the rights of non athesits.
There's a large difference between "your question is meaningless" and
"you're correct".
Notice I named a state that I actually lived
in based on Bibical principles that did
defend human rights
Only the rights of those who believed the way that state considered
correct.
So you are an atheist that believes
in censorship?
When we censor a dishonest *****. Meet the only real god - Plonk.
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rukbat at optonline dot net
Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
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23 Oct 2006 01:40:17 PM |
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On 23 Oct 2006 08:35:39 -0700, wrote:
The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological
objective the elimination of religion.
Which is why the Russian Orthodox Church flourished all through the
entire history of the Soviet Union, a nation led, for the most part,
by a former seminary student.
propagated atheism in the schools.
In much the same way we now "propagate" lack of belief in Cthulu in
the schools.
Failure to promote Christianity isn't "promoting atheism".
All I know is when people who are
atheists take state power look out.
Since everyone is atheistic with regard to almost every god ever
conceived of by man, that's either nonsense or you're condemning the
concept of government.
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rukbat at optonline dot net
"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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23 Oct 2006 01:57:34 AM |
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Oct 2006 09:28:47 -0700,
let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On 21 Oct 2006 15:09:09 -0700, wrote:
I guess many atheists miss Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,
and other enlightened atheist rulers
Another one who can't understand the difference between a different
god and no god.
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FYI - The Soviet Union was officially an
atheistic state.
FYI: the Soviet Union was officially a communist state, which
means that the party and collective was worshipped.
I don't know why you have to be so dishonest and deny that.
Don
Marxism is Messianic through and through.
it begins with a proposed eschatology.
theism or atheism is irrelevant.
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23 Oct 2006 10:37:06 AM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Oct 2006 09:28:47 -0700,
let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On 21 Oct 2006 15:09:09 -0700, wrote:
I guess many atheists miss Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,
and other enlightened atheist rulers
Another one who can't understand the difference between a different
god and no god.
--
FYI - The Soviet Union was officially an
atheistic state.
FYI: the Soviet Union was officially a communist state, which
means that the party and collective was worshipped.
I don't know why you have to be so dishonest and deny that.
Don
Marxism is Messianic through and through.
it begins with a proposed eschatology.
theism or atheism is irrelevant.
All I know is when people who are
atheists take state power look out.
Jim
De Nile is not only
a river in Egypt
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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23 Oct 2006 02:44:22 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 23 Oct 2006 08:37:06 -0700,
let us all know that:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Oct 2006 09:28:47 -0700,
let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On 21 Oct 2006 15:09:09 -0700, wrote:
I guess many atheists miss Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,
and other enlightened atheist rulers
Another one who can't understand the difference between a different
god and no god.
--
FYI - The Soviet Union was officially an
atheistic state.
FYI: the Soviet Union was officially a communist state, which
means that the party and collective was worshipped.
I don't know why you have to be so dishonest and deny that.
Don
Marxism is Messianic through and through.
it begins with a proposed eschatology.
theism or atheism is irrelevant.
All I know is when people who are
atheists take state power look out.
No, you don't know that, actually.
But it's certainly very christian of you to lie.
Don
---
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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23 Oct 2006 02:53:23 PM |
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 23 Oct 2006 08:37:06 -0700,
let us all know that:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Oct 2006 09:28:47 -0700,
let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On 21 Oct 2006 15:09:09 -0700, wrote:
I guess many atheists miss Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,
and other enlightened atheist rulers
Another one who can't understand the difference between a different
god and no god.
--
FYI - The Soviet Union was officially an
atheistic state.
FYI: the Soviet Union was officially a communist state, which
means that the party and collective was worshipped.
I don't know why you have to be so dishonest and deny that.
Don
Marxism is Messianic through and through.
it begins with a proposed eschatology.
theism or atheism is irrelevant.
All I know is when people who are
atheists take state power look out.
No, you don't know that, actually.
But it's certainly very christian of you to lie.
Don
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Just name a state founded on atheism
that defended human rights?
As you say, you need to prove
your assertion.
Jim
De Nile is not only
a river in Egypt
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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25 Oct 2006 02:54:18 AM |
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wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 23 Oct 2006 08:37:06 -0700,
let us all know that:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Oct 2006 09:28:47 -0700,
let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On 21 Oct 2006 15:09:09 -0700, wrote:
I guess many atheists miss Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,
and other enlightened atheist rulers
Another one who can't understand the difference between a different
god and no god.
--
FYI - The Soviet Union was officially an
atheistic state.
FYI: the Soviet Union was officially a communist state, which
means that the party and collective was worshipped.
I don't know why you have to be so dishonest and deny that.
Don
Marxism is Messianic through and through.
it begins with a proposed eschatology.
theism or atheism is irrelevant.
All I know is when people who are
atheists take state power look out.
No, you don't know that, actually.
But it's certainly very christian of you to lie.
Don
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Just name a state founded on atheism
that defended human rights?
The USA?
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
As you say, you need to prove
your assertion.
Jim
De Nile is not only
a river in Egypt
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Oct 2006 09:30:00 AM |
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On 25 Oct 2006 00:54:18 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
jwsheffield@satx.rr.com wrote:
Just name a state founded on atheism
that defended human rights?
The USA?
Used to defend, but okay.
--
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false, and at the least an error of faith."
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25 Oct 2006 10:59:02 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 00:54:18 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
jwsheffield@satx.rr.com wrote:
Just name a state founded on atheism
that defended human rights?
The USA?
Used to defend, but okay.
True, might do once again, I hope.
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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rukbat at optonline dot net
"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
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25 Oct 2006 12:13:10 PM |
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Lucifer wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 00:54:18 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
jwsheffield@satx.rr.com wrote:
Just name a state founded on atheism
that defended human rights?
The USA?
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one
People to dissolve the Political bands which have connected them with
another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and
equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle
them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they
should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation.
[edit] Preamble
We hold these Truths to be self-evident: that all Men are created
equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain
unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit
of Happiness.
"Nature's God" and "Creator" doesn't sound
like atheism to me?
Used to defend, but okay.
True, might do once again, I hope.
If it wasn't for the Bill of Rights
that the State where I was born
and raised,Rhode Island, demanded be passed
atheists wouldn't have a prayer.
" What is your religion or spiritual belief? In the U.S., we can take
it for granted that people are free to follow any belief they wish.
Elsewhere, this often isn't the case.
During the 17th century, people left England to escape religious
persecution. Many colonists came to America to be able to freely
practice their religions. Roger Williams was a defender of religious
liberty who arrived in Boston on February 5, 1631.
Ordained to the ministry in the Church of England, Williams discovered
Puritanism, a reform movement that developed within the Church of
England, during his first parish duty. He converted. Soon after, he was
asked to be minister in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Leaving behind
the religious intolerance under England's King Charles I, he and his
wife journeyed across the ocean to join the "American Experiment" in
Boston in 1631. At first, Williams just wanted to reform the Church of
England; soon, he sought separation completely.
Many of Williams's parishioners did not agree with his idea to separate
from the Church of England. He then became minister in Salem. There,
his ideas also proved too radical. He went to Plymouth but again fell
into disfavor. Williams insisted that land must be purchased from the
Indians, rather than taken from them forcefully, in order to claim
title to it. He again went to Salem and was eventually put on trial in
1635 for his views. His sentence was banishment. Williams then
purchased land from the Narragansett Indians and established the
settlement of Providence, Rhode Island.
Williams founded the colony of Rhode Island based upon principles of
complete religious toleration, separation of church and state, and
political democracy (values that the U.S. would later be founded upon).
It became a refuge for people persecuted for their religious beliefs.
Anabaptists, Quakers, and Jews settled in Rhode Island. After forming
the first Baptist church in America, Williams left it to seek
spirituality in different ways. He stopped preaching to his friends,
the Indians, when he realized that their form of worship also fell
under his principle of religious freedom. He declared, "forced worship
stinks in God's nostrils." Williams's ideas were radical at the time,
but can you imagine living in a place without religious freedom now?"
http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/colonial/williams_1
Yes, the atheistic state of North Korea.
I suggest you read the classic on Religious
Liberty that gives the Bibical grounds for religious liberty
Bloudy Tenant of Persecution for Cause of Conscience
by Author: Roger Williams
Jim
De Nile is not only
a river in Egypt
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25 Oct 2006 01:32:19 PM |
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wrote:
Lucifer wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 00:54:18 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
wrote:
Just name a state founded on atheism
that defended human rights?
The USA?
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one
People to dissolve the Political bands which have connected them with
another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and
equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle
them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they
should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation.
[edit] Preamble
We hold these Truths to be self-evident: that all Men are created
equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain
unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit
of Happiness.
"Nature's God" and "Creator" doesn't sound
like atheism to me?
Pantheism at the most, check out the treaty of Tripoli. Hell, even I
know that one, and I'm not even a yank.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
Used to defend, but okay.
True, might do once again, I hope.
If it wasn't for the Bill of Rights
that the State where I was born
and raised,Rhode Island, demanded be passed
atheists wouldn't have a prayer.
" What is your religion or spiritual belief? In the U.S., we can take
it for granted that people are free to follow any belief they wish.
Elsewhere, this often isn't the case.
During the 17th century, people left England to escape religious
persecution. Many colonists came to America to be able to freely
practice their religions. Roger Williams was a defender of religious
liberty who arrived in Boston on February 5, 1631.
Ordained to the ministry in the Church of England, Williams discovered
Puritanism, a reform movement that developed within the Church of
England, during his first parish duty. He converted. Soon after, he was
asked to be minister in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Leaving behind
the religious intolerance under England's King Charles I, he and his
wife journeyed across the ocean to join the "American Experiment" in
Boston in 1631. At first, Williams just wanted to reform the Church of
England; soon, he sought separation completely.
Many of Williams's parishioners did not agree with his idea to separate
from the Church of England. He then became minister in Salem. There,
his ideas also proved too radical. He went to Plymouth but again fell
into disfavor. Williams insisted that land must be purchased from the
Indians, rather than taken from them forcefully, in order to claim
title to it. He again went to Salem and was eventually put on trial in
1635 for his views. His sentence was banishment. Williams then
purchased land from the Narragansett Indians and established the
settlement of Providence, Rhode Island.
Williams founded the colony of Rhode Island based upon principles of
complete religious toleration, separation of church and state, and
political democracy (values that the U.S. would later be founded upon).
It became a refuge for people persecuted for their religious beliefs.
Anabaptists, Quakers, and Jews settled in Rhode Island. After forming
the first Baptist church in America, Williams left it to seek
spirituality in different ways. He stopped preaching to his friends,
the Indians, when he realized that their form of worship also fell
under his principle of religious freedom. He declared, "forced worship
stinks in God's nostrils." Williams's ideas were radical at the time,
but can you imagine living in a place without religious freedom now?"
http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/colonial/williams_1
Yes, the atheistic state of North Korea.
I suggest you read the classic on Religious
Liberty that gives the Bibical grounds for religious liberty
Bloudy Tenant of Persecution for Cause of Conscience
by Author: Roger Williams
Jim
De Nile is not only
a river in Egypt
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25 Oct 2006 05:06:12 PM |
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On 25 Oct 2006 11:32:19 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[piggybacking]
jwsheffield@satx.rr.com wrote:
Lucifer wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 00:54:18 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
jwsheffield@satx.rr.com wrote:
Just name a state founded on atheism
that defended human rights?
The USA?
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
What does a declaration of war issued by a British colony have to do
with the founding of the United States of America? Hint: not a thing.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
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23 Oct 2006 08:41:49 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 23 Oct 2006 12:53:23 -0700,
let us all know that:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 23 Oct 2006 08:37:06 -0700,
let us all know that:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Oct 2006 09:28:47 -0700,
let us all know that:
Al Klein wrote:
On 21 Oct 2006 15:09:09 -0700, wrote:
I guess many atheists miss Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,
and other enlightened atheist rulers
Another one who can't understand the difference between a different
god and no god.
--
FYI - The Soviet Union was officially an
atheistic state.
FYI: the Soviet Union was officially a communist state, which
means that the party and collective was worshipped.
I don't know why you have to be so dishonest and deny that.
Don
Marxism is Messianic through and through.
it begins with a proposed eschatology.
theism or atheism is irrelevant.
All I know is when people who are
atheists take state power look out.
No, you don't know that, actually.
But it's certainly very christian of you to lie.
Don
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Just name a state founded on atheism
that defended human rights?
Just name a state founded on christianity that defended human
rights.
Also, name a state founded on atheism. Hint: there never have
been any.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Oct 2006 07:03:28 PM |
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On 23 Oct 2006 12:53:23 -0700, wrote:
Just name a state founded on atheism that defended human rights?
ANY nation not founded on religion would meet YOUR definition of "a
state founded on atheism" - but, in reality, there's never been a
nation "founded on atheism", since you can't found a state based on
what its citizens DON'T believe.
Communism is "founded on" the concept of state ownership of capital,
not on lack of belief in gods. Communism's opposite is capitalism,
not theocracy.
As you say, you need to prove your assertion.
I just did - lack of belief isn't a "thing" a nation can be founded
on, your incorrect definition of atheism aside.
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rukbat at optonline dot net
"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or half-truths; if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to shout down every utterance." - A. J. Mims
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Oct 2006 01:41:33 PM |
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On 23 Oct 2006 08:37:06 -0700, wrote:
All I know is when people who are atheists take state power look out.
I wouldn't brag about vacuuousness in public.
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"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus
was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Oct 2006 08:00:20 PM |
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On 22 Oct 2006 09:28:47 -0700, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 21 Oct 2006 15:09:09 -0700, wrote:
I guess many atheists miss Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,
and other enlightened atheist rulers
Another one who can't understand the difference between a different
god and no god.
--
FYI - The Soviet Union was officially an
atheistic state.
See the line you responded to.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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19 Oct 2006 01:19:22 AM |
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Ken Wood wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/411/131.php
Atheist supports Ratzinger crusade against secularism
What the world needs is another round of witch burning.
KW
keeping prisoners hopped up on drugs until their minds are irreparably
damaged is sufficiently effective.
they don't need to recant and the public feels safe knowing they are
locked away.
the witch burning is good if the prisoners recant.
but if they call down curses as they are burning and name names this
can reverse the outcome.
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| Title: Re: Christianity Is The Ultimate Foundation Of Liberty, Conscience, Human Rights And Democracy, Says Top German Atheist Philosopher |
06 Oct 2006 05:40:51 AM |
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There are pagans, for example some native american tribes that had
forms of democracy, consciences, ideas of human rights and a great deal
of liberty. Some of these ideas were noted and used by founders of the
US. Ratzinger and Habermas are wrong.
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/411/131.php
Atheist supports Ratzinger crusade against secularism
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has enlisted in his defence of Christianity
against secular Europe, the German philosopher J=FCrgen Habermas, who
said in an essay published this month that "Christianity, and nothing
else, is the ultimate foundation of liberty, conscience, human rights,
and democracy, the benchmarks of Western civilisation".
Habermas, who defines himself as "a methodical atheist", is a member of
the Frankfurt School of philosophy. His most recent essay - A Time of
Transition - was published in Italy this month.
Sandro Magister, the Vatican affairs writer for the Italian news
magazine l'Espresso quotes Habermas' confession that he is is
"enchanted by the seriousness and consistency" of the theology of St.
Thomas Aquinas, "the opposite of the feeble thinking that pervades
current theology".
Habermas says: "Thomas represents a spiritual figure who was able to
prove his authenticity with his own resources. That contemporary
religious leadership lacks an equally solid terrain seems to me an
incontrovertible truth. In the general level;ing of society by the
media everything seems to lose seriousness, even institutionalised
Christianity. But theology would lose its identity if it sought to
uncouple itself from the dogmatic nucleus of religion, and thus from
the religious language in which the community's practices of prayer,
confession, and faith are made concrete."
On relations with other civilisations, Habermas maintains that
"recognising our Judaeo-Christian roots more clearly not only does not
impair intercultural understanding, it is what makes it possible."
Magister said that last month, Cardinal Ratzinger "summoned to the
field as his ally 'the philosopher considered in the world of the
German language as the purest secularist'". He said Ratzinger alluded
to Habermas during a public discussion in Rome with another secularist
intellectual, Ernesto Galli Della Loggia, a professor at the university
of Perugia.
SOURCE
The Church Is Under Siege. But Habermas, the Atheist, Is Coming to its
Defense (L'espresso/www.chiesa 22/11/04)
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity Is The Ultimate Foundation Of Liberty, Conscience, Human Rights And Democracy, Says Top German Atheist Philosopher |
09 Oct 2006 02:51:43 AM |
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wrote:
There are pagans, for example some native american tribes that had
forms of democracy, consciences, ideas of human rights and a great deal
of liberty. Some of these ideas were noted and used by founders of the
US. Ratzinger and Habermas are wrong.
on one level you are correct.
However you missed the point entirely.
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