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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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07 Feb 2005 11:50:11 PM |
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Christianity strikes again |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6929587/
Prosecutors said Kennard claimed his company was developing Christian
resorts around the country. He told preachers that for a fee of a few
thousand dollars, their churches could be "members" of his company.
In return, he promised that in time the churches would get a grant or a
forgivable loan of up to $500,000.
The scheme spread as the trusting ministers told their friends,
relatives and fellow pastors, prosecutors said.
'It was about trust'
"It wasn't about ignorance. It was about trust," said the Rev.
James Cane of Victory Worship Center in Birmingham, Ala., one of
several preachers who testified for the government.
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 06:52:35 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6929587/
Prosecutors said Kennard claimed his company was developing Christian
resorts around the country. He told preachers that for a fee of a few
thousand dollars, their churches could be "members" of his company.
In return, he promised that in time the churches would get a grant or
a
forgivable loan of up to $500,000.
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"It wasn't about ignorance. It was about trust," said the Rev.
James Cane of Victory Worship Center in Birmingham, Ala., one of
several preachers who testified for the government.
Give them a break! They weren't _worshipping_ mammon, they
were just trying to make some!
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
http://www.markovci.si/mrfreud/zvoki.htm
http://humor.doboj.net/pjesme/elmer_fudd-kill_the_wabbit.mp3
Bob Dog
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| User: "pluther" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 08:25:43 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6929587/
Prosecutors said Kennard claimed his company was developing Christian
resorts around the country. He told preachers that for a fee of a few
thousand dollars, their churches could be "members" of his company.
In return, he promised that in time the churches would get a grant or
a
forgivable loan of up to $500,000.
Are these the same people who give thousands of dollars to people
claiming to be trying to move millions out of Nigeria?
-Pat
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 01:35:34 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:50:11 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) said in alt.atheism:
"It wasn't about ignorance. It was about trust," said the Rev.
James Cane of Victory Worship Center in Birmingham, Ala., one of
several preachers who testified for the government.
It wasn't about trust, it was about greed. Plain old-fashioned
Christian greed.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 09:24:31 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:50:11 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) said in alt.atheism:
"It wasn't about ignorance. It was about trust," said the Rev.
James Cane of Victory Worship Center in Birmingham, Ala., one of
several preachers who testified for the government.
It wasn't about trust, it was about greed. Plain old-fashioned Christian greed.
It's my impression that they call for it because they get of the opinion,
"He's a good Christian. He can't be a crook trying to swindle me."
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| User: "alt" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 02:54:40 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:50:11 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) said in alt.atheism:
"It wasn't about ignorance. It was about trust," said the Rev.
James Cane of Victory Worship Center in Birmingham, Ala., one of
several preachers who testified for the government.
It wasn't about trust, it was about greed. Plain old-fashioned
Christian greed.
Plain old-fashioned greed. Period.
A person can claim to be a Christian all they want, and that doesn't make
them a Christian.
Heck, I can claim to be the Dalai Lama, but that doesn't make it so.
--
Donovan Hill
Linux User, Christian, Canadian, and all-around nice guy!
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 02:27:42 PM |
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In article <k7%Nd.29121$L_3.8122@clgrps13>, alt said...
A person can claim to be a Christian all they want, and that doesn't make
them a Christian.
Two years ago, for my birthday, my wife bought me a beautiful
low-D tin whistle. Why don't you bring your bagpipes to my
house, and we'll play The Duck's Leg together?
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 05:52:12 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:54:40 GMT, alt <spamtrap@lazyeyez.net> said in
alt.atheism:
A person can claim to be a Christian all they want, and that doesn't make
them a Christian.
True. Accepting Jesus as their savior makes them Christian. (Or,
more accurately, Paulist. There are no "Christians" any longer - the
Essene sect is long gone.)
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Sanguinevikings" |
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08 Feb 2005 03:52:53 AM |
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alt wrote:
A person can claim to be a Christian all they want, and that doesn't make
them a Christian.
Och! Aye!
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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08 Feb 2005 01:33:32 PM |
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"Sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:kd2dnQVZHY55FpXfRVnyvA@brightview.com...
alt wrote:
A person can claim to be a Christian all they want, and that doesn't make
them a Christian.
Och! Aye!
Amaaaazing Graaaace...
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dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "D. Eric Winslow" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 01:55:17 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:_9OdnWwt-v4MjpTfRVn-sQ@io.com...
"Sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:kd2dnQVZHY55FpXfRVnyvA@brightview.com...
alt wrote:
A person can claim to be a Christian all they want, and that doesn't
make
them a Christian.
Och! Aye!
Amaaaazing Graaaace...
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "D. Eric Winslow" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 01:57:04 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:_9OdnWwt-v4MjpTfRVn-sQ@io.com...
"Sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:kd2dnQVZHY55FpXfRVnyvA@brightview.com...
alt wrote:
A person can claim to be a Christian all they want, and that doesn't
make
them a Christian.
Och! Aye!
Amaaaazing Graaaace...
Isn't there a verse in the Bible which states something to the effect
that not all who claim to be for Christ are against him. *Depart from
me I know you not*!.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "alt" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 04:39:44 PM |
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D. Eric Winslow wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:_9OdnWwt-v4MjpTfRVn-sQ@io.com...
"Sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:kd2dnQVZHY55FpXfRVnyvA@brightview.com...
alt wrote:
A person can claim to be a Christian all they want, and that doesn't
make
them a Christian.
Och! Aye!
Amaaaazing Graaaace...
Isn't there a verse in the Bible which states something to the effect
that not all who claim to be for Christ are against him. *Depart from
me I know you not*!.
The Parable of "The Sheep and the Goats".
It's about proving your faith with your actions.
--
Donovan Hill
Linux User, Christian, Canadian, and all-around nice guy!
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| User: "SoT" |
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08 Feb 2005 03:57:59 PM |
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D. Eric Winslow wrote:
Isn't there a verse in the Bible which states something to the effect
that not all who claim to be for Christ are against him. *Depart from
me I know you not*!.
There is something in the first book of the New Testament that goes
like this: "Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a
stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto
thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you,
inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it
not to me."
The Egyptians had a prayer that sounds eerily similar to this. It
went like this: "I pray you, declare me right and true in the
presence of the universal God ... ... for I have done his will. I
have given bread unto the hungry and water unto those who thirst,
clothing unto the naked ... ... "
That was just part of an Egyptian prayer that was popular a few
thousand years before the one Jesus was quoted as saying. Unlike
most of the Bible text, the original Egyptian text are quite easy to
find because they carved stuff like that all over those pyramids.
Those words are still there. They were carved in stone. The early
Christians tried to destroy those carvings but gave up because there
were just too many of them. Praise God. ;)
The Pyramid Texts:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/
Quoted part:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ebod/ebod37.htm
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| User: "desert phile@hot mail.com Unbiased Observer" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity strikes again |
08 Feb 2005 03:06:26 PM |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:57:04 -0500, "D. Eric Winslow"
<dewII@att.worldnet.com> wrote:
Isn't there a verse in the Bible which states something to the effect
that not all who claim to be for Christ are against him. *Depart from
me I know you not*!.
Two of the "gospels" state that "He who is not against us is for
us;" one of the "gospels" states "He who is not with us is against
us." Guess which version Fundamentalist Christians accept as the
correct version.
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| User: "desert phile@hot mail.com Unbiased Observer" |
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08 Feb 2005 03:04:16 PM |
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A person can claim to be a Christian all they want, and
that doesn't make them a Christian.
It must be pointed out that a person claiming to be a Christian is
the *ONLY* thing that tells other people that person is a
Christian. In fact, one need only believe oneself is a Christian
and then one *IS* a Christian: there are no other qualifications.
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"I listen to hear the voice of a Governor, Commander-in-Chief of the
forces of Massachusetts. I hear only the creaking of crickets and the
hum of insects which now fill the summer air. The Governor's exploit is
to review the troops on muster days. I have seen him on horseback, with
his hat off, listening to a chaplain's prayer. It chances that is all I
have ever seen of a Governor. I think that I could manage to get along
without one. If he is not of the least use to prevent my being kidnapped,
pray of what important use is he likely to be to me? When freedom is most
endangered, he dwells in the deepest obscurity. A distinguished
clergyman told me that he chose the profession of a clergyman, because
it afforded the most leisure for literary pursuits. I would recommend
to him the profession of a Governor." -- Henry David Thoreau, from
_Slavery_in_Massachusetts_
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