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"bk" |
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26 Sep 2006 03:15:37 AM |
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Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
26 Sep 2006 06:05:54 AM |
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"bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
Don't you fear one bit. After a short (though seemingly 'long') spell,
you'll look back on your 'Jesus period' as just a distasteful period of your
life. You are a 'free-bird' now. You have escaped from your shackles of
religious enslavement. You'll learn appreciate life more. And you will come
to treat your fellow man in a much better way; all the time *knowing* that
it is coming purely out of the goodness in your heart instead of because you
are trying to gain 'points' with an imaginary 'God'.
Sure, you may end up feeling like there's a 'void' in your life for a spell.
But trust me. It will go away. It will be filled by the goodness within you
and the growing realization that all that stuff about 'hell' was an attempt
by the clergy to keep you shackled to the 'faith'. Say 'bye-bye' to that
crap and shake off the religious diarrhea they've tried to force-feed you
off your shoes with utter disgust. And when you're on your deathbed, all you
will need to do is look back on all the absolutely 'good' things you have
done in your life from your 'de-conversion' onwards, smile, be proud of
yourself, and die with dignity.
Greywolf
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
26 Sep 2006 11:49:46 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:12hi2d09aeufma5@corp.supernews.com:
"bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that
our short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist with you even after months of recovery education.
Christianity REDUCES life to nearly nothing, so that you remain
vulnerable to its nasty infection. You are taught to shut out your
senses completely and concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in
the meantime you grow gradually blind and indifferent to everything
around you. I was taught early on that even a death as horrible as
cancer would not be as bad as going to "hell." Similarly, I learned
that human relationships are meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix
anything.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I
just had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming
out'; other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is
really bad and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about
THIS life. It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been
brainwashed something major. When you don't give a damn even about
your own life, all sorts of irrational fears start happening. I think
I may be losing my mind....
</end rant/>
Don't you fear one bit. After a short (though seemingly 'long') spell,
you'll look back on your 'Jesus period' as just a distasteful period
of your life. You are a 'free-bird' now. You have escaped from your
shackles of religious enslavement. You'll learn appreciate life more.
Absolutely! You will begin to notice little joys you would have ignored
before your deconversation. The world around you will become a bit
brighter, the colors a bit more vivid, the sheer pleasure of life will
become greater. Greywolf is right.
And you will come to treat your fellow man in a much better way; all
the time *knowing* that it is coming purely out of the goodness in
your heart instead of because you are trying to gain 'points' with an
imaginary 'God'.
And you will come to realize that the things which happen in your life
are the results either of your own choices (and you must take the
responsibility for those choices...good or bad) or of natural (as in
nature) events which are indifferent to humanity.
Sure, you may end up feeling like there's a 'void' in your life for a
spell. But trust me. It will go away. It will be filled by the
goodness within you and the growing realization that all that stuff
about 'hell' was an attempt by the clergy to keep you shackled to the
'faith'. Say 'bye-bye' to that crap and shake off the religious
diarrhea they've tried to force-feed you off your shoes with utter
disgust. And when you're on your deathbed, all you will need to do is
look back on all the absolutely 'good' things you have done in your
life from your 'de-conversion' onwards, smile, be proud of yourself,
and die with dignity.
Pangur
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
26 Sep 2006 11:10:33 PM |
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"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Xns984A6F6A470D8PangurBan.worldnetat@63.218.45.20...
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:12hi2d09aeufma5@corp.supernews.com:
"bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that
our short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist with you even after months of recovery education.
Christianity REDUCES life to nearly nothing, so that you remain
vulnerable to its nasty infection. You are taught to shut out your
senses completely and concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in
the meantime you grow gradually blind and indifferent to everything
around you. I was taught early on that even a death as horrible as
cancer would not be as bad as going to "hell." Similarly, I learned
that human relationships are meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix
anything.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I
just had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming
out'; other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is
really bad and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about
THIS life. It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been
brainwashed something major. When you don't give a damn even about
your own life, all sorts of irrational fears start happening. I think
I may be losing my mind....
</end rant/>
Don't you fear one bit. After a short (though seemingly 'long') spell,
you'll look back on your 'Jesus period' as just a distasteful period
of your life. You are a 'free-bird' now. You have escaped from your
shackles of religious enslavement. You'll learn appreciate life more.
Absolutely! You will begin to notice little joys you would have ignored
before your deconversation. The world around you will become a bit
brighter, the colors a bit more vivid, the sheer pleasure of life will
become greater. Greywolf is right.
And you will come to treat your fellow man in a much better way; all
the time *knowing* that it is coming purely out of the goodness in
your heart instead of because you are trying to gain 'points' with an
imaginary 'God'.
And you will come to realize that the things which happen in your life
are the results either of your own choices (and you must take the
responsibility for those choices...good or bad) or of natural (as in
nature) events which are indifferent to humanity.
Right on target. You can create your own 'Hell' on this earth by making
'bad' choices too. But it all comes down to the individual making the
'right' choices in their lives. And some imaginary 'God' could care less
what choice that may turn out to be, or what path one decides to go down. He
can't. He's entirely make-believe.
Sure, you may end up feeling like there's a 'void' in your life for a
spell. But trust me. It will go away. It will be filled by the
goodness within you and the growing realization that all that stuff
about 'hell' was an attempt by the clergy to keep you shackled to the
'faith'. Say 'bye-bye' to that crap and shake off the religious
diarrhea they've tried to force-feed you off your shoes with utter
disgust. And when you're on your deathbed, all you will need to do is
look back on all the absolutely 'good' things you have done in your
life from your 'de-conversion' onwards, smile, be proud of yourself,
and die with dignity.
Pangur
Tell me that a 'good' atheist is worse than a 'bad' Christian.
Greywolf
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| User: "Sphere" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
26 Sep 2006 10:10:02 PM |
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Pangur Ban wrote:
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:12hi2d09aeufma5@corp.supernews.com:
"bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that
our short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist with you even after months of recovery education.
Christianity REDUCES life to nearly nothing, so that you remain
vulnerable to its nasty infection. You are taught to shut out your
senses completely and concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in
the meantime you grow gradually blind and indifferent to everything
around you. I was taught early on that even a death as horrible as
cancer would not be as bad as going to "hell." Similarly, I learned
that human relationships are meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix
anything.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I
just had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming
out'; other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is
really bad and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about
THIS life. It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been
brainwashed something major. When you don't give a damn even about
your own life, all sorts of irrational fears start happening. I think
I may be losing my mind....
</end rant/>
Don't you fear one bit. After a short (though seemingly 'long') spell,
you'll look back on your 'Jesus period' as just a distasteful period
of your life. You are a 'free-bird' now. You have escaped from your
shackles of religious enslavement. You'll learn appreciate life more.
Absolutely! You will begin to notice little joys you would have ignored
before your deconversation. The world around you will become a bit
brighter, the colors a bit more vivid, the sheer pleasure of life will
become greater. Greywolf is right.
And you will come to treat your fellow man in a much better way; all
the time *knowing* that it is coming purely out of the goodness in
your heart instead of because you are trying to gain 'points' with an
imaginary 'God'.
And you will come to realize that the things which happen in your life
are the results either of your own choices (and you must take the
responsibility for those choices...good or bad) or of natural (as in
nature) events which are indifferent to humanity.
Sure, you may end up feeling like there's a 'void' in your life for a
spell. But trust me. It will go away. It will be filled by the
goodness within you and the growing realization that all that stuff
about 'hell' was an attempt by the clergy to keep you shackled to the
'faith'. Say 'bye-bye' to that crap and shake off the religious
diarrhea they've tried to force-feed you off your shoes with utter
disgust. And when you're on your deathbed, all you will need to do is
look back on all the absolutely 'good' things you have done in your
life from your 'de-conversion' onwards, smile, be proud of yourself,
and die with dignity.
Pangur
Geeze. Yous guys are making me almost wish I had a religious
upbringing, or a Jesus experience, or such.
I hate the One God idea simply because it kills people. I can't
relate personally.
---
No essence. No permanence. No perfection.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
01 Oct 2006 11:19:35 AM |
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On 26 Sep 2006 20:10:02 -0700, "Sphere" <sphere1952@gmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
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Geeze. Yous guys are making me almost wish I had a religious
upbringing, or a Jesus experience, or such.
Hell no! I wouldn't wish what BK's going through on *anyone.*
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Oct 2006 11:16:50 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 06:05:54 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
Don't you fear one bit. After a short (though seemingly 'long') spell,
you'll look back on your 'Jesus period' as just a distasteful period of your
life. You are a 'free-bird' now.
No. He's discovered his imprisonment and has started 'picking the lock'
of the first of many 'shackles.'
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "bk" |
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04 Oct 2006 04:11:58 PM |
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Anyone know of any websites of visions/mystical experiences of people
of other faiths (eg: Hinduism, Buddhism)? Did find one Hindu site, but
almost everywhere else the 'Jesus' word is in it. Needless to say,
this is very frustrating as far as counter-xian apologetics go. Do
people have visions other than of the Virgin Mary? grrrr
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
26 Sep 2006 06:01:59 PM |
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On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people (until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
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| User: "bk" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
26 Sep 2006 09:51:03 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people (until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
bk
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
27 Sep 2006 02:11:07 AM |
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On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people (until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
27 Sep 2006 09:21:46 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bo8kh29dihdi0mj9bdir6rkl8octotnim4@4ax.com...
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people (until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start going back to
the bars :)
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After giving up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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01 Oct 2006 11:24:32 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:46 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bo8kh29dihdi0mj9bdir6rkl8octotnim4@4ax.com...
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[]
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people (until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start going back to
the bars :)
Mr. Gray lives in Oz.
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After giving up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
It also gets you away from their superstitious idiocy.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
01 Oct 2006 01:03:25 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:46 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bo8kh29dihdi0mj9bdir6rkl8octotnim4@4ax.com...
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people (until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start going back to
the bars :)
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After giving up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
<bursts into tears and runs away>
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
02 Oct 2006 01:09:07 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NpTTg.7788$vJ2.1058@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:46 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bo8kh29dihdi0mj9bdir6rkl8octotnim4@4ax.com...
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that
our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity
REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was
taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad
as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I
just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really
bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed
something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people (until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start going back
to
the bars :)
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After giving up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
<bursts into tears and runs away>
Now, now. It's not like I can smell the smoke you're blowing into the
telephone :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
02 Oct 2006 08:20:27 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:09:07 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NpTTg.7788$vJ2.1058@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:46 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bo8kh29dihdi0mj9bdir6rkl8octotnim4@4ax.com...
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that
our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity
REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was
taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad
as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I
just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really
bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed
something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people (until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start going back
to
the bars :)
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After giving up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
<bursts into tears and runs away>
Now, now. It's not like I can smell the smoke you're blowing into the
telephone :)
Um... are you claiming I've been blowing in your ear?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
03 Oct 2006 03:31:48 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:vViUg.10782$6S3.10187@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:09:07 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NpTTg.7788$vJ2.1058@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:46 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bo8kh29dihdi0mj9bdir6rkl8octotnim4@4ax.com...
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that
our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity
REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you
grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was
taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as
bad
as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's
how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I
just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming
out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really
bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS
life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed
something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all
sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the
old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people
(until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start going
back
to
the bars :)
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After giving
up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
<bursts into tears and runs away>
Now, now. It's not like I can smell the smoke you're blowing into the
telephone :)
Um... are you claiming I've been blowing in your ear?
Um.............<blink, blink>..............WHAT?!?!?!?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
03 Oct 2006 04:35:06 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:31:48 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:vViUg.10782$6S3.10187@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:09:07 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NpTTg.7788$vJ2.1058@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:46 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bo8kh29dihdi0mj9bdir6rkl8octotnim4@4ax.com...
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that
our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity
REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you
grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was
taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as
bad
as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's
how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I
just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming
out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really
bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS
life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed
something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all
sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the
old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people
(until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start going
back
to
the bars :)
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After giving
up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
<bursts into tears and runs away>
Now, now. It's not like I can smell the smoke you're blowing into the
telephone :)
Um... are you claiming I've been blowing in your ear?
Um.............<blink, blink>..............WHAT?!?!?!?
Well, yeah...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity teaches you to value life little (rant) |
04 Oct 2006 09:28:21 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:eIAUg.1388$NE6.838@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:31:48 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:vViUg.10782$6S3.10187@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:09:07 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NpTTg.7788$vJ2.1058@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:46 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bo8kh29dihdi0mj9bdir6rkl8octotnim4@4ax.com...
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you
that
our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity
REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its
nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you
grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was
taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as
bad
as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships
are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through
the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's
how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and
meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox"
to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.)
I
just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming
out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is
really
bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS
life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed
something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all
sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the
old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people
(until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source
of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start going
back
to
the bars :)
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After giving
up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people
that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
<bursts into tears and runs away>
Now, now. It's not like I can smell the smoke you're blowing into the
telephone :)
Um... are you claiming I've been blowing in your ear?
Um.............<blink, blink>..............WHAT?!?!?!?
Well, yeah...
I didn't think you could do that that way. Hmmmm...............<puzzled
expression>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:28:21 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:31:48 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:09:07 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:46 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you
that
our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity
REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its
nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you
grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was
taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as
bad
as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships
are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through
the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's
how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and
meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox"
to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.)
I
just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming
out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is
really
bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS
life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed
something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all
sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the
old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people
(until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source
of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start going
back
to
the bars :)
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After giving
up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people
that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
<bursts into tears and runs away>
Now, now. It's not like I can smell the smoke you're blowing into the
telephone :)
Um... are you claiming I've been blowing in your ear?
Um.............<blink, blink>..............WHAT?!?!?!?
Well, yeah...
I didn't think you could do that that way. Hmmmm...............<puzzled
expression>
Technology. Amazing stuff huh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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04 Oct 2006 02:57:45 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:28:21 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:eIAUg.1388$NE6.838@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:31:48 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:vViUg.10782$6S3.10187@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:09:07 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NpTTg.7788$vJ2.1058@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:46 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:bo8kh29dihdi0mj9bdir6rkl8octotnim4@4ax.com...
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer:
<1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you
that
our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a
meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will
persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity
REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its
nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely
and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you
grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I
was
taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be
as
bad
as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships
are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through
the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell
fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn.
(that's
how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking
you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and
meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox"
to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at
all.)
I
just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming
out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel
totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is
really
bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS
life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed
something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all
sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all
the
old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people
(until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source
of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
And now, smoking is getting banned everywhere so you can start
going
back
to
the bars :)
That's precisely why I've been avoiding my sis-in-laws. After
giving
up
both tobacco and alcohol, do I really want to hang out with people
that
drink and smoke to excess? Not really :P
<bursts into tears and runs away>
Now, now. It's not like I can smell the smoke you're blowing into
the
telephone :)
Um... are you claiming I've been blowing in your ear?
Um.............<blink, blink>..............WHAT?!?!?!?
Well, yeah...
I didn't think you could do that that way. Hmmmm...............<puzzled
expression>
Technology. Amazing stuff huh?
But, but, where's the romance! <sigh>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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27 Sep 2006 07:52:54 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 19:51:03 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159325462.519525.71940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
A very good and succinct summary (from one who has gone through the
disease, no less)
Do you mind if I use it elsewhere?
Sure.
Does that mean that you *do* mind if I use your words?
(I don't wish to step on your toes here by reason of a potential
double-negative misunderstanding.)
No, not at all, meaning I don't mind if you use them. Feel free.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
The best thing that one can do is to cut yourself off from all the old
sources of re-infection, and only hang out with "clean" people (until
you shake it of for good), if that is at all possible.
I'm going to try. Especially since "unclean" people are the source of
temptation.
It is much the same for trying to "kick" smoking tobacco, as I can
attest!
I avoided smoke-filled bars for an unheard of period.
bk
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26 Sep 2006 05:15:53 AM |
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On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com> in
news message <1159258537.000900.179380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
wrote:
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams.... i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major. When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
You aren't crazy. As you've already realized, religion protects
itself by instilling fears and it controls the flock by nurturing the
fears it has instilled.
My only advice is to live your life as you see fit, and, as much as
possible, ignore the fears that others would have constrain your
freedom of thought. They will ease in time.
Liz #658 BAAWA
There is no way, even in principle, to distinguish one
supernatural explanation from another. -- "Hiero5ant"
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01 Oct 2006 10:58:47 AM |
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On 26 Sep 2006 01:15:37 -0700, "bk" <backandforthhope@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
Christianity is a terrible virus.. a virus that will teach you that our
short stay on earth is but an insipid waystation.. a meaningless
interlude. If you have even the slightest fear of hell, it will persist
with you even after months of recovery education. Christianity REDUCES
life to nearly nothing, so that you remain vulnerable to its nasty
infection. You are taught to shut out your senses completely and
concentrate on only one thing, salvation... in the meantime you grow
gradually blind and indifferent to everything around you. I was taught
early on that even a death as horrible as cancer would not be as bad as
going to "hell." Similarly, I learned that human relationships are
meaningless.... "JESUS" can fix anything.
That's what they tell you. What they don't tell you is 'Jesus' put you
in those situations in the first place and scripted the resulting
fallout.
9/26/06, 1 1/2 mos .post deconversion, still the damn hell fears
persistent, more a shadowy doubt thing.. "what if?" damn. (that's how
it teases the mind i think... it screws you into thinking you're
waiting for the million dollar jackpot, the afterlife and meanwhile
your value of the earthly world goes zilch. It is major "detox" to
start thinking that anything is important on this earth at all.) I just
had some major fallout with a few xian 'friends' after 'coming out';
other areas of my life have come apart at the seams....
It's a right royal mind ***** that's been built and reinforced generally
since birth. And you're right that it's a major detox, but, imo, its
more along the lines of virus programming removal.
It's not easy, and it is a slow process. However, in time the pace does
pick up and the bits to remove seem to 'pop up' on their own under the
most absurd 'triggers.' Run them back to their core and obliterate
them.
If their superstition is [pretty common] more important than you are
then they were never friends in the first place.
i feel totally
disconnected. It is as if i just don't care. I know this is really bad
and i gotta get back on track. I gotta start caring about THIS life.
The disconnect feeling's a defensive one. The task ahead is seemingly
overwhelming and the feeling, imo, helps to keep you sane while you're
eliminating the virus. You still care about life below the defense
mechanism.
Right now, I suspect you're at the point of not knowing what you can
trust. Via introspection it is possible to 'sort through threads' and
'build' a solid foundation by ejecting the waste. A visual analogy
could be physically detecting and clearing a mine field. The
difference, of course, is you won't die from a mistake. Those have a
tendency to, imo, be the wierd and wacky things that pop up and are
swiftly terminated.
It's gonna be hard, damn hard i know... i've been brainwashed something
major.
It very well may be the most difficult thing you'll ever do. After
this, everything else will seem like child's play in comparison.
When you don't give a damn even about your own life, all sorts
of irrational fears start happening. I think I may be losing my
mind....
</end rant/>
Nope, you're regaining your mind. The wackyness is the mind virus
throwing up 'broad spectrum ECM' {electronic counter measures}.
Now take the ***** apart. :)
Perhaps these observations from a young lady will be of assistance;
What do I dislike about theism?...Let me count the ways...
I dislike the hypocrisy,
the corruption,
the greed
and the lies.
I dislike the veneration of ignorance,
the glorification of idiocy,
the wild-eyed hatred of progress
and the fear of education, which send the faithful shrieking,
vampire-like, from the light of knowledge.
I dislike the way in which prejudice
is passed off as piety.
The way superstition is peddled as wisdom.
The way intolerance is raised to the lofty heights
of "Truth".
I dislike how hatred is taught as love,
how fear is instilled as kindness,
how slavery is pressed as freedom,
and how contempt for life is dressed up and adored as spirituality.
I dislike the shackles religions place on the mind,
corrupting, twisting and crushing the spirit
until the believer has been brought down to a suitable state
of worthlessness.
So lost and self-loathing, so bereft of hope or pride,
that they can look into the hallucinated face of their imaginary
oppressor
and feel unbounded love and gratitude for the additional suffering
it has declined,
as yet,
to visit upon them.
I dislike people's need for a communal delusion,
like drug addicts who unite just to share the same needle.
I dislike the way reason is reviled as a vice
and reality is decreed to be a matter of convenience.
The way common sense and ordinary human decency
get re-named "holy law" and advertised as the sole province
of the faithful.
I dislike religions' wholesale theft of any number
of ancient mythologies,
only to turn around and proclaim
how "unique" their doctrine is.
I dislike how intelligence is held as suspect
and inquiry is reviled as a high crime.
I dislike the pillaging of the impoverished,
the extortion of the gullible,
the manipulation of the ignorant
and the domination of the weak.
I dislike the invention of sins
for the satisfaction of those who desire to punish.
I dislike the demonization of unbelievers,
The ill-concealed hate of proselytizers,
The hysterical rants of holy rollers,
The wigged-out warnings of psychic healers,
The dismantling of public education via religious school vouchers,
The erosion of civil rights by theocratic right-wingers,
The righteous wrath of gun-toting true believers,
The destruction wrought by holy warriors,
The blood-drenched fatwas of ayatollas,
and the apocalyptic prophesies of unmedicated messiahs.
Most of all, though, I dislike the certain knowledge
that religion,
in one grotesque form or other,
will be with us so long as there is a single dark, cobwebbed corner
of the human imagination
that a believer can stuff a god into.
Alikhat
#757
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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