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User: "Truth Hunter"
Date: 19 Feb 2006 11:34:24 PM
Object: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?
Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?
After looking at countless debates between Christians and Muslims I
notice something rather amusing. I find Christians will commonly tell
the Muslims they do not believe in "The Real God" or "The Same God."
Somehow some Christians get into this mindset that the two religions
believe in two entirely different Gods.
Here is my question:
Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Considering the Jewish concept of God is extremely (If not exactly)
close to the Muslim concept of God, why is it I never see Christians
telling Jews their God isn't real?
Does it have something to do with the choice of religious Scriptures?
It must. Muslims having an entirely different Scripture, I guess, makes
it easier for Christians to condemn their belief in God. Although the
conclusion seems erroneous.
Christians would have to assume that the Scripture Muslims have came
from ANOTHER GOD and that it is perfectly unaltered since transmittion.
Why? Because whenever I see a bewildered Muslim ask "How can you say we
believe in two different Gods?" the Christian will very quickly show a
verse in the Koran that disagrees with the Bible. This is tactic number
one, and the most commonly used tactic. But yet Christians only believe
in One God. So it makes no sense to be calling the Muslim God a "Fake
God" using this tactic. Christians could simply be more direct and say
"I believe your Scripture is wrong and that is not inspired by God."
The other method that is far less commonly used, and usually more
offensive, is the tactic of using artifacts to claim the Muslim God is
the Moon God "Allah." There are serious problems with this view as
well. Christians are first of all making the assumption the religion
has origins with the "Moon God Allah." This assumption is actually the
least of the problems. Christians are then assuming the Muslim concept
of God has remained unchanged from the origin since the start. This is
simply bad logic. Take a look at any number of cultural practices and
you will notice they evolve over time. So it is dishonest to assume the
Muslim concept of God has remained unchanged throughout the years. Just
look at the Jewish concept of God. The Christians evolved it into a
Trinity Godhood, something the Jewish concept of God is entirely
incompatible with.
So asking again:
Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Do Jews also believe in a "Fake God?"
Looking in at these three faiths as an outsider, it appears to me that
the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God are far more compatible than the
Christian concept of God. However, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
are more compatible than the Muslim Scriptures with the other two. So
where is the conclusion of a "Different and Fake" God being drawn? No
where? Scriptures? Please do tell if you believe Muslims have a "Fake
God" whereas Jews do not.
Jews believe God to be a 'spirit,' i.e. non-corporeal.
Jews believe God to be one entity only. Not in the Christian sense.
Think Muslims with Allah.
Jews view worship of man as idolatry. Jews reject Christianity as such.
Jews view Trinitarianism as polytheism.
If the Christian god is indeed Christ, and indeed the Trinity, Jews
aren't worshipping that god.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
wrath! (Author unknown)=20
One God, father-son-ghost?
.

User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 21 Feb 2006 11:53:52 PM

Reply to article by: "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com>
Date written: 19 Feb 2006 21:34:24 -0800
MsgID:<1140413664.138589.228680@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?
Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Do Jews also believe in a "Fake God?"
Looking in at these three faiths as an outsider, it appears to me that
the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God are far more compatible than the
Christian concept of God. However, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
are more compatible than the Muslim Scriptures with the other two. So
where is the conclusion of a "Different and Fake" God being drawn? No
where? Scriptures? Please do tell if you believe Muslims have a "Fake
God" whereas Jews do not.
Jews believe God to be a 'spirit,' i.e. non-corporeal.
Jews believe God to be one entity only. Not in the Christian sense.
Think Muslims with Allah.
Jews view worship of man as idolatry. Jews reject Christianity as such.
Jews view Trinitarianism as polytheism.
If the Christian god is indeed Christ, and indeed the Trinity, Jews
aren't worshipping that god.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org

So you are a jew, is that it? You are asking the wrong questions here then.
A few weeks before 911, the Palestinians put out a news broadcast that showed
the end results of a US-made bomb dropped by a US-made plane flown by an Israeli
pilot. The target? A Palestinian elementary school. Luckily, the bomb was made
with typical American quality and was a dud, but it was the thought that counts.
Why wasn't this an Israeli-made bomb dropped by an Israeli-made plane? Because
the predominately Christian nation of America, has funded and supported every
war Israel has ever been in. The US was a huge factor in helping Israel become a
nation. The USA provides weapons, vehicles, intelligence, training, and money
for Israel, but nothing for any of the nations surrounding Israel. This policy
of taking sides in war by supporting one side in every way possible, all the
while denying taking sides in any war, telling the world that the US is the
"peacekeepers" of the world, is morally reprehensible. That makes the USA
cowards because they are taking part in a war without declaring they are taking
part in a war -- the same exact judgement that Bush gave in regards to Osama's
organization after 911.
The irony is that the middle-east conflict that the Christian religion
prophecizes is being fueled mainly by the actions of religious Americans. The
predominantly Christian nation of the USA believes so blindly in their religion,
that they will do anything to assist its self-fulfillment, without regard to
morality or decency. They believe that Israel was supposed to become a nation
again in the "last days", as fulfillment of a prophecy, so they had to support
the war to make Israel a nation no matter what what the moral/financial cost.
They believe that the Christian God will bless them and protect them if they
support Israel as a favored nation. They can indirectly be responsible for
thousands of innocenct civilian deaths and any of the many terrorist acts
conducted by Israel, but it means nothing to their seared consciences of those
Christians. But of course, Israel doesn't conduct any terrorist acts, they are
simply "acts of aggression", and, of course, Israel doesn't kill innocent
civilians on purpose, they are simply "collateral damage". It's okay for Israel
to have mass weapons of destruction but any nation within 3000 miles of Israel
is condemned and boycotted and attacked if they even mention the term "A-bomb".
The thing is this: the Jews do not have the moral backbone to denounce this
religious-fueled atrocity because it suits their own self-serving religious
agenda as a nation favored by their God. The Jews will never say, "Don't support
the Jews because what you are doing is superstitious nonsense and very immoral".
If the Jewish God is so great, why does He need the help of an immoral gentile
nation to help His people win back their "Holy Land"? Why can't the Jewish God,
the supposed God of the Universe, miraculously bring the Jews back to their
land, peacefully? Is it because the Jewish God is an immoral war-mongerer at
heart, just like the USA?
The Sage
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minds in the commonplace"
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User: "#MMM#"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 02:19:49 AM
Each man sees and believes what he want to see and believe. To find out
about the Abrahamic Faiths, you have to study the scripts of the Holy
Books of each of the seperate faiths, and then you decide. Then you may
or may not see the answer! No argument on earth will convert a member
of one faith to the other or to convince the other. Each to his own!
Truth Hunter wrote:

Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?


After looking at countless debates between Christians and Muslims I
notice something rather amusing. I find Christians will commonly tell
the Muslims they do not believe in "The Real God" or "The Same God."
Somehow some Christians get into this mindset that the two religions
believe in two entirely different Gods.


Here is my question:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?

Considering the Jewish concept of God is extremely (If not exactly)
close to the Muslim concept of God, why is it I never see Christians
telling Jews their God isn't real?

Does it have something to do with the choice of religious Scriptures?
It must. Muslims having an entirely different Scripture, I guess, makes
it easier for Christians to condemn their belief in God. Although the
conclusion seems erroneous.

Christians would have to assume that the Scripture Muslims have came
from ANOTHER GOD and that it is perfectly unaltered since transmittion.
Why? Because whenever I see a bewildered Muslim ask "How can you say we
believe in two different Gods?" the Christian will very quickly show a
verse in the Koran that disagrees with the Bible. This is tactic number
one, and the most commonly used tactic. But yet Christians only believe
in One God. So it makes no sense to be calling the Muslim God a "Fake
God" using this tactic. Christians could simply be more direct and say
"I believe your Scripture is wrong and that is not inspired by God."

The other method that is far less commonly used, and usually more
offensive, is the tactic of using artifacts to claim the Muslim God is
the Moon God "Allah." There are serious problems with this view as
well. Christians are first of all making the assumption the religion
has origins with the "Moon God Allah." This assumption is actually the
least of the problems. Christians are then assuming the Muslim concept
of God has remained unchanged from the origin since the start. This is
simply bad logic. Take a look at any number of cultural practices and
you will notice they evolve over time. So it is dishonest to assume the
Muslim concept of God has remained unchanged throughout the years. Just
look at the Jewish concept of God. The Christians evolved it into a
Trinity Godhood, something the Jewish concept of God is entirely
incompatible with.


So asking again:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Do Jews also believe in a "Fake God?"

Looking in at these three faiths as an outsider, it appears to me that
the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God are far more compatible than the
Christian concept of God. However, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
are more compatible than the Muslim Scriptures with the other two. So
where is the conclusion of a "Different and Fake" God being drawn? No
where? Scriptures? Please do tell if you believe Muslims have a "Fake
God" whereas Jews do not.


Jews believe God to be a 'spirit,' i.e. non-corporeal.
Jews believe God to be one entity only. Not in the Christian sense.
Think Muslims with Allah.

Jews view worship of man as idolatry. Jews reject Christianity as such.
Jews view Trinitarianism as polytheism.


If the Christian god is indeed Christ, and indeed the Trinity, Jews
aren't worshipping that god.









http://www.jewsforjudaism.org


Bumper Sticker


DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
=20
wrath! (Author unknown)=20
=20
=20
One God, father-son-ghost?

.

User: "Mike I"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 10:02:26 AM
On 19 Feb 2006 21:34:24 -0800, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?


After looking at countless debates between Christians and Muslims I
notice something rather amusing. I find Christians will commonly tell
the Muslims they do not believe in "The Real God" or "The Same God."
Somehow some Christians get into this mindset that the two religions
believe in two entirely different Gods.


Here is my question:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?

I don't know that Muslims are doomed, they could be. God hasn't broken
his convent with the Jewish people, therefore they are not doomed.

Considering the Jewish concept of God is extremely (If not exactly)
close to the Muslim concept of God, why is it I never see Christians
telling Jews their God isn't real?

I think if you understood the difference between the faiths you
wouldn't make this assumption.

Does it have something to do with the choice of religious Scriptures?
It must. Muslims having an entirely different Scripture, I guess, makes
it easier for Christians to condemn their belief in God. Although the
conclusion seems erroneous.

There is a difference. Muslims see their text as divine written Word.
Christian know Jesus is the Word incarnate.

Christians would have to assume that the Scripture Muslims have came
from ANOTHER GOD and that it is perfectly unaltered since transmittion.
Why? Because whenever I see a bewildered Muslim ask "How can you say we
believe in two different Gods?" the Christian will very quickly show a
verse in the Koran that disagrees with the Bible. This is tactic number
one, and the most commonly used tactic. But yet Christians only believe
in One God. So it makes no sense to be calling the Muslim God a "Fake
God" using this tactic. Christians could simply be more direct and say
"I believe your Scripture is wrong and that is not inspired by God."

What is the passage that you refer to, I have a copy of the Qur'an and
would like to see it for myself. I will say however Muslims have gone
to great lengths to tie themselves to the God of Abraham. The Muslim
faith is that of slave-master rather than son and daughters of God.
One receives nothing the latter is His heirs and receive all. There
are many difference. I question the Muslim view of God in part because
one of the five pillars states "There is one God and his name is
Allah..".
"The transliterated phrase from Arabic reads, “La ilaha illAllah.” A
word for word translation into English would read: La [no] ilaha
[god] ill [except or but] Allah [Allah]. The important thing to note
is that the word “Allah” is a name and is not the word for god. If
“Allah” were the word for god, then the phrase would read, “there is
no allah but allah. Clearly it does not. The Qur’an itself claims
that Allah is the personal name of the Islamic god: (017.110) “Say,
Call Him Allah or call Him Ar-Rahman; whatever the name you call Him,
all His names are beautiful.” If “Allah” were the word for god, then
Islam’s god is nameless. There is also no evidence that the word
“Allah” is a contraction of the words “al ilah,” which means, “the
god.” If it were, then again, the phrase would read, “there is no
allah but allah.” As part of the first “Pillar of Islam,” this issue
is critical as Islam claims that the God of the Bible (whose name is
Yahweh) and Allah are one in the same and that we all, therefore,
worship the same god... Crag Winn's book "Profit of Doom"

The other method that is far less commonly used, and usually more
offensive, is the tactic of using artifacts to claim the Muslim God is
the Moon God "Allah." There are serious problems with this view as
well. Christians are first of all making the assumption the religion
has origins with the "Moon God Allah." This assumption is actually the
least of the problems. Christians are then assuming the Muslim concept
of God has remained unchanged from the origin since the start. This is
simply bad logic. Take a look at any number of cultural practices and
you will notice they evolve over time. So it is dishonest to assume the
Muslim concept of God has remained unchanged throughout the years. Just
look at the Jewish concept of God. The Christians evolved it into a
Trinity Godhood, something the Jewish concept of God is entirely
incompatible with.

You are making allot of assumptions here.

So asking again:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Do Jews also believe in a "Fake God?"

Looking in at these three faiths as an outsider, it appears to me that
the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God are far more compatible than the
Christian concept of God. However, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
are more compatible than the Muslim Scriptures with the other two. So
where is the conclusion of a "Different and Fake" God being drawn? No
where? Scriptures? Please do tell if you believe Muslims have a "Fake
God" whereas Jews do not.

I suggest you read up more on Muslim and Judeo-Christian faith
traditions. You will find your view is very superficial.
--
Mike
Common sense is not universal nor is it common...
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
.
User: "Hallerts"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 24 Mar 2006 08:09:08 PM
what i find funny, is all religions are talking about the same god..
you'll notice 'god' is seen differently in different parts of the earth,
and 'god' tends to 'resemble' the characteristics of this part of the
earth. proving 'god' is an 'earthly' creation, and a human creation...
god, buddah, allah...
they are all the same 'god'
just interperted differently.
any religion stating the other religion is wrong is a closed minded, very
'humanised' religion.. not worthy of toilet water...
obviously all religion applies....
take care. and may your closed minds open, and may you wake up
eventually :D
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 24 Mar 2006 10:58:34 PM
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:09:08 GMT, Hallerts <rocker@dub.n3t> wrote:
- Refer: <Xns9790D72B1D4E1JahRatafari@208.49.80.60>

what i find funny, is all religions are talking about the same god..

you'll notice 'god' is seen differently in different parts of the earth,
and 'god' tends to 'resemble' the characteristics of this part of the
earth. proving 'god' is an 'earthly' creation, and a human creation...

god, buddah, allah...


they are all the same 'god'


just interperted differently.




any religion stating the other religion is wrong is a closed minded, very
'humanised' religion.. not worthy of toilet water...



obviously all religion applies....



take care. and may your closed minds open, and may you wake up
eventually :D

Quite plainly you have not been raised from your mental torpor.
They cannot be talking about the same "god", as no gods exist.
--
.



User: "Josie"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 04:37:02 AM
On 19 Feb 2006 21:34:24 -0800, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?


After looking at countless debates between Christians and Muslims I
notice something rather amusing. I find Christians will commonly tell
the Muslims they do not believe in "The Real God" or "The Same God."
Somehow some Christians get into this mindset that the two religions
believe in two entirely different Gods.


Here is my question:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?

Considering the Jewish concept of God is extremely (If not exactly)
close to the Muslim concept of God, why is it I never see Christians
telling Jews their God isn't real?

Does it have something to do with the choice of religious Scriptures?
It must. Muslims having an entirely different Scripture, I guess, makes
it easier for Christians to condemn their belief in God. Although the
conclusion seems erroneous.

Christians would have to assume that the Scripture Muslims have came
from ANOTHER GOD and that it is perfectly unaltered since transmittion.
Why? Because whenever I see a bewildered Muslim ask "How can you say we
believe in two different Gods?" the Christian will very quickly show a
verse in the Koran that disagrees with the Bible. This is tactic number
one, and the most commonly used tactic. But yet Christians only believe
in One God. So it makes no sense to be calling the Muslim God a "Fake
God" using this tactic. Christians could simply be more direct and say
"I believe your Scripture is wrong and that is not inspired by God."

The other method that is far less commonly used, and usually more
offensive, is the tactic of using artifacts to claim the Muslim God is
the Moon God "Allah." There are serious problems with this view as
well. Christians are first of all making the assumption the religion
has origins with the "Moon God Allah." This assumption is actually the
least of the problems. Christians are then assuming the Muslim concept
of God has remained unchanged from the origin since the start. This is
simply bad logic. Take a look at any number of cultural practices and
you will notice they evolve over time. So it is dishonest to assume the
Muslim concept of God has remained unchanged throughout the years. Just
look at the Jewish concept of God. The Christians evolved it into a
Trinity Godhood, something the Jewish concept of God is entirely
incompatible with.


So asking again:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Do Jews also believe in a "Fake God?"

Looking in at these three faiths as an outsider, it appears to me that
the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God are far more compatible than the
Christian concept of God. However, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
are more compatible than the Muslim Scriptures with the other two. So
where is the conclusion of a "Different and Fake" God being drawn? No
where? Scriptures? Please do tell if you believe Muslims have a "Fake
God" whereas Jews do not.


Jews believe God to be a 'spirit,' i.e. non-corporeal.
Jews believe God to be one entity only. Not in the Christian sense.
Think Muslims with Allah.

Jews view worship of man as idolatry. Jews reject Christianity as such.
Jews view Trinitarianism as polytheism.


If the Christian god is indeed Christ, and indeed the Trinity, Jews
aren't worshipping that god.









http://www.jewsforjudaism.org


Bumper Sticker


DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro­m his own

wrath! (Author unknown)


One God, father-son-ghost?

There is no God!.. No great Poobla in the sky When are you assholes
going to realize that? God only exists in your mind...When you are
dead you are dead...no pearly gates ..no 42 virgins ..nothing..you
just go back to what you were before you were born.....nothingness
Josie
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 05:54:45 AM
Josie, I agree with you 100%. Truth Hunter can spew his bigotry as he
likes when he dies he will be ahpy tofind no hell or heaven.
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 06:00:08 AM
On 20 Feb 2006 03:54:45 -0800,
wrote:

Josie, I agree with you 100%. Truth Hunter can spew his bigotry as he
likes when he dies he will be ahpy tofind no hell or heaven.

Don't be so fucking stupid.
.



User: "Eric Brze"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 01:33:03 AM
On 19 Feb 2006 21:34:24 -0800, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

So asking again:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Do Jews also believe in a "Fake God?"

Yes. Both the moon devil and the evil lord are fakes. Only Christ is
the good Lord.


Looking in at these three faiths as an outsider, it appears to me that
the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God are far more compatible than the
Christian concept of God. However, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
are more compatible than the Muslim Scriptures with the other two. So
where is the conclusion of a "Different and Fake" God being drawn? No
where? Scriptures? Please do tell if you believe Muslims have a "Fake
God" whereas Jews do not.

The way to distinguish them is to see their works. A good Lord will
never do evil. An evil lord is incapable to do good.



Jews believe God to be a 'spirit,' i.e. non-corporeal.

The devil as an evil spirit is not corporeal either.

Jews believe God to be one entity only. Not in the Christian sense.

The Christian faith says God is one and also omnipresent. To the Jews,
however, wherever their evil lord is present, everybody dies.

Think Muslims with Allah.

Jews view worship of man as idolatry. Jews reject Christianity as such.

Both Jews and Muslims forbid the image of man for fear of idolatry,
but they worship their non-image just like an idol. The cartoon
incident is the best reflection of their idol worship. The difference
between them and the idol worshippers is that they worship a faceless
idol.

Jews view Trinitarianism as polytheism.

That's because they have no understanding about salvation. They are
hopeless.



If the Christian god is indeed Christ, and indeed the Trinity, Jews
aren't worshipping that god.

Correct.
.

User: "wildbluskies"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 10:15:59 AM
Truth Hunter wrote:


Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?

Doomed, there is only ONE GOD and muslims, christians, jews et al are
all fake gods.
The ONE TRUE GOD is also the GOD of atheists as well, but they wont
acknowledge it.
any god that is "what you want it to be" is a false god.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 06:22:00 PM
In <1140452158.963870.262280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "wildbluskies"
<wildbluskies@hotmail.com> wrote:


Truth Hunter wrote:


Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?

Doomed, there is only ONE GOD and muslims, christians, jews et al are all
fake gods.
The ONE TRUE GOD is also the GOD of atheists as well, but they wont
acknowledge it.
any god that is "what you want it to be" is a false god.

Which makes your god a false god too...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 21 Feb 2006 04:12:29 PM
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <1140452158.963870.262280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "wildbluskies"
<wildbluskies@hotmail.com> wrote:


Truth Hunter wrote:


Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?

Doomed, there is only ONE GOD and muslims, christians, jews et al are all
fake gods.
The ONE TRUE GOD is also the GOD of atheists as well, but they wont
acknowledge it.
any god that is "what you want it to be" is a false god.


Which makes your god a false god too...

Wrong answer, there is only ONE GOD and the one true GOD is real, no
falsies.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 21 Feb 2006 04:15:05 PM
In <1140559949.151554.295820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
wildbluskies@hotmail.com wrote:


Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <1140452158.963870.262280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"wildbluskies" <wildbluskies@hotmail.com> wrote:


Truth Hunter wrote:


Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the
Muslims?

Doomed, there is only ONE GOD and muslims, christians, jews et al are
all fake gods.
The ONE TRUE GOD is also the GOD of atheists as well, but they wont
acknowledge it.
any god that is "what you want it to be" is a false god.


Which makes your god a false god too...

Wrong answer, there is only ONE GOD and the one true GOD is real, no
falsies.

That's what all the other folks say.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.



User: ""

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 11:01:43 AM
Jews ,Muslims & atheists all deny that Jesus is God. If you believe The
Bible then Jesus is the only way to heaven. The Good news is Jesus
loves everyone. All you have to do is ask :}
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 12:00:18 PM
writes:

Jews ,Muslims & atheists all deny that Jesus is God. If you believe The
Bible then Jesus is the only way to heaven. The Good news is Jesus
loves everyone. All you have to do is ask :}

Jesus is your problem, not mine. If you want to believe your fantasy, that's
your choice. Try forcing it on anyone else, and expect to get your feelings
hurt.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Iowa 3 (February 18)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, February 23 vs. Iowa, 1:05
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 06:28:27 PM
In <1140454903.557831.304510@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
gevans@mindspring.com wrote:

Jews ,Muslims & atheists all deny that Jesus is God. If you believe The
Bible then Jesus is the only way to heaven. The Good news is Jesus loves
everyone. All you have to do is ask :}

Oh like Jesus ever existed.
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 11:07:47 AM
On 20 Feb 2006 09:01:43 -0800,
wrote:

Jews ,Muslims & atheists all deny that Jesus is God. If you believe The
Bible then Jesus is the only way to heaven. The Good news is Jesus
loves everyone. All you have to do is ask :}

They've got nothing to deny, moron, because it is merely your
religious belief that doesn't even apply to them.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 11:14:24 AM
If you are so smart & your mind is made up why do you even troll this
group?
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 12:05:30 PM
<gevans@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1140455664.014119.170500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

If you are so smart & your mind is made up why do you even troll this
group?

Why don't you explain why you're trolling alt.atheism first.
--
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Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 12:01:10 PM
writes:

If you are so smart & your mind is made up why do you even troll this
group?

WHICH group, idiot? You only crossposted this to five newsgroups. I'm
reading it in alt.atheism.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Iowa 3 (February 18)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, February 23 vs. Iowa, 1:05
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User: "wildbluskies"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 11:20:03 AM
wrote:

If you are so smart & your mind is made up why do you even troll this
group?

He is a nothing but a vile, vlugar, blasphemous atheist trash unit,
that's their modus operandi, garbage in = garbage out.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 06:28:50 PM
In <1140455664.014119.170500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
gevans@mindspring.com wrote:

If you are so smart & your mind is made up why do you even troll this
group?

Why are you in alt.atheism?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 11:33:09 AM
On 20 Feb 2006 09:14:24 -0800,
wrote:

If you are so smart & your mind is made up why do you even troll this
group?

A liar as well as an idiot.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 11:52:21 AM
Actually Islamic & the Jewish / Christian religions are the same to
certain points in history.
Then man corrupted them to make them fit his needs.
As for CAL you have some real issues.
.





User: "Sgeo"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 12:45:58 PM
wildbluskies wrote:


Truth Hunter wrote:


Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?

Doomed, there is only ONE GOD and muslims, christians, jews et al are
all fake gods.
The ONE TRUE GOD is also the GOD of atheists as well, but they wont
acknowledge it.
any god that is "what you want it to be" is a false god.

I didn't know that atheists had a God.. Seems like a bit of a contradiction
in terms. Can you please elaborate?
.


User: "Not-Easily-Duped"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 21 Feb 2006 06:55:54 PM
Truth Hunter wrote:

Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?


After looking at countless debates between Christians and Muslims I
notice something rather amusing. I find Christians will commonly tell
the Muslims they do not believe in "The Real God" or "The Same God."
Somehow some Christians get into this mindset that the two religions
believe in two entirely different Gods.


Here is my question:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?

Considering the Jewish concept of God is extremely (If not exactly)
close to the Muslim concept of God, why is it I never see Christians
telling Jews their God isn't real?

Does it have something to do with the choice of religious Scriptures?
It must. Muslims having an entirely different Scripture, I guess, makes
it easier for Christians to condemn their belief in God. Although the
conclusion seems erroneous.

Christians would have to assume that the Scripture Muslims have came
from ANOTHER GOD and that it is perfectly unaltered since transmittion.
Why? Because whenever I see a bewildered Muslim ask "How can you say we
believe in two different Gods?" the Christian will very quickly show a
verse in the Koran that disagrees with the Bible. This is tactic number
one, and the most commonly used tactic. But yet Christians only believe
in One God. So it makes no sense to be calling the Muslim God a "Fake
God" using this tactic. Christians could simply be more direct and say
"I believe your Scripture is wrong and that is not inspired by God."

The other method that is far less commonly used, and usually more
offensive, is the tactic of using artifacts to claim the Muslim God is
the Moon God "Allah." There are serious problems with this view as
well. Christians are first of all making the assumption the religion
has origins with the "Moon God Allah." This assumption is actually the
least of the problems. Christians are then assuming the Muslim concept
of God has remained unchanged from the origin since the start. This is
simply bad logic. Take a look at any number of cultural practices and
you will notice they evolve over time. So it is dishonest to assume the
Muslim concept of God has remained unchanged throughout the years. Just
look at the Jewish concept of God. The Christians evolved it into a
Trinity Godhood, something the Jewish concept of God is entirely
incompatible with.


So asking again:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Do Jews also believe in a "Fake God?"

Looking in at these three faiths as an outsider, it appears to me that
the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God are far more compatible than the
Christian concept of God. However, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
are more compatible than the Muslim Scriptures with the other two. So

Yet the Muslims and the "Christians" believe in Jesus as being
the Christ/Messiah, the Christ that the jews reject.
so Muslims and "Christians" are closer than the Jews and the Muslims
but share Christ as the common ground found in the Jewish Scriptures
Deut 18:15.
O wisdom of God

where is the conclusion of a "Different and Fake" God being drawn? No
where? Scriptures? Please do tell if you believe Muslims have a "Fake
God" whereas Jews do not.


Jews believe God to be a 'spirit,' i.e. non-corporeal.
Jews believe God to be one entity only. Not in the Christian sense.
Think Muslims with Allah.

Jews view worship of man as idolatry. Jews reject Christianity as such.
Jews view Trinitarianism as polytheism.


If the Christian god is indeed Christ, and indeed the Trinity, Jews
aren't worshipping that god.









http://www.jewsforjudaism.org


Bumper Sticker


DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
=20
wrath! (Author unknown)=20
=20
=20
One God, father-son-ghost?

.
User: ""

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 22 Feb 2006 06:30:06 PM
Not-Easily-Duped wrote:

Truth Hunter wrote:

Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?


After looking at countless debates between Christians and Muslims I
notice something rather amusing. I find Christians will commonly tell
the Muslims they do not believe in "The Real God" or "The Same God."
Somehow some Christians get into this mindset that the two religions
believe in two entirely different Gods.


Here is my question:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?

Considering the Jewish concept of God is extremely (If not exactly)
close to the Muslim concept of God, why is it I never see Christians
telling Jews their God isn't real?

Does it have something to do with the choice of religious Scriptures?
It must. Muslims having an entirely different Scripture, I guess, makes
it easier for Christians to condemn their belief in God. Although the
conclusion seems erroneous.

Christians would have to assume that the Scripture Muslims have came
from ANOTHER GOD and that it is perfectly unaltered since transmittion.
Why? Because whenever I see a bewildered Muslim ask "How can you say we
believe in two different Gods?" the Christian will very quickly show a
verse in the Koran that disagrees with the Bible. This is tactic number
one, and the most commonly used tactic. But yet Christians only believe
in One God. So it makes no sense to be calling the Muslim God a "Fake
God" using this tactic. Christians could simply be more direct and say
"I believe your Scripture is wrong and that is not inspired by God."

The other method that is far less commonly used, and usually more
offensive, is the tactic of using artifacts to claim the Muslim God is
the Moon God "Allah." There are serious problems with this view as
well. Christians are first of all making the assumption the religion
has origins with the "Moon God Allah." This assumption is actually the
least of the problems. Christians are then assuming the Muslim concept
of God has remained unchanged from the origin since the start. This is
simply bad logic. Take a look at any number of cultural practices and
you will notice they evolve over time. So it is dishonest to assume the
Muslim concept of God has remained unchanged throughout the years. Just
look at the Jewish concept of God. The Christians evolved it into a
Trinity Godhood, something the Jewish concept of God is entirely
incompatible with.



So asking again:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Do Jews also believe in a "Fake God?"

Looking in at these three faiths as an outsider, it appears to me that
the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God are far more compatible than the
Christian concept of God. However, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
are more compatible than the Muslim Scriptures with the other two. So

Yet the Muslims and the "Christians" believe in Jesus as being
the Christ/Messiah, the Christ that the jews reject.
so Muslims are closer to the "Christians" than they
are to the Jews as they have Christ as the common ground
based on Deut 18:15.the Jewish Scriptures
However, Jews and Muslims share the same
concept and unicity of God. They also share some rules
on what is LICITE AND ILLICITE derived from the Law of Moses.
O wisdom of God.
Christianity = Islam + Catholicism/Orthodoxy
.


User: "john w"

Title: Re: Christians - Jewish concept of God OK? 20 Feb 2006 03:45:10 PM
x-no-archive: yes
On 19 Feb 2006 21:34:24 -0800, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author

Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?


After looking at countless debates between Christians and Muslims I
notice something rather amusing. I find Christians will commonly tell
the Muslims they do not believe in "The Real God" or "The Same God."
Somehow some Christians get into this mindset that the two religions
believe in two entirely different Gods.

That is correct.
To know if we worship the same Deity, it is only rational that we
define our Deity. One of the first things that comes to mind in
defining the Christian Deity, Jehovah, Adonai, Elohim, Jehovah,
Yahweh, (He goes by many names) is that the Christian God (I'll use
Yahweh here) has a Son, whose name is Jesus, the Christ. The Christian
God, Yahweh, also has a Holy Spirit.
The Muslim god, Allah, has no Son, and has no Holy Spirit.
That right there will tell you, the god of the Muslim-- real or
imaginary (another subject for another discussion) is not the same
deity as Yahweh.



Here is my question:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God"

Yes. The Christian believes in the Old Testament God, Yahweh.
or are they doomed like the Muslims?
See answer above.


Considering the Jewish concept of God is extremely (If not exactly)
close to the Muslim concept of God,

Actually, the Jewish concept of God is not at ALL the same as the
Muslim God, Allah.
why is it I never see Christians

telling Jews their God isn't real?

See above answer.


Does it have something to do with the choice of religious Scriptures?

That is part of it. When one reads the Bible, one finds much of the
Old Testament quoted in the New Testament. AND one finds MANY of the
future events predicted in the Old Testament coming to fulfillment in
the New Testament.

It must. Muslims having an entirely different Scripture, I guess, makes
it easier for Christians to condemn their belief in God. Although the
conclusion seems erroneous.

No real Christian would condemn the Muslim. We condemn their false
beliefs.


Christians would have to assume that the Scripture Muslims have came
from ANOTHER GOD and that it is perfectly unaltered since transmittion.
Why? Because whenever I see a bewildered Muslim ask "How can you say we
believe in two different Gods?"

They are taught that "to remain underground" they must insist that the
Koran/Quran teaches the same God and the same values and morals that
the Bible does.
Once you have befriended a Muslim, however, he will confide in you
that he has been taught to tell that lie, but that it is a lie.
The Muslim who is honest with you will admit that the Muslims do NOT
believe in the God of the Bible.
john w
And since YOU don't believe in much of anything, I am curious as to
why you are asking, and what point you wish to make.
And it has become obvious to many now that your sig "truth hunter" is
a lie.
You aren't searching for truth.
the Christian will very quickly show a

verse in the Koran that disagrees with the Bible. This is tactic number
one, and the most commonly used tactic. But yet Christians only believe
in One God. So it makes no sense to be calling the Muslim God a "Fake
God" using this tactic. Christians could simply be more direct and say
"I believe your Scripture is wrong and that is not inspired by God."

The other method that is far less commonly used, and usually more
offensive, is the tactic of using artifacts to claim the Muslim God is
the Moon God "Allah." There are serious problems with this view as
well. Christians are first of all making the assumption the religion
has origins with the "Moon God Allah." This assumption is actually the
least of the problems. Christians are then assuming the Muslim concept
of God has remained unchanged from the origin since the start. This is
simply bad logic. Take a look at any number of cultural practices and
you will notice they evolve over time. So it is dishonest to assume the
Muslim concept of God has remained unchanged throughout the years. Just
look at the Jewish concept of God. The Christians evolved it into a
Trinity Godhood, something the Jewish concept of God is entirely
incompatible with.


So asking again:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God" or are they doomed like the Muslims?
Do Jews also believe in a "Fake God?"

Looking in at these three faiths as an outsider, it appears to me that
the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God are far more compatible than the
Christian concept of God. However, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures
are more compatible than the Muslim Scriptures with the other two. So
where is the conclusion of a "Different and Fake" God being drawn? No
where? Scriptures? Please do tell if you believe Muslims have a "Fake
God" whereas Jews do not.


Jews believe God to be a 'spirit,' i.e. non-corporeal.
Jews believe God to be one entity only. Not in the Christian sense.
Think Muslims with Allah.

Jews view worship of man as idolatry. Jews reject Christianity as such.
Jews view Trinitarianism as polytheism.


If the Christian god is indeed Christ, and indeed the Trinity, Jews
aren't worshipping that god.









http://www.jewsforjudaism.org


Bumper Sticker


DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro­m his own

wrath! (Author unknown)


One God, father-son-ghost?

.
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On 19 Feb 2006 21:34:24 -0800, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author

Christians - Jewish concept of God OK?


After looking at countless debates between Christians and Muslims I
notice something rather amusing. I find Christians will commonly tell
the Muslims they do not believe in "The Real God" or "The Same God."
Somehow some Christians get into this mindset that the two religions
believe in two entirely different Gods.

That is correct.

And how do you determine that, given that your grasp of theology is a
shaky as your grasp on reality , tenuous at best.

To know if we worship the same Deity, it is only rational that we define
our Deity. One of the first things that comes to mind in defining the

yet, your god is supposedly beyond the ability of humans to define. Not
that it stops poppinjays like like you from trying mind you.

Christian Deity, Jehovah, Adonai, Elohim, Jehovah, Yahweh, (He goes by
many names) is that the Christian God (I'll use Yahweh here) has a Son,
whose name is Jesus, the Christ. The Christian God, Yahweh, also has a
Holy Spirit.

there are many names associated with the Jewish god , which is to be
anticipated do to the simple observation that the Jewish a priesthood at
some some to all the other gods into there's. That god, which is currently
known as yahweh, has no son nor offsprin, nor currently even a consort .
& yes, we know of one time when that particular god had a consor, her
name was Asherah. consort of él. as well as later, baaland .

The Muslim god, Allah, has no Son, and has no Holy Spirit.

Nor does the Jewish one, in spite of claims of the uninformed at such as
yourself .

That right there will tell you, the god of the Muslim-- real or imaginary
(another subject for another discussion) is not the same deity as Yahweh.

It's only in your own mind that the two might even be similar. may share
the same parent root word , il. But of course, you'll never know that .
It is even easier if one knows how to read history. There one can find
that the god of Israel, él, was worshipped from approximately -6,000
Gregorian to about -460 Gregorian. Allah, OTOH, first shows up in history
about 600 Gregorian, and is always considered a creator got up by the
Bedouin.



Here is my question:

Do Jews believe in "The Real God"

Yes. The Christian believes in the Old Testament God, Yahweh.

No, they do not. They didn't believe in Greek version that has nothing to
do with the old testament proper. But of course you would have to
understand first century Jewish theology , in your case jw, that will
never happen.

or are they doomed like the Muslims?
See answer above.

What answer, you have simply made an assertion with no supporting evidence
again. But then, that's all you really can do isn't it?

Considering the Jewish concept of God is extremely (If not exactly)
close to the Muslim concept of God,

Actually, the Jewish concept of God is not at ALL the same as the Muslim
God, Allah.

& you can demonstrate this exactly in what manner other than you say so?
This would require you to understand that theology of both mythologies, &
you have demonstrated a singular lack in that particular field of study.

why is it I never see Christians

telling Jews their God isn't real?

See above answer.

Again, what answer?

Does it have something to do with the choice of religious Scriptures?

That is part of it. When one reads the Bible, one finds much of the Old
Testament quoted in the New Testament. AND one finds MANY of the future
events predicted in the Old Testament coming to fulfillment in the New
Testament.

Except one does not find any predictions or events claimed by the old
testament coming to fulfillment and the new testament. What one does find
is that the old testament has been abused by xians to support their claim.
There are zero prophecies for a return of yahweh in any way, shape, form
or fashion after the Torah is closed. a Bible expert like you should know
all about all that particular passage which says the book has been
closed.

It must. Muslims having an entirely different Scripture, I guess, makes
it easier for Christians to condemn their belief in God. Although the
conclusion seems erroneous.

No real Christian would condemn the Muslim. We condemn their false
beliefs.

As usual, you attempt to speak for others. And yet you cannot even
articulate your own claims a unique or personal manner. all you can do
this parrott what others have said.
BTW, when have you ever encountered a real xian? Your conduct says you
don't know what the term means.
snip, to include the standard jThe w variety of fantasy.

john w
And since YOU don't believe in much of anything, I am curious as to why
you are asking, and what point you wish to make.
And it has become obvious to many now that your sig "truth hunter" is a
lie.
You aren't searching for truth.

He is searching for the truth as much as you are telling the truth.
Snip
which wannabe this time jw, the genuine artificial self inflated non
scholar scholar ?
walkslaone who finds it a rather amusing to watch jw, troll a troll.


Prisons are built with stones of Law,
Brothels with bricks of Religion.
William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell
.



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