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"anne marie hovgaard" |
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06 Apr 2004 12:00:16 PM |
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Christians a minority in Norway |
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
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| User: "Fritz Langs Claytonopolis" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
06 Apr 2004 08:29:36 PM |
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"anne marie hovgaard" <amhovgaard@yahoo.no> wrote in message
news:705782b9.0404060900.21a4070a@posting.google.com...
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
I've heard you can get some good porn there too. :)
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
06 Apr 2004 12:46:28 PM |
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(anne marie hovgaard) wrote in
news:705782b9.0404060900.21a4070a@posting.google.com:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
What are the numbers for other religions? Also, have they switched from
christianity to other beliefs?
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| User: "anne marie hovgaard" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
08 Apr 2004 10:05:00 AM |
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Maverick <insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94C3C90D4BB8Cinsensitiveclodhotma@192.71.180.100>...
amhovgaard@yahoo.no (anne marie hovgaard) wrote in
news:705782b9.0404060900.21a4070a@posting.google.com:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
What are the numbers for other religions? Also, have they switched from
christianity to other beliefs?
Very few have switched to other religions - they're just not
interested in religion. I don't remember the exact numbers for other
religions, but they are very low, and mostly (almost exclusively) made
up of immigrants from islamic regions + a handful of hindu & buddhist
immigrants.
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
08 Apr 2004 10:39:48 AM |
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(anne marie hovgaard) wrote in
news:705782b9.0404080705.6f03f6a6@posting.google.com:
Maverick <insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<Xns94C3C90D4BB8Cinsensitiveclodhotma@192.71.180.100>...
(anne marie hovgaard) wrote in
news:705782b9.0404060900.21a4070a@posting.google.com:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?"
49% of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray
and/or go to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil.
(We still seem to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear
words in Norwegian are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
What are the numbers for other religions? Also, have they switched
from christianity to other beliefs?
Very few have switched to other religions - they're just not
interested in religion. I don't remember the exact numbers for other
religions, but they are very low, and mostly (almost exclusively) made
up of immigrants from islamic regions + a handful of hindu & buddhist
immigrants.
Cool. How about stuff like new age and beliefs in various pseudosciences
and supernatural stuff? Is that on the rise to fill the "void" when
religion left the building?
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
06 Apr 2004 01:05:14 PM |
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the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
So that's what that is. I thought you were just complaining about the Swiss.
:}
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
07 Apr 2004 01:23:58 AM |
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In article <705782b9.0404060900.21a4070a@posting.google.com>,
(anne marie hovgaard) wrote:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
Hmmm, Norway. What's the weather like over there?
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "anne marie hovgaard" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
08 Apr 2004 09:44:21 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message news:<jhachm-29EBCA.23235806042004@news-60.giganews.com>...
In article <705782b9.0404060900.21a4070a@posting.google.com>,
amhovgaard@yahoo.no (anne marie hovgaard) wrote:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
Hmmm, Norway. What's the weather like over there?
Mild summers (15-30C), mild/cold winters (0-> -20C). No
tornados/hurricanes/floods/earthquakes or other signs of God's wrath
;)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
09 Apr 2004 12:27:20 AM |
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In article <705782b9.0404080644.a532a11@posting.google.com>,
(anne marie hovgaard) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:<jhachm-29EBCA.23235806042004@news-60.giganews.com>...
In article <705782b9.0404060900.21a4070a@posting.google.com>,
(anne marie hovgaard) wrote:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
Hmmm, Norway. What's the weather like over there?
Mild summers (15-30C), mild/cold winters (0-> -20C). No
tornados/hurricanes/floods/earthquakes or other signs of God's wrath
;)
As one living under George II's regime in the States, Norway is looking
very attractive about now.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Divin Marquis" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
06 Apr 2004 11:36:59 PM |
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Le Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:00:16 -0700, anne marie hovgaard a écrit :
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49% of
Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go to
church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil.
(We still seem to talk
about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian are "faen"
/the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
Having been to Switzerland, I must concur: it's boring as hell.
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| User: "Chuckles" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
07 Apr 2004 01:52:26 AM |
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On 6 Apr 2004 10:00:16 -0700, (anne marie
hovgaard) wrote:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
And this from a country where there is no separtation of church and
state. Way to go!
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
08 Apr 2004 10:41:27 AM |
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Chuckles <chuckles@happyland.com> wrote in
news:qj977055g5gqb5resihjaoatgci72stai8@4ax.com:
On 6 Apr 2004 10:00:16 -0700, (anne marie
hovgaard) wrote:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
And this from a country where there is no separtation of church and
state. Way to go!
Strange, isn't it? Same thing in Sweden. The separation of church and state
took a big step forward a few years ago though. Question is when is the
separation complete? Is it when religion is not mentioned in the law except
for the part about religious freedom? What about marriage?
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| User: "anne marie hovgaard" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
08 Apr 2004 10:09:44 AM |
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Chuckles <chuckles@happyland.com> wrote in message news:<qj977055g5gqb5resihjaoatgci72stai8@4ax.com>...
On 6 Apr 2004 10:00:16 -0700, (anne marie
hovgaard) wrote:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
And this from a country where there is no separtation of church and
state. Way to go!
Perhaps that's the reason: the state pays ministers to believe _for_
us so we don't have to ;)
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
07 Apr 2004 11:00:08 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 06:52:26 GMT, Chuckles <chuckles@happyland.com>
ejaculated:
On 6 Apr 2004 10:00:16 -0700, (anne marie
hovgaard) wrote:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
And this from a country where there is no separtation of church and
state. Way to go!
I think there is no better argument for how detrimental state
endorsement of churches is than Europe. Every single state-sponsored
church in Europe is minimally attended.
I was able to discern this even when I was a fundamentalist Christian.
I don't understand the drive to Christianize America. It is
fundamentally ignorant of the facts of what makes our country great
and how Federal endorsement would end up being a hindrance.
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"You claimed all this time that you would die for me.
Why, then, are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?"
- Tool, "Eulogy"
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| User: "Newton Joseph" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
07 Apr 2004 02:28:59 PM |
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Schizophrenia and Christian Fundamentalism
By Newton Joseph
This is a Definition of Schizophrenia and some of its symptoms.
Schizophrenia bears an uncanny resemblance to 'Christian fundamentalism'.
These are not my own definitions; They are snipped from recognized medical
sites and medical encyclopedia.
Definition
Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by
withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and
hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional,
behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia is associated with
dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the frontal lobe and is
caused by genetic, other biological, and psychosocial factors.
Symptoms
Delusions
Delusions are false beliefs that are deeply entrenched and
clearly not based in reality and are not consistent with cultural beliefs or
the persons' level of intelligence and life experiences. Persons cling to
these believes even after the believes are shown to be false.
These false beliefs may be very difficult for family or friends
to understand, since they do not make sense. Again, a delusion seems as real
to the person as a belief grounded in reality.
Specific Delusions
Bizarre delusions are hallucinations consisting of two or more
voices conversing with each other or of a single voice affecting a person's
behaviors or thoughts.
. Unworthy Said: - "How do I know God has said anything? I have
heard him speak in an audible voice".
. Phoenix said: - "As I was going about my daily task, the Lord
spoke to me...."
Hallucinations
People with schizophrenia may experience hallucinations. That
is, they may hear, see, feel or smell things that are not there. Just as in
a dream, where fantastic events can not be distinguished from real events,
hallucinations can not be distinguished from real events. Thus, the
hallucination of a voice talking is perceived in the brain just like a real
person talking.
Discussions about their objective truth or plausibility of the
hallucinations are not valuable. The experience is true and very vivid to
the patient and has to be accepted as such. Attempts to "set the person
straight" result in resistance, tension, and bad feelings.
Hallucinations are false perceptions or unreal apparitions. They
do not correspond to the stimuli that is present and have no basis in
reality. You have to remember that what is an hallucination in one culture,
is not in another.
'Ray of light' believes he can fly around outside of his
physical body.
disorganized speech or behavior
A person with schizophrenia may have disorganized speech or
behavior; so that what they do or say does not make much sense.
Read any post made by 'Young'.
Preoccupations
These are fixed ideas, not necessarily false (like delusions)
but overvalued. That means they take on extraordinary importance and take up
an inordinate amount of thought time.
One idea often returns and returns. Frequently it is a worry
about doing the right thing or doing it well or doing it in time.
Characteristically, the worry grows and becomes unrealistic. A common
sequence of events is for the worry to take up so much of a person's time
that the "right thing" does not get done and its not being done is then
attributed to the bad motives of others. Or it may be rationalized as God's
wish.
These kinds of explanations sound odd to others but to the
patient they seem warranted. He does not understand why others see them
merely as "excuses." To him they explain the facts better than any other
explanation he can think of.
Sometimes these preoccupations have a mystifying character to
them. They seem to require puzzling over and decoding. The schizophrenic
patient spends much time in this kind of activity and that is why he thinks
he has solved mysteries that others haven't, since they have spent no time
at it.
Denial of illness
Some individuals are able to admit to themselves that they could
ever be deficient or vulnerable in any way. Most illnesses that start in
late adolescence tend to be denied because adolescence is a time when
deficiencies are hard to accept. The problem of illness denial is that it
makes treatment impossible. This is true of all illnesses that require
treatment and is not specific for schizophrenia. Since lack of treatment in
schizophrenia can have serious consequences, families need to be especially
firm about this.
Schizophrenic Symptoms are continuous and persistent
Secondary symptoms (Mechanisms patients may develop to cope with
fundamental symptoms).
Hallucinations, Paranoid ideation, Grandiosity. argumentative,
Superiority complex, inappropriate laughter.
This describes chic-n-little perfectly. chic even types
"*laughin*" at the end of many sentences regardless of the absence of humor.
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| User: "Newton Joseph" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
07 Apr 2004 11:59:13 PM |
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It is apparent that there are millions of Christians in America who are as
superstitious as those living in third world countries. Every theologian in
the U.S. should be seen as a Witch doctor.
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| User: "Marguerita" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
06 Apr 2004 02:24:24 PM |
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On 6 Apr 2004 10:00:16 -0700, (anne marie
hovgaard) wrote:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
Sounds pretty much like the UK stats from the most recent poll. I
always wonder why people classify themselves as Christians when they
don't pray, go to Church or believe in God/Satan.
I'm sure this has been mentioned a thousand times but I will never
bore of it - in the last national census in the UK, 2% of the people
in the city where I lived stated their religion as 'Jedi'. Nationally,
there are well over a third of a million Jedi knights.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/profiles/rank/jedi.asp
Cool as ***** :-)
M
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"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink.
I needn't argue about that; I'm right and I will
be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now;
I don't know which will go first-rock 'n' roll or
Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples
were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that
ruins it for me." John Lennon
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Christians a minority in Norway |
06 Apr 2004 01:26:03 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach anne marie hovgaard:
It's official! When asked "Do you consider yourself a Christian?" 49%
of Norwegians answered "No", 47% "Yes", less than 10% pray and/or go
to church regularly, and only 3% believe in the devil. (We still seem
to talk about him a lot ;) - the most common swear words in Norwegian
are "faen" /the devil/ and "helvete" /hell/)
Noooo! The missionaries have embarked!
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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