Religions > Atheism > Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare
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"donquijote1954" |
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12 Dec 2007 07:32:01 PM |
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Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
What's the higher moral ground of those who want a child to be born
only to suffer? Well, that is the case when the president they put in
power vetoed for the second time healthcare coverage for poor kids.
I guess they are taking a hint from God, MAKE HUMAN BEINGS... TO MAKE
THEM SUFFER. :(
Bush vetoes kids health insurance bill
WASHINGTON - President Bush vetoed legislation Wednesday that would
have expanded government-provided health insurance for children, his
second slap-down of a bipartisan effort in Congress to dramatically
increase funding for the popular program.
It was Bush's seventh veto in seven years -- all but one coming since
Democrats took control of Congress in January. Wednesday was the
deadline for Bush to act or let the bill become law. The president
also vetoed an earlier, similar bill expanding the health insurance
program.
Bush vetoed the bill in private.
In a statement notifying Congress of his decision, Bush said the bill
was unacceptable because -- like the first one -- it allows adults into
the program, would cover people in families with incomes above the
U.S. median and raises taxes.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_veto
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
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| User: "spammer" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
12 Dec 2007 07:37:48 PM |
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First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
12 Dec 2007 07:49:36 PM |
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In article <dc43bbb1-b776-4c7b-875f-6689abedf372@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> spammer <serebel1@yahoo.com> writes:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
If that latter were the case, then every bill passed in the last
seven years would have been vetoed.
Attachments are how most work gets done in Congress. Dubya might
as well claimed to be vetoing it because it was printed in English.
-- cary
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| User: "spammer" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
12 Dec 2007 07:56:56 PM |
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On Dec 12, 8:49 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
If that latter were the case, then every bill passed in the last
seven years would have been vetoed.
You're right, it does seem odd that fiscal responsibility has come up
now. But hey, better late than never.
Attachments are how most work gets done in Congress. Dubya might
as well claimed to be vetoing it because it was printed in English.
These "attachments" are what's going to keep our grandkids in debt.
It's a practice of politicians on both sides of the aisle.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
12 Dec 2007 08:02:47 PM |
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In article <884c05a3-e77b-4e10-9d2e-6f59afd797d5@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> spammer <serebel1@yahoo.com> writes:
On Dec 12, 8:49 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
If that latter were the case, then every bill passed in the last
seven years would have been vetoed.
You're right, it does seem odd that fiscal responsibility has come up
now. But hey, better late than never.
Attachments are how most work gets done in Congress. Dubya might
as well claimed to be vetoing it because it was printed in English.
These "attachments" are what's going to keep our grandkids in debt.
It's a practice of politicians on both sides of the aisle.
Oh, absolutely. As I say, it's the way that most Congressional
work gets done -- for better, and for worse.
But I think it's the few-hundred-billion-here, few-hundred-billion-
there war in Iraq deficit which is going to weigh down our
kids. After all, attachments and entitlements have been
around forever -- and less than a decade ago, we actually
had, nota deficit, but a surplus going.
-- cary
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| User: "serebel" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
12 Dec 2007 08:27:40 PM |
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On Dec 12, 9:02 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
But I think it's the few-hundred-billion-here, few-hundred-billion-
there war in Iraq deficit which is going to weigh down our
kids. After all, attachments and entitlements have been
around forever -- and less than a decade ago, we actually
had, nota deficit, but a surplus going.
Actually, there was never a surplus. When they replaced the
social secutity trust fund with IOUs, they created a paper surplus.
Again, both sides of the aisle contrived this.
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| User: "snausages" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 03:22:23 AM |
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On Dec 12, 5:37 pm, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
Yeah, because Bush hates pork. All of the other hundreds of pork-
filled bills he passed were all an illusion. Good call, Spammer.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 08:52:32 AM |
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snausages wrote:
On Dec 12, 5:37 pm, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
Yeah, because Bush hates pork. All of the other hundreds of pork-
filled bills he passed were all an illusion. Good call, Spammer.
*jr's Iraq war is the biggest pork barrel ever*....
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| User: "donquijote1954" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 10:59:19 AM |
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On Dec 13, 9:52 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
snausages wrote:
On Dec 12, 5:37 pm, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
Yeah, because Bush hates pork. All of the other hundreds of pork-
filled bills he passed were all an illusion. Good call, Spammer.
*jr's Iraq war is the biggest pork barrel ever*....
I wonder if those who justify Bush are Atheists or Christians...
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 11:12:50 AM |
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donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 13, 9:52 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
snausages wrote:
On Dec 12, 5:37 pm, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
Yeah, because Bush hates pork. All of the other hundreds of pork-
filled bills he passed were all an illusion. Good call, Spammer.
*jr's Iraq war is the biggest pork barrel ever*....
I wonder if those who justify Bush are Atheists or Christians...
They seem to claim they are Christians.
Their acts and statements seem be
contrary to their purported beliefs.
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| User: "donquijote1954" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 02:36:31 PM |
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On Dec 13, 12:12 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 13, 9:52 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
snausages wrote:
On Dec 12, 5:37 pm, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
Yeah, because Bush hates pork. All of the other hundreds of pork-
filled bills he passed were all an illusion. Good call, Spammer.
*jr's Iraq war is the biggest pork barrel ever*....
I wonder if those who justify Bush are Atheists or Christians...
They seem to claim they are Christians.
Their acts and statements seem be
contrary to their purported beliefs.
Well, the Bible says something whose truth no Atheist can deny...
"By their deeds, you shall know them."
Here's another issue in which this God-blessed country is at odds with
morality...
Gore: US blocking climate talks progress
'"My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for
obstructing progress here in Bali," said Gore'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bali_climate_conference
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 03:16:07 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:36:31 -0800 (PST), in alt.atheism
donquijote1954 <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1f90e6e2-073b-433f-a565-4cdc1a981ba3@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
On Dec 13, 12:12 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 13, 9:52 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
snausages wrote:
On Dec 12, 5:37 pm, spammer <sereb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
Yeah, because Bush hates pork. All of the other hundreds of pork-
filled bills he passed were all an illusion. Good call, Spammer.
*jr's Iraq war is the biggest pork barrel ever*....
I wonder if those who justify Bush are Atheists or Christians...
They seem to claim they are Christians.
Their acts and statements seem be
contrary to their purported beliefs.
Well, the Bible says something whose truth no Atheist can deny...
"By their deeds, you shall know them."
Works for me. Bush proves he is evil, almost as evil as his second.
Here's another issue in which this God-blessed country is at odds with
morality...
Gore: US blocking climate talks progress
'"My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for
obstructing progress here in Bali," said Gore'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bali_climate_conference
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 03:41:23 PM |
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donquijote1954 wrote:
Well, the Bible says something whose truth no Atheist can deny...
"By their deeds, you shall know them."
Nonsense. People's actions belie their true intent all the time.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "donquijote1954" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 06:45:36 PM |
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On Dec 13, 4:41 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddress@....com> wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote:
Well, the Bible says something whose truth no Atheist can deny...
"By their deeds, you shall know them."
Nonsense. People's actions belie their true intent all the time.
Well, at least the Bible is talking some sense there.
I also like this passage...
"The Truth will make you free"
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 03:49:02 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:41:23 -0600, in alt.atheism
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@....com> wrote in
<156ii2j6lt6m.6dysenixcw75.dlg@40tude.net>:
donquijote1954 wrote:
Well, the Bible says something whose truth no Atheist can deny...
"By their deeds, you shall know them."
Nonsense. People's actions belie their true intent all the time.
Here I thought that they tried to hide their intent but their actions
betrayed it. I generally believe what people do rather than what they
say when their claims and actions conflict.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
12 Dec 2007 09:50:49 PM |
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spammer wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
*****.
It was so the Democrats would not be able to claim passage of this bill
during the election.
This bill was budget neutral.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 09:44:04 AM |
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:A028j.21137$N67.1204@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
spammer wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
*****.
It was so the Democrats would not be able to claim passage of this bill
during the election.
This bill was budget neutral.
*****.
We already spend $25 billion on SCHIP, Bush offered a 20% increase.
The Socialist Democrats DENIED the chilren's health.
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| User: "neoconis_ignoramus" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
13 Dec 2007 07:24:27 PM |
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On Dec 13, 7:44 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
"Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:A028j.21137$N67.1204@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
spammer wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
*****.
It was so the Democrats would not be able to claim passage of this bill
during the election.
This bill was budget neutral.
*****.
We already spend $25 billion on SCHIP, Bush offered a 20% increase.
The Socialist Democrats DENIED the chilren's health.
Um, you got it wrong...again. The Democrats voted to expand
coverage. Bush vetoed that bill.
Why does bush hate children?
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| User: "donquijote1954" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
14 Dec 2007 11:53:07 AM |
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On Dec 13, 8:24 pm, neoconis_ignoramus <bellamac...@verizon.net>
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On Dec 13, 7:44 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
"Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:A028j.21137$N67.1204@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
spammer wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
*****.
It was so the Democrats would not be able to claim passage of this bill
during the election.
This bill was budget neutral.
*****.
We already spend $25 billion on SCHIP, Bush offered a 20% increase.
The Socialist Democrats DENIED the chilren's health.
Um, you got it wrong...again. The Democrats voted to expand
coverage. Bush vetoed that bill.
Why does bush hate children?-
Children --like Adam and Eve-- commit sins, and they must be punished
for it.
Peeing in their pampers is terribly bad.
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| User: "neoconis_ignoramus" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
14 Dec 2007 01:55:26 PM |
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On Dec 14, 9:53 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Dec 13, 8:24 pm, neoconis_ignoramus <bellamac...@verizon.net>
wrote:
On Dec 13, 7:44 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
"Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:A028j.21137$N67.1204@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
spammer wrote:
First of all, not all Christians are against abortion. Second, that
veto was because of all the pork attached to it.
*****.
It was so the Democrats would not be able to claim passage of this bill
during the election.
This bill was budget neutral.
*****.
We already spend $25 billion on SCHIP, Bush offered a 20% increase.
The Socialist Democrats DENIED the chilren's health.
Um, you got it wrong...again. The Democrats voted to expand
coverage. Bush vetoed that bill.
Why does bush hate children?-
Children --like Adam and Eve-- commit sins, and they must be punished
for it.
Peeing in their pampers is terribly bad.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, then my kids are going straight to hell. LOL
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| User: "rasqual" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is againstchildren's healthcare |
12 Dec 2007 09:09:20 PM |
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On Dec 12, 7:32 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com>
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Bush vetoes kids health insurance bill
My understanding is that the bill ups the income level of entitlement.
There are legitimate rational arguments for not doing this. There's
certainly a case to be made for such a program, but to aver that only
having some brief against kids could be the motive for the veto, is
just silly.
One legitimate reason for objecting to expanding the program to higher
income families is that there would be less to go around for the
poorest. Whether that reason holds up to scrutiny, I don't know. One
would have to examine the scope of entitlement before and after the
proposed bill, and consider the budgeted amounts before and proposed
after.
The reason I cited just this particular rational is that it
demonstrates how counter-intuitive rational consideration of
rationales can be. Things are not always as they seem -- which should
motivate some reticence.
- S
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
12 Dec 2007 09:19:20 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:09:20 -0800 (PST), in alt.atheism
rasqual <scott.marquardt@gmail.com> wrote in
<7e88904e-5756-4942-9efa-02e0679b1f78@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
On Dec 12, 7:32 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Bush vetoes kids health insurance bill
My understanding is that the bill ups the income level of entitlement.
There are legitimate rational arguments for not doing this. There's
certainly a case to be made for such a program, but to aver that only
having some brief against kids could be the motive for the veto, is
just silly.
One legitimate reason for objecting to expanding the program to higher
income families is that there would be less to go around for the
poorest. Whether that reason holds up to scrutiny, I don't know. One
would have to examine the scope of entitlement before and after the
proposed bill, and consider the budgeted amounts before and proposed
after.
The reason I cited just this particular rational is that it
demonstrates how counter-intuitive rational consideration of
rationales can be. Things are not always as they seem -- which should
motivate some reticence.
- S
The bill allowed states to make certain decisions. Remember when
Republicans thought it was a good idea for states to decide? George Bush
doesn't care if children die. He thinks that they can all get emergency
room care. He believes many other things that are not true, either.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: Christians are against abortion, but their president is against children's healthcare |
12 Dec 2007 09:51:59 PM |
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rasqual wrote:
On Dec 12, 7:32 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Bush vetoes kids health insurance bill
My understanding is that the bill ups the income level of entitlement.
There are legitimate rational arguments for not doing this. There's
certainly a case to be made for such a program, but to aver that only
having some brief against kids could be the motive for the veto, is
just silly.
One legitimate reason for objecting to expanding the program to higher
income families is that there would be less to go around for the
poorest. Whether that reason holds up to scrutiny, I don't know. One
would have to examine the scope of entitlement before and after the
proposed bill, and consider the budgeted amounts before and proposed
after.
The reason I cited just this particular rational is that it
demonstrates how counter-intuitive rational consideration of
rationales can be. Things are not always as they seem -- which should
motivate some reticence.
- S
The health was revenue neutral.
It was a good bill.
jr killed it for politics.
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