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"Enkidu" |
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04 Jul 2004 12:06:31 AM |
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Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. Good thing to, because some=20
of them need a lot of forgiveness sent their way. Perhaps a better set=20
of ethical values up front would have been better.
=93He comes from a good solid, Christian home,=94 said Musolf. =93This one =
has=20
dumbfounded me.=94
http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_16766996.shtml
"We are good, loving Christian people and are beside ourselves to be in=20
the position we are today," he said. "We need her back in our family."
http://www.nyjournalnews.com/newsroom/062604/b01p26sordid.html
"Seven years ago, a Baptist preacher in Sabine County was convicted and=20
sentenced for indecency with a child. The child was just 14 at the time.=20
She's now a grown woman, and has had to wait until now to finally have=20
the satisfaction of knowing her predator is behind bars."
http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D1994192&nav=3D2FH5OQUc
"A BAPTIST pastor who shredded the diary of a child parishioner who was=20
sexually abused should have been jailed, a Brisbane court was told=20
yesterday."
http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,9991322%
255E3102,00.html
"Teague, a former Louisiana College professor and interim youth director=20
at an Alexandria Baptist church, was first arrested in Grant and Rapides=20
parishes in 1991 on multiple counts of child molestation."
http://www.leesvilledailyleader.com/articles/2004/06/24/news/news4.txt
"A former church volunteer charged with molesting two young boys at his=20
Las Vegas home has been sentenced to at least ten years in prison."
http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D1944138&nav=3D8faONwOi
"Friends painted Almond as an active member of her church . . ."
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/8866308.htm?1c
--=20
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for=20
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections=20
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence=20
to religious principles"
James D. Watson =20
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html=20
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and=20
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your=20
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no=20
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells=20
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
05 Jul 2004 07:46:31 AM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
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Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
No, just deluded.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
04 Jul 2004 04:45:17 AM |
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In article <MPG.1b513031b0e499319898b2@news.west.cox.net>,
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
I often see this quote on bumper stickers. My immediate thought is
"Well, atheists aren't perfect, either. But at least we don't need to be
forgiven by a *GAWD!* that doesn't exist."
But the true problem with some Chritsians (far too many, IMO) is that
they think that the only forgiveness they need be concerned about is
from *GAWD!* or their fellow Christians. They seem to think that anyone
else is just a "blind heathen sinner" and doesn't really count.
Good thing too, because some
of them need a lot of forgiveness sent their way. Perhaps a better set
of ethical values up front would have been better.
Sad, ain't it?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
04 Jul 2004 06:56:34 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-9EEAE3.05451704072004@news03.east.earthlink.net...
In article <MPG.1b513031b0e499319898b2@news.west.cox.net>,
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
I often see this quote on bumper stickers. My immediate thought is
"Well, atheists aren't perfect, either. But at least we don't need to be
forgiven by a *GAWD!* that doesn't exist."
But the true problem with some Chritsians (far too many, IMO) is that
they think that the only forgiveness they need be concerned about is
from *GAWD!* or their fellow Christians. They seem to think that anyone
else is just a "blind heathen sinner" and doesn't really count.
Good thing too, because some
of them need a lot of forgiveness sent their way. Perhaps a better set
of ethical values up front would have been better.
Sad, ain't it?
--
What gets me the most is that some of them would believe that a mass murder
who repents and whatever would have more chance of getting into Heaven that
someone who wasn't a christian but led a totally blameless life, never
harmed anyone, gave their money to charity etc etc etc.
Kathryn
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
05 Jul 2004 07:49:11 AM |
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"kathryn" <kathrynahunterlosethis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cc8r9i$n12$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-9EEAE3.05451704072004@news03.east.earthlink.net...
In article <MPG.1b513031b0e499319898b2@news.west.cox.net>,
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
I often see this quote on bumper stickers. My immediate thought is
"Well, atheists aren't perfect, either. But at least we don't need to be
forgiven by a *GAWD!* that doesn't exist."
But the true problem with some Chritsians (far too many, IMO) is that
they think that the only forgiveness they need be concerned about is
from *GAWD!* or their fellow Christians. They seem to think that anyone
else is just a "blind heathen sinner" and doesn't really count.
Good thing too, because some
of them need a lot of forgiveness sent their way. Perhaps a better
set
of ethical values up front would have been better.
Sad, ain't it?
--
What gets me the most is that some of them would believe that a mass
murder
who repents and whatever would have more chance of getting into Heaven
that
someone who wasn't a christian but led a totally blameless life, never
harmed anyone, gave their money to charity etc etc etc.
Yeah..well...they can belive what they want.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Andrew Lias" |
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| Title: Re: Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
05 Jul 2004 02:48:53 PM |
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"kathryn" <kathrynahunterlosethis@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<cc8r9i$n12$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
news:nemo0037-9EEAE3.05451704072004@news03.east.earthlink.net...
What gets me the most is that some of them would believe that a mass murder
who repents and whatever would have more chance of getting into Heaven that
someone who wasn't a christian but led a totally blameless life, never
harmed anyone, gave their money to charity etc etc etc.
I find that most Christians faced with the real prospect of some
scumbag repenting will easily slip into a state of cognitive
dissonance where they deny that said scumbag has *genuinely* repented.
Few of them actually believe that they'll be sharing heaven with
penitent child molesters, rapists and serial killers.
Likewise, a lot of them are simply willing to ignore doctrine when it
comes to the thought of obviously good heathens going to Hell. Take
an informal survey of your Christian friends and ask them if they
think that Ghandi is going to Hell (do exlude any Universalists who
are, at least, being consistent in their theology). I'll bet you
dollars to donuts that 90%+ of them will say that God will let him
into Heaven because he was a good person.
I find that most Christians, whatever their denomination, have a
theologically simple version of Heaven and Hell where good people go
to Heaven and bad people go to Hell. As tempted as I am to criticize
them for theological inconsistency, I find that I much prefer the sort
of person who simply can't bring themselves to believe in the
doctrinal scheme of things. The people who scare me are the one's who
do, in fact, hold to doctrine and who, futhermore, believe that the
doctrinal standard is actually good and just. Those are the sort of
folk who would, I believe, sacrifice their own (or anyone else's)
children if they thought that God was commanding it.
--
Andrew Lias
http://andrewlias.blogspot.com
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| User: "Carol T" |
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| Title: Re: Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
06 Jul 2004 08:23:31 AM |
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(Andrew Lias) wrote in message news:<ffc8a152.0407051148.2bddea8f@posting.google.com>...
I'll bet you
dollars to donuts that 90%+ of them will say that God will let him
into Heaven because he was a good person.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
This is what Christ taught
"And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a
centurion, beseeching him, And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home
sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. And Jesus saith unto him, I
will come and heal him. The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am
not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word
only, and my servant shall be healed. For I am a man under authority,
having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth;
and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and
he doeth [it]. When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them
that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith,
no, not in Israel." KJ Mat 8:5-10
I find that most Christians, whatever their denomination, have a
theologically simple version of Heaven and Hell where good people go
to Heaven and bad people go to Hell. <<<<
"Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the
Almighty unto perfection? [It is] as high as heaven; what canst thou
do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? The measure thereof [is]
longer than the earth, and broader than the sea. KJ Job 11:7-9
The way of life [is] above to the wise, that he may depart from hell
beneath. KJ Proverbs 15:24
God has the keys to hell and to death, you can be saved from both
whilst you live.
"I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for
evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." KJ
Revelation" 1:18
Be saved into a life with your saviour, The Lord Jesus Christ. He is
one with God and has the keys to let you free.
Carol T
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| User: "Andrew Lias" |
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| Title: Re: Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
07 Jul 2004 03:17:55 PM |
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(Carol T) wrote in message news:<9bff2a56.0407060523.3c79894e@posting.google.com>...
anrwlias@gmail.com (Andrew Lias) wrote in message news:<ffc8a152.0407051148.2bddea8f@posting.google.com>...
I'll bet you
dollars to donuts that 90%+ of them will say that God will let him
into Heaven because he was a good person.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
This is what Christ taught
Thank you but I've already had my daily recommended allowance of theo-spam.
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Andrew Lias
http://andrewlias.blogspot.com
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
06 Jul 2004 08:57:02 AM |
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Carol T wrote:
anrwlias@gmail.com (Andrew Lias) wrote in message news:<ffc8a152.0407051148.2bddea8f@posting.google.com>...
I'll bet you
dollars to donuts that 90%+ of them will say that God will let him
into Heaven because he was a good person.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
This is what Christ taught
{Xtian myths snipped}
Nah, thats just what some Men wrote in a book.
There is no 'God', get over it.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Carol T" |
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| Title: Re: Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. |
05 Jul 2004 07:40:13 AM |
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"kathryn" <kathrynahunterlosethis@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<cc8r9i$n12$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
gets me the most is that some of them would believe that a mass
murder
who repents and whatever would have more chance of getting into Heaven that
someone who wasn't a christian but led a totally blameless life, never
harmed anyone, gave their money to charity etc etc etc.<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Kathryn,
This is the teaching of Christ, that faith is through love and
forgiveness.
"And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a
centurion, beseeching him, And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home
sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. And Jesus saith unto him, I
will come and heal him.
The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou
shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant
shall be healed. For I am a man under authority, having soldiers
under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another,
Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].
When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed,
Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in
Israel." KJ Mat 8:5-10
Get yourself out from amongst them who carry the marks of Satan on
their posts or you will bring about your destruction. You cannot
challenge The Word of God and survive, you do not have the wisdom to
save yourself.
Christ loves you and He knows of the pain you are carrying. Speak to
Him and ask Him for His forgiveness, not these people who have a love
of all things not Godly.
These are not atheists, they are Satanist's. Believe me, Satan
believes and knows of God and he will use you to do and say things
which you will come to regret. Do not be made a fool of in front of
God by them.
"A wise [man] feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth,
and is confident." Proverb 14:16
Carol T
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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05 Jul 2004 02:22:47 PM |
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"Carol T" <cteasd5941@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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These are not atheists, they are Satanist's. Believe me, Satan
believes and knows of God and he will use you to do and say things
which you will come to regret. Do not be made a fool of in front of
God by them.
Not only that but if your fairy tales are true he was in trhe presence of
your god and decided not to stay around. In fact he apparently thought he wa
superior.
Is being in the presence of this god such a minor thing?
If I have a stick and you are locked up in an M1 Abrams I doubt I'd think I
could win a battle with you. If I were in a Centurion I might have a
different view.
So is your god presenting a visage similar to the man vs. tank or the tank
vs. tank?
How many people who went to heaven changed their minds and went to hell?
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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04 Jul 2004 06:33:45 AM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> astounded us with: news:nemo0037-
9EEAE3.05451704072004@news03.east.earthlink.net:
In article <MPG.1b513031b0e499319898b2@news.west.cox.net>,
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
I often see this quote on bumper stickers. My immediate thought is
"Well, atheists aren't perfect, either. But at least we don't need to be
forgiven by a *GAWD!* that doesn't exist."
But the true problem with some Chritsians (far too many, IMO) is that
they think that the only forgiveness they need be concerned about is
from *GAWD!* or their fellow Christians. They seem to think that anyone
else is just a "blind heathen sinner" and doesn't really count.
The words "arrogant" and "ignorant" come to mind, hmmm, arrignorant, or
ignarrogant???
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://forums.clickhalah.com/index.php
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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04 Jul 2004 06:41:52 AM |
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On 4 Jul 2004 11:33:45 GMT, "Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@hsotmail.com> wrote:
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> astounded us with: news:nemo0037-
9EEAE3.05451704072004@news03.east.earthlink.net:
In article <MPG.1b513031b0e499319898b2@news.west.cox.net>,
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
I often see this quote on bumper stickers. My immediate thought is
"Well, atheists aren't perfect, either. But at least we don't need to be
forgiven by a *GAWD!* that doesn't exist."
But the true problem with some Chritsians (far too many, IMO) is that
they think that the only forgiveness they need be concerned about is
from *GAWD!* or their fellow Christians. They seem to think that anyone
else is just a "blind heathen sinner" and doesn't really count.
The words "arrogant" and "ignorant" come to mind, hmmm, arrignorant, or
ignarrogant???
They're totally out of touch with the real world - when they behave
badly towards _me_ they have to apologise to _me_ and ask _me_ to
forgive them, and not do it again. Instead they expect _me_ to abide
by the voices in their head.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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04 Jul 2004 08:01:01 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> astounded us with:
news:85rfe01u0f65cq9vbt2hvl09m2mtprf8hm@4ax.com:
On 4 Jul 2004 11:33:45 GMT, "Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@hsotmail.com> wrote:
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> astounded us with:
news:nemo0037- 9EEAE3.05451704072004@news03.east.earthlink.net:
In article <MPG.1b513031b0e499319898b2@news.west.cox.net>,
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
I often see this quote on bumper stickers. My immediate thought is
"Well, atheists aren't perfect, either. But at least we don't need to
be forgiven by a *GAWD!* that doesn't exist."
But the true problem with some Chritsians (far too many, IMO) is that
they think that the only forgiveness they need be concerned about is
from *GAWD!* or their fellow Christians. They seem to think that
anyone else is just a "blind heathen sinner" and doesn't really count.
The words "arrogant" and "ignorant" come to mind, hmmm, arrignorant, or
ignarrogant???
They're totally out of touch with the real world - when they behave
badly towards _me_ they have to apologise to _me_ and ask _me_ to
forgive them, and not do it again. Instead they expect _me_ to abide
by the voices in their head.
Hmmm, voices inside their head, suggests that they are simpletons, easily
swayed by silver tongued charlatons, AKA, snake oil salesmen, AKA,
evangelists...
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://forums.clickhalah.com/index.php
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