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"Jason Gastrich" |
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06 Jan 2005 01:04:28 PM |
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Christians Arrested at Gay Rally |
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
Free the Philadelphia 4
December 20, 2004
by Joseph Farah
I'm amazed when seemingly intelligent people tell me they still think the
American Civil Liberties Union is a group that fights for First Amendment
freedoms no matter whose ox is being gored.
If that's the case, why is the ACLU not filing amicus briefs in Philadelphia
where four Christians are facing 47 years in jail for expressing their
free-speech rights?
That's right. Four Christians are facing 47 years in prison for peacefully
quoting the Bible, an action an unglued local prosecutor determined to be
"fighting words" when cited among homosexual activists.
It all started Oct. 10, when a total of 11 members of Repent America
attended a homosexual street festival called "Outfest."
The group, ranging in age from 17 to 72, was surrounded at times by the
organizers' security force, known as the "Pink Angels."
Videotapes and still photos taken at the event show the Pink Angels blocking
the path of the Repent America members, shouting at them, blowing whistles
and so forth. The Christians remain peaceful and calm at all times, despite
what appears to be extraordinary provocation, intimidation and harassment.
Guess who was arrested?
That's right. The Christians.
And they've been charged with a long list of felonies and hate crimes that
would make the Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
Repent America director Michael Marcavage is charged with three felonies -
criminal conspiracy, ethnic intimidation and riot. (If you're wondering what
"ethnic intimidation" means at a homosexual event, you have to understand
the city of Philadelphia has extended hate crime laws to protect the
sexually aberrant as well as racial minorities.) He was also hit with five
misdemeanors for walking on the city sidewalks and quoting Holy Scriptures.
Mark Diener and James Cruse are charged with criminal conspiracy, failure to
disperse, disorderly conduct and obstructing highways. Dennis Green is
charged with criminal conspiracy, disorderly conduct and obstructing
highways. The criminal conspiracy charge links all the defendants together
so that Marcavage's "ethnic intimidation" hate-crime charge will apply to
all of them.
This is one of the most brazen, frontal attacks on religious freedom and
free speech I have seen in my lifetime. If these charges stand, Christians
across America will soon be hunted down like dogs as they are in many parts
of the world today as the most persecuted religious group on the planet.
It's ironic that this persecution would take place in Philadelphia, the
so-called "City of Brotherly Love."
Of course, Philadelphia wasn't always so inhospitable to Christians.
It's worth remembering the very first legislative act in Pennsylvania, April
25, 1682. It was called the Great Law of Pennsylvania - and great it was.
"Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and
the end of government, and, therefore government itself is a venerable
ordinance of God ... [there shall be established] laws as shall best
preserve true Christian and civil liberty, in opposition to all unchristian,
licentious, and unjust practices, whereby God may have his due, and Caesar
his due, and the people their due, from tyranny and oppression."
If indeed the Philadelphia 4 are convicted and sentenced to hard time,
Christians need to march on the Philadelphia courthouse, encircle it, blow
the trumpets and prepare to watch God work a miracle like He did at Jericho.
We should do this not just for the injustice to the four Philadelphia
Christians, but because no one in America - not Christians or
non-Christians, not black or white, not homosexual or heterosexual - will
truly be free. We will be living in a country where people can be imprisoned
arbitrarily for breaking no law other than the law of "political
correctness."
If we're going to save freedom in America, it's going to take a miracle.
Will you come to Philadelphia?
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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06 Jan 2005 05:16:49 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:04:28 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Who gives a *****, Jason?
Don
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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07 Jan 2005 05:30:00 PM |
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In article <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason Gastrich
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
If we're going to save freedom in America, it's going to take a miracle.
Well, I agree with this part, anyway.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
(email: change out to in)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Jan 2005 03:17:55 PM |
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In our last episode <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
Michael Marcavage and his ilk deliberately provoke these situations so
they can look like they're being "persecuted" and so they can file
lawsuits. They're also affiliated with the "reconstructionists" who
essentially seek the overthrow of the United States government.
I don't support terrorists and I don't the ACLU should.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Jan 2005 03:43:01 PM |
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In our last episode <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
By the way, Mister Defender of Copyright, you do have explicit permission
from the copyright holder to redistribute this article don't you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "David" |
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06 Jan 2005 07:40:56 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
=A9 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
By the way, Mister Defender of Copyright, you do have explicit
permission
from the copyright holder to redistribute this article don't you?
We've got a couple of examples of Jason using different standards for
others that he doesn't apply to himself.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Jan 2005 08:00:12 PM |
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In our last episode
<1105062056.336638.282400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
By the way, Mister Defender of Copyright, you do have explicit
permission
from the copyright holder to redistribute this article don't you?
We've got a couple of examples of Jason using different standards for
others that he doesn't apply to himself.
Lil' Jason? Buddy of Jesus? A hypocrite?
No way!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "David" |
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07 Jan 2005 04:35:35 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode
<1105062056.336638.282400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lept
out of
the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
=A9 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
By the way, Mister Defender of Copyright, you do have explicit
permission
from the copyright holder to redistribute this article don't you?
We've got a couple of examples of Jason using different standards
for
others that he doesn't apply to himself.
Lil' Jason? Buddy of Jesus? A hypocrite?
No way!
Yes, way!
So much, in a way, that he's now removing all groups but
free.christians from his replies, even though he originally posted the
first message to three other groups.
Trying to get the last word, I think, with those not likely to be
reading just free.christians.
Jason all but killed that group, by the way, when his behavior drew the
ire of several Usenetizens and free.christians could not serve as a
haven - including from other christians with whom he had disagreed.
That's why he's trying to stir up a bit of traffic, and it's why he
even tells some questioners to start new threads - with older,
unanswered questions, mind you - in free.christians.
I say we oblige him.
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| User: "David D." |
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07 Jan 2005 10:37:31 AM |
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David wrote:
That's why he's trying to stir up a bit of traffic, and it's why he
even tells some questioners to start new threads - with older,
unanswered questions, mind you - in free.christians.
I say we oblige him.
It is certainly true that he provides us with a lot of rope. I notice
that free.christians is not advertised on JCSM.org so i think that even
Gastrich is aware of his situation on usenet. Maybe he sees usenet as
lions in his new world view. More scary, and unfortunately more
accurate, he may see usenet as equivalent to Pontius Pilate in his
world view. The second coming? You heard it here first.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:12:38 AM |
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In our last episode
<1105094134.984911.298430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode
<1105062056.336638.282400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lept
out of
the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
By the way, Mister Defender of Copyright, you do have explicit
permission
from the copyright holder to redistribute this article don't you?
We've got a couple of examples of Jason using different standards
for
others that he doesn't apply to himself.
Lil' Jason? Buddy of Jesus? A hypocrite?
No way!
Yes, way!
So much, in a way, that he's now removing all groups but free.christians
from his replies, even though he originally posted the first message to
three other groups.
Trying to get the last word, I think, with those not likely to be
reading just free.christians.
<snork>
Now why don't that surprise me?
Jason all but killed that group, by the way, when his behavior drew the
ire of several Usenetizens and free.christians could not serve as a
haven - including from other christians with whom he had disagreed.
Heh, I was one of the Usenetizens early on that went after him when he was
attempting to impose rules on a newsgroup in a hierarchy specifically
chartered to have no such rules.
http://www.killfile.org/faqs/free.html
"1. So, free.* has no rules then?
In essence, yes. More specifically, there is one rule: anybody can do
whatever they want, as long as it doesn't destroy somebody else's words.
What this means in practice:
- No cancel messages or any derivitives thereof are allowed within free.*.
If any are issued, they should not be honored.
- rmgroups should not be issued for any group in the free.* hierarchy.
- Servers should not filter their free.* feeds.
Other than that, everything is allowed by the hierarchy."
Gasbag floated a "FAQ" which even included him whining about naughty
words. He had NO business attempting to override the charter of the
*hierarchy trying to create a little fiefdom for himself.
I kept pointing to Skirvin's free.* hierarchy charter and telling people
(Christians and non) to cite it should Gasboy ever attempt to enforce his
"rules" on anybody.
Mister Free Speech tries to curtail speech he doesn't like. Even bitches
at people in alt.atheism for "cussing" at him. Apparently the limits of
free speech are "What lil' Jason finds personally to be icky."
Not to mention that bogus lawsuit against Butler. Gastrich is *quite
eager to suppress speech he doesn't like.
That's why he's trying to stir up a bit of traffic, and it's why he even
tells some questioners to start new threads - with older, unanswered
questions, mind you - in free.christians. I say we oblige him.
<snork>
Funny thing, though, is he appears to only be able to manage traffic by
people calling him on his incessant lying...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Jan 2005 09:37:04 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:12:38 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<1105094134.984911.298430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode
<1105062056.336638.282400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lept
out of
the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
By the way, Mister Defender of Copyright, you do have explicit
permission
from the copyright holder to redistribute this article don't you?
We've got a couple of examples of Jason using different standards
for
others that he doesn't apply to himself.
Lil' Jason? Buddy of Jesus? A hypocrite?
No way!
Yes, way!
So much, in a way, that he's now removing all groups but free.christians
from his replies, even though he originally posted the first message to
three other groups.
Trying to get the last word, I think, with those not likely to be
reading just free.christians.
<snork>
Now why don't that surprise me?
Jason all but killed that group, by the way, when his behavior drew the
ire of several Usenetizens and free.christians could not serve as a
haven - including from other christians with whom he had disagreed.
Heh, I was one of the Usenetizens early on that went after him when he was
attempting to impose rules on a newsgroup in a hierarchy specifically
chartered to have no such rules.
http://www.killfile.org/faqs/free.html
"1. So, free.* has no rules then?
In essence, yes. More specifically, there is one rule: anybody can do
whatever they want, as long as it doesn't destroy somebody else's words.
What this means in practice:
- No cancel messages or any derivitives thereof are allowed within free.*.
If any are issued, they should not be honored.
- rmgroups should not be issued for any group in the free.* hierarchy.
- Servers should not filter their free.* feeds.
Other than that, everything is allowed by the hierarchy."
Gasbag floated a "FAQ" which even included him whining about naughty
words. He had NO business attempting to override the charter of the
*hierarchy trying to create a little fiefdom for himself.
I kept pointing to Skirvin's free.* hierarchy charter and telling people
(Christians and non) to cite it should Gasboy ever attempt to enforce his
"rules" on anybody.
Mister Free Speech tries to curtail speech he doesn't like. Even bitches
at people in alt.atheism for "cussing" at him. Apparently the limits of
free speech are "What lil' Jason finds personally to be icky."
Not to mention that bogus lawsuit against Butler. Gastrich is *quite
eager to suppress speech he doesn't like.
That's why he's trying to stir up a bit of traffic, and it's why he even
tells some questioners to start new threads - with older, unanswered
questions, mind you - in free.christians. I say we oblige him.
<snork>
Funny thing, though, is he appears to only be able to manage traffic by
people calling him on his incessant lying...
Which isn't going to show any of the drivel he's got for sale in a
good light.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:20:05 AM |
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Uzytkownik "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1105094134.984911.298430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode
<1105062056.336638.282400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lept
out of
the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
By the way, Mister Defender of Copyright, you do have explicit
permission
from the copyright holder to redistribute this article don't you?
We've got a couple of examples of Jason using different standards
for
others that he doesn't apply to himself.
Lil' Jason? Buddy of Jesus? A hypocrite?
No way!
Yes, way!
So much, in a way, that he's now removing all groups but
free.christians from his replies, even though he originally posted the
first message to three other groups.
Trying to get the last word, I think, with those not likely to be
reading just free.christians.
Jason all but killed that group, by the way, when his behavior drew the
ire of several Usenetizens and free.christians could not serve as a
haven - including from other christians with whom he had disagreed.
To be fair, Brother Jason set it up, and what really nearly killed it was my
bad behaviour in the matter of Constance Vigilant.
After that, Brother Ariaan and Brother Don wouldn't talk to me any more, and
the only Christian who still fellowshipped with me and reckoned I hadn't
sinned the unforgiveable sin was Brother Jason.
Uncle Davey
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07 Jan 2005 10:21:19 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
Trying to get the last word, I think, with those not likely to be
reading just free.christians.
Jason all but killed that group, by the way, when his behavior drew
the
ire of several Usenetizens and free.christians could not serve as a
haven - including from other christians with whom he had disagreed.
To be fair, Brother Jason set it up, and what really nearly killed it
was my
bad behaviour in the matter of Constance Vigilant.
After that, Brother Ariaan and Brother Don wouldn't talk to me any
more, and
the only Christian who still fellowshipped with me and reckoned I
hadn't
sinned the unforgiveable sin was Brother Jason.
And you both tried to run off Bible Bob since he disagreed with your
theology. So much for freedom of speech. You don't find it worrying
that only Gastrich stood up for you from all the Christians in the
group?
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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07 Jan 2005 04:21:47 PM |
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"David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105114879.091153.220360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
Trying to get the last word, I think, with those not likely to be
reading just free.christians.
Jason all but killed that group, by the way, when his behavior drew
the
ire of several Usenetizens and free.christians could not serve as a
haven - including from other christians with whom he had disagreed.
To be fair, Brother Jason set it up, and what really nearly killed it
was my
bad behaviour in the matter of Constance Vigilant.
After that, Brother Ariaan and Brother Don wouldn't talk to me any
more, and
the only Christian who still fellowshipped with me and reckoned I
hadn't
sinned the unforgiveable sin was Brother Jason.
And you both tried to run off Bible Bob since he disagreed with your
theology. So much for freedom of speech. You don't find it worrying
that only Gastrich stood up for you from all the Christians in the
group?
Well Unitarian theology is not Christian theology, not since the Council of
Nicea. I had nothing against Bob as a human being, I thought he was a very
nice person, but when it came to his trying to disprove the deity of Christ
from scripture, he simply refused to listen to reason.
As to whether it worries me when many Christians will not forgive my
actions, of course it does.
It was Bill Clinton who said it best "Those who seek forgiveness ought to be
willing to grant it". When Christians don't forgive each other then I get
very worried indeed.
Uncle Davey
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09 Jan 2005 09:34:26 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:43:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <0ZfDd.62244$gd.11405@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
By the way, Mister Defender of Copyright, you do have explicit permission
from the copyright holder to redistribute this article don't you?
He doesn't.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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06 Jan 2005 07:15:40 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
I do not have personal knowledge of what happened, so I have no
opinion.
Free the Philadelphia 4
December 20, 2004
by Joseph Farah
I'm amazed when seemingly intelligent people tell me they still think the
American Civil Liberties Union is a group that fights for First Amendment
freedoms no matter whose ox is being gored.
(snip)
There is no way to know if the ACLU might have taken up this case,
because the charges have been dropped after the judge saw video tape
of the action on the street that lead to the arrests.
So you can calm down and stop feeling as persecuted gay people do.
--
John Popelish
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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06 Jan 2005 07:58:33 PM |
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John Popelish wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please
take a read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think
that the City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
I do not have personal knowledge of what happened, so I have no
opinion.
Free the Philadelphia 4
December 20, 2004
by Joseph Farah
I'm amazed when seemingly intelligent people tell me they still
think the American Civil Liberties Union is a group that fights for
First Amendment freedoms no matter whose ox is being gored.
(snip)
There is no way to know if the ACLU might have taken up this case,
because the charges have been dropped after the judge saw video tape
of the action on the street that lead to the arrests.
So you can calm down and stop feeling as persecuted gay people do.
If the charges have been dropped, then that is fantastic. If they were
dropped by a judge who saw the video tape, then so be it. That answers
several questions of mine.
Can you produce a link to some evidence about this?
Thanks,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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06 Jan 2005 08:15:02 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
If the charges have been dropped, then that is fantastic. If they were
dropped by a judge who saw the video tape, then so be it. That answers
several questions of mine.
Can you produce a link to some evidence about this?
Google news, "Repent America", sort by date. It's at the top.
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John Popelish
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Jan 2005 10:31:21 PM |
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In our last episode <41DDF0A6.D31375C7@rica.net>, John Popelish lept out
of the bushes shouting:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
If the charges have been dropped, then that is fantastic. If they were
dropped by a judge who saw the video tape, then so be it. That answers
several questions of mine.
Can you produce a link to some evidence about this?
Google news, "Repent America", sort by date. It's at the top.
They weren't all dropped. The ones on the video tape still face possible
prosecution for trying to incite a riot.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "David" |
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06 Jan 2005 01:20:49 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take
a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think
that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
Free the Philadelphia 4
December 20, 2004
< snip >
=A9 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
Jason, do you have the publisher's permission to repost this article in
these forums?
By the way, are you ever going to tell me who owns the copyright to the
picture of Michael Newdow that is on www.michaelnewdow.com ?
And how many times did you file against Durango Bill? How many times
was your filing rejected and why?
I gave you a link to Durango Bill's site, as currently hosted in Great
Britain and as it was on the web just before you DCMA'd Yahoo into
blocking it. What images do you claim are yours?
And here's a new question for you, Jason: How many times have you
acted as your own attorney in a civil action?
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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07 Jan 2005 08:57:28 AM |
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On 6 Jan 2005 11:20:49 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jason, do you have the publisher's permission to repost this article in
these forums?
Ah, the old DMCA... what a crock of *****. Since when do you need the
publisher's permission to show a newspaper article to a select group
of people?
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| User: "Little Me" |
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07 Jan 2005 12:34:01 PM |
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Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote in message
news:lq8tt0hvfu22ouoboalci3g7niusqjg1od@4ax.com...
On 6 Jan 2005 11:20:49 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jason, do you have the publisher's permission to repost this article in
these forums?
Oh please!
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| User: "Andrew Lias" |
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06 Jan 2005 01:35:10 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take
a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think
that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
Did they seek and recieve a permit for their counter-demonstration?
--
Andrew Lias
http://andrewlias.blogspot.com
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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06 Jan 2005 06:25:09 PM |
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In article <1105040110.942418.37710@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew Lias" <anrwlias@gmail.com> wrote:
-Jason Gastrich wrote:
-> You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take
-a
-> read.
->
-> Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think
-that the
-> City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
-
-Did they seek and recieve a permit for their counter-demonstration?
And how is shouting thru a bull-hrn cinsidered "peaceful"?
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
Take my polls
http://ninure.100megsfree5.com
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
The Bible Site - help provide free scripture
http://www.thebiblesite.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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| User: "Andrew Lias" |
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08 Jan 2005 12:11:51 PM |
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Ninure Saunders wrote:
In article <1105040110.942418.37710@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew Lias" <anrwlias@gmail.com> wrote:
-Jason Gastrich wrote:
-> You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please
take
-a
-> read.
->
-> Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think
-that the
-> City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
-
-Did they seek and recieve a permit for their counter-demonstration?
And how is shouting thru a bull-hrn cinsidered "peaceful"?
I don't recall saying that I considered it anything of the sort,
Ninure.
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Andrew Lias
http://andrewlias.blogspot.com
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| User: "sanguinevikings" |
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06 Jan 2005 01:59:21 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
No, I don't. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of being martyrs.
They are not facing jail because they are christians, they are probably
not facing jail at all, even if they refuse to plea-bargain, which, as
they are hell bent on martyrdom, they obviously intend to.
Their presence on that day was confrontational and provocative in
itself, because they were there to condemn all the participants of a
lawful assembly as being bound for hell. This associated them
intrinsically with the likes of Fred Phelps, who deliberately stirs up
hatred by demonstrating at people's funerals.
You secretly know all this, or you wouldn't be asking. I can certainly
dig out quotes from Adolf Hitler that exactly resemble the squeals of
these nasty little bigots. It has certainly all been said by the KKK and
other American neo-nazis when they get stopped from peddling their
hatred and bile.
They, and you, need re-educating.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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06 Jan 2005 02:08:12 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0000, sanguinevikings <spam@spam.not>
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
No, I don't. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of being martyrs.
They are not facing jail because they are christians, they are probably
not facing jail at all, even if they refuse to plea-bargain, which, as
they are hell bent on martyrdom, they obviously intend to.
Too many Christians imagine that they are in trouble for being
Christian, rather than for breaking whatever local laws.
All the authorities see, is the law-breaking and trouble-making. And
in the USA are most likely to Christian themselves.
It's those doing it who make the connection with Christianity, not
those arresting them for it.
Their presence on that day was confrontational and provocative in
itself, because they were there to condemn all the participants of a
lawful assembly as being bound for hell. This associated them
intrinsically with the likes of Fred Phelps, who deliberately stirs up
hatred by demonstrating at people's funerals.
You secretly know all this, or you wouldn't be asking. I can certainly
dig out quotes from Adolf Hitler that exactly resemble the squeals of
these nasty little bigots. It has certainly all been said by the KKK and
other American neo-nazis when they get stopped from peddling their
hatred and bile.
They, and you, need re-educating.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christians Arrested at Gay Rally |
06 Jan 2005 03:41:42 PM |
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In our last episode <2g6rt053bdlo37f0qi0k69mckbv0u0cdlb@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:59:21 +0000, sanguinevikings <spam@spam.not> wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think that
the City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
No, I don't. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of being martyrs.
They are not facing jail because they are christians, they are probably
not facing jail at all, even if they refuse to plea-bargain, which, as
they are hell bent on martyrdom, they obviously intend to.
Too many Christians imagine that they are in trouble for being Christian,
rather than for breaking whatever local laws.
All the authorities see, is the law-breaking and trouble-making. And in
the USA are most likely to Christian themselves.
It's those doing it who make the connection with Christianity, not those
arresting them for it.
Michael Marcavage regularly provokes these confrontations and even seems
quite proud that his website contains an entire *page of legal actions
he's involved with.
His activities are quite positively regarded and reported by
"reconstructionists" who seek what is essentially the overthrow of the
United States government and the replacing of same with a theocratic
system.
This has nothing to do with Christianity. This is part of a political
power grab.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Ash" |
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07 Jan 2005 09:07:06 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Would a group of atheists who attended a Christian rally and shouted
"death to Christian scum, you all deserve to die, someone kill them" be
arrested?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Jan 2005 10:03:08 AM |
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In our last episode <crm8in$hu5$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Ash lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Would a group of atheists who attended a Christian rally and shouted
"death to Christian scum, you all deserve to die, someone kill them" be
arrested?
And would Gastrich defend them?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "raven1" |
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06 Jan 2005 06:26:25 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:04:28 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
If these charges stand, Christians
across America will soon be hunted down like dogs as they are in many parts
of the world today as the most persecuted religious group on the planet.
You have got to be fucking joking. America is the most hyper-religious
country outside of the Muslim theocracies, with a bunch of
fundamentalist Christian loons in charge to boot, and you think you're
in danger of being persecuted? What fucking drugs are you on?
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| User: "Eris" |
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06 Jan 2005 01:21:57 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:04:28 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
Free the Philadelphia 4
December 20, 2004
by Joseph Farah
I'm amazed when seemingly intelligent people tell me they still think the
American Civil Liberties Union is a group that fights for First Amendment
freedoms no matter whose ox is being gored.
If that's the case, why is the ACLU not filing amicus briefs in Philadelphia
where four Christians are facing 47 years in jail for expressing their
free-speech rights?
I would have to see the video tapes, Christian extremist are noted for
their violence.
That's right. Four Christians are facing 47 years in prison for peacefully
quoting the Bible,
Like death to all homosexuals?
an action an unglued local prosecutor determined to be
"fighting words" when cited among homosexual activists.
It all started Oct. 10, when a total of 11 members of Repent America
attended a homosexual street festival called "Outfest."
The group, ranging in age from 17 to 72, was surrounded at times by the
organizers' security force, known as the "Pink Angels."
Videotapes and still photos taken at the event show the Pink Angels blocking
the path of the Repent America members, shouting at them, blowing whistles
and so forth. The Christians remain peaceful and calm at all times, despite
what appears to be extraordinary provocation, intimidation and harassment.
Guess who was arrested?
That's right. The Christians.
And they've been charged with a long list of felonies and hate crimes that
would make the Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
Repent America director Michael Marcavage is charged with three felonies -
criminal conspiracy, ethnic intimidation and riot. (If you're wondering what
"ethnic intimidation" means at a homosexual event, you have to understand
the city of Philadelphia has extended hate crime laws to protect the
sexually aberrant as well as racial minorities.) He was also hit with five
misdemeanors for walking on the city sidewalks and quoting Holy Scriptures.
Mark Diener and James Cruse are charged with criminal conspiracy, failure to
disperse, disorderly conduct and obstructing highways. Dennis Green is
charged with criminal conspiracy, disorderly conduct and obstructing
highways. The criminal conspiracy charge links all the defendants together
so that Marcavage's "ethnic intimidation" hate-crime charge will apply to
all of them.
This is one of the most brazen, frontal attacks on religious freedom and
free speech I have seen in my lifetime. If these charges stand, Christians
across America will soon be hunted down like dogs as they are in many parts
of the world today as the most persecuted religious group on the planet.
It's ironic that this persecution would take place in Philadelphia, the
so-called "City of Brotherly Love."
Of course, Philadelphia wasn't always so inhospitable to Christians.
It's worth remembering the very first legislative act in Pennsylvania, April
25, 1682. It was called the Great Law of Pennsylvania - and great it was.
"Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and
the end of government, and, therefore government itself is a venerable
ordinance of God ... [there shall be established] laws as shall best
preserve true Christian and civil liberty, in opposition to all unchristian,
licentious, and unjust practices, whereby God may have his due, and Caesar
his due, and the people their due, from tyranny and oppression."
If indeed the Philadelphia 4 are convicted and sentenced to hard time,
Christians need to march on the Philadelphia courthouse, encircle it, blow
the trumpets and prepare to watch God work a miracle like He did at Jericho.
We should do this not just for the injustice to the four Philadelphia
Christians, but because no one in America - not Christians or
non-Christians, not black or white, not homosexual or heterosexual - will
truly be free. We will be living in a country where people can be imprisoned
arbitrarily for breaking no law other than the law of "political
correctness."
I will feel quite free, if religious nuts are prevented from attacking
groups that do not agree with them.
If we're going to save freedom in America, it's going to take a miracle.
Will you come to Philadelphia?
No, I was there once. How did it get the name, city of brotherly love?
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
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06 Jan 2005 02:34:25 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:04:28 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
Free the Philadelphia 4
December 20, 2004
by Joseph Farah
I'm amazed when seemingly intelligent people tell me they still think the
American Civil Liberties Union is a group that fights for First Amendment
freedoms no matter whose ox is being gored.
If that's the case, why is the ACLU not filing amicus briefs in Philadelphia
where four Christians are facing 47 years in jail for expressing their
free-speech rights?
That's right. Four Christians are facing 47 years in prison for peacefully
quoting the Bible, an action an unglued local prosecutor determined to be
"fighting words" when cited among homosexual activists.
It all started Oct. 10, when a total of 11 members of Repent America
attended a homosexual street festival called "Outfest."
The group, ranging in age from 17 to 72, was surrounded at times by the
organizers' security force, known as the "Pink Angels."
Videotapes and still photos taken at the event show the Pink Angels blocking
the path of the Repent America members, shouting at them, blowing whistles
and so forth. The Christians remain peaceful and calm at all times, despite
what appears to be extraordinary provocation, intimidation and harassment.
Guess who was arrested?
That's right. The Christians.
And they've been charged with a long list of felonies and hate crimes that
would make the Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
Repent America director Michael Marcavage is charged with three felonies -
criminal conspiracy, ethnic intimidation and riot. (If you're wondering what
"ethnic intimidation" means at a homosexual event, you have to understand
the city of Philadelphia has extended hate crime laws to protect the
sexually aberrant as well as racial minorities.) He was also hit with five
misdemeanors for walking on the city sidewalks and quoting Holy Scriptures.
Mark Diener and James Cruse are charged with criminal conspiracy, failure to
disperse, disorderly conduct and obstructing highways. Dennis Green is
charged with criminal conspiracy, disorderly conduct and obstructing
highways. The criminal conspiracy charge links all the defendants together
so that Marcavage's "ethnic intimidation" hate-crime charge will apply to
all of them.
This is one of the most brazen, frontal attacks on religious freedom and
free speech I have seen in my lifetime. If these charges stand, Christians
across America will soon be hunted down like dogs as they are in many parts
of the world today as the most persecuted religious group on the planet.
It's ironic that this persecution would take place in Philadelphia, the
so-called "City of Brotherly Love."
Of course, Philadelphia wasn't always so inhospitable to Christians.
It's worth remembering the very first legislative act in Pennsylvania, April
25, 1682. It was called the Great Law of Pennsylvania - and great it was.
"Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and
the end of government, and, therefore government itself is a venerable
ordinance of God ... [there shall be established] laws as shall best
preserve true Christian and civil liberty, in opposition to all unchristian,
licentious, and unjust practices, whereby God may have his due, and Caesar
his due, and the people their due, from tyranny and oppression."
If indeed the Philadelphia 4 are convicted and sentenced to hard time,
Christians need to march on the Philadelphia courthouse, encircle it, blow
the trumpets and prepare to watch God work a miracle like He did at Jericho.
We should do this not just for the injustice to the four Philadelphia
Christians, but because no one in America - not Christians or
non-Christians, not black or white, not homosexual or heterosexual - will
truly be free. We will be living in a country where people can be imprisoned
arbitrarily for breaking no law other than the law of "political
correctness."
If we're going to save freedom in America, it's going to take a miracle.
Will you come to Philadelphia?
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
Well first of all, world nut daily is notorious for not reporting the
facts, so you really can't rely on anything they post.
Second, your christians weren't charged with expressing themselves,
they were charged with acting out in a way that harmed the public and
the public's right to pass.
I'm sorry you think that doing all those things is only OK if you are
a Christian.
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