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"Jason Gastrich" |
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06 Jan 2005 01:04:28 PM |
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Christians Arrested at Gay Rally |
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please take a
read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think that the
City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
Free the Philadelphia 4
December 20, 2004
by Joseph Farah
I'm amazed when seemingly intelligent people tell me they still think the
American Civil Liberties Union is a group that fights for First Amendment
freedoms no matter whose ox is being gored.
If that's the case, why is the ACLU not filing amicus briefs in Philadelphia
where four Christians are facing 47 years in jail for expressing their
free-speech rights?
That's right. Four Christians are facing 47 years in prison for peacefully
quoting the Bible, an action an unglued local prosecutor determined to be
"fighting words" when cited among homosexual activists.
It all started Oct. 10, when a total of 11 members of Repent America
attended a homosexual street festival called "Outfest."
The group, ranging in age from 17 to 72, was surrounded at times by the
organizers' security force, known as the "Pink Angels."
Videotapes and still photos taken at the event show the Pink Angels blocking
the path of the Repent America members, shouting at them, blowing whistles
and so forth. The Christians remain peaceful and calm at all times, despite
what appears to be extraordinary provocation, intimidation and harassment.
Guess who was arrested?
That's right. The Christians.
And they've been charged with a long list of felonies and hate crimes that
would make the Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
Repent America director Michael Marcavage is charged with three felonies -
criminal conspiracy, ethnic intimidation and riot. (If you're wondering what
"ethnic intimidation" means at a homosexual event, you have to understand
the city of Philadelphia has extended hate crime laws to protect the
sexually aberrant as well as racial minorities.) He was also hit with five
misdemeanors for walking on the city sidewalks and quoting Holy Scriptures.
Mark Diener and James Cruse are charged with criminal conspiracy, failure to
disperse, disorderly conduct and obstructing highways. Dennis Green is
charged with criminal conspiracy, disorderly conduct and obstructing
highways. The criminal conspiracy charge links all the defendants together
so that Marcavage's "ethnic intimidation" hate-crime charge will apply to
all of them.
This is one of the most brazen, frontal attacks on religious freedom and
free speech I have seen in my lifetime. If these charges stand, Christians
across America will soon be hunted down like dogs as they are in many parts
of the world today as the most persecuted religious group on the planet.
It's ironic that this persecution would take place in Philadelphia, the
so-called "City of Brotherly Love."
Of course, Philadelphia wasn't always so inhospitable to Christians.
It's worth remembering the very first legislative act in Pennsylvania, April
25, 1682. It was called the Great Law of Pennsylvania - and great it was.
"Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and
the end of government, and, therefore government itself is a venerable
ordinance of God ... [there shall be established] laws as shall best
preserve true Christian and civil liberty, in opposition to all unchristian,
licentious, and unjust practices, whereby God may have his due, and Caesar
his due, and the people their due, from tyranny and oppression."
If indeed the Philadelphia 4 are convicted and sentenced to hard time,
Christians need to march on the Philadelphia courthouse, encircle it, blow
the trumpets and prepare to watch God work a miracle like He did at Jericho.
We should do this not just for the injustice to the four Philadelphia
Christians, but because no one in America - not Christians or
non-Christians, not black or white, not homosexual or heterosexual - will
truly be free. We will be living in a country where people can be imprisoned
arbitrarily for breaking no law other than the law of "political
correctness."
If we're going to save freedom in America, it's going to take a miracle.
Will you come to Philadelphia?
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christians Arrested at Gay Rally |
06 Jan 2005 10:35:19 PM |
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In our last episode <4XlDd.62274$gd.24099@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
Eric Gill wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3xhDd.62249$gd.49359@twister.socal.rr.com:
Kate wrote:
<snip>
Well first of all, world nut daily is notorious for not reporting the
facts, so you really can't rely on anything they post.
Second, your christians weren't charged with expressing themselves,
they were charged with acting out in a way that harmed the public and
the public's right to pass.
I'm sorry you think that doing all those things is only OK if you are
a Christian.
I'm not familiar with World Net Daily,
They are a recent concoction, about three notches to the right of the
John Birch boys.
What passes for "reporting" with Wing Nut Daily rarely stands up to
scrutiny; their editorials are even worse.
but many news companies have
this story.
Not really. I had to skim through four full google pages of enraged
fundamentalist sites before I found a single mainstream source.
Your second point
That's not clear.
and last sentence are incorrect.
And neither is that. The ACLU has a long record of defending pretty much
anyone. Can you say the same - truthfully?
If the answer is yes, we will of course want to see some real evidence
of such.
<snip>
Then why isn't the ACLU representing the Christians?
If you can't see that ACLU is part of the liberal and gay agenda, then you
can't see much at all. It's as plain as day.
Could you give some examples of the ACLU defending fundamentalist
Christians?
Do you have any evidence they were even asked?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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| User: "David" |
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07 Jan 2005 05:10:53 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Eric Gill wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3xhDd.62249$gd.49359@twister.socal.rr.com:
Kate wrote:
<snip>
Well first of all, world nut daily is notorious for not reporting
the facts, so you really can't rely on anything they post.
Second, your christians weren't charged with expressing
themselves,
they were charged with acting out in a way that harmed the public
and the public's right to pass.
I'm sorry you think that doing all those things is only OK if you
are a Christian.
I'm not familiar with World Net Daily,
They are a recent concoction, about three notches to the right of
the
John Birch boys.
What passes for "reporting" with Wing Nut Daily rarely stands up to
scrutiny; their editorials are even worse.
but many news companies have
this story.
Not really. I had to skim through four full google pages of enraged
fundamentalist sites before I found a single mainstream source.
Your second point
That's not clear.
and last sentence are incorrect.
And neither is that. The ACLU has a long record of defending pretty
much anyone. Can you say the same - truthfully?
If the answer is yes, we will of course want to see some real
evidence of such.
<snip>
Then why isn't the ACLU representing the Christians?
That's a pretty broad statement to make about a large group that is
national in scope and has been around a while.
Are you SURE that the ACLU has never represented christians and does
not represent christians?
Part and parcel of the ACLU mission, Jason, is to represent repressed
minorities which, in case you haven't noticed, is also part of the
reason for the Bill of Rights.
Protect the minorities from the majority.
If you can't see that ACLU is part of the liberal and gay agenda,
then you
can't see much at all. It's as plain as day.
Ah, another bit of sloganeering.
Tell me, Jason: What IS the "gay agenda?"
What is the "liberal agenda?"
Do you really know? Or is this just another example of you repeating
things you don't fully understand?
Could you give some examples of the ACLU defending fundamentalist
Christians?
Oh, specifically now, we're talking about FUNDAMENTALIST christians!
First tell me why you are interested.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:16:09 AM |
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In our last episode
<1105096253.524432.111240@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Are you SURE that the ACLU has never represented christians and does not
represent christians?
They have.
Of course the ACLU isn't omniscient. They don't magically appear in court
to defend people. You actually have to pick up a phone and ask them to
take your case. One has to wonder, did these alleged Christians ask the
ACLU to do anything at all?
Dishonest slime like Gastrich are trying to smear the ACLU by asking why
they're not defending people who didn't call them and ask to be defended...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:50:12 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:16:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
"It is only religion, the great bond of love and duty to God, that makes any
existence valuable or even tolerable."
- Horace Bushnell
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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| Title: Re: Christians Arrested at Gay Rally |
08 Jan 2005 08:59:31 AM |
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In article <04but0plv76mmfsecubiq25i319nm78ha6@4ax.com>, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
-On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:16:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
-<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
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->"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
-> by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-> -- Seneca the Younger
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-"It is only religion, the great bond of love and duty to God, that makes any
-existence valuable or even tolerable."
-- Horace Bushnell
Those who do not think about their own sins make up for it by thinking
incessantly about the sins of others.
--C. S. Lewis (God in the Dock, "Miserable Offenders," p. 124)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jan 2005 08:50:27 AM |
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In our last episode <04but0plv76mmfsecubiq25i319nm78ha6@4ax.com>, George
Peatty lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:16:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the
Younger
"It is only religion, the great bond of love and duty to God, that makes
any existence valuable or even tolerable." - Horace Bushnell
That's one of the saddest things I've ever read. I pity him.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Jan 2005 09:24:03 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:50:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <04but0plv76mmfsecubiq25i319nm78ha6@4ax.com>, George
Peatty lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:16:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the
Younger
"It is only religion, the great bond of love and duty to God, that makes
any existence valuable or even tolerable." - Horace Bushnell
That's one of the saddest things I've ever read. I pity him.
Indeed. There isn't anything a human can do for an omni critter that
isn't more efficient and faster done by itself. But then having that
position towards a bronze age fantasy figure is well beyond any bounds
of reason.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Jan 2005 09:03:06 AM |
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In our last episode <l6t3u0l9bkedf5qeu3q8a023ke7e277tju@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:50:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <04but0plv76mmfsecubiq25i319nm78ha6@4ax.com>, George
Peatty lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:16:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the
Younger
"It is only religion, the great bond of love and duty to God, that
makes any existence valuable or even tolerable." - Horace Bushnell
That's one of the saddest things I've ever read. I pity him.
Indeed. There isn't anything a human can do for an omni critter that
isn't more efficient and faster done by itself. But then having that
position towards a bronze age fantasy figure is well beyond any bounds of
reason.
For myself, it strikes me as dehumanizing. Creating "meaning" is a
hallmark of being human. To be unable or unwilling to engage in that very
human behavior is rather abdicating ones own humanity...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Jan 2005 10:01:20 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:03:06 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <l6t3u0l9bkedf5qeu3q8a023ke7e277tju@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:50:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <04but0plv76mmfsecubiq25i319nm78ha6@4ax.com>, George
Peatty lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:16:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the
Younger
"It is only religion, the great bond of love and duty to God, that
makes any existence valuable or even tolerable." - Horace Bushnell
That's one of the saddest things I've ever read. I pity him.
Indeed. There isn't anything a human can do for an omni critter that
isn't more efficient and faster done by itself. But then having that
position towards a bronze age fantasy figure is well beyond any bounds of
reason.
For myself, it strikes me as dehumanizing. Creating "meaning" is a
hallmark of being human. To be unable or unwilling to engage in that very
human behavior is rather abdicating ones own humanity...
There is that aspect as well which can be seen in the terminal
inhumanity of so many 'Christians.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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07 Jan 2005 08:04:14 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:50:12 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:16:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
"It is only religion, the great bond of love and duty to God, that makes any
existence valuable or even tolerable."
- Horace Bushnell
"The go get fucked by your loving god."
-Aj circa 2005
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Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Jan 2005 09:12:47 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:50:12 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:16:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
"It is only religion, the great bond of love and duty to God, that makes any
existence valuable or even tolerable."
- Horace Bushnell
Was there a point you were valiantly attempting to make or were you
simply demonstrating you're an idiot by responding to someone's sig
file?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Grinder" |
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07 Jan 2005 03:03:11 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Then why isn't the ACLU representing the Christians?
From Philidelphia Daily News (registration required):
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/10586941.htm
"From a First Amendment perspective, it does appear
to be overreaching," said the ACLU's Larry Frankel. His
group has not been asked to intervene, he said.
Could you give some examples of the ACLU defending
fundamentalist Christians?
I can remember something from a few years ago, but will work to give a
specific reference. In the meantime, however, I might suggest some
explanations for the dearth of examples.
1) This most recent case withstanding, I've not seen other cases where
Christian groups have been censored by government edict. Although it
is often conflated, the pursuit of a state/church seperation does not
equate to an excoriation of public worship.
2) In those cases where religious speech is genuinely being censored,
assuming that this happens, the violated party may have little interest
in being represented by the ACLU. This organization has attained the
appearance of being pro-homosexual and anti-religion. Although I
believe this pallor is the result of a perspective so simplistic as to
be wrong, it is nonetheless commonly repeated. It would hardly be
surprising that a religious organization would not want to risk being
tainted by the association.
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| User: "Grinder" |
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07 Jan 2005 08:17:32 AM |
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In a previous episode, Grinder wrote:
I can remember something from a few years
ago, but will work to give a specific reference.
Here it is:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=508&page=384#t*
http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/595/abstract
http://www.willamette.edu/~blong/ReligionandLaw/Lambs.html
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Jan 2005 08:18:07 AM |
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In our last episode
<1105088591.341876.268120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Grinder lept out
of the bushes shouting:
I can remember something from a few years ago, but will work to give a
specific reference. In the meantime, however, I might suggest some
explanations for the dearth of examples.
How about this?
http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=16125&c=86
"The Indiana Civil Liberties Union announced today that it has filed a
lawsuit to stop city officials' unconstitutional infringements on the free
speech rights of a Baptist preacher and his congregation.
"In its lawsuit, the ICLU charges that Pastor John Lewis and his
congregants from the Old Paths Baptist Church were repeatedly threatened
with arrest and/or citation by the Scottsburg Police Department for using
megaphones during anti-abortion demonstrations. Police officials told
Pastor Lewis that they were concerned about the possible reaction of
passersby who hear his message."
Given this case, if Marcavage *asked the ACLU, they might just defend him
and his gang of thugs. I don't think they should but they might consider
the case a violation of free speech rights. IF somebody ASKED them.
And here:
http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=10206&c=42
"The American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts and a local attorney
today filed a First Amendment lawsuit against the Massachusetts Bay
Transportation Authority (MBTA) for removing subway advertisements
promoting the views of a local church and refusing to sell additional
advertising space to the church."
....
"The church, represented by the ACLU and Boston civil rights attorney
Harvey Schwartz, seeks an injunction ordering the transit authority to
sell them advertising space and prohibiting officials from using a vague
advertising policy to filter out ad campaigns it finds objectionable."
Rather related:
http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=10248&c=42
"ACLU Defends California Artist After Los Angeles Orders Removal of 'God
Bless America' Mural"
Definitely related even if done on behalf of a Muslim:
http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=10255&c=42
"His client, Abdul-Rabb, added, 'I want to make sure that neither this
Mayor, nor another City official who in the future might dislike me, the
Muslim Journal, or any other viewpoint will be able to interfere with
people's right to spread the gospel, be it Islam, Judaism, Christianity
or some other faith.'"
And since we're talking "hate crimes:"
http://www.aclu.org/LesbianGayRights/LesbianGayRights.cfm?ID=7383&c=102
"The ACLU said it would work to amend the bill on the Senate floor to
prevent prosecution based on 'mere abstract beliefs' or 'mere membership
in an organization.' If the Senate adopts an amendment to protect First
Amendment rights, the ACLU said it would endorse the hate crimes
legislation."
And, of course, to believe the position of the liars about the ACLU, you
have to willfully ignore all the cases that have *impact on Christians
even if the case isn't brought *by a Christian. There are *multiple cases
(so many I'm just not going to spend time citing them, this post would be
huge) of the ACLU defending the right of people to do such things as
distribute literature, use megaphones, say things other people don't like.
What *idiots like Gastrich can never get through their dense heads is that
the attack campaign being waged against the ACLU is *because the ACLU will
defend anybody. Which upsets the radical Christianists. It gets in the way
of their agenda.
While I was Googling around, I ran across one rabid anti-ACLU rant (with
numerous uses of the word "Nazi" in it). The radical Christianist was
pissed that the director of the local ACLU wrote a letter to the editor
criticizing... you ready?
A vehemently anti-Catholic speech.
There were no lawsuits nor legal maneuvering I'm aware of in this case.
*Just a letter to the editor. But just that sent this little radical
Chrisitanist into a livid fit of rage and spittle. He wanted the ACLU
destroyed because they might defend Christian groups FROM EACH OTHER.
The anti-ACLU group has no intention of stopping with gays and abortion.
Those are just the beginning of their agenda. They do intend to get around
to people with "incorrect" doctrine and need the ACLU out of the way so
they can impose "biblical law" on us all. Other theists and "not REAL
Christians" included...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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07 Jan 2005 03:22:01 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:52:00 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Then why isn't the ACLU representing the Christians?
To my knowledge the ACLU does not represent people willfully
committing a criminal act.
For example, should the KKK legally organize a march through
Peanutville and get into trouble, the ACLU would probably defend their
right to march.
If the KKK burns a cross in front of a church to scare away the
niggahs, they will not.
Surely you are not that ignorant?
If you can't see that ACLU is part of the liberal and gay agenda, then you
can't see much at all. It's as plain as day.
I think we both need new glasses. It is not plain as day. Not to sane
people, mind you.
Could you give some examples of the ACLU defending fundamentalist
Christians?
Contact the ACLU. They'd be happy to inform you.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:20:25 AM |
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In our last episode <30lst0dhrvs6qnr7epqigcr28tn68sruft@4ax.com>, Jos
Flachs lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:52:00 GMT, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Then why isn't the ACLU representing the Christians?
To my knowledge the ACLU does not represent people willfully committing
a criminal act.
For example, should the KKK legally organize a march through Peanutville
and get into trouble, the ACLU would probably defend their right to
march.
In fact, they have defended the right of the KKK to *peacefully march. It
was quite the notorious case. The ACLU has also defended street preachers
right to be on public property.
The ACLU isn't, however, omniscient nor are they imbued with magical
powers. Somebody has to *ask them to help. While they may, on their own
and without being asked, be able to file friend of the court briefs on a
case of interest, they still have to *know about the case. They don't
have a "spidey sense." And they certainly cannot take a case without being
ASKED to.
It's a cute, dishonest little maneuver of the fundies. Smear the ACLU for
not defending people who didn't ask the ACLU to defend them.
If the KKK burns a cross in front of a church to scare away the niggahs,
they will not.
Surely you are not that ignorant?
He's at least that dishonest.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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09 Jan 2005 09:09:39 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:22:01 +0700, Jos Flachs
<"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:52:00 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Then why isn't the ACLU representing the Christians?
To my knowledge the ACLU does not represent people willfully
committing a criminal act.
For example, should the KKK legally organize a march through
Peanutville and get into trouble, the ACLU would probably defend their
right to march.
The ACLU had done just that.
If the KKK burns a cross in front of a church to scare away the
niggahs, they will not.
Surely you are not that ignorant?
He is.
If you can't see that ACLU is part of the liberal and gay agenda, then you
can't see much at all. It's as plain as day.
I think we both need new glasses. It is not plain as day. Not to sane
people, mind you.
Could you give some examples of the ACLU defending fundamentalist
Christians?
Contact the ACLU. They'd be happy to inform you.
GASP! Expecting Jason to get off his fat ***** and *do* something?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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07 Jan 2005 02:50:06 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:52:00 GMT, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Could you give some examples of the ACLU defending fundamentalist
Christians?
Could you give me some examples of them representing the Taleban?
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Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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07 Jan 2005 04:47:03 PM |
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Levy Oates wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:52:00 GMT, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Could you give some examples of the ACLU defending fundamentalist
Christians?
Could you give me some examples of them representing the Taleban?
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Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Will the KKK and Rush Limbaugh do?
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EAC Liar, Damned Liar, and Statistician
alt.atheist #1966
"Statistical thinking will one day be as necessary for efficient
citizenship as the ability to read and write." - H.G. Wells
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09 Jan 2005 09:03:51 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:50:06 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:52:00 GMT, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Could you give some examples of the ACLU defending fundamentalist
Christians?
Could you give me some examples of them representing the Taleban?
Fundamentalist Christians *are* the American Taliban.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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06 Jan 2005 03:25:15 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Kate wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:04:28 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please
take a read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think
that the City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
Free the Philadelphia 4
December 20, 2004
by Joseph Farah
I'm amazed when seemingly intelligent people tell me they still
think the American Civil Liberties Union is a group that fights for
First Amendment freedoms no matter whose ox is being gored.
If that's the case, why is the ACLU not filing amicus briefs in
Philadelphia where four Christians are facing 47 years in jail for
expressing their free-speech rights?
That's right. Four Christians are facing 47 years in prison for
peacefully quoting the Bible, an action an unglued local prosecutor
determined to be "fighting words" when cited among homosexual
activists.
It all started Oct. 10, when a total of 11 members of Repent America
attended a homosexual street festival called "Outfest."
The group, ranging in age from 17 to 72, was surrounded at times by
the organizers' security force, known as the "Pink Angels."
Videotapes and still photos taken at the event show the Pink Angels
blocking the path of the Repent America members, shouting at them,
blowing whistles and so forth. The Christians remain peaceful and
calm at all times, despite what appears to be extraordinary
provocation, intimidation and harassment.
Guess who was arrested?
That's right. The Christians.
And they've been charged with a long list of felonies and hate
crimes that would make the Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
Repent America director Michael Marcavage is charged with three
felonies - criminal conspiracy, ethnic intimidation and riot. (If
you're wondering what "ethnic intimidation" means at a homosexual
event, you have to understand the city of Philadelphia has extended
hate crime laws to protect the sexually aberrant as well as racial
minorities.) He was also hit with five misdemeanors for walking on
the city sidewalks and quoting Holy Scriptures.
Mark Diener and James Cruse are charged with criminal conspiracy,
failure to disperse, disorderly conduct and obstructing highways.
Dennis Green is charged with criminal conspiracy, disorderly conduct
and obstructing highways. The criminal conspiracy charge links all
the defendants together so that Marcavage's "ethnic intimidation"
hate-crime charge will apply to all of them.
This is one of the most brazen, frontal attacks on religious freedom
and free speech I have seen in my lifetime. If these charges stand,
Christians across America will soon be hunted down like dogs as they
are in many parts of the world today as the most persecuted
religious group on the planet.
It's ironic that this persecution would take place in Philadelphia,
the so-called "City of Brotherly Love."
Of course, Philadelphia wasn't always so inhospitable to Christians.
It's worth remembering the very first legislative act in
Pennsylvania, April 25, 1682. It was called the Great Law of
Pennsylvania - and great it was.
"Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the
reason and the end of government, and, therefore government itself
is a venerable ordinance of God ... [there shall be established]
laws as shall best preserve true Christian and civil liberty, in
opposition to all unchristian, licentious, and unjust practices,
whereby God may have his due, and Caesar his due, and the people
their due, from tyranny and oppression."
If indeed the Philadelphia 4 are convicted and sentenced to hard
time, Christians need to march on the Philadelphia courthouse,
encircle it, blow the trumpets and prepare to watch God work a
miracle like He did at Jericho.
We should do this not just for the injustice to the four Philadelphia
Christians, but because no one in America - not Christians or
non-Christians, not black or white, not homosexual or heterosexual -
will truly be free. We will be living in a country where people can
be imprisoned arbitrarily for breaking no law other than the law of
"political correctness."
If we're going to save freedom in America, it's going to take a
miracle.
Will you come to Philadelphia?
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
Well first of all, world nut daily is notorious for not reporting the
facts, so you really can't rely on anything they post.
Second, your christians weren't charged with expressing themselves,
they were charged with acting out in a way that harmed the public and
the public's right to pass.
I'm sorry you think that doing all those things is only OK if you are
a Christian.
I'm not familiar with World Net Daily, but many news companies have this
story.
Your second point and last sentence are incorrect. Here are the charges:
The counts read to them by the bail commissioner included:
1.. "ethnic intimidation" (2nd-degree felony "hate crime").
2.. "criminal conspiracy" (1st-degree felony).
3.. "possession of instruments of crime" (1st-degree misdemeanor).
4.. "reckless endangerment of another person" (2nd-degree felony).
5.. "riot" (3rd-degree felony).
6.. "failure to disperse" (2nd-degree misdemeanor).
7.. "disorderly conduct" (2nd-degree misdemeanor).
8.. "obstructing a highway" (3rd-degree misdemeanor).,
They were clearly charged with more things than you know (or said).
Citation: http://www.cwfa.org/articles/6522/CFI/family/
The primary question here is whether or not justice was served and whether
or not is should be a crime to speak against homosexuality in public.
Those are two questions. First, we don't know if justice is served until
after the court case. I don't see anyone being charged in your list above
for speaking out in public against homosexuality. Second, and I'm not clear
on American laws on such things, but it seems to me people DO speak out
against homosexuality all the time in the States, such as on various church
shows. No one gets charged for saying it is against god's will to be a
homosexual, but there is such a thing as crossing a line. I would suspect
the people charged in this case crossed that line, most likely by issuing
direct threats. I would certainly not trust your unreliable and biased
reprting of an incident you did not attend for the background to this story,
I will wait for details from an objective news source and during the trial.
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06 Jan 2005 04:55:16 PM |
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In our last episode <%0iDd.1846$L_6.408@edtnps91>, Neil Kelsey lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Those are two questions. First, we don't know if justice is served until
after the court case. I don't see anyone being charged in your list above
for speaking out in public against homosexuality. Second, and I'm not
clear on American laws on such things, but it seems to me people DO speak
out against homosexuality all the time in the States, such as on various
church shows. No one gets charged for saying it is against god's will to
be a homosexual, but there is such a thing as crossing a line. I would
suspect the people charged in this case crossed that line, most likely by
issuing direct threats. I would certainly not trust your unreliable and
biased reprting of an incident you did not attend for the background to
this story, I will wait for details from an objective news source and
during the trial.
The group in question goes around deliberately provoking confrontations so
they can claim "persecution" and sue.
They're so proud of being trouble makers, they list all the legal actions
they're involved in...
http://www.repentamerica.com/legalproceedings.html
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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06 Jan 2005 06:49:27 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:grCdnVpviMVVXUDcRVn-3g@megapath.net...
In our last episode <%0iDd.1846$L_6.408@edtnps91>, Neil Kelsey lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Those are two questions. First, we don't know if justice is served until
after the court case. I don't see anyone being charged in your list above
for speaking out in public against homosexuality. Second, and I'm not
clear on American laws on such things, but it seems to me people DO speak
out against homosexuality all the time in the States, such as on various
church shows. No one gets charged for saying it is against god's will to
be a homosexual, but there is such a thing as crossing a line. I would
suspect the people charged in this case crossed that line, most likely by
issuing direct threats. I would certainly not trust your unreliable and
biased reprting of an incident you did not attend for the background to
this story, I will wait for details from an objective news source and
during the trial.
The group in question goes around deliberately provoking confrontations so
they can claim "persecution" and sue.
They're so proud of being trouble makers, they list all the legal actions
they're involved in...
http://www.repentamerica.com/legalproceedings.html
Thanks. Did you see this "Letter from an Atheist" on their site? Seems kinda
made-up to me. No atheist in his right mind would egg on these lobotomy
victims to go out and save people.
http://www.repentamerica.com/letterfromateist.html
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06 Jan 2005 07:20:06 PM |
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In our last episode <r0lDd.53354$dv1.5448@edtnps89>, Neil Kelsey lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:grCdnVpviMVVXUDcRVn-3g@megapath.net...
In our last episode <%0iDd.1846$L_6.408@edtnps91>, Neil Kelsey lept out
of the bushes shouting:
Those are two questions. First, we don't know if justice is served
until after the court case. I don't see anyone being charged in your
list above for speaking out in public against homosexuality. Second,
and I'm not clear on American laws on such things, but it seems to me
people DO speak out against homosexuality all the time in the States,
such as on various church shows. No one gets charged for saying it is
against god's will to be a homosexual, but there is such a thing as
crossing a line. I would suspect the people charged in this case
crossed that line, most likely by issuing direct threats. I would
certainly not trust your unreliable and biased reprting of an incident
you did not attend for the background to this story, I will wait for
details from an objective news source and during the trial.
The group in question goes around deliberately provoking confrontations
so they can claim "persecution" and sue.
They're so proud of being trouble makers, they list all the legal
actions they're involved in...
http://www.repentamerica.com/legalproceedings.html
Thanks. Did you see this "Letter from an Atheist" on their site? Seems
kinda made-up to me. No atheist in his right mind would egg on these
lobotomy victims to go out and save people.
http://www.repentamerica.com/letterfromateist.html
Oh that's definitely made up crap. But when you start talking about the
reconstructionists, you are talking about people who far beyond simple
deception. They are traitors. They'll lie to anybody and everybody to gain
political power.
The only difference between them and bin Laden is the "reconstructionists"
believe they can achieve their goals via legislation, courts, and ballots.
Soon as they decide that isn't possible, the violence will begin. *Just as
it did with the Muslim Brotherhood...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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06 Jan 2005 05:30:23 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3xhDd.62249$gd.49359@twister.socal.rr.com...
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:04:28 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
You may already be familiar with this situation. If not, please
take a read.
Do you agree with these Christians being jailed? Or do you think
that the City of Philadelphia has gone to far? Why or why not?
Free the Philadelphia 4
December 20, 2004
by Joseph Farah
I'm amazed when seemingly intelligent people tell me they still
think the American Civil Liberties Union is a group that fights for
First Amendment freedoms no matter whose ox is being gored.
If that's the case, why is the ACLU not filing amicus briefs in
Philadelphia where four Christians are facing 47 years in jail for
expressing their free-speech rights?
That's right. Four Christians are facing 47 years in prison for
peacefully quoting the Bible, an action an unglued local prosecutor
determined to be "fighting words" when cited among homosexual
activists.
It all started Oct. 10, when a total of 11 members of Repent America
attended a homosexual street festival called "Outfest."
The group, ranging in age from 17 to 72, was surrounded at times by
the organizers' security force, known as the "Pink Angels."
Videotapes and still photos taken at the event show the Pink Angels
blocking the path of the Repent America members, shouting at them,
blowing whistles and so forth. The Christians remain peaceful and
calm at all times, despite what appears to be extraordinary
provocation, intimidation and harassment.
Guess who was arrested?
That's right. The Christians.
And they've been charged with a long list of felonies and hate
crimes that would make the Founding Fathers spin in their graves.
Repent America director Michael Marcavage is charged with three
felonies - criminal conspiracy, ethnic intimidation and riot. (If
you're wondering what "ethnic intimidation" means at a homosexual
event, you have to understand the city of Philadelphia has extended
hate crime laws to protect the sexually aberrant as well as racial
minorities.) He was also hit with five misdemeanors for walking on
the city sidewalks and quoting Holy Scriptures.
Mark Diener and James Cruse are charged with criminal conspiracy,
failure to disperse, disorderly conduct and obstructing highways.
Dennis Green is charged with criminal conspiracy, disorderly conduct
and obstructing highways. The criminal conspiracy charge links all
the defendants together so that Marcavage's "ethnic intimidation"
hate-crime charge will apply to all of them.
This is one of the most brazen, frontal attacks on religious freedom
and free speech I have seen in my lifetime. If these charges stand,
Christians across America will soon be hunted down like dogs as they
are in many parts of the world today as the most persecuted
religious group on the planet.
It's ironic that this persecution would take place in Philadelphia,
the so-called "City of Brotherly Love."
Of course, Philadelphia wasn't always so inhospitable to Christians.
It's worth remembering the very first legislative act in
Pennsylvania, April 25, 1682. It was called the Great Law of
Pennsylvania - and great it was.
"Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the
reason and the end of government, and, therefore government itself
is a venerable ordinance of God ... [there shall be established]
laws as shall best preserve true Christian and civil liberty, in
opposition to all unchristian, licentious, and unjust practices,
whereby God may have his due, and Caesar his due, and the people
their due, from tyranny and oppression."
If indeed the Philadelphia 4 are convicted and sentenced to hard
time, Christians need to march on the Philadelphia courthouse,
encircle it, blow the trumpets and prepare to watch God work a
miracle like He did at Jericho.
We should do this not just for the injustice to the four Philadelphia
Christians, but because no one in America - not Christians or
non-Christians, not black or white, not homosexual or heterosexual -
will truly be free. We will be living in a country where people can
be imprisoned arbitrarily for breaking no law other than the law of
"political correctness."
If we're going to save freedom in America, it's going to take a
miracle.
Will you come to Philadelphia?
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Posted: December 20, 2004
Well first of all, world nut daily is notorious for not reporting the
facts, so you really can't rely on anything they post.
Second, your christians weren't charged with expressing themselves,
they were charged with acting out in a way that harmed the public and
the public's right to pass.
I'm sorry you think that doing all those things is only OK if you are
a Christian.
I'm not familiar with World Net Daily, but many news companies have this
story.
Your second point and last sentence are incorrect. Here are the charges:
The counts read to them by the bail commissioner included:
The primary question here is whether or not justice was served and whether
or not is should be a crime to speak against homosexuality in public.
Regards,
Jason
Of course it should be. You're a disgusting individual to suggest
otherwise.
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1.. "ethnic intimidation" (2nd-degree felony "hate crime").
2.. "criminal conspiracy" (1st-degree felony).
3.. "possession of instruments of crime" (1st-degree misdemeanor).
4.. "reckless endangerment of another person" (2nd-degree felony).
5.. "riot" (3rd-degree felony).
6.. "failure to disperse" (2nd-degree misdemeanor).
7.. "disorderly conduct" (2nd-degree misdemeanor).
8.. "obstructing a highway" (3rd-degree misdemeanor).,
They were clearly charged with more things than you know (or said).
Citation: http://www.cwfa.org/articles/6522/CFI/family/
The primary question here is whether or not justice was served and whether
or not is should be a crime to speak against homosexuality in public.
1: We do not care
2: fu** off and die
3: See 2
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06 Jan 2005 04:43:11 PM |
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In our last episode <3xhDd.62249$gd.49359@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
I'm not familiar with World Net Daily, but many news companies have this
story.
I have a hard time believing you're not familiar with WND. And if you
aren't familiar with them, why are you relying on them?
Also, no, it's not "many news companies." It's "a few extremist Christian
sites."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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06 Jan 2005 05:55:52 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <3xhDd.62249$gd.49359@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
I'm not familiar with World Net Daily, but many news companies have
this
story.
I have a hard time believing you're not familiar with WND. And if you
aren't familiar with them, why are you relying on them?
Also, no, it's not "many news companies." It's "a few extremist
Christian
sites."
Similarly the Madison misquotes and other such things are mainly from
fundamentalist web sites. Sources Gastrich trusts.
Gastrich has a thing with numbers, the more he sees something the more
reliable it is. It does not seem to bother him that all these sites
are parroting each other. It is clear that Gastrich does not search
for quality information.
In the same way JCSM.org bombards us with quanity (60,000 pages no
less) with no consideration for quality. Apparently this is the
philosophy of whom ever shouts loudest must be correct. It's scary
that in politics it works so well.
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06 Jan 2005 09:04:33 PM |
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In our last episode <1105055752.413368.7820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
David D. lept out of the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <3xhDd.62249$gd.49359@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
I'm not familiar with World Net Daily, but many news companies have
this
story.
I have a hard time believing you're not familiar with WND. And if you
aren't familiar with them, why are you relying on them?
Also, no, it's not "many news companies." It's "a few extremist
Christian
sites."
Similarly the Madison misquotes and other such things are mainly from
fundamentalist web sites. Sources Gastrich trusts.
Gastrich has a thing with numbers, the more he sees something the more
reliable it is. It does not seem to bother him that all these sites are
parroting each other. It is clear that Gastrich does not search for
quality information.
In the same way JCSM.org bombards us with quanity (60,000 pages no less)
with no consideration for quality. Apparently this is the philosophy of
whom ever shouts loudest must be correct. It's scary that in politics it
works so well.
He does have the mentality and moral sense of a bully. It doesn't surprise
me he also thinks in terms of the biggest gang wins...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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06 Jan 2005 07:55:15 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <3xhDd.62249$gd.49359@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
I'm not familiar with World Net Daily, but many news companies have
this story.
I have a hard time believing you're not familiar with WND. And if you
aren't familiar with them, why are you relying on them?
They are one of many organizations that reported the story.
Also, no, it's not "many news companies." It's "a few extremist
Christian sites."
Not true. Regardless, it's a news story and an important issue.
Regards,
Jason
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
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