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Religions > Atheism |
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"Jesus Penis" |
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11 Apr 2004 11:05:31 PM |
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Christians Do Not Accept Free Will |
Christians don't believe their own liturgy. If they did they wouldn't
be so quick to demand that non-believers accept their religious
intolerance. Instead they make public proclamations that non-believers
are not good Americans, or that non-believers are out to destroy our
way of life.
I find that these propositions lack any credibility based on one of
the basic tenants of Christianity: the concept of free will.
Christians do not accept this principle the way they accept Jesus'
resurrection. Ask any Christian whether they believe Jesus rose from
the dead and they will look at you like you are a nutcase. Ask them if
they believe in free will and you get a different look all together.
They accept the principle without really believing in it.
Consider your basic fundamentalist Christian. They believe that all
non-believers are unworthy of their respect. This is at odds with
their core beliefs, but they engage in this blasphemy without a care.
They fail to realize that by not accepting my 'free will', they deny
that it exists. By denying my 'free will', they deny free will exists
for anyone.
They use the power of the State to compel me to believe their
theological views. I am forced to read "In God We Trust" on State
buildings and coins as though *I* accept that view. They make this
proclamation without regard for my 'free will'. They pass laws that
require children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, despite the fact
that compelling someone to recite *anything* forces them to give up
their 'free will'. In every case, Christians do not follow their own
religious tenants. They work against their own beliefs in order to
exert power over a religious minority.
By refusing to acknowledge my 'free will', Christians destroy the
foundations of their own religion while destroying our great nation.
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| User: "That Big, Pink Fuzzy Thing - me as seen by my mice" |
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| Title: Re: Christians Do Not Accept Free Will |
12 Apr 2004 08:18:01 AM |
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Dude, subject should be "Most fundamentalist Christians do not accept
free will". Most Christians in general aren't actually as bad as the
picture you're painting here, it's the radical, zealous hyper-fundies
you have to worry about.
In alt.atheism on Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:05:31 -0700, Jesus' Penis
<jesusfuckingchrist@christnet.com> wrote:
Instead they make public proclamations that non-believers
are not good Americans, or that non-believers are out to destroy our
way of life.
In one sense of the phrase, I sort of _am_ out to destroy the way of
life that's come to dominate this country (The U.S.) - it's a way of
intolerance and bigotry, hatred and malice. A way imposed, in other
words, by hyper fundie Christians. If ever a thing deserved to die,
that would be it. Either that particular way of life must die, or a
future oblivion can't be too far on the horizon - ie fundamentalists
are determined to fulfill all their holy book's prophecies no matter
the toll because they can't _stand_ the notion that maybe they might
possibly be wrong. But does this mean what fundies probably believe
it means? No. Those aspects of fundamentalism I have problems with
are aspects that many Christians also find problematic. Namely, the
rampant hate, intolerance and bigotry which has come to be a virtual
bagpipe contest among the many drek-spewing sects. If you haven't a
grudge against the entire planet on behalf of your imaginary friend,
then you're not a "True Christian(TM)" in today's world according to
hate mongerers like Robertson or Fallwell. Their attitudes are just
about as sick as they've ever been in the entire crusading, 'witch'-
burning history of the religion.
But please, try to give credit where credit is due. Christianity as
a whole has actually improved quite a bit since those days, and most
modern Christians are actually decent people. As more of them begin
to join in resistance of this religious highjacking, they're getting
even better. Don't paint the whole batch one color because like the
blank white canvas which doubles as a picture of a polar bear in the
snow, you can't see them any more when you do that. You only end up
seeing see what your mind wants to see, not what's really there.
I find that these propositions lack any credibility based on one of
the basic tenants of Christianity: the concept of free will.
Christians do not accept this principle the way they accept Jesus'
resurrection. Ask any Christian whether they believe Jesus rose from
the dead and they will look at you like you are a nutcase. Ask them if
they believe in free will and you get a different look all together.
They accept the principle without really believing in it.
Pardon me? This doesn't make sense. Are you saying that Christians
in general don't honestly believe that Jesus rose from the dead? :-?
Even more liberal ones generally tend to believe that, as far as I'm
aware, and so I'm not sure I get what you're trying to say here. If
If I've misunderstood your meaning, I'd be appreciative if you could
re-phrase the above.
Consider your basic fundamentalist Christian.
Do I really have to? ;-)
<snip>
By refusing to acknowledge my 'free will', Christians destroy the
foundations of their own religion while destroying our great nation.
"Our great nation" doesn't really exist. It's a figment of societal
imagination. Every nation is a nation of people, and all are equals
so long as they respect everyone else's equality, too.
Reiterate: I agree with you, but only regarding more radical fundie
Christians. Not the whole (or even most of the) religion.
--
L8r,
Bill
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| User: "JJ" |
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| Title: Re: Christians Do Not Accept Free Will |
11 Apr 2004 11:27:27 PM |
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Satan loves you
Jesus' Penis wrote:
Christians don't believe their own liturgy. If they did they wouldn't
be so quick to demand that non-believers accept their religious
intolerance. Instead they make public proclamations that non-believers
are not good Americans, or that non-believers are out to destroy our
way of life.
I find that these propositions lack any credibility based on one of
the basic tenants of Christianity: the concept of free will.
Christians do not accept this principle the way they accept Jesus'
resurrection. Ask any Christian whether they believe Jesus rose from
the dead and they will look at you like you are a nutcase. Ask them if
they believe in free will and you get a different look all together.
They accept the principle without really believing in it.
Consider your basic fundamentalist Christian. They believe that all
non-believers are unworthy of their respect. This is at odds with
their core beliefs, but they engage in this blasphemy without a care.
They fail to realize that by not accepting my 'free will', they deny
that it exists. By denying my 'free will', they deny free will exists
for anyone.
They use the power of the State to compel me to believe their
theological views. I am forced to read "In God We Trust" on State
buildings and coins as though *I* accept that view. They make this
proclamation without regard for my 'free will'. They pass laws that
require children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, despite the fact
that compelling someone to recite *anything* forces them to give up
their 'free will'. In every case, Christians do not follow their own
religious tenants. They work against their own beliefs in order to
exert power over a religious minority.
By refusing to acknowledge my 'free will', Christians destroy the
foundations of their own religion while destroying our great nation.
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: Christians Do Not Accept Free Will |
12 Apr 2004 09:00:45 AM |
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"JJ" <planetj7@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1Roec.17861$951.10015@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Satan loves you
And you've just proved his entire point below.
Jesus' Penis wrote:
Christians don't believe their own liturgy. If they did they wouldn't
be so quick to demand that non-believers accept their religious
intolerance. Instead they make public proclamations that non-believers
are not good Americans, or that non-believers are out to destroy our
way of life.
I find that these propositions lack any credibility based on one of
the basic tenants of Christianity: the concept of free will.
Christians do not accept this principle the way they accept Jesus'
resurrection. Ask any Christian whether they believe Jesus rose from
the dead and they will look at you like you are a nutcase. Ask them if
they believe in free will and you get a different look all together.
They accept the principle without really believing in it.
Consider your basic fundamentalist Christian. They believe that all
non-believers are unworthy of their respect. This is at odds with
their core beliefs, but they engage in this blasphemy without a care.
They fail to realize that by not accepting my 'free will', they deny
that it exists. By denying my 'free will', they deny free will exists
for anyone.
They use the power of the State to compel me to believe their
theological views. I am forced to read "In God We Trust" on State
buildings and coins as though *I* accept that view. They make this
proclamation without regard for my 'free will'. They pass laws that
require children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, despite the fact
that compelling someone to recite *anything* forces them to give up
their 'free will'. In every case, Christians do not follow their own
religious tenants. They work against their own beliefs in order to
exert power over a religious minority.
By refusing to acknowledge my 'free will', Christians destroy the
foundations of their own religion while destroying our great nation.
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| User: "Juan*Jimenez" |
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| Title: Re: Christians Do Not Accept Free Will |
12 Apr 2004 12:16:52 AM |
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JJ <planetj7@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:1Roec.17861$951.10015
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Satan loves you
Moron alert!
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