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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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20 Jan 2005 07:31:09 AM |
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Christians shifting condoms |
From The Associated Press, 1/18/05:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-spain-catholics-condoms,0,991656..story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
Catholic Church Shifts Policy on Condoms
By Associated Press
MADRID, Spain --
In a substantial shift from traditional policy, the Catholic Church in
Spain has said it supports the use of condoms to prevent the spread of
AIDS.
"Condoms have a place in the global prevention of AIDS," Juan Antonio
Martinez Campos, spokesman for the Spanish Bishops Conference, told
reporters after a meeting Tuesday with Health Minister Elena Salgado
to discuss ways of fighting the disease.
The Catholic Church has repeatedly rebuffed campaigns for it to
endorse the use of condoms in the fight against AIDS.
The Vatican states that condoms, because it is a form of artificial
birth control, cannot be used to help prevent the spread of HIV, the
virus that causes AIDS.
Martinez Campos said the church's stance was backed by the scientific
world.
He cited a recent study by experts in the medical magazine Lancet that
supported the so-called "ABC" approach of abstinence, being faithful
to partners and using condoms.
"The Church is very worried and interested by this problem," he said.
The change in view was welcomed by the Spanish Federation of Lesbians,
Gays, Transsexuals and Bisexuals.
"I think it was absolutely inevitable that the Church would change its
stance," said federation president Beatriz Gimeno.
The leading daily El Pais pointed out that as recently as November the
Spanish Bishops Conference had vehemently opposed the Health
Ministry's campaign to promote the use of condoms.
The paper quoted Martinez Campos as saying then that it was "gravely
false" to maintain that contraceptives prevented the spread of HIV.
In June, the president of the Pontifical Council for the Family,
Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, said condom use was "a form of
Russian roulette" in fighting AIDS, El Pais said.
The remark was roundly condemned by the Spanish government, the World
Health Organization and other organizations involved in fighting AIDS,
the papers said.
The United Left parliamentary coalition described the change in stance
as "a historic advance."
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| User: "phy" |
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| Title: Re: Christians shifting condoms |
22 Jan 2005 12:47:19 PM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:10uucu0sunk6f80@corp.supernews.com:
From The Associated Press, 1/18/05:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-spain-catholics-con
doms,0,991656..story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
Catholic Church Shifts Policy on Condoms
Here is my shifted policy on condoms. Never, ever flush them down the
toilet. Not even if it drains directly into the public sewer system.
Someone (I won't say who) was once told it was ok to do this but not flush
them if you have a septic tank. Someone was misinformed.
-phy
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| User: "sanguinevikings" |
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| Title: Re: Christians shifting condoms |
20 Jan 2005 10:25:38 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
From The Associated Press, 1/18/05:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-spain-catholics-condoms,0,991656..story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
Catholic Church Shifts Policy on Condoms
By Associated Press
MADRID, Spain --
In a substantial shift from traditional policy, the Catholic Church in
Spain has said it supports the use of condoms to prevent the spread of
AIDS.
Why? Have altar boys started going down with it?
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Christians shifting condoms |
21 Jan 2005 12:39:50 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:16:20 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 19 Jan 2005 21:45:14 -0800, "Michael Altarriba" <mikealt@gmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Wow! Let's see how the rest of the Catholic world responds...
He'll be transferred to an internal post at the Vatican and the whole
thing will be hushed up.
Or promoted (becoming bishop or cardinal) to a remote insignificant
territory.
Bishop Gijssen (NL bisshop) became cardinal of Iceland that way.
If memory recalls, Iceland is somewhere near 98% Lutheran on a
population of say 400.000.
Assuming everybody else is RCC, his entire flock is less than 10.000.
I know city parishes with a bigger congregation in it. With a humble
priest running the joint.
Go figure.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christians shifting condoms |
21 Jan 2005 02:55:25 PM |
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Jos Flachs wrote:
Bishop Gijssen (NL bisshop) became cardinal of Iceland that way.
If memory recalls, Iceland is somewhere near 98% Lutheran on a
population of say 400.000.
85.5 % Lutheran, population just under 300 000.
Assuming everybody else is RCC, his entire flock is less than 10.000.
The Catholic members are 5 775.
I know city parishes with a bigger congregation in it. With a humble
priest running the joint.
Go figure.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: Christians shifting condoms |
20 Jan 2005 06:06:00 PM |
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johac wrote:
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A senior prelate insisted that the Vatican continued to condemn the use
of condoms as "contrary to Catholic morality"
Wow! Did an RCC bigwig just admit that morality is relative?!
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Christians shifting condoms |
21 Jan 2005 06:29:13 AM |
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In article <35aa8kF4l29fcU1@individual.net>,
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
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A senior prelate insisted that the Vatican continued to condemn the use
of condoms as "contrary to Catholic morality"
Wow! Did an RCC bigwig just admit that morality is relative?!
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I think that the RCC in good Orwellian tradition will claim that
whatever moral position they take today has always been their moral
position.
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television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Solomon \You Dirty Mother\ Kozanski" |
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| Title: Re: Christians shifting condoms |
20 Jan 2005 02:17:58 PM |
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uh, i thought xtians *like* HIV. it gets rid of godless heathens and other
assorted unchurched types.
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