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User: "Neil Kelsey"
Date: 24 Dec 2004 02:49:23 PM
Object: Christmas Questions
I forget, were Joseph and Mary married? Or was she an unwed mother while
pregnant with god's son? What was the punishment at that time in the Jewish
tradition for a) giving birth out of wedlock and b) adultery? Either way,
wasn't god fooling around in a sinful way, according to his own rules? I'm
thinking that christianity is largely founded on a myth (virgin birth) that
actually involved a woman who was lying about her pregnancy to stay out of
trouble. The real father was probably some prominent married local whom Mary
was trying to protect. Mary was either totally hot and/or Joseph was totally
hideous, or stupid, in order for him to buy her lame story about god getting
her pregnant.
.

User: "Witziges Rätsel"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 25 Dec 2004 08:00:54 AM

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married? Or was she an unwed mother while
pregnant with god's son? What was the punishment at that time in the
Jewish
tradition for a) giving birth out of wedlock and b) adultery? Either way,
wasn't god fooling around in a sinful way, according to his own rules? I'm
thinking that christianity is largely founded on a myth (virgin birth)
that actually involved a woman who was lying about her pregnancy to stay
out of trouble. The real father was probably some prominent married local
whom Mary
was trying to protect. Mary was either totally hot and/or Joseph was
totally
hideous, or stupid, in order for him to buy her lame story about god
getting her pregnant.

Let us not forget Elizabeth, Mary's cousin and probable
rival for their grandpa's affection. Liz was already pregnant
with an alleged prophet when Mary began growing fruit in
her womb. Not to be out done, Mary threw the claim in Liz's
face, "My child is the offspring of a holy ghost."
.
User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 25 Dec 2004 09:55:51 AM
In article <cqjssi$pdo$1@news.chatlink.com>,
says...

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married? Or was she an unwed mother while
pregnant with god's son? What was the punishment at that time in the
Jewish
tradition for a) giving birth out of wedlock and b) adultery? Either way,
wasn't god fooling around in a sinful way, according to his own rules? I'm
thinking that christianity is largely founded on a myth (virgin birth)
that actually involved a woman who was lying about her pregnancy to stay
out of trouble. The real father was probably some prominent married local
whom Mary
was trying to protect. Mary was either totally hot and/or Joseph was
totally
hideous, or stupid, in order for him to buy her lame story about god
getting her pregnant.


Let us not forget Elizabeth, Mary's cousin and probable
rival for their grandpa's affection. Liz was already pregnant
with an alleged prophet when Mary began growing fruit in
her womb. Not to be out done, Mary threw the claim in Liz's
face, "My child is the offspring of a holy ghost."

To which Lizzie probably counterd that at least she got her poon
plundered good and proper by a real man and had an orgasm to boot. Of
course, the only "immaculate" thing about Mary was probably that she was
forcing her clients to use a sheep skin condom, which obviously ruptured
when she was gettin it on with roman centurion "Biggus Dickus".
--
____________________________________________________
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.


User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 24 Dec 2004 10:37:54 PM
In article <nh%yd.9525$Y72.8978@edtnps91>,
says...

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married?

I believe that technically Joseph had a one year lease on Mary's booty
with an option to buy. This contrasts to the normal arrangement where
Mary rented it out by the hour. That latter practice is probably how
she ended up pregnant out of wedlock.

Or was she an unwed mother while
pregnant with god's son?

As I've said here before, you really only have two viable options: (1)
A miracle took place between her legs or (2) She was a lying *****.
Option (2) is astronomically more likely. Sometimes a third option is
invoked that some poorly understood natural process allowed her to
become pregnant (i.e. parthenogenesis), but that's also incredibly
unlikely.

What was the punishment at that time in the Jewish
tradition for a) giving birth out of wedlock and b) adultery?

The penalties were certainly severe enough to motivate a ***** to lie,
even if her lie was on the order of "my dog ate my homework" or in her
case, "God ate my *****".

Either way,
wasn't god fooling around in a sinful way, according to his own rules?

Technically, the Hebrew god was entitled to get married. But Yahweh
should have objected to Joseph cuckolding him. After all, this is a
being who admits that it is a jealous god. Yet, according to the bible,
Jesus had brothers and sisters.

I'm
thinking that christianity is largely founded on a myth

What was your first clue :))?

(virgin birth) that
actually involved a woman who was lying about her pregnancy to stay out of
trouble.

Gee, ya really think so? :) I guess a lie is worth a try when the
alternative is being stoned to death.

The real father was probably some prominent married local whom Mary
was trying to protect.

Or Mary was banging Roman soldiers and anyone else with a shekel or two
of pocket change.

Mary was either totally hot

Likely her main attributes were being young, dumb and willing. In a
culture of extreme sexual repression I'm sure that some undersexed Hebs
would have banged a shaved monkey if you put it in a burka. So
actually, Mary, like most whores, was probably not particularly
attractive.

and/or Joseph was totally
hideous, or stupid, in order for him to buy her lame story about god getting
her pregnant.

Yeah, well the bible claims that angels told him in a dream that he
should believe the ***** that Mary was shovelling. I suspect that Mary
might have been whispering a fair amount of this into his ear when he
was sleeping :).
--
____________________________________________________
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 25 Dec 2004 03:21:15 PM
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:37:54 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <nh%yd.9525$Y72.8978@edtnps91>,

says...

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married?


I believe that technically Joseph had a one year lease on Mary's booty
with an option to buy. This contrasts to the normal arrangement where
Mary rented it out by the hour. That latter practice is probably how
she ended up pregnant out of wedlock.

And Michael Douglas is paying Catherine Zeta-Jones one million per
year for each year they're married.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 26 Dec 2004 11:41:49 AM
In article <9amrs053tptk39kp6d0h12r428k65kib2m@4ax.com>,

says...

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:37:54 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <nh%yd.9525$Y72.8978@edtnps91>,

says...

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married?


I believe that technically Joseph had a one year lease on Mary's booty
with an option to buy. This contrasts to the normal arrangement where
Mary rented it out by the hour. That latter practice is probably how
she ended up pregnant out of wedlock.


And Michael Douglas is paying Catherine Zeta-Jones one million per
year for each year they're married.

I'm not sure that the bluebook value is that high for used merchandise.
He should at least get a discount as it depreciates. Of course, he's
depreciating at a pretty alarming rate himself.
--
____________________________________________________
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 27 Dec 2004 02:13:33 PM
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:41:49 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <9amrs053tptk39kp6d0h12r428k65kib2m@4ax.com>,


says...

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:37:54 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <nh%yd.9525$Y72.8978@edtnps91>,

says...

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married?


I believe that technically Joseph had a one year lease on Mary's booty
with an option to buy. This contrasts to the normal arrangement where
Mary rented it out by the hour. That latter practice is probably how
she ended up pregnant out of wedlock.


And Michael Douglas is paying Catherine Zeta-Jones one million per
year for each year they're married.


I'm not sure that the bluebook value is that high for used merchandise.
He should at least get a discount as it depreciates. Of course, he's
depreciating at a pretty alarming rate himself.

That could be why she charged so much.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 27 Dec 2004 02:50:17 PM
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:13:33 -0800, stoney <
> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:41:49 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <9amrs053tptk39kp6d0h12r428k65kib2m@4ax.com>,


says...

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:37:54 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <nh%yd.9525$Y72.8978@edtnps91>,

says...

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married?


I believe that technically Joseph had a one year lease on Mary's booty
with an option to buy. This contrasts to the normal arrangement where
Mary rented it out by the hour. That latter practice is probably how
she ended up pregnant out of wedlock.


And Michael Douglas is paying Catherine Zeta-Jones one million per
year for each year they're married.


I'm not sure that the bluebook value is that high for used merchandise.
He should at least get a discount as it depreciates. Of course, he's
depreciating at a pretty alarming rate himself.


That could be why she charged so much.

I've always liked her, ever since her days on British television
before she turned to movies. Get hold of The Darling Buds of May
series if you can.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 28 Dec 2004 05:34:14 PM
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:50:17 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:13:33 -0800, stoney <

> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:41:49 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <9amrs053tptk39kp6d0h12r428k65kib2m@4ax.com>,


says...

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:37:54 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <nh%yd.9525$Y72.8978@edtnps91>,

says...

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married?


I believe that technically Joseph had a one year lease on Mary's booty
with an option to buy. This contrasts to the normal arrangement where
Mary rented it out by the hour. That latter practice is probably how
she ended up pregnant out of wedlock.


And Michael Douglas is paying Catherine Zeta-Jones one million per
year for each year they're married.


I'm not sure that the bluebook value is that high for used merchandise.
He should at least get a discount as it depreciates. Of course, he's
depreciating at a pretty alarming rate himself.


That could be why she charged so much.


I've always liked her, ever since her days on British television
before she turned to movies. Get hold of The Darling Buds of May
series if you can.

I'm not sure I've seen any of her performances.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.





User: "Olrik"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 24 Dec 2004 10:55:30 PM
quibbler wrote:

In article <nh%yd.9525$Y72.8978@edtnps91>,

says...

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married?



I believe that technically Joseph had a one year lease on Mary's booty
with an option to buy. This contrasts to the normal arrangement where
Mary rented it out by the hour. That latter practice is probably how
she ended up pregnant out of wedlock.



Or was she an unwed mother while
pregnant with god's son?



As I've said here before, you really only have two viable options: (1)
A miracle took place between her legs or (2) She was a lying *****.
Option (2) is astronomically more likely. Sometimes a third option is
invoked that some poorly understood natural process allowed her to
become pregnant (i.e. parthenogenesis), but that's also incredibly
unlikely.





What was the punishment at that time in the Jewish
tradition for a) giving birth out of wedlock and b) adultery?



The penalties were certainly severe enough to motivate a ***** to lie,
even if her lie was on the order of "my dog ate my homework" or in her
case, "God ate my *****".



Either way,
wasn't god fooling around in a sinful way, according to his own rules?



Technically, the Hebrew god was entitled to get married. But Yahweh
should have objected to Joseph cuckolding him. After all, this is a
being who admits that it is a jealous god. Yet, according to the bible,
Jesus had brothers and sisters.




I'm
thinking that christianity is largely founded on a myth



What was your first clue :))?



(virgin birth) that
actually involved a woman who was lying about her pregnancy to stay out of
trouble.



Gee, ya really think so? :) I guess a lie is worth a try when the
alternative is being stoned to death.


The real father was probably some prominent married local whom Mary
was trying to protect.



Or Mary was banging Roman soldiers and anyone else with a shekel or two
of pocket change.


Mary was either totally hot



Likely her main attributes were being young, dumb and willing. In a
culture of extreme sexual repression I'm sure that some undersexed Hebs
would have banged a shaved monkey if you put it in a burka. So
actually, Mary, like most whores, was probably not particularly
attractive.


and/or Joseph was totally
hideous, or stupid, in order for him to buy her lame story about god getting
her pregnant.



Yeah, well the bible claims that angels told him in a dream that he
should believe the ***** that Mary was shovelling. I suspect that Mary
might have been whispering a fair amount of this into his ear when he
was sleeping :).

Hey, thanks for this funny post.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
.


User: "John Popelish"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 24 Dec 2004 03:30:23 PM
Neil Kelsey wrote:


I forget, were Joseph and Mary married? Or was she an unwed mother while
pregnant with god's son? What was the punishment at that time in the Jewish
tradition for a) giving birth out of wedlock and b) adultery? Either way,
wasn't god fooling around in a sinful way, according to his own rules? I'm
thinking that christianity is largely founded on a myth (virgin birth) that
actually involved a woman who was lying about her pregnancy to stay out of
trouble. The real father was probably some prominent married local whom Mary
was trying to protect. Mary was either totally hot and/or Joseph was totally
hideous, or stupid, in order for him to buy her lame story about god getting
her pregnant.

God's rules have never applied to God.
It has always been the case of, "Do as I say, not as I do.
This is almost always the way humans in a position of power act,
so the story is one of the big hints that God is a human invention.
--
John Popelish
.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 24 Dec 2004 03:44:39 PM
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:41CC8A6F.A0A01A89@rica.net...

Neil Kelsey wrote:


I forget, were Joseph and Mary married? Or was she an unwed mother while
pregnant with god's son? What was the punishment at that time in the
Jewish
tradition for a) giving birth out of wedlock and b) adultery? Either way,
wasn't god fooling around in a sinful way, according to his own rules?
I'm
thinking that christianity is largely founded on a myth (virgin birth)
that
actually involved a woman who was lying about her pregnancy to stay out
of
trouble. The real father was probably some prominent married local whom
Mary
was trying to protect. Mary was either totally hot and/or Joseph was
totally
hideous, or stupid, in order for him to buy her lame story about god
getting
her pregnant.


God's rules have never applied to God.
It has always been the case of, "Do as I say, not as I do.

Sorta like Dr. Laura.

This is almost always the way humans in a position of power act,
so the story is one of the big hints that God is a human invention.

I agree. But I'm curious about the historical/political background around
the time of the alleged birth of jesus. Would Mary have been punished? If
so, by whom? And what would be the nature of the punishment? After all,
there are many instances of pregnant girls lying even in a modern "secular"
society where all they would face is the wrath of their parents. I suspect
these biblical PEOPLE existed, but that everything lined up just perfectly
in terms of superstition, ignorance, and circumstances to create the myth
that led to christianity. If only there were DNA testing back then this
whole mess could have been avoided.
.

User: "ernobe"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 24 Dec 2004 06:43:34 PM

God's rules have never applied to God.
It has always been the case of, "Do as I say, not as I do.

You mean "say what I say differently"?
--
http://www.costarricense.cr/pagina/ernobe
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 25 Dec 2004 02:17:35 AM
In article <41CC8A6F.A0A01A89@rica.net>,
John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:

Neil Kelsey wrote:


I forget, were Joseph and Mary married? Or was she an unwed mother while
pregnant with god's son? What was the punishment at that time in the Jewish
tradition for a) giving birth out of wedlock and b) adultery? Either way,
wasn't god fooling around in a sinful way, according to his own rules? I'm
thinking that christianity is largely founded on a myth (virgin birth) that
actually involved a woman who was lying about her pregnancy to stay out of
trouble. The real father was probably some prominent married local whom Mary
was trying to protect. Mary was either totally hot and/or Joseph was totally
hideous, or stupid, in order for him to buy her lame story about god getting
her pregnant.


God's rules have never applied to God.
It has always been the case of, "Do as I say, not as I do.
This is almost always the way humans in a position of power act,
so the story is one of the big hints that God is a human invention.

The ancient literature is full of stories of gods screwing around with
and impregnating human females to produce demigods or heroes. Hercules
and Alexander come to mind. The early xtians were proselytizing the
Roman and the Greeks, many of whom believed these myths. To give their
alleged founder status, they called him a son of a god. Virgin births
for other gods, e. g. Mithra, were also believed by many. From that we
got the BVM. The truth is though, that the evidence for Jesus', Mary's,
or St. Joe the Cuckold's existence is about nil. The whole story was
made up just to advance the new religion.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.


User: "Jos Flachs"

Title: Re: Christmas Questions 26 Dec 2004 07:12:54 PM
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:49:23 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:

I forget, were Joseph and Mary married?

According to the fables, yes, they were married.

Or was she an unwed mother while pregnant with god's son?

According to the fables, cuckolded Joe had to take here on god's
orders. (Hence St. Joe is always pictured with a staff with lilies on
them.)

What was the punishment at that time in the Jewish
tradition for a) giving birth out of wedlock and b) adultery?

Parking a load of rocks on top of both.

Either way,
wasn't god fooling around in a sinful way, according to his own rules?

Most certainly. But that never stopped xtians.

I'm
thinking that christianity is largely founded on a myth (virgin birth) that
actually involved a woman who was lying about her pregnancy to stay out of
trouble. The real father was probably some prominent married local whom Mary
was trying to protect. Mary was either totally hot and/or Joseph was totally
hideous, or stupid, in order for him to buy her lame story about god getting
her pregnant.

I'm thinking is it's a very bad make believe story to begin with.
.


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