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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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18 Jul 2005 07:49:22 PM |
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Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
19 Jul 2005 05:06:44 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
1. "Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
2. Who cares more about homosexuals - non-believers who encourage them to
engage in behavior that will kill 1/3 of them (and deny most of them any
chance of salvation) or believers in the Bible who are trying to save them
from such a horrible fate? What they are doing is no different than
people who try to get heroin addicts to kick their habit.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
19 Jul 2005 06:34:39 AM |
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In episode <Tg4De.56902$Qo.41528@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst into
the room and exclaimed:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
1. "Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Except that's not even close to the truth.
2. Who cares more
about homosexuals - non-believers who encourage them to engage in behavior
that will kill 1/3 of them (and deny most of them any chance of salvation)
or believers in the Bible who are trying to save them from such a horrible
fate? What they are doing is no different than people who try to get
heroin addicts to kick their habit.
One third?
Does it hurt when you pull numbers out of your ***** like that?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
21 Jul 2005 04:31:34 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:m-udnfhoV_TSeEHfRVn-gA@megapath.net...
In episode <Tg4De.56902$Qo.41528@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
1. "Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Except that's not even close to the truth.
I guess you never heard of the Pilgrims and the Puritans, groups modern
anti-Christian secularists would clearly define as "Christian extremists,"
just like any group that actually believes in the Bible. And how about
state constitutions that REQUIRED faith in God to hold office?
o. Pennsylvania's 1790 constitution declared, "That no person, who
acknowledges the being of God, and a future state of rewards and
punishments, shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be
disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this
commonwealth."
o.. The Constitution of Massachusetts stated that "no person shall be
eligible to this office, unless . . . he shall declare himself to be of
the Christian religion." The following oath was also required: "I do
declare, that I believe the Christian religion, and have firm persuasion
of its truth."
This quote basically states the founding of America was an act of God:
Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the
public summons, repaired to the present station, it would be peculiarly
improper to omit in this first official act my fervent supplications to
that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the
councils of nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human
defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and
happiness of the people of the United States a Government instituted by
themselves for these essential purposes, and may enable every instrument
employed in its administration to execute with success the functions
allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of
every public and private good, I assure myself that it expresses your
sentiments not less than my own, nor those of my fellow- citizens at
large less than either. No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore
the Invisible Hand which conducts the affairs of men more than those of
the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the
character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by
some token of providential agency; and in the important revolution just
accomplished in the system of their united government the tranquil
deliberations and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities from
which the event has resulted can not be compared with the means by which
most governments have been established without some return of pious
gratitude, along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings
which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the
present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be
suppressed. You will join with me, I trust, in thinking that there are
none under the influence of which the proceedings of a new and free
government can more auspiciously commence.
And how about quotes like this:
*Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of
Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and
humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of
Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to
the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer,
to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal
favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity
peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and
happiness:"
"Who can doubt that God created us to be happy, and thereto made us to
love one another? It is plainly written as the Gospel. The heart is
sometimes so embittered that nothing but Divine love can sweeten it, so
enraged that devotion can only becalm it, and so broken down that it
takes all the forces of heavenly
hope to raise it. In short, the religion of Jesus Christ is the only
sure and controlling power over sin."
"This brought on the war which finally separated the two countries and
gave independence to ours. Whether this will prove a blessing or a
curse, will depend upon the use our people make of the blessings, which
a gracious God hath bestowed on us. If they are wise, they will be
great and happy. If they are of a contrary character, they will be
miserable.
Righteousness alone can exalt them as a nation. Reader! Whoever thou
art, remember this, and in thy sphere practice virtue thyself, and
encourage it in others."
2. Who cares more
about homosexuals - non-believers who encourage them to engage in
behavior
that will kill 1/3 of them (and deny most of them any chance of
salvation)
or believers in the Bible who are trying to save them from such a
horrible
fate? What they are doing is no different than people who try to get
heroin addicts to kick their habit.
One third?
Does it hurt when you pull numbers out of your ***** like that?
We have close to 1 million homosexuals dead and dying of AIDS. How many
homosexuals do you think there are in America who engage in high risk
behavior?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
21 Jul 2005 06:15:14 AM |
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In episode <WXJDe.69417$Qo.21638@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:m-udnfhoV_TSeEHfRVn-gA@megapath.net...
In episode <Tg4De.56902$Qo.41528@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
1. "Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Except that's not even close to the truth.
I guess you never heard of the Pilgrims and the Puritans, groups modern
anti-Christian secularists would clearly define as "Christian extremists,"
just like any group that actually believes in the Bible. And how about
state constitutions that REQUIRED faith in God to hold office?
I guess you never heard of the Constitution of the United States...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
21 Jul 2005 10:30:10 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:l-CdnWP9aOdeHkLfRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In episode <WXJDe.69417$Qo.21638@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:m-udnfhoV_TSeEHfRVn-gA@megapath.net...
In episode <Tg4De.56902$Qo.41528@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
1. "Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Except that's not even close to the truth.
I guess you never heard of the Pilgrims and the Puritans, groups
modern
anti-Christian secularists would clearly define as "Christian
extremists,"
just like any group that actually believes in the Bible. And how
about
state constitutions that REQUIRED faith in God to hold office?
I guess you never heard of the Constitution of the United States...
1. I guess you never heard that the Constitution, except where it
explicitly applies to the states, applies only to the federal government.
2. Even if that were not the case, it would not refute the statement that
"Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
I note you strategically cut out the quotes I supplied, most of which
post-date ratification of the constitution, or were contemporaneous. Do
you even recognize them, or is your knowledge of our religious history
deficient? (That's almost a requirement for holding left think views,
unless, of course, you're just a low-life anti-Christian bigot).
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
21 Jul 2005 11:24:22 PM |
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In episode <4LZDe.78479$Qo.18676@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:l-CdnWP9aOdeHkLfRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In episode <WXJDe.69417$Qo.21638@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:m-udnfhoV_TSeEHfRVn-gA@megapath.net...
In episode <Tg4De.56902$Qo.41528@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
1. "Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Except that's not even close to the truth.
I guess you never heard of the Pilgrims and the Puritans, groups
modern
anti-Christian secularists would clearly define as "Christian
extremists,"
just like any group that actually believes in the Bible. And how
about
state constitutions that REQUIRED faith in God to hold office?
I guess you never heard of the Constitution of the United States...
1. I guess you never heard that the Constitution, except where it
explicitly applies to the states, applies only to the federal government.
Not since the Civil War. Hate to tell you this but the crafters of the
14th believed the Bill of Rights *already applied to the states and
believed they were granting explicit enforcement of same to Congress.
The "doesn't apply" argument hasn't been valid for 140 years.
2. Even if that were not the case, it would not refute the statement that
"Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Of course it would. Many of the Founders were openly hostile to
Christianity and were, at best, deist. You know Madison, who crafted the
first version of the 1st and saw the amendment to its final version, spent
a great deal of his time warning against the encroachment of the *church
on the *state. As much, if not more, than vice versa.
I note you strategically cut out the quotes I supplied, most of which
post-date ratification of the constitution, or were contemporaneous. Do
you even recognize them, or is your knowledge of our religious history
deficient? (That's almost a requirement for holding left think views,
unless, of course, you're just a low-life anti-Christian bigot).
Ah, ad hom. Such a superb debate tool.
You know, almost immediately after ratification, many of the Founders went
home to work on disestablishment. In not many years, separation was
universal. I cut your "quotes" because you ignore that the Founders went
home and set to work ripping out a great deal of what you quoted.
You should try reading what they wrote some time. Many of them said things
about Christianity no politician would *dare to say today...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
22 Jul 2005 08:11:05 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:24:22 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <4LZDe.78479$Qo.18676@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:l-CdnWP9aOdeHkLfRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In episode <WXJDe.69417$Qo.21638@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:m-udnfhoV_TSeEHfRVn-gA@megapath.net...
In episode <Tg4De.56902$Qo.41528@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
1. "Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Except that's not even close to the truth.
I guess you never heard of the Pilgrims and the Puritans, groups
modern
anti-Christian secularists would clearly define as "Christian
extremists,"
just like any group that actually believes in the Bible. And how
about
state constitutions that REQUIRED faith in God to hold office?
I guess you never heard of the Constitution of the United States...
1. I guess you never heard that the Constitution, except where it
explicitly applies to the states, applies only to the federal government.
Not since the Civil War. Hate to tell you this but the crafters of the
14th believed the Bill of Rights *already applied to the states and
believed they were granting explicit enforcement of same to Congress.
The "doesn't apply" argument hasn't been valid for 140 years.
2. Even if that were not the case, it would not refute the statement that
"Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Of course it would. Many of the Founders were openly hostile to
Christianity and were, at best, deist. You know Madison, who crafted the
first version of the 1st and saw the amendment to its final version, spent
a great deal of his time warning against the encroachment of the *church
on the *state. As much, if not more, than vice versa.
I note you strategically cut out the quotes I supplied, most of which
post-date ratification of the constitution, or were contemporaneous. Do
you even recognize them, or is your knowledge of our religious history
deficient? (That's almost a requirement for holding left think views,
unless, of course, you're just a low-life anti-Christian bigot).
Ah, ad hom. Such a superb debate tool.
You know, almost immediately after ratification, many of the Founders went
home to work on disestablishment. In not many years, separation was
universal. I cut your "quotes" because you ignore that the Founders went
home and set to work ripping out a great deal of what you quoted.
You should try reading what they wrote some time. Many of them said things
about Christianity no politician would *dare to say today...
Ah, the Christian who argues that this country is based on
Christianity would never actually read the history.
It's too unpleasant of a truth.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
28 Jul 2005 10:17:00 AM |
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On 22 Jul 2005 08:11:05 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:24:22 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <4LZDe.78479$Qo.18676@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:l-CdnWP9aOdeHkLfRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In episode <WXJDe.69417$Qo.21638@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:m-udnfhoV_TSeEHfRVn-gA@megapath.net...
In episode <Tg4De.56902$Qo.41528@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
1. "Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Except that's not even close to the truth.
I guess you never heard of the Pilgrims and the Puritans, groups
modern
anti-Christian secularists would clearly define as "Christian
extremists,"
just like any group that actually believes in the Bible. And how
about
state constitutions that REQUIRED faith in God to hold office?
I guess you never heard of the Constitution of the United States...
1. I guess you never heard that the Constitution, except where it
explicitly applies to the states, applies only to the federal government.
Not since the Civil War. Hate to tell you this but the crafters of the
14th believed the Bill of Rights *already applied to the states and
believed they were granting explicit enforcement of same to Congress.
The "doesn't apply" argument hasn't been valid for 140 years.
2. Even if that were not the case, it would not refute the statement that
"Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Of course it would. Many of the Founders were openly hostile to
Christianity and were, at best, deist. You know Madison, who crafted the
first version of the 1st and saw the amendment to its final version, spent
a great deal of his time warning against the encroachment of the *church
on the *state. As much, if not more, than vice versa.
I note you strategically cut out the quotes I supplied, most of which
post-date ratification of the constitution, or were contemporaneous. Do
you even recognize them, or is your knowledge of our religious history
deficient? (That's almost a requirement for holding left think views,
unless, of course, you're just a low-life anti-Christian bigot).
Ah, ad hom. Such a superb debate tool.
You know, almost immediately after ratification, many of the Founders went
home to work on disestablishment. In not many years, separation was
universal. I cut your "quotes" because you ignore that the Founders went
home and set to work ripping out a great deal of what you quoted.
You should try reading what they wrote some time. Many of them said things
about Christianity no politician would *dare to say today...
Ah, the Christian who argues that this country is based on
Christianity would never actually read the history.
However, the Christian Values® of; bigotry, prejudice, ignorance,
murder, rapine, greed, theft, cowardice, injustice, pride, and more,
remain at the same pinnacle as they have been for the whole malevolent
existance of the former USA.
It's too unpleasant of a truth.
They're horrified by truth and reality.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
28 Jul 2005 10:14:10 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:24:22 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <4LZDe.78479$Qo.18676@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:l-CdnWP9aOdeHkLfRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In episode <WXJDe.69417$Qo.21638@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:m-udnfhoV_TSeEHfRVn-gA@megapath.net...
In episode <Tg4De.56902$Qo.41528@fed1read01>, Unpleasant Truth burst
into
the room and exclaimed:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
1. "Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Except that's not even close to the truth.
I guess you never heard of the Pilgrims and the Puritans, groups
modern
anti-Christian secularists would clearly define as "Christian
extremists,"
just like any group that actually believes in the Bible. And how
about
state constitutions that REQUIRED faith in God to hold office?
I guess you never heard of the Constitution of the United States...
1. I guess you never heard that the Constitution, except where it
explicitly applies to the states, applies only to the federal government.
Not since the Civil War. Hate to tell you this but the crafters of the
14th believed the Bill of Rights *already applied to the states and
believed they were granting explicit enforcement of same to Congress.
The "doesn't apply" argument hasn't been valid for 140 years.
2. Even if that were not the case, it would not refute the statement that
"Christian extremists" (with guns) founded America.
Of course it would. Many of the Founders were openly hostile to
Christianity and were, at best, deist. You know Madison, who crafted the
first version of the 1st and saw the amendment to its final version, spent
a great deal of his time warning against the encroachment of the *church
on the *state. As much, if not more, than vice versa.
I note you strategically cut out the quotes I supplied, most of which
post-date ratification of the constitution, or were contemporaneous. Do
you even recognize them, or is your knowledge of our religious history
deficient? (That's almost a requirement for holding left think views,
unless, of course, you're just a low-life anti-Christian bigot).
Ah, ad hom. Such a superb debate tool.
You know, almost immediately after ratification, many of the Founders went
home to work on disestablishment. In not many years, separation was
universal. I cut your "quotes" because you ignore that the Founders went
home and set to work ripping out a great deal of what you quoted.
You should try reading what they wrote some time. Many of them said things
about Christianity no politician would *dare to say today...
Because politicians are jellyfish and six times as brainless.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "fred" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
19 Jul 2005 01:01:38 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel is not
about how God despises homosexuality. In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
shows that certain members of that early church had been slaves to
same-sex sexual relationships but had been cleansed in the name of
Jesus. So they evidently repented and accepted God's grace to
straighten their lives out.
John 3:16
Revelation 3:20
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
19 Jul 2005 09:50:18 AM |
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"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel is not
about how God despises homosexuality.
You hatred and bigotry marks you as a Christian.
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19 Jul 2005 06:35:21 AM |
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In episode <1121752898.700872.19860@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, fred
burst into the room and exclaimed:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel is not about
how God despises homosexuality. In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 shows that
certain members of that early church had been slaves to same-sex sexual
relationships but had been cleansed in the name of Jesus. So they
evidently repented and accepted God's grace to straighten their lives out.
And people should a believe a single word of this "bible" thing why?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
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28 Jul 2005 10:12:52 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:35:21 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <1121752898.700872.19860@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, fred
burst into the room and exclaimed:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel is not about
how God despises homosexuality. In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 shows that
certain members of that early church had been slaves to same-sex sexual
relationships but had been cleansed in the name of Jesus. So they
evidently repented and accepted God's grace to straighten their lives out.
And people should a believe a single word of this "bible" thing why?
Because otherwise the arse sucker, Fred, will get all pissy.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
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19 Jul 2005 08:44:56 PM |
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On 18 Jul 2005 23:01:38 -0700, "fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel
is not about how God [sic] despises homosexuality.
Have you any evidence the gods express any emotions at all, let
alone spite?
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19 Jul 2005 05:15:19 AM |
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fred wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel is not
about how God despises homosexuality. In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
....says nothing about homosexuality.
shows that certain members of that early church had been slaves to
same-sex sexual relationships
You mean "rape."
but had been cleansed in the name of
Jesus. So they evidently repented and accepted God's grace to
straighten their lives out.
Exactly which Bible translation are you referring to? NIV? KJV?
Darby? Amplified? The Message?
And, tell me, why is one translation "better" to use than another?
For example, here is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 in "The Message":
Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who
don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use
and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, use and abuse the earth and
everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom. A number
of you know from experience what I'm talking about, for not so long ago
you were on that list. Since then, you've been cleaned up and given a
fresh start by Jesus, our Master, our Messiah, and by our God present in
us, the Spirit.
John 3:16
Revelation 3:20
"Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them;
for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites
do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by
men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you
give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret
will reward you. And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites;
for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street
corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have
received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the
door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees
in secret will reward you." (Matthew 6:1-6) (RSV)
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20 Jul 2005 09:47:17 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
fred wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel is not
about how God despises homosexuality. In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
...says nothing about homosexuality.
Neither the word homosexuality or its variants are in the Bible. But
the Bible has working definitions of homosexuality:
Leviticus 18:22
Romans 1:25-27
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (but not the Bible version that you have)
shows that certain members of that early church had been slaves to
same-sex sexual relationships
You mean "rape."
Good point. But no, that's no what that passage says. Try another
Bible version, one that you are comfortable with.
but had been cleansed in the name of
Jesus. So they evidently repented and accepted God's grace to
straighten their lives out.
Exactly which Bible translation are you referring to? NIV? KJV?
Darby? Amplified? The Message?
NIV
And, tell me, why is one translation "better" to use than another?
Who said one translation is better than another? Why don't you decide
for yourself which Bible version is easiest for you to read?
For example, here is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 in "The Message":
Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who
don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use
and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, use and abuse the earth and
everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom. A number
of you know from experience what I'm talking about, for not so long ago
you were on that list. Since then, you've been cleaned up and given a
fresh start by Jesus, our Master, our Messiah, and by our God present in
us, the Spirit.
This above translation is not only hard to read but waters down the
message.
John 3:16
Revelation 3:20
"Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them;
for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites
do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by
men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you
give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret
will reward you. And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites;
for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street
corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have
received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the
door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees
in secret will reward you." (Matthew 6:1-6) (RSV)
Now you know why I use the NIV. But there are other very readable
Bible versions too.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
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21 Jul 2005 02:28:59 AM |
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On 20 Jul 2005 19:47:17 -0700, "fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither the word homosexuality or its variants are in the Bible.
Thank you for admitting that every last word you spew on this topic is
a bold-faced lie.
Repent now, hell-bound sinner!
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20 Jul 2005 09:57:09 PM |
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fred wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
fred wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel is not
about how God despises homosexuality. In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
...says nothing about homosexuality.
Neither the word homosexuality or its variants are in the Bible. But
the Bible has working definitions of homosexuality:
Leviticus 18:22
Nope. No definition of homosexuality here. All I see is, throughout
Leviticus 18, is admonishments of all types of so-called "frivoulous sex
acts," wherein the word "frivolous sex acts" means that which does not
produce a child.
Romans 1:25-27
Nothing about homosexuality here, either.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (but not the Bible version that you have)
Why should one Bible version stand out over another?
shows that certain members of that early church had been slaves to
same-sex sexual relationships
You mean "rape."
Good point. But no, that's no what that passage says. Try another
Bible version, one that you are comfortable with.
Why?
but had been cleansed in the name of
Jesus. So they evidently repented and accepted God's grace to
straighten their lives out.
Exactly which Bible translation are you referring to? NIV? KJV?
Darby? Amplified? The Message?
NIV
Why that one?
And, tell me, why is one translation "better" to use than another?
Who said one translation is better than another? Why don't you decide
for yourself which Bible version is easiest for you to read?
And if each translation is different?
For example, here is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 in "The Message":
Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who
don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use
and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, use and abuse the earth and
everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom. A number
of you know from experience what I'm talking about, for not so long ago
you were on that list. Since then, you've been cleaned up and given a
fresh start by Jesus, our Master, our Messiah, and by our God present in
us, the Spirit.
This above translation is not only hard to read but waters down the
message.
So, you're saying that "The Message" is inferior?
John 3:16
Revelation 3:20
"Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them;
for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites
do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by
men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you
give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret
will reward you. And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites;
for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street
corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have
received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the
door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees
in secret will reward you." (Matthew 6:1-6) (RSV)
Now you know why I use the NIV. But there are other very readable
Bible versions too.
You may use NIV, but not all Christians do. Some swear by KJV, others
by Darby, and others still by other translations.
To which should I read? (By the way, I have a copy of KJV and NIV on my
bookshelf.)
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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19 Jul 2005 01:42:40 AM |
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fred wrote:
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel
is not about how God despises homosexuality. In fact, 1
Corinthians 6:9-11 shows that certain members of that early
church had been slaves to same-sex sexual relationships but had
been cleansed in the name of Jesus. So they evidently repented
and accepted God's grace to straighten their lives out.
Oh, bugger off.
Look, I'm as disgusted by guy-on-guy sex as the next straight
guy. But I'm /far/ more disgusted by this Christian notion that
they've got even the slightest right to have even a bit of
interest in what consenting adults do in private.
So take your Bible and shove it up your own ***** the next time you
start worrying about what some gay guy might do to his lover's
*****.
John 3:16
Oh, that'd be the one where God confirms that, yes, in order to
proclaim the end of suffering and death he causes to innocent
people he had an innocent man tortured and murdered in a fruitless
symbolic act?
So...what's your point?
Revelation 3:20
Hmmm...let's see. ``Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any
man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and
will sup with him, and he with me.''
Now, if /that's/ not code for ``Jesus wants to bugger you and do a
bit of 69 afterwards,'' I don't know what is. So why aren't you
out there, takin' it in the ***** for Jesus? Would you lick his *****
clean of the santorum when he's done?
Just how deep /is/ your love of Jesus?
Cheers,
b&
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BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
The Jesus challenge: put up or shut up http://tinyurl.com/9x22f
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20 Jul 2005 09:27:23 PM |
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Ben Goren wrote:
fred wrote:
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel
is not about how God despises homosexuality. In fact, 1
Corinthians 6:9-11 shows that certain members of that early
church had been slaves to same-sex sexual relationships but had
been cleansed in the name of Jesus. So they evidently repented
and accepted God's grace to straighten their lives out.
Oh, bugger off.
Look, I'm as disgusted by guy-on-guy sex as the next straight
guy. But I'm /far/ more disgusted by this Christian notion that
they've got even the slightest right to have even a bit of
interest in what consenting adults do in private.
You completely missed my point. I point out 1 Cornthians 6:9-11 so
that troubled gays who are seeking the truth in Jesus Christ can know
that there is hope.
So take your Bible and shove it up your own ***** the next time you
start worrying about what some gay guy might do to his lover's
*****.
John 3:16
Oh, that'd be the one where God confirms that, yes, in order to
proclaim the end of suffering and death he causes to innocent
people he had an innocent man tortured and murdered in a fruitless
symbolic act?
Jesus was willing to be slaughtered so you could choose to spend
eternity in heaven with Jesus in bliss.
So...what's your point?
Revelation 3:20
Hmmm...let's see. ``Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any
man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and
will sup with him, and he with me.''
Now, if /that's/ not code for ``Jesus wants to bugger you and do a
bit of 69 afterwards,'' I don't know what is. So why aren't you
out there, takin' it in the ***** for Jesus? Would you lick his *****
clean of the santorum when he's done?
1 Corinthians 1:18-19
2 Corinthians 4:4
2 Peter 3:16
Just how deep /is/ your love of Jesus?
Cheers,
b&
--
BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
The Jesus challenge: put up or shut up http://tinyurl.com/9x22f
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21 Jul 2005 09:32:27 AM |
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"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
Oh, bugger off.
Look, I'm as disgusted by guy-on-guy sex as the next straight
guy. But I'm /far/ more disgusted by this Christian notion that
they've got even the slightest right to have even a bit of
interest in what consenting adults do in private.
You completely missed my point. I point out 1 Cornthians 6:9-11 so
that troubled gays who are seeking the truth in Jesus Christ can know
that there is hope.
Most gays are Christian, ya hate filled Republican.
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
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21 Jul 2005 10:01:21 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11dvd2fgtreoie6@corp.supernews.com...
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
Oh, bugger off.
Look, I'm as disgusted by guy-on-guy sex as the next straight
guy. But I'm /far/ more disgusted by this Christian notion that
they've got even the slightest right to have even a bit of
interest in what consenting adults do in private.
You completely missed my point. I point out 1 Cornthians 6:9-11 so
that troubled gays who are seeking the truth in Jesus Christ can know
that there is hope.
Most gays are Christian, ya hate filled Republican.
Only if they are chaste and repent of their sins - an option open to all.
Those who persist in homosexual conduct, arguing that it can be acceptable
to God, are condemned; and those who lead others to believe that, even
more so.
"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it
would be better for him if a great millstone were hung round his neck and
he were thrown into the sea. " - Mark 9:42
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20 Jul 2005 09:41:09 PM |
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fred wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
fred wrote:
Homosexuals need to consider that the good news of the gospel
is not about how God despises homosexuality. In fact, 1
Corinthians 6:9-11 shows that certain members of that early
church had been slaves to same-sex sexual relationships but had
been cleansed in the name of Jesus. So they evidently repented
and accepted God's grace to straighten their lives out.
Oh, bugger off.
Look, I'm as disgusted by guy-on-guy sex as the next straight
guy. But I'm /far/ more disgusted by this Christian notion that
they've got even the slightest right to have even a bit of
interest in what consenting adults do in private.
You completely missed my point. I point out 1 Cornthians 6:9-11 so
that troubled gays who are seeking the truth in Jesus Christ can know
that there is hope.
And where, in all of 1 Corinthians, does it say anything going against
consensual homosexual relationships? 6:9-11 say nothing about it at
all. Perhaps another verse?
So take your Bible and shove it up your own ***** the next time you
start worrying about what some gay guy might do to his lover's
*****.
John 3:16
Oh, that'd be the one where God confirms that, yes, in order to
proclaim the end of suffering and death he causes to innocent
people he had an innocent man tortured and murdered in a fruitless
symbolic act?
Jesus was willing to be slaughtered so you could choose to spend
eternity in heaven with Jesus in bliss.
So, Jesus was sacrificed for selfish reasons?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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18 Jul 2005 08:10:52 PM |
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In episode <11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com>, Fredric L. Rice burst
into the room and exclaimed:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
I always say that before I'll believe it's possible to change, *they
should change. I mean, they can change *back can't they?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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19 Jul 2005 01:51:31 AM |
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<piggybacking>
In episode <11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com>, Fredric L. Rice burst
into the room and exclaimed:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
But does anywhere else deserve to have *them live *there? :-?
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
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There are two main things we must concern ourselves
with in life: Our "to Do" list and our "do-do" list.
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19 Jul 2005 07:25:00 AM |
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"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:uk8pd19avf6fll8jcs7vjdnu3onk5ucck4@4ax.com...
<piggybacking>
In episode <11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com>, Fredric L. Rice burst
into the room and exclaimed:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
But does anywhere else deserve to have *them live *there? :-?
Send them to live with the Taliban.
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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21 Jul 2005 04:06:21 AM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dbirem$n5r$1@news.seed.net.tw...
"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:uk8pd19avf6fll8jcs7vjdnu3onk5ucck4@4ax.com...
<piggybacking>
In episode <11dok3bqp3bhke6@corp.supernews.com>, Fredric L. Rice burst
into the room and exclaimed:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/index_np.html
Christian extremists don't deserve to live in America.
But does anywhere else deserve to have *them live *there? :-?
Send them to live with the Taliban.
It's the anti-Christian bigots who should be sent to live with the
Taliban. After all, you share the same hate for Christianity.
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21 Jul 2005 05:40:27 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:06:21 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> wrote:
It's the anti-Christian bigots who should be sent to live with the
Taliban. After all, you share the same hate for Christianity.
Well, since "love the sinner, hate the sin" seems to be working so
well for you, we thought we'd try it out, too.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Jul 2005 06:23:36 AM |
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In episode <gmuud19clkf8u8nl2raunqc05bonb6amto@4ax.com>, maf 1029 burst
into the room and exclaimed:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:06:21 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> wrote:
It's the anti-Christian bigots who should be sent to live with the
Taliban. After all, you share the same hate for Christianity.
Well, since "love the sinner, hate the sin" seems to be working so well
for you, we thought we'd try it out, too.
<snork>
I *like it.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Christofascists and the Gay On / Off switch |
28 Jul 2005 10:02:16 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:40:27 -0700, maf 1029
<guesswho@yahoo.nopsamnet> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:06:21 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> wrote:
It's the anti-Christian bigots who should be sent to live with the
Taliban. After all, you share the same hate for Christianity.
Well, since "love the sinner, hate the sin" seems to be working so
well for you, we thought we'd try it out, too.
Of course the clergy rimmer finds the truth about its terminal
inhumanity to be unpleasent.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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