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"maff" |
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12 Oct 2004 02:51:51 AM |
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Christopher Reeve |
Life and death of a hero
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1325013,00.html
Paralysed from the neck down after a riding accident, Christopher
Reeve became a tireless campaigner for stem cell research. Some
accused him of offering false hope. But it is his courage and strength
of will that will be remembered, says Oliver Burkeman
Tuesday October 12, 2004
The Guardian
You were well advised to leave your pity at the door of Christopher
Reeve's airy, sun-filled home, hidden amid the rolling meadows and
white wooden barns of upstate New York. What struck you first, as he
was steered into the room, was his commanding height: his throne-like
wheelchair lifted his broad-shouldered bulk off the ground; sitting
down, you found yourself tilting your head upwards to look at him.
Oliver Burkeman
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0410020030.4c6c439%40posting.google.com
Christopher Reeve
http://news.google.com/news?q=%20%22Christopher%20Reeve%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Christopher+Reeve%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Christopher+Reeve%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Christopher%20Reeve&safe=images&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
stem cells OR cell
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=stem+cells+OR+cell&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=stem+cells+OR+cell&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=stem+cells+OR+cell&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=stem%20&as_oq=cells%20cell&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Enemies of Science & Knowledge
http://tinyurl.com/9nb0
and thread
A Blueprint for the Future
http://tinyurl.com/9vga
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| User: "nobody" |
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| Title: Re: Christopher Reeve |
14 Oct 2004 05:38:31 AM |
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Louann Miller <louann_m@yahoo.net> wrote:
nobody <nobody@here.com>
Even then, it's a fireman's job to do that just as it is a surgeon's
job to operate and save lives and a teacher's job to teach and a
postman's job to lose the mail. Now, if someone goes well above and
beyond the call of duty while risking his life and well being, that I
call heroism.
I disagree. The fireman, after all, chose to become a fireman knowing
that it was a life-threatening job.
Not to take away from firemen, but often the public's perception of
risks is rather skewed. A lot of other professions that get much less
respect have much higher fatality or injury rates, not to mention long
term health hazards.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922494.html
A timber cutter is looking to a 0.1% fatality rate per year so it's a
10 times more deadly profession than firefighting (the person who
wrote the article below needs to go back to school). Yet, people go
into other dangerous lines of jobs to feed their families and make a
contribution to society in doing so.
http://www.american-firefighter.com/questions/risk.php
<quote>
But you should also remember that every firefighter knows rule number
one: Safety First! In 2003, 110 American Firefighters died in the line
of duty. While this may seem like a lot, you have to consider the fact
that there are well over 1 million firefighters in the U.S. This works
out to roughly a 0.0001% fatality rate. According to the National
Safety Council, the odds of dying in an accident in the year 2000 for
the general public was 1 in 1,820
(http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm) which calculates to about a
0.0005% fatality rate. This basically tells us that firefighters are 5
times more likely to be accidentally killed while off duty. Are we
increasing the risk of death or injury by becoming firefighters? Well,
yes. But as firefighters we don't look at things that way.
</quote>
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Christopher Reeve |
14 Oct 2004 11:29:31 AM |
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In article <idksm0pksd0823qo2gcg07efoj7na6dk0u@4ax.com>,
nobody <nobody@here.com> wrote:
<snip>
Not to take away from firemen, but often the public's perception of
risks is rather skewed. A lot of other professions that get much less
respect have much higher fatality or injury rates, not to mention long
term health hazards.
<snip>
Firefighters have short periods of acute risk. And the others are not
risking so much _burning_ to death or severe burn injuries.
Going repeatedly into the World Trade Center on _that_ day was not
dangerous, it was fatal.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Christopher Reeve |
12 Oct 2004 07:09:32 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:56:40 +0000 (UTC), "Cotton Eyed Joe"
<mdginzo@bellsout.SPAMnet> wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18510aff.0410112357.74dacfb@posting.google.com...
Life and death of a hero
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1325013,00.html
Paralysed from the neck down after a riding accident, Christopher
Reeve became a tireless campaigner for stem cell research. Some
accused him of offering false hope. But it is his courage and strength
of will that will be remembered, says Oliver Burkeman
I am not sure what makes him a hero. He wasn't into spinal cord injury
research until he himself was injured.
It is how he coped, what he made of himself after it. And having been
injured he became a very effective spokesman. I doubt you or I would
have been.
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| User: "Cotton Eyed Joe" |
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| Title: Re: Christopher Reeve |
15 Oct 2004 01:07:53 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<uhinm0t5a5gtir7h0efcuhq4eemcqaekhj@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:56:40 +0000 (UTC), "Cotton Eyed Joe"
<mdginzo@bellsout.SPAMnet> wrote:
I am not sure what makes him a hero. He wasn't into spinal cord injury
research until he himself was injured.
It is how he coped, what he made of himself after it. And having been
injured he became a very effective spokesman. I doubt you or I would
have been.
If you or I had been as famous or as rich as he was before the
accident and deperately wanted to walk againt i am sure we would be.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Christopher Reeve |
12 Oct 2004 06:31:28 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:56:40 +0000 (UTC), "Cotton Eyed Joe"
<mdginzo@bellsout.SPAMnet> wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18510aff.0410112357.74dacfb@posting.google.com...
Life and death of a hero
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1325013,00.html
Paralysed from the neck down after a riding accident, Christopher
Reeve became a tireless campaigner for stem cell research. Some
accused him of offering false hope. But it is his courage and
strength of will that will be remembered, says Oliver Burkeman
I am not sure what makes him a hero. He wasn't into spinal cord
injury research until he himself was injured.
It is how he coped, what he made of himself after it. And having been
injured he became a very effective spokesman. I doubt you or I would
have been.
Give almost any disabled person the money Reeves had and they almost
certainly would become effective spokespeople.
Unless they get a good settlement or are well off before hand they tend to
live in poverty.
Other than money and media attention he was no different than any of my
friends who are in chairs with similar injuries.
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| User: "nobody" |
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| Title: Re: Christopher Reeve |
13 Oct 2004 05:59:42 AM |
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Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
Well, fighting is more heroic than folding one's hands and dying, or
ending up as a blob, which is a common approach to the situation.
Are you sure that's the common approach? At least he could afford the
best the medical science could offer. Not that there's anything wrong
with that, but don't compare his situation with the poor bastards with
the same disability but with no money and no support.
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