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User: "Jason Spaceman"
Date: 04 Jan 2006 11:59:12 PM
Object: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'?
From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jan 5, 2006
by Chuck Colson ( bio | archive )
The New York Times ushered in the new year with a nice gift for
Christians—one it did not give to anyone else: a slap in the face.
The slap came in the form of a piece written by Thomas Vinciguerra. It
was titled, “The Pre-Blogger: Find Mencken at
nature-abhors-a-moron.com.” Sixty years ago, H. L. Mencken was one of
America’s most acerbic social critics, and the Times was speculating
on whether Mencken would have become a blogger. Vinciguerra then
offered entries from a hypothetical Mencken blog—entries that were
indicative of both the bigotry and ignorance of the New York Times.
One entry read: “Sanity has triumphed in Dover, Pennsylvania, where
the boobs who tried to foist intelligent design on the local lyceums
have been soundly thrashed . . . Would that this victory were
permanent. It will take more than jurisprudence to retire the forces
of ignorance. Meanwhile, we can only hope they engage in less
egregious forms of buncombe—like installing the Ten Commandments in
public squares, or speaking in tongues.”
Ha, ha, ha. Very funny.
Of course, Mencken referred to Christians as “rustic ignoramuses” when
he wasn’t calling us worse things. But he also had insulting things to
say about women, Blacks, and Jews—comments that today we recognize as
both ignorant and offensive. To its credit, the Times would never
dream of trying to be funny by calling Blacks and women mentally
inferior, or by imitating Mencken’s viciously anti-Semitic comments.
But when it comes to Christians, all bets are off. And like any bigot,
the newspaper that celebrates itself for politically correct tolerance
and exquisite sensitivity can’t seem to recognize its own blind
prejudice.
The Times also exposed its ignorance of the kind of people who espouse
intelligent design. Does it realize it is calling Albert Einstein a
boob? Einstein once said: “God does not play dice with the cosmos”—he
found design in the universe. Scientist Fritz Schaefer—four times
nominated for a Nobel Prize—is another “boob” who believes in the
intelligent design theory. So does Professor Michael Behe, the Lehigh
biochemist who has proven the “irreducible complexity” of the human
cell structure. And then there is Oxford Professor Antony Flew, the
famous British philosopher. Throughout his long career, Flew argued
that there was a “presumption of atheism”—that is, the existence of a
creator could not be proved. Intelligent design caused Flew, at the
age of 81, to reverse himself and acknowledge God as creator. Flew is
“ignorant”?
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Read it at
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/chuckcolson/2006/01/05/181080.html
J. Spaceman
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User: "Mike Dworetsky"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 01:53:23 AM
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:q9dpr1d1iuk1gus0ob6tv4tsb8rnu5g2ks@4ax.com...

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jan 5, 2006
by Chuck Colson ( bio | archive )

It is difficult to parody Chuck Colson, as he does such a good job of it all
by himself.

The New York Times ushered in the new year with a nice gift for
Christians—one it did not give to anyone else: a slap in the face.

The slap came in the form of a piece written by Thomas Vinciguerra. It
was titled, “The Pre-Blogger: Find Mencken at
nature-abhors-a-moron.com.” Sixty years ago, H. L. Mencken was one of
America’s most acerbic social critics, and the Times was speculating
on whether Mencken would have become a blogger. Vinciguerra then
offered entries from a hypothetical Mencken blog—entries that were
indicative of both the bigotry and ignorance of the New York Times.

One entry read: “Sanity has triumphed in Dover, Pennsylvania, where
the boobs who tried to foist intelligent design on the local lyceums
have been soundly thrashed . . . Would that this victory were
permanent. It will take more than jurisprudence to retire the forces
of ignorance. Meanwhile, we can only hope they engage in less
egregious forms of buncombe—like installing the Ten Commandments in
public squares, or speaking in tongues.”

Ha, ha, ha. Very funny.

Um, I thought Intelligent Design was "science" and had nothing to do with
Christianity. So what's this all about?

Of course, Mencken referred to Christians as “rustic ignoramuses” when
he wasn’t calling us worse things. But he also had insulting things to
say about women, Blacks, and Jews—comments that today we recognize as
both ignorant and offensive. To its credit, the Times would never
dream of trying to be funny by calling Blacks and women mentally
inferior, or by imitating Mencken’s viciously anti-Semitic comments.
But when it comes to Christians, all bets are off. And like any bigot,
the newspaper that celebrates itself for politically correct tolerance
and exquisite sensitivity can’t seem to recognize its own blind
prejudice.

The Times also exposed its ignorance of the kind of people who espouse
intelligent design. Does it realize it is calling Albert Einstein a
boob? Einstein once said: “God does not play dice with the cosmos”—he
found design in the universe.

When in doubt, claim that Einstein would have supported your position,
whatever it might be. Nice tactic, and the man is conveniently dead, hence
unable to tell you that you are full of baloney.
Scientist Fritz Schaefer—four times

nominated for a Nobel Prize—is another “boob” who believes in the
intelligent design theory.

Actually, from what I understand he is a creationist. Good chemist, lousy
biologist. And I thought Nobel nominations were strictly
confidential...it's not like the Academy Awards, there are thousands of
nominations every year.
So does Professor Michael Behe, the Lehigh

biochemist who has proven the “irreducible complexity” of the human
cell structure.

After Dover, I think the "proven" part is definitely overstated. Behe
looked a complete fool at Dover, and he is the best they have.
And then there is Oxford Professor Antony Flew, the

famous British philosopher. Throughout his long career, Flew argued
that there was a “presumption of atheism”—that is, the existence of a
creator could not be proved. Intelligent design caused Flew, at the
age of 81, to reverse himself and acknowledge God as creator. Flew is
“ignorant”?

Flew certainly did not get as far as endorsing Christianity or anything like
it, and later retracted his "conversion" on the grounds that a creationist
had misled him about physics. It was a vague form of Deism that he
temporarily accepted, then rejected. Well duh.

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Read it at
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/chuckcolson/2006/01/05/181080.html

--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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User: "Cyde Weys"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 09:05:17 AM
Mike Dworetsky wrote:

"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:q9dpr1d1iuk1gus0ob6tv4tsb8rnu5g2ks@4ax.com...

One entry read: "Sanity has triumphed in Dover, Pennsylvania, where
the boobs who tried to foist intelligent design on the local lyceums
have been soundly thrashed . . . Would that this victory were
permanent. It will take more than jurisprudence to retire the forces
of ignorance. Meanwhile, we can only hope they engage in less
egregious forms of buncombe-like installing the Ten Commandments in
public squares, or speaking in tongues."


Um, I thought Intelligent Design was "science" and had nothing to do with
Christianity. So what's this all about?

You know, back when I first got into this I actually thought that there
was some separation between ID and creationism. Boy, how wrong I was.
Every day it seems I keep getting pounded over the head with how wrong
I was. I sure as hell am glad that Judge Jones saw right through it.
There's pretty much a 1-to-1 relationship between "intelligent design"
and "Judeo-Islamo-Christian"
.
User: "Joe Cooper"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 07:03:59 PM
"You know, back when I first got into this I actually thought that
there
was some separation between ID and creationism. Boy, how wrong I was.
Every day it seems I keep getting pounded over the head with how wrong
I was. I sure as hell am glad that Judge Jones saw right through it. "
IDers use bigger words.
Joe Cooper
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User: "Inez"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 10:52:10 AM
And more importantly, are my boobs christian?
.
User: "Dana Tweedy"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 11:06:33 AM
"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?

I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?
DJT


.
User: "Inez"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 11:24:35 AM
Dana Tweedy wrote:

"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?


I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?


DJT

I am not sure how one determines religion from a photograph. If they
are well-rounded, does that mean they're Unitarians?
.
User: "Dana Tweedy"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 12:59:07 PM
"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136913875.591614.164810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Dana Tweedy wrote:

"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?


I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you
provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?


DJT

I am not sure how one determines religion from a photograph. If they
are well-rounded, does that mean they're Unitarians?

Whatever, as long as they aren't Trinitarians
DJT


.
User: "Robin Levett"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 11 Jan 2006 04:57:47 PM
Dana Tweedy wrote:


"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136913875.591614.164810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Dana Tweedy wrote:

"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?


I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you
provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?


DJT

I am not sure how one determines religion from a photograph. If they
are well-rounded, does that mean they're Unitarians?


Whatever, as long as they aren't Trinitarians

Her name's Inez, not Eccentrica.
--
Robin Levett
rlevett@rlevett.ibmuklunix.net (unmunge by removing big blue - don't yahoo)
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 11 Jan 2006 05:36:08 PM
Robin Levett wrote:

Dana Tweedy wrote:


"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136913875.591614.164810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Dana Tweedy wrote:

"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?


I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you
provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?


DJT

I am not sure how one determines religion from a photograph. If they
are well-rounded, does that mean they're Unitarians?


Whatever, as long as they aren't Trinitarians


Her name's Inez, not Eccentrica.

Statutory fine of .3333333333 recurring Altairian Dollars for
mentioning the Galactic government's well-known form in triplicate. ;-)
(She described the President as "the best bang since the 'Big' one".
Two heads are better than one, seemingly. Who did he grow that extra
arm for again??
I deposit \infinity -1 $Altairian. Oh, whoops. There's the other $1.
.
User: "Robin Levett"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 11 Jan 2006 06:17:21 PM
wrote:


Robin Levett wrote:

Dana Tweedy wrote:


"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136913875.591614.164810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Dana Tweedy wrote:

"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?


I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you
provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?


DJT

I am not sure how one determines religion from a photograph. If they
are well-rounded, does that mean they're Unitarians?


Whatever, as long as they aren't Trinitarians


Her name's Inez, not Eccentrica.


Statutory fine of .3333333333 recurring Altairian Dollars for
mentioning the Galactic government's well-known form in triplicate. ;-)

I'll pay in Ningis, if you don't mind - what exchange rate can you offer.
Oh, and finer collects...


(She described the President as "the best bang since the 'Big' one".
Two heads are better than one, seemingly. Who did he grow that extra
arm for again??

I deposit \infinity -1 $Altairian. Oh, whoops. There's the other $1.

--
Robin Levett
rlevett@rlevett.ibmuklunix.net (unmunge by removing big blue - don't yahoo)
.



User: ""

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 02:26:59 PM
Dana Tweedy wrote:

"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136913875.591614.164810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Dana Tweedy wrote:

"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?


I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you
provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?


DJT

I am not sure how one determines religion from a photograph. If they
are well-rounded, does that mean they're Unitarians?


Whatever, as long as they aren't Trinitarians


DJT


I'll bet that there Quakers in thier free state.
.


User: "Tom McDonald"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 11 Jan 2006 10:01:07 PM
Inez wrote:

Dana Tweedy wrote:

"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

And more importantly, are my boobs christian?


I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?


DJT


I am not sure how one determines religion from a photograph. If they
are well-rounded, does that mean they're Unitarians?

I think it's more likely that they're some form of dualism.
Zoroaster?
.
User: "John Wilkins"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 11 Jan 2006 08:16:38 PM
Tom McDonald wrote:

Inez wrote:

Dana Tweedy wrote:


"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?


I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?


DJT


I am not sure how one determines religion from a photograph. If they
are well-rounded, does that mean they're Unitarians?



I think it's more likely that they're some form of dualism.
Zoroaster?

Only if one is good and the other evil. Two good ones would make them polytheists.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
.
User: "Tom McDonald"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 13 Jan 2006 01:23:04 AM
John Wilkins wrote:

Tom McDonald wrote:

Inez wrote:


Dana Tweedy wrote:



"Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136911930.170723.8920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...



And more importantly, are my boobs christian?


I think we will have to examine this question more deeply. Can you provide
photographic evidence to make an informed decision?


DJT


I am not sure how one determines religion from a photograph. If they
are well-rounded, does that mean they're Unitarians?



I think it's more likely that they're some form of dualism.
Zoroaster?


Only if one is good and the other evil. Two good ones would make them polytheists.

Plastic gods? Inez, do you have something to tell us?
.





User: "Glend"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 02:41:40 PM
Inez wrote:

And more importantly, are my boobs christian?

Are they righteous boobs?
Glen Davidson
http://tinyurl.com/b8ykm
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 07:16:17 PM
On 10 Jan 2006 08:52:10 -0800, "Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com>
wrote:


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?

i dunno. lemme take a look at them and i'll let you know
.
User: "John Wilkins"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 09:41:38 PM
wrote:

On 10 Jan 2006 08:52:10 -0800, "Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com>
wrote:


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?



i dunno. lemme take a look at them and i'll let you know

You can tell just by looking? I need to do a tactile investigation, myself.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
.
User: "maff"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 09:46:31 PM
John Wilkins wrote:

wf3h@comcast.net wrote:

On 10 Jan 2006 08:52:10 -0800, "Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com>
wrote:


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?



i dunno. lemme take a look at them and i'll let you know

You can tell just by looking? I need to do a tactile investigation, myself.

Do it in braille.


--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera

.

User: ""

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 09:43:40 PM
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:41:38 +1000, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:

wf3h@comcast.net wrote:

On 10 Jan 2006 08:52:10 -0800, "Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com>
wrote:


And more importantly, are my boobs christian?



i dunno. lemme take a look at them and i'll let you know

You can tell just by looking? I need to do a tactile investigation, myself.

scratch and sniff perhaps?
.
User: "John Wilkins"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 10 Jan 2006 10:00:41 PM
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:41:38 +1000, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:


wrote:

On 10 Jan 2006 08:52:10 -0800, "Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com>
wrote:



And more importantly, are my boobs christian?



i dunno. lemme take a look at them and i'll let you know


You can tell just by looking? I need to do a tactile investigation, myself.



scratch and sniff perhaps?

That's part of it, of course, but to really tell you need to see if there is a
taste of sanctity. Or is that sanctitty?
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
.





User: "KillerChihuahua"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 08:17:24 AM
I read Fritz Schaefer's article at
http://www.origins.org/articles/schaefer_bigbangandgod.html, and it
does not appear to be endorsing ID. Nor even creationism. He espouses
the view that when he makes a discovery, he says 'So that's how God
did it!' which would be entirely consistent with most Christians who
are scientists. He appears to endorse the Theistic evolution view. He
speaks primarily of the Big Bang vs. steady state rather than
evolution. Are there any articles which clearly state he supports ID,
or his position on Creationism or evolution clearly?
.

User: "Stanley Friesen"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 09:06:27 AM
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jan 5, 2006
by Chuck Colson ( bio | archive )

The New York Times ushered in the new year with a nice gift for
Christians—one it did not give to anyone else: a slap in the face.

The slap came in the form of a piece written by Thomas Vinciguerra. It
was titled, “The Pre-Blogger: Find Mencken at
nature-abhors-a-moron.com.” Sixty years ago, H. L. Mencken was one of
America’s most acerbic social critics, and the Times was speculating
on whether Mencken would have become a blogger. Vinciguerra then
offered entries from a hypothetical Mencken blog—entries that were
indicative of both the bigotry and ignorance of the New York Times.

One entry read: “Sanity has triumphed in Dover, Pennsylvania, where
the boobs who tried to foist intelligent design on the local lyceums
have been soundly thrashed . . . Would that this victory were
permanent. It will take more than jurisprudence to retire the forces
of ignorance. Meanwhile, we can only hope they engage in less
egregious forms of buncombe—like installing the Ten Commandments in
public squares, or speaking in tongues.”

Ha, ha, ha. Very funny.

Of course, Mencken referred to Christians as “rustic ignoramuses” when
he wasn’t calling us worse things.

I do not know what the real Mencken said, but the above quote does not
call *Christians* boobs, just those people who want to put
pseudo-scientific ID into science classes. The two sets are not
co-extensive.


The Times also exposed its ignorance of the kind of people who espouse
intelligent design. Does it realize it is calling Albert Einstein a
boob? Einstein once said: “God does not play dice with the cosmos”—he
found design in the universe.

This shows a complete misunderstanding of what Einstein was talking
about. He was talking about the fundamental randomness of quantum
theory, not the status of the whole universe.
And even if one sees design with one's spiritual eyes, this does not
make this a *scientific* conclusion.

Scientist Fritz Schaefer—four times
nominated for a Nobel Prize—is another “boob” who believes in the
intelligent design theory.

Not knowing Schaefer's writings, I cannot comment on this. But are you
sure you are not misunderstanding him as badly as you did Einstein?

So does Professor Michael Behe,

Who *is* a boob, who thinks astrology is science.

the Lehigh
biochemist who has proven the “irreducible complexity” of the human
cell structure.

Who is just as much a boob as Behe. He has proven nothing. His
arguments are based on a total misunderstanding of how evolution works,
and on how life likely originated.
--
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
.

User: "guscubed"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 02:15:31 AM
Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jan 5, 2006
by Chuck Colson ( bio | archive )

The New York Times ushered in the new year with a nice gift for
Christians-one it did not give to anyone else: a slap in the face.

The slap came in the form of a piece written by Thomas Vinciguerra. It
was titled, "The Pre-Blogger: Find Mencken at
nature-abhors-a-moron.com." Sixty years ago, H. L. Mencken was one of
America's most acerbic social critics, and the Times was speculating
on whether Mencken would have become a blogger. Vinciguerra then
offered entries from a hypothetical Mencken blog-entries that were
indicative of both the bigotry and ignorance of the New York Times.

One entry read: "Sanity has triumphed in Dover, Pennsylvania, where
the boobs who tried to foist intelligent design on the local lyceums
have been soundly thrashed . . . Would that this victory were
permanent. It will take more than jurisprudence to retire the forces
of ignorance. Meanwhile, we can only hope they engage in less
egregious forms of buncombe-like installing the Ten Commandments in
public squares, or speaking in tongues."

Ha, ha, ha. Very funny.

Of course, Mencken referred to Christians as "rustic ignoramuses" when
he wasn't calling us worse things. But he also had insulting things to
say about women, Blacks, and Jews-comments that today we recognize as
both ignorant and offensive. To its credit, the Times would never
dream of trying to be funny by calling Blacks and women mentally
inferior, or by imitating Mencken's viciously anti-Semitic comments.
But when it comes to Christians, all bets are off. And like any bigot,
the newspaper that celebrates itself for politically correct tolerance
and exquisite sensitivity can't seem to recognize its own blind
prejudice.

Awww! I'm confused, I'm forever being told that Christians are in the
majority in the US, they are in ascendence, ID and other ridiculous
dogma is gaining acceptance etc. and now you tell me that you are being
victimised?

The Times also exposed its ignorance of the kind of people who espouse
intelligent design. Does it realize it is calling Albert Einstein a
boob?

As far as I know, Einstein was not a Christian, let alone a
Creationist. Please feel free to correct me on this...

Einstein once said: "God does not play dice with the cosmos"-he
found design in the universe.

Well there's quite a logical leap you're taking there fella! I can't
escape the legacy of my upbringing, I often use phrases like 'God
knows','Jesus!' or 'Christ on a bike!', simply because they are common
phrases that the people I'm talking too understand my sentiment, not
because I 'Believe'. I assume Einstein was using 'God' much as I and
other people you might deem unbelievers would, as a metaphor, not as
affirmation that a space-ghost made all things bright and beautiful on
a Thursday afternoon just before teatime in 4004 BC.

Scientist Fritz Schaefer-four times
nominated for a Nobel Prize-is another "boob" who believes in the
intelligent design theory.

Well, if he believes ID is a valid scientific theory, then yes - he is
a boob

So does Professor Michael Behe, the Lehigh
biochemist who has proven the "irreducible complexity" of the human
cell structure.

Umm, he hasn't proven it to any of his peer's satisfaction AFAIK.

And then there is Oxford Professor Antony Flew, the
famous British philosopher. Throughout his long career, Flew argued
that there was a "presumption of atheism"-that is, the existence of a
creator could not be proved. Intelligent design caused Flew, at the
age of 81, to reverse himself and acknowledge God as creator. Flew is
"ignorant"?

Well, he's a philosopher, I wouldn't trust a hardresser to tell me how
to fix my car, but I would place more credence in the word of a
mechanic when it comes to automobile maintenance

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Read it at
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/chuckcolson/2006/01/05/181080.html









J. Spaceman

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User: "Bonfire of the Deities..."

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 03:49:30 AM
"guscubed" <james.prendergast@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136448931.472207.175380@g47g2000cwa.


Well, he's a philosopher, I wouldn't trust a hardresser to tell me how
to fix my car, but I would place more credence in the word of a
mechanic when it comes to automobile maintenance

And how much credence do you think we should place in the journalistic
lucubrations of a former Watergate conspirator...?
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcolson.htm
;-)
Bonf.
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User: "A.Carlson"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 06:54:41 PM
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:49:30 GMT, "'Bonfire of the Deities...'"
<Bonfire@tert.com> wrote:

"guscubed" <james.prendergast@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136448931.472207.175380@g47g2000cwa.


Well, he's a philosopher, I wouldn't trust a hardresser to tell me how
to fix my car, but I would place more credence in the word of a
mechanic when it comes to automobile maintenance


And how much credence do you think we should place in the journalistic
lucubrations of a former Watergate conspirator...?
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcolson.htm

But now that he has found Gawd, he's a completely changed
man...Honest!
Of course his new-found religious beliefs also fuel and justify his
anti-gay rhetoric, his attacks on science as well as anything else he
personally feels is 'unchristian'.
.


User: "Bobby D. Bryant"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 10:40:50 AM
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006, "guscubed" <james.prendergast@gmail.com> wrote:

Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jan 5, 2006
by Chuck Colson ( bio | archive )

8<

Of course, Mencken referred to Christians as "rustic ignoramuses" when
he wasn't calling us worse things. But he also had insulting things to
say about women, Blacks, and Jews-comments that today we recognize as
both ignorant and offensive. To its credit, the Times would never
dream of trying to be funny by calling Blacks and women mentally
inferior, or by imitating Mencken's viciously anti-Semitic comments.
But when it comes to Christians, all bets are off. And like any bigot,
the newspaper that celebrates itself for politically correct tolerance
and exquisite sensitivity can't seem to recognize its own blind
prejudice.


Awww! I'm confused, I'm forever being told that Christians are in
the majority in the US, they are in ascendence, ID and other
ridiculous dogma is gaining acceptance etc. and now you tell me that
you are being victimised?

This meme is so deeply entrenched among (some) Christians that it
leaves me wondering whether the Roman persecutions actually happened,
or at least whether they might have be greatly exaggerated and spun.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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User: "Bonfire of the Deities..."

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 10:51:27 AM
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:dpji6h$mnk$3@geraldo


Awww! I'm confused, I'm forever being told that Christians are in
the majority in the US, they are in ascendence, ID and other
ridiculous dogma is gaining acceptance etc. and now you tell me that
you are being victimised?


This meme is so deeply entrenched among (some) Christians that it
leaves me wondering whether the Roman persecutions actually happened,
or at least whether they might have be greatly exaggerated and spun.

Interesting thought!
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/persecutions.html
Bonf.
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User: ""

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 04:19:13 AM
Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jan 5, 2006
by Chuck Colson ( bio | archive )

The New York Times ushered in the new year with a nice gift for
Christians-one it did not give to anyone else: a slap in the face.

<snip>

Read it at
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/chuckcolson/2006/01/05/181080.html

In his whine, Colson tells one falsehood and unwittingly (in
both possible meanings) tips the hand of the ignorant's next
target after losing the battle to call ignorant design a
"science".
Colson may be right when he says xians are being insulted; it
certainly isn't the best way to win an argument, even though I'm
guilty of it myself from time to time. But he seems to consider
any criticism of xianity an insult, even when it's valid. Near
the end, he claims xianity has "absolute truth". Hardly; what
it has is absolute _certainty_. As with most xians and right
wingers, Colson doesn't provide an email address on his page to
let people point this out. What's he afraid of?
Second, because the xianuts :-) have lost the battle to claim
their religious view is a "science", it seems clear their next
tack will be to declare evolution and sciences of natural means
(the big bang, abiogenesis, and evolution) as a religion. It's
equally doomed, but like a child who keeps going back and forth
between parents who say "no", the xians will maintain their
petulance until they get what they want, they get spanked again,
or they grow up.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
-----
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,
it's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
- George W. Bush, US President
"I've never seen a pro-choicer bomb any churches. Have you?"
- Aaron Kinney, speaking on Eric Rudolph
"The best thing about the Left Behind books is the way the
non-Christians get their guts pulled out by God."
- 15-year-old fundamentalist fan of the books
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User: "Bonfire of the Deities..."

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 04:31:52 AM
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
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Second, because the xianuts :-) have lost the battle to claim
their religious view is a "science", it seems clear their next
tack will be to declare evolution and sciences of natural means
(the big bang, abiogenesis, and evolution) as a religion. It's
equally doomed, but like a child who keeps going back and forth
between parents who say "no", the xians will maintain their
petulance until they get what they want, they get spanked again,
or they grow up.

"A spanking!! A spanking!!"
Bonf.
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User: "CreateThis"

Title: Re: Chuck Colson: Over the Line: Are Christians 'Boobs'? 05 Jan 2006 08:41:06 AM
wrote:

Colson may be right when he says xians are being insulted

No, he's not right. Christians are not being insulted; a small fringe
of ignorant religious extremists posing as Christians and trying to lie
their way into public schools are being insulted.
CT
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