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"J Young" |
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20 Aug 2007 12:00:14 AM |
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Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6595094
ARLINGTON, Texas-A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran
24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard
Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister,
Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of
his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's gay
so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because
their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf
War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him
for a heart transplant.
The church's pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who
was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service,
when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men
"engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing."
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have
appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
"We did decline to host the service-not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it-yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
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J Young
younginsights@aol.com
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24 Aug 2007 05:18:04 PM |
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On Aug 24, 5:14 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:50:21 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
On Aug 24, 1:53 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Aug 2007 22:16:51 -0700, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
They're prohibiting an act - which particular act is irrelevant.
It is highly relevant to what I said, which was that the text is
ambiguous in the original language.
It's not ambiguous to my point that it doesn't condemn homosexuality.
It is your opinion that when the passage was written it was intended
to be literally a condemnation of some particular act, and that the
act was not intended to stand in for any and all homosexual behavior.
But that is not fact, as nobody knows what the authors intended.
But the Bible nowhere condemns the state of being homosexual, since
that was an unknown factor at the time the Bible was written.
Well, if that is the case -- if they had no concept of homosexuality
as we know it today, but they did condemn one or more common examples
of homosexual behavior, then I see it as a reasonable interpretation
that the Bible is against homosexuality.
Although, to be honest I have to admit I'm only commenting based on
what I have read in this thread as I have never researched the subject
myself. I don't really understand the mentality of caring what
someone else's sexual orientation is in the first place. People could
be sexually attracted to doorknobs for all I care. I'm happy with my
wife and that's all that really matters to me.
It's a matter of interpretation
It's a matter that no one can condemn something they don't know
exists.
True enough. I just say there very well could be enough evidence that
they would have condemned it had they had the concept of it to make
that interpretation reasonable. Not necessarily correct, but a valid
possibility.
Now, *WHY* it should matter today what people did or did not condemn
2,000 years ago is a complete mystery to me as it would seem to have
nothing to do with our lives in modern society. The laws of the
Bible, good or bad, were written in a time so far removed from ours
that they might as well have been written by aliens on Mars for all
the relevance it has today.
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
24 Aug 2007 05:23:22 PM |
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<patrick.barnes@standardregister.com> wrote in message
news:1187993884.005290.280400@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 24, 5:14 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:50:21 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
On Aug 24, 1:53 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Aug 2007 22:16:51 -0700, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
They're prohibiting an act - which particular act is irrelevant.
It is highly relevant to what I said, which was that the text is
ambiguous in the original language.
It's not ambiguous to my point that it doesn't condemn homosexuality.
It is your opinion that when the passage was written it was intended
to be literally a condemnation of some particular act, and that the
act was not intended to stand in for any and all homosexual behavior.
But that is not fact, as nobody knows what the authors intended.
But the Bible nowhere condemns the state of being homosexual, since
that was an unknown factor at the time the Bible was written.
Well, if that is the case -- if they had no concept of homosexuality
as we know it today, but they did condemn one or more common examples
of homosexual behavior, then I see it as a reasonable interpretation
that the Bible is against homosexuality.
Perhaps you should go preach at the Children of Israel, since that is to
whom Leviticus is addressed.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
24 Aug 2007 08:44:05 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:18:04 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
On Aug 24, 5:14 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:50:21 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
On Aug 24, 1:53 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Aug 2007 22:16:51 -0700, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
They're prohibiting an act - which particular act is irrelevant.
It is highly relevant to what I said, which was that the text is
ambiguous in the original language.
It's not ambiguous to my point that it doesn't condemn homosexuality.
It is your opinion that when the passage was written it was intended
to be literally a condemnation of some particular act, and that the
act was not intended to stand in for any and all homosexual behavior.
But that is not fact, as nobody knows what the authors intended.
But the Bible nowhere condemns the state of being homosexual, since
that was an unknown factor at the time the Bible was written.
Well, if that is the case -- if they had no concept of homosexuality
as we know it today, but they did condemn one or more common examples
of homosexual behavior, then I see it as a reasonable interpretation
that the Bible is against homosexuality.
Since HETEROSEXUALS also engage in homosexual acts, by your logic it's
against heterosexuality too.
Although, to be honest I have to admit I'm only commenting based on
what I have read in this thread as I have never researched the subject
myself. I don't really understand the mentality of caring what
someone else's sexual orientation is in the first place. People could
be sexually attracted to doorknobs for all I care. I'm happy with my
wife and that's all that really matters to me.
Me too, but I remember Pastor Martin Niemöller.
True enough. I just say there very well could be enough evidence that
they would have condemned it had they had the concept of it to make
that interpretation reasonable. Not necessarily correct, but a valid
possibility.
I said that it *didn't* condemn homosexuality. Whether it would have
done this or that is anyone's guess, but has nothing to do with the
Christian claim that it DOES condemn homosexuality.
Now, *WHY* it should matter today what people did or did not condemn
2,000 years ago is a complete mystery to me as it would seem to have
nothing to do with our lives in modern society.
Many Christians in the US seem to think that, unless the US is turned
into a Christian theocracy, with laws derived from their Bible, their
freedom to practice their religion is being abridged.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
24 Aug 2007 11:02:38 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:44:05 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:18:04 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
On Aug 24, 5:14 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:50:21 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
On Aug 24, 1:53 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Aug 2007 22:16:51 -0700, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
They're prohibiting an act - which particular act is irrelevant.
It is highly relevant to what I said, which was that the text is
ambiguous in the original language.
It's not ambiguous to my point that it doesn't condemn homosexuality.
It is your opinion that when the passage was written it was intended
to be literally a condemnation of some particular act, and that the
act was not intended to stand in for any and all homosexual behavior.
But that is not fact, as nobody knows what the authors intended.
But the Bible nowhere condemns the state of being homosexual, since
that was an unknown factor at the time the Bible was written.
Well, if that is the case -- if they had no concept of homosexuality
as we know it today, but they did condemn one or more common examples
of homosexual behavior, then I see it as a reasonable interpretation
that the Bible is against homosexuality.
Since HETEROSEXUALS also engage in homosexual acts, by your logic it's
against heterosexuality too.
Give an example.
Although, to be honest I have to admit I'm only commenting based on
what I have read in this thread as I have never researched the subject
myself. I don't really understand the mentality of caring what
someone else's sexual orientation is in the first place. People could
be sexually attracted to doorknobs for all I care. I'm happy with my
wife and that's all that really matters to me.
Me too, but I remember Pastor Martin Niemöller.
True enough. I just say there very well could be enough evidence that
they would have condemned it had they had the concept of it to make
that interpretation reasonable. Not necessarily correct, but a valid
possibility.
I said that it *didn't* condemn homosexuality. Whether it would have
done this or that is anyone's guess, but has nothing to do with the
Christian claim that it DOES condemn homosexuality.
Now, *WHY* it should matter today what people did or did not condemn
2,000 years ago is a complete mystery to me as it would seem to have
nothing to do with our lives in modern society.
Many Christians in the US seem to think that, unless the US is turned
into a Christian theocracy, with laws derived from their Bible, their
freedom to practice their religion is being abridged.
You have no proof of that. It's simply another stupid claim made by an
atheist homosexual.
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| User: "" |
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24 Aug 2007 10:57:27 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:05:02 -0400, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
Well, if that is the case -- if they had no concept of homosexuality
as we know it today, but they did condemn one or more common examples
of homosexual behavior, then I see it as a reasonable interpretation
that the Bible is against homosexuality.
CAUTION: READ TEXT BEFORE VIEWING ATTACHMENT.
Ah, the ol' if it looks gay, then it must be. You'd have a blast with the thespians.
Homosexual acts? Or religious worship?
We should remember that the monotheism of Judaism was in strict competition with many
other religions of the time, some of which practiced anal sex as a way to gain their god's
favor. Specifically, those gods were: Inana, Cybele, Anath, Molech, Ishtar, Baal, Hathor,
and Asherah. These gods had both male and female priests and having sex with those priests
was an act of worship designed to bring about the fertility of fields and to ensure
childbirth.
The attachment is from a Persian seal from the 8th to 7th century BC depicting how one
gained Ishtar's favor. It's rather explicit and is not for everyone.
So, what we see is the authors of the Old Testament expressing a demand that the
Israelites give their loyalty and fealty to the ONE GOD (ignoring the implied impressing
of servitude in Proverbs 8:22 of course), lest they face judgment. This was to be
accomplished via the Holiness Code; Whose one major emphases was to protect the Israelites
from idolatry and help them distinguish between magical and faithful thinking.
That was indeed a problem, as can be witnessed by at least one incident involving Jacob's
wife and some terafim, or small idols, in Genesis 31:33-35. We also see, in the third
chapter of Jeremiah, that the Lord chastised the Israelites in general for "committing
fornication with stone and wood." (Use your imagination, and remember those fertility
cults had an answer for what to do in the absence of a partner.) The Almighty had to
battle some well-entrenched pagan influences for hundreds of years.
Pagan influences can STILL be seen in Christianity today. Ever ever wondered what Bacchus
-- the ancient Greek god of carnal pleasures and "partying" who is featured in the Bacchus
Parade held during Mardi Gras -- has to do with Christianity? Simple: He was an influence
who -- much like Mithras -- just could not be stamped out and was thus "adopted into" this
new, budding faith.
The Holiness Code had nothing to do with homosexuality as we understand it today. The
prohibitions against homosexual sex acts were meant to keep the people in God's thrall --
and note that there are no prohibitions against homosexuals themselves anywhere in the
Bible. Generally speaking, Old Testament proscriptions against homosexual behavior are
culturally bound, serving a distinct purpose whose time has passed. They stem from the
times of the Hebrew tribes wandering in the wilderness and settling in Canaan. The Hebrews
needed strict moral laws governing social behavior, dietary habits and social interaction
to enforce their distinct uniqueness as a group of people. The laws separated the Hebrews
from the rest of the rabble. These proscriptions were later codified during the crisis of
the Babylonian Captivity, when the Jews needed strict religious laws to insure their
cultural survival as a separate ("holy") people in an alien land, nothing more, nothing
less.
Although, to be honest I have to admit I'm only commenting based on
what I have read in this thread as I have never researched the subject
myself.
Hope that clears things up.
That was an excerpt from "Sin and the Sodomites: An examination of homophobia, fact, and
faith." (http://home.insight.rr.com/snookems/sin-of-sodom.html)
Then It's nothing more than one homosexual's opinion that's biased in
favor of homosexuality. Yes, that really clears thing up alright
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| User: "" |
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24 Aug 2007 10:51:08 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:14:49 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:50:21 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
On Aug 24, 1:53 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 23 Aug 2007 22:16:51 -0700, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
They're prohibiting an act - which particular act is irrelevant.
It is highly relevant to what I said, which was that the text is
ambiguous in the original language.
It's not ambiguous to my point that it doesn't condemn homosexuality.
It is your opinion that when the passage was written it was intended
to be literally a condemnation of some particular act, and that the
act was not intended to stand in for any and all homosexual behavior.
But that is not fact, as nobody knows what the authors intended.
But the Bible nowhere condemns the state of being homosexual, since
that was an unknown factor at the time the Bible was written.
But behavior of a homosexual nature, as we know it today was known
then. Are you denying that fact?
It's a matter of interpretation
It's a matter that no one can condemn something they don't know
exists.
Are you saying that homosexual behavior didn't exist in biblical
times? How strange that is when other homosexuals who speak almost the
same words that you do claim that Jesus was a homosexual. How do you
square that?
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| User: "" |
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24 Aug 2007 10:42:05 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:53:58 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
It's not ambiguous to my point that it doesn't condemn homosexuality.
Sure it does.
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| User: "" |
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23 Aug 2007 08:47:10 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:18:59 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:06:03 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:41 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:43:19 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
If it says "A", you can't "sincerely believe" it says "~A", unless you
either can't read or are a moron. Some ambiguous sentence may be open
to interpretation, but a direct simple sentence isn't, and the Bible
doesn't condemn homosexuality.
Except it wasn't written in English and the translation is not always
clear (although the meaning of a particular translation may be very
clear but wrong).
In this case, it's clear that the prohibition is against an act, not
against a state of being.
Guess again - it is not even clear which act was being prohibited (some
interepretted it as anal sex in general and others as anal sex with
a pagan temple prostitute, and still others as two men having sex in
a woman's bed instead of in their own bed).
It's still an act, even if it's not clear which act. Homosexuality
isn't an act.
Sigh. I never said they were objecting to a sexual orientation.
I said Christianity claims that the Bible is against homosexuality.
It's not. It never even mentions homosexuality.
Those who profess to know said it never metion "Gay" or "Lesbian" or
Bisexual", the best reason being that none of those words existed in
the context of that time. The state of being one of those particular
oreintations was certainly known though, it was simply stated in a
different way. Homosexuality is a fairly recent word. Of course I
could be mistaken but I seem to recall that it was coined in the 19th
century.
What I wrote was "Except it wasn't written in English and the
translation is not always clear (although the meaning of a particular
translation may be very clear but wrong)." You then replied with a
non sequitur saying the probibition was against an act, when the point
was that you couldn't tell specifically what they were actually
prohibiting
They're prohibiting an act - which particular act is irrelevant.
(interpretations include anal sex, anal sex with a temple
prostitute, or two guys doing it in a woman's bed instead of their
own bed).
None of which has anything to do with BEING homosexual, which is what
Christianity claims the Bible calls an abomination.
You are disclaiming your own words.
Quote; "...Christianity claims that the Bible is against
homosexuality. It's not. It never even mentions homosexuality."
As a Christian do you agree that the Bible is against men having sex
with men, you know, as homosexuals and bisexuals do today?
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| User: "Bernard Hubbard" |
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24 Aug 2007 12:06:36 AM |
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wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:18:59 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:06:03 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:41 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:43:19 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
If it says "A", you can't "sincerely believe" it says "~A", unless you
either can't read or are a moron. Some ambiguous sentence may be open
to interpretation, but a direct simple sentence isn't, and the Bible
doesn't condemn homosexuality.
Except it wasn't written in English and the translation is not always
clear (although the meaning of a particular translation may be very
clear but wrong).
In this case, it's clear that the prohibition is against an act, not
against a state of being.
Guess again - it is not even clear which act was being prohibited (some
interepretted it as anal sex in general and others as anal sex with
a pagan temple prostitute, and still others as two men having sex in
a woman's bed instead of in their own bed).
It's still an act, even if it's not clear which act. Homosexuality
isn't an act.
Sigh. I never said they were objecting to a sexual orientation.
I said Christianity claims that the Bible is against homosexuality.
It's not. It never even mentions homosexuality.
Those who profess to know said it never metion "Gay" or "Lesbian" or
Bisexual", the best reason being that none of those words existed in
the context of that time. The state of being one of those particular
oreintations was certainly known though, it was simply stated in a
different way. Homosexuality is a fairly recent word. Of course I
could be mistaken but I seem to recall that it was coined in the 19th
century.
What I wrote was "Except it wasn't written in English and the
translation is not always clear (although the meaning of a particular
translation may be very clear but wrong)." You then replied with a
non sequitur saying the probibition was against an act, when the point
was that you couldn't tell specifically what they were actually
prohibiting
They're prohibiting an act - which particular act is irrelevant.
(interpretations include anal sex, anal sex with a temple
prostitute, or two guys doing it in a woman's bed instead of their
own bed).
None of which has anything to do with BEING homosexual, which is what
Christianity claims the Bible calls an abomination.
You are disclaiming your own words.
Quote; "...Christianity claims that the Bible is against
homosexuality. It's not. It never even mentions homosexuality."
As a Christian do you agree that the Bible is against men having sex
with men, you know, as homosexuals and bisexuals do today?
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does exist
outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and not an
action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize this?
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24 Aug 2007 10:28:16 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:06:36 +1000, Bernard Hubbard
<bernard1938@westnet.com> wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does exist
outside of certain sexual acts.
No it can't and it doesn't. Stop trying to bull ***** the world, boy.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Aug 2007 05:28:05 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:28:16 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:06:36 +1000, Bernard Hubbard
<bernard1938@westnet.com> wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does exist
outside of certain sexual acts.
No it can't and it doesn't. Stop trying to bull ***** the world, boy.
So, a person who is a virgin but is attracted to members of the same
sex isn't homosexual?
What are they then?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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25 Aug 2007 05:57:54 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:28:05 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:28:16 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:06:36 +1000, Bernard Hubbard
<bernard1938@westnet.com> wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does exist
outside of certain sexual acts.
No it can't and it doesn't. Stop trying to bull ***** the world, boy.
So, a person who is a virgin but is attracted to members of the same
sex isn't homosexual?
If they are a virgin how do you know what gender they are attracted
to?
What are they then?
Who cares, they're virgins.
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26 Aug 2007 05:57:08 PM |
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wrote:
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What are they then?
Who cares, they're virgins.
Picturing info-mercial stating that: "You too could be a porn producer! All you need are
virgins!"
Ah, the morality...
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
When nature is calling, plain speaking is out,
When the ladies, God bless 'em, are milling about;
You may wee-wee, make water or empty the glass.
You can powder your nose, even Johnny can pass.
Shake the dew off the lily, see a man about a dog;
When everyone's drunk, it's condensing the fog.
But please do remember if you would know bliss,
That only in Shakespeare do characters ----
(Found in _The Legacy of Heorot_)
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Aug 2007 07:46:42 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:57:54 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:28:05 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
So, a person who is a virgin but is attracted to members of the same
sex isn't homosexual?
If they are a virgin how do you know what gender they are attracted
to?
ROTFLMAO!!! I don't know about you, but when I was 11 I had a store
of my dad's old Playboy and Penthouse magazines hidden away. When the
girls in my class started blooming, I was always staring at their
tits.
Trust me, I didn't watch Charlie's Angels for the excellent writing
and in-depth plots!
LONG before I even kissed a girl, I was attracted to them. By the time
I actually slept with a female of the species, the question was moot.
What are they then?
Who cares, they're virgins.
Answer the question.
Dave is a virgin. He is attracted to men. He has erotic dreams about
men. Watches gay porn.
What is he?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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26 Aug 2007 10:14:28 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:46:42 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:57:54 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:28:05 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
So, a person who is a virgin but is attracted to members of the same
sex isn't homosexual?
If they are a virgin how do you know what gender they are attracted
to?
ROTFLMAO!!! I don't know about you, but when I was 11 I had a store
of my dad's old Playboy and Penthouse magazines hidden away. When the
girls in my class started blooming, I was always staring at their
tits.
Trust me, I didn't watch Charlie's Angels for the excellent writing
and in-depth plots!
LONG before I even kissed a girl, I was attracted to them. By the time
I actually slept with a female of the species, the question was moot.
What are they then?
Who cares, they're virgins.
Answer the question.
Dave is a virgin. He is attracted to men. He has erotic dreams about
men. Watches gay porn.
What is he?
That you whacked off as a teen hasn't anything to do with the subject
matter. Get back on course, boot.
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26 Aug 2007 12:37:49 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:14:28 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:46:42 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:57:54 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
ROTFLMAO!!! I don't know about you, but when I was 11 I had a store
of my dad's old Playboy and Penthouse magazines hidden away. When the
girls in my class started blooming, I was always staring at their
tits.
Trust me, I didn't watch Charlie's Angels for the excellent writing
and in-depth plots!
LONG before I even kissed a girl, I was attracted to them. By the time
I actually slept with a female of the species, the question was moot.
What are they then?
Who cares, they're virgins.
Answer the question.
Dave is a virgin. He is attracted to men. He has erotic dreams about
men. Watches gay porn.
What is he?
That you whacked off as a teen hasn't anything to do with the subject
matter. Get back on course, boot.
Answer the question.
Dave is a virgin. He is attracted to men. He has erotic dreams about
men. Watches gay porn.
What is he?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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26 Aug 2007 02:06:30 PM |
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In article <3ie3d351mp5b9a8fbjhg2cctqa8mat7q37@4ax.com>,
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Dave is a virgin. He is attracted to men. He has erotic dreams about
men. Watches gay porn.
What is he?
Unattractive!
What's my prize?
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655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
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26 Aug 2007 08:54:30 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:37:49 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:14:28 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:46:42 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:57:54 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
ROTFLMAO!!! I don't know about you, but when I was 11 I had a store
of my dad's old Playboy and Penthouse magazines hidden away. When the
girls in my class started blooming, I was always staring at their
tits.
Trust me, I didn't watch Charlie's Angels for the excellent writing
and in-depth plots!
LONG before I even kissed a girl, I was attracted to them. By the time
I actually slept with a female of the species, the question was moot.
What are they then?
Who cares, they're virgins.
Answer the question.
Dave is a virgin. He is attracted to men. He has erotic dreams about
men. Watches gay porn.
What is he?
That you whacked off as a teen hasn't anything to do with the subject
matter. Get back on course, boot.
Answer the question.
Dave is a virgin. He is attracted to men. He has erotic dreams about
men. Watches gay porn.
What is he?
He laying groundwork for avoiding the military draft that the
democrats will reinstate in '08.
Don't you recognize that that is what Dave is doing? Has Dave
completely hoodwinked you, boy? It clear that you have no "real world"
experience at all -- had you, you wouldn't be asking such foolish
questions. You would have enough common knowledge to figure it out for
yourself. It is a matter of common knowledge, you know.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Aug 2007 12:52:53 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:06:36 +1000, Bernard Hubbard
<bernard1938@westnet.com> wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does exist
outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and not an
action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize this?
The day after the heat death death of the universe, most likely.
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24 Aug 2007 10:40:39 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does exist
outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and not an
action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize this?
The day after the heat death death of the universe, most likely.
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large hole
in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Aug 2007 01:10:50 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does exist
outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and not an
action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize this?
The day after the heat death death of the universe, most likely.
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large hole
in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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25 Aug 2007 01:14:17 PM |
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In News n4s0d3lcjoi7r551e8a4dbnltctp2rmo97@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does
exist outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and
not an action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize this?
The day after the heat death death of the universe, most likely.
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large
hole in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
It seems rather odd that "they" are calling it that when so many Christians
have stepped up to say, "That must be where Heaven is!"
So, according to Leroy, Heaven is in HomoanusXXL.
Interesting.
--
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong
enough to take away everything you have."
Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Aug 2007 08:55:27 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:14:17 -0400, "Scruffy McScruffovitch"
<Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote:
In News n4s0d3lcjoi7r551e8a4dbnltctp2rmo97@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does
exist outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and
not an action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize this?
The day after the heat death death of the universe, most likely.
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large
hole in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
It seems rather odd that "they" are calling it that when so many Christians
have stepped up to say, "That must be where Heaven is!"
So, according to Leroy, Heaven is in HomoanusXXL.
Interesting.
That's where he PULLED IT out of.
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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26 Aug 2007 09:11:49 PM |
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In News vnb4d39s57i5tvdironn59ed78f90kubfs@4ax.com,, Al Klein at
rukbat@pern.invalid, typed this:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:14:17 -0400, "Scruffy McScruffovitch"
<Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote:
In News n4s0d3lcjoi7r551e8a4dbnltctp2rmo97@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does
exist outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and
not an action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize
this?
The day after the heat death death of the universe, most likely.
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large
hole in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
It seems rather odd that "they" are calling it that when so many
Christians have stepped up to say, "That must be where Heaven is!"
So, according to Leroy, Heaven is in HomoanusXXL.
Interesting.
That's where he PULLED IT out of.
LOL!
--
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong
enough to take away everything you have."
Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
25 Aug 2007 05:44:54 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:14:17 -0400, "Scruffy McScruffovitch"
<Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote:
In News n4s0d3lcjoi7r551e8a4dbnltctp2rmo97@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does
exist outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and
not an action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize this?
The day after the heat death death of the universe, most likely.
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large
hole in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
It seems rather odd that "they" are calling it that when so many Christians
have stepped up to say, "That must be where Heaven is!"
So, according to Leroy, Heaven is in HomoanusXXL.
No, according to Leroy you're a homosexual and you have sex with
other men.
Interesting.
Even more interesting:
HIV/AIDS and Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)
In the United States, HIV and AIDS have had a tremendous impact on
MSM. Consider these facts:
* AIDS has been diagnosed for more than half a million MSM. Over
300,000 MSM with AIDS have died since the beginning of the epidemic.
*
* MSM made up more than two thirds (68%) of all men living with
HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United
States reported having sex with other men. In a 2005 study of 5 large
US cities, 46% of African American MSM were HIV-positive.
Since HIV/AIDS in MSM was first diagnosed 1981, gay and bisexual men
have been leaders in dealing with the challenges of the epidemic. Gay
organizations and activists, through their work, have contributed
greatly to many of the guidelines for prevention, treatment, and the
care of people living with HIV/AIDS.
For complex reasons, HIV/AIDS continues to take a high toll on the MSM
population. For example, the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in
2005 was 11% more than the number of cases in 2001. Whatever the
reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new
HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents.
www.cdc.gov <MSM HIV/AIDS>
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25 Aug 2007 05:58:55 PM |
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<leroyblue@pillinor.net> wrote in message
news:j0c1d3hcen96o6u5aoloo6000obsvtoib9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:14:17 -0400, "Scruffy McScruffovitch"
<Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote:
In News n4s0d3lcjoi7r551e8a4dbnltctp2rmo97@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does
exist outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and
not an action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize this?
The day after the heat death death of the universe, most likely.
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large
hole in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
It seems rather odd that "they" are calling it that when so many
Christians
have stepped up to say, "That must be where Heaven is!"
So, according to Leroy, Heaven is in HomoanusXXL.
No,
Yes.
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25 Aug 2007 05:41:01 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:10:50 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Darling heart, in case you don't know homosexuality can and does exist
outside of certain sexual acts. It is a state of being and not an
action. When will you fundie fools learn to recognize this?
The day after the heat death death of the universe, most likely.
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large hole
in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
You really need to slack off on your homosexual chat rooms time and
read some general interest news now and then. Doing that would relieve
you from always being on the defense and having to call everyone a
liar because they know so much more than you do.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Aug 2007 07:50:59 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:41:01 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:10:50 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large hole
in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
You really need to slack off on your homosexual chat rooms time and
read some general interest news now and then. Doing that would relieve
you from always being on the defense and having to call everyone a
liar because they know so much more than you do.
The vacant area has a name. The WMAP Cold Spot. You lied and claimed
it was named something else. Why did you do that? Are you ignorant?
You also lie about my internet usage. I don't do chat rooms of any
kind. Don't have the time. I'm also an amateur astronomer and knew
about this before you did, it was all over the boards before the
general announcement.
So, why did you lie about this, asswipe?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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26 Aug 2007 10:18:20 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:50:59 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:41:01 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:10:50 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large hole
in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
You really need to slack off on your homosexual chat rooms time and
read some general interest news now and then. Doing that would relieve
you from always being on the defense and having to call everyone a
liar because they know so much more than you do.
The vacant area has a name. The WMAP Cold Spot. You lied and claimed
it was named something else. Why did you do that? Are you ignorant?
You also lie about my internet usage. I don't do chat rooms of any
kind. Don't have the time. I'm also an amateur astronomer and knew
about this before you did, it was all over the boards before the
general announcement.
So, why did you lie about this, asswipe?
No lies. I simply called it what other at my polo club were calling
it, "HomoanusXXL.". If it offends you, who cares...You don't really
matter.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
26 Aug 2007 12:37:04 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:18:20 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:50:59 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:41:01 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:10:50 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:39 GMT there was an Ancient
leroyblue@pillinor.net who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Are you aware that scientist just discovered a tremendously large hole
in the universe? They're calling it "HomoanusXXL."
Never get tired of lying, do you?
You really need to slack off on your homosexual chat rooms time and
read some general interest news now and then. Doing that would relieve
you from always being on the defense and having to call everyone a
liar because they know so much more than you do.
The vacant area has a name. The WMAP Cold Spot. You lied and claimed
it was named something else. Why did you do that? Are you ignorant?
You also lie about my internet usage. I don't do chat rooms of any
kind. Don't have the time. I'm also an amateur astronomer and knew
about this before you did, it was all over the boards before the
general announcement.
So, why did you lie about this, asswipe?
No lies. I simply called it what other at my polo club were calling
it, "HomoanusXXL.". If it offends you, who cares...You don't really
matter.
Not offended, just curious why you seem to be so attached to lies and
hatred.
Polo huh? So, what's your rating?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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