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"J Young" |
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20 Aug 2007 12:00:14 AM |
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Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6595094
ARLINGTON, Texas-A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran
24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard
Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister,
Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of
his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's gay
so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because
their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf
War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him
for a heart transplant.
The church's pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who
was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service,
when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men
"engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing."
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have
appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
"We did decline to host the service-not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it-yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
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J Young
younginsights@aol.com
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20 Aug 2007 06:18:44 AM |
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In News fab79v02mnl@news5.newsguy.com,, J Young at younginsights@aol.com,
typed this:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6595094
ARLINGTON, Texas-A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy
veteran 24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Anyone with a sense of decency should boycott that church.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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20 Aug 2007 07:08:03 PM |
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Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Anyone with a sense of decency should boycott that church.
Megachurches are just personality cults. Consider: Ever heard of one *without* a security
system loaded with cameras? The Gospel just saturates the places, don't it? All those
people. All those eyes. All those witnesses... And they need security cameras.
Moral folks must find it terribly onerous to testify in court.
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so
cannot; Or they neither can nor will, or lastly, they are both able and willing. If they
have the will to remove evil and cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can, but
will not, then they are not benevolent. If they are neither able or willing, then they are
neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and willing to annihilate
evil, how does it exist?
-- Epicurus, 300 BC
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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20 Aug 2007 07:35:09 PM |
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In News 46ca2ce1$0$18820$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, Dionisio at
moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com, typed this:
Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Anyone with a sense of decency should boycott that church.
Megachurches are just personality cults. Consider: Ever heard of one
*without* a security system loaded with cameras? The Gospel just
saturates the places, don't it? All those people. All those eyes. All
those witnesses... And they need security cameras.
Actually, I wouldn't know. I don't generally pay much attention to such
places, nor would I ever step foot in one.
Moral folks must find it terribly onerous to testify in court.
Yeah, that's the truth.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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20 Aug 2007 08:04:57 PM |
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Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Dionisio at moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com, typed this:
Megachurches are just personality cults. Consider: Ever heard of one
*without* a security system loaded with cameras? The Gospel just
saturates the places, don't it? All those people. All those eyes. All
those witnesses... And they need security cameras.
Actually, I wouldn't know. I don't generally pay much attention to such
places, nor would I ever step foot in one.
Your loss. Personally, I find the situation to be fascinating. Then again, I have a couple
megachurches just a short distance away; And I have a singularly strange predilection to
experience things myself.
Perhaps you aversion is for the best. They get a bit miffed about hysterical laughter.
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
If you don't know where you are going, you will probably end up somewhere else.
--Laurence J. Peter
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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20 Aug 2007 08:13:02 PM |
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In News 46ca3a38$0$15423$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, Dionisio at
moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com, typed this:
Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Dionisio at moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com, typed this:
Megachurches are just personality cults. Consider: Ever heard of one
*without* a security system loaded with cameras? The Gospel just
saturates the places, don't it? All those people. All those eyes.
All those witnesses... And they need security cameras.
Actually, I wouldn't know. I don't generally pay much attention to
such places, nor would I ever step foot in one.
Your loss. Personally, I find the situation to be fascinating. Then
again, I have a couple megachurches just a short distance away; And I
have a singularly strange predilection to experience things myself.
Perhaps you aversion is for the best. They get a bit miffed about
hysterical laughter.
LOL! True. Of course, I could always do my Linda Blair immitation. 40
years in the martial arts has kept me pretty flexible and I have been known
to projectile vomit from time to time. :)
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| User: "Syd M." |
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21 Aug 2007 01:25:01 AM |
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On Aug 20, 9:13 pm, "Scruffy McScruffovitch" <Scruff...@FAM.NET>
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In News 46ca3a38$0$15423$4c368...@roadrunner.com,, Dionisio at
moc-rr-thgi...@5ellimd.com, typed this:
Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Dionisio at moc-rr-thgi...@5ellimd.com, typed this:
Megachurches are just personality cults. Consider: Ever heard of one
*without* a security system loaded with cameras? The Gospel just
saturates the places, don't it? All those people. All those eyes.
All those witnesses... And they need security cameras.
Actually, I wouldn't know. I don't generally pay much attention to
such places, nor would I ever step foot in one.
Your loss. Personally, I find the situation to be fascinating. Then
again, I have a couple megachurches just a short distance away; And I
have a singularly strange predilection to experience things myself.
Perhaps you aversion is for the best. They get a bit miffed about
hysterical laughter.
LOL! True. Of course, I could always do my Linda Blair immitation. 40
years in the martial arts has kept me pretty flexible and I have been known
to projectile vomit from time to time. :)
LOL! That I'd love to see..
PDW
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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21 Aug 2007 06:49:28 PM |
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Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
LOL! True. Of course, I could always do my Linda Blair immitation.
That could be risky. You might accidentally say something profound "in Tongue" and never
be able to get off the mailing lists.
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
If this were the only venue through which they could understand the difference between
good and evil, how could they have known that it was wrong to disobey God and eat the fruit?
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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22 Aug 2007 07:37:57 AM |
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"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:46cb7a06$0$18976$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
LOL! True. Of course, I could always do my Linda Blair immitation.
That could be risky. You might accidentally say something profound "in
Tongue" and never be able to get off the mailing lists.
LOL! True. I'm already on Best Buy's mailing list, and those people are
annoying enough.
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of
good and evil. If this were the only venue through which they could
understand the difference between good and evil, how could they have known
that it was wrong to disobey God and eat the fruit?
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| User: "" |
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20 Aug 2007 07:50:38 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:08:03 -0400, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Anyone with a sense of decency should boycott that church.
Megachurches are just personality cults. Consider: Ever heard of one *without* a security
system loaded with cameras? The Gospel just saturates the places, don't it? All those
people. All those eyes. All those witnesses... And they need security cameras.
Considering the open hatred that homosexuals, atheist and homosexual
atheist have for religion, especially Christianity, it's no wonder
that they have security cameras in their churches. They never know
when some AIDS addled homosexual freak or an atheist is going to
"human bomb" them.
Moral folks must find it terribly onerous to testify in court.
Conversely...
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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20 Aug 2007 08:09:42 PM |
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wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Megachurches are just personality cults. Consider: Ever heard of one *without* a security
system loaded with cameras? The Gospel just saturates the places, don't it? All those
people. All those eyes. All those witnesses... And they need security cameras.
Considering the open hatred that homosexuals, atheist and homosexual
atheist have for religion, especially Christianity, it's no wonder
that they have security cameras in their churches. They never know
when some AIDS addled homosexual freak or an atheist is going to
"human bomb" them.
"Human bomb"? Is that something like spontaneous combustion? Seem to me that they'd
welcome such things. "Behold! Judgment has come! *He* is here with us, and watching out
for us! Won't you please show your support for Divine Justice? <cue collection plate>"
Moral folks must find it terribly onerous to testify in court.
Conversely...
Well, that flew right over your head...
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"Never eat more than you can lift."
-- Miss Piggy
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| User: "" |
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21 Aug 2007 12:45:44 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:09:42 -0400, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
leroyblue@pillinor.net wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Megachurches are just personality cults. Consider: Ever heard of one *without* a security
system loaded with cameras? The Gospel just saturates the places, don't it? All those
people. All those eyes. All those witnesses... And they need security cameras.
Considering the open hatred that homosexuals, atheist and homosexual
atheist have for religion, especially Christianity, it's no wonder
that they have security cameras in their churches. They never know
when some AIDS addled homosexual freak or an atheist is going to
"human bomb" them.
"Human bomb"? Is that something like spontaneous combustion? Seem to me that they'd
welcome such things. "Behold! Judgment has come! *He* is here with us, and watching out
for us! Won't you please show your support for Divine Justice? <cue collection plate>"
Damn, I wonder if the Iranians or Israelis or Palestinians killed by
Radical Islamic Terrorist wearing explosive "vest" ever thought of it
that way.
Moral folks must find it terribly onerous to testify in court.
Conversely...
Well, that flew right over your head...
It happens some time -- The Cuckoo stuff I just don't pay much
attention to.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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21 Aug 2007 06:53:09 PM |
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wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
"Human bomb"? Is that something like spontaneous combustion? Seem to me that they'd
welcome such things. "Behold! Judgment has come! *He* is here with us, and watching out
for us! Won't you please show your support for Divine Justice? <cue collection plate>"
Damn, I wonder if the Iranians or Israelis or Palestinians killed by
Radical Islamic Terrorist wearing explosive "vest" ever thought of it
that way.
Hate to have to tell you this, but homosexuals don't bomb many things. There are a few who
do blast things to make art, but they tend to utilize water heaters, stoves, dishwashers,
and whatnot. Buildings? Nope. That's rarer than abortion clinic bombings.
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a
Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a
trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up because I was a
Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."
-- Martin Niemoeller, Berlin Lutheran pastor arrested by the Gestapo and sent to Dachau
concentration camp in 1938. The Allied forces freed him seven years later.
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| User: "" |
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22 Aug 2007 03:44:59 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:53:09 -0400, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
leroyblue@pillinor.net wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
"Human bomb"? Is that something like spontaneous combustion? Seem to me that they'd
welcome such things. "Behold! Judgment has come! *He* is here with us, and watching out
for us! Won't you please show your support for Divine Justice? <cue collection plate>"
Damn, I wonder if the Iranians or Israelis or Palestinians killed by
Radical Islamic Terrorist wearing explosive "vest" ever thought of it
that way.
Hate to have to tell you this, but homosexuals don't bomb many things. There are a few who
do blast things to make art, but they tend to utilize water heaters, stoves, dishwashers,
and whatnot. Buildings? Nope. That's rarer than abortion clinic bombings.
Since homosexuality is a capital offense in some Muslim countries all
of those "vested" bombers in Iraq, Israel and the Palestinian
territories could be convicted Muslim homosexuals. See how that could
work...
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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22 Aug 2007 07:46:09 AM |
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<leroyblue@pillinor.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:53:09 -0400, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
leroyblue@pillinor.net wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
"Human bomb"? Is that something like spontaneous combustion? Seem to me
that they'd
welcome such things. "Behold! Judgment has come! *He* is here with us,
and watching out
for us! Won't you please show your support for Divine Justice? <cue
collection plate>"
Damn, I wonder if the Iranians or Israelis or Palestinians killed by
Radical Islamic Terrorist wearing explosive "vest" ever thought of it
that way.
Hate to have to tell you this, but homosexuals don't bomb many things.
There are a few who
do blast things to make art, but they tend to utilize water heaters,
stoves, dishwashers,
and whatnot. Buildings? Nope. That's rarer than abortion clinic bombings.
Since homosexuality is a capital offense in some Muslim countries all
of those "vested" bombers in Iraq, Israel and the Palestinian
territories could be convicted Muslim homosexuals. See how that could
work...
If it wasn't such made-up leroy *****.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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22 Aug 2007 06:53:46 AM |
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wrote:
Since homosexuality is a capital offense in some Muslim countries all
of those "vested" bombers in Iraq, Israel and the Palestinian
territories could be convicted Muslim homosexuals. See how that could
work...
Uh, huh. It's just like saying that because the vests were made in China, they must all be
Chinese.
Done being silly?
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
All groups organized by what they are against carry the seeds of their own destruction. If
they run out of enemies, they have to find a new enemy or invent one, because without
something to hate, they will lose their appeal.
-- Kenneth Chafin, Oct 2, 1994 - former pastor of Walnut Street Baptist Church in
Louisville and former professor of evangelism and preaching at Southern Baptist
Theological Seminary.
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| User: "" |
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22 Aug 2007 09:34:14 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:53:46 -0400, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
leroyblue@pillinor.net wrote:
Since homosexuality is a capital offense in some Muslim countries all
of those "vested" bombers in Iraq, Israel and the Palestinian
territories could be convicted Muslim homosexuals. See how that could
work...
Uh, huh. It's just like saying that because the vests were made in China, they must all be
Chinese.
They would be Chinese made.
Done being silly?
Ready to get out of the box?
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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22 Aug 2007 11:47:53 PM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Uh, huh. It's just like saying that because the vests were made in China, they must all be
Chinese.
They would be Chinese made.
Not the vests, silly. The wearers.
(If you get any denser, you'll give neutronium a run for its money.)
Ready to get out of the box?
Dear, I was "out of the box" before you'd even thought of the wrapping paper.
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"I tune in regularly to listen to William F. Buckley, Mona Charen, George Will, Rush
Limbaugh, John Sununu, John McLaughlin, Pat Buchanan, Gordon Liddy, James Kilpatrick,
Robert Novak, Pat Robertson, Paul Harvey, and Phillis Schlafly talk about how more
conservative voices are needed because of the liberal slant of the media."
--Molly Ivins
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23 Aug 2007 08:13:29 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:47:53 -0400, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
leroyblue@pillinor.net wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Uh, huh. It's just like saying that because the vests were made in China, they must all be
Chinese.
They would be Chinese made.
Not the vests, silly. The wearers.
(If you get any denser, you'll give neutronium a run for its money.)
Got yourself caught in a loop, huh? Now you're trying to smart ***** you
way out of it.
Ready to get out of the box?
Dear, I was "out of the box" before you'd even thought of the wrapping paper.
That wasn't a box it was wet paper bag and you're yet to get out,
loop, loop, loop...
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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23 Aug 2007 08:26:26 PM |
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wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
(If you get any denser, you'll give neutronium a run for its money.)
Got yourself caught in a loop, huh? Now you're trying to smart ***** you
way out of it.
Not a bad analogy. My ***** actually *does* have more brain cells in it than are present in
your entire body.
You're most observant, anybody ever tell you that?
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
Bureaucracy is a giant mechanism operated by pygmies.
--Honore de Balzac
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23 Aug 2007 10:59:14 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:26:26 -0400, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
leroyblue@pillinor.net wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
(If you get any denser, you'll give neutronium a run for its money.)
Got yourself caught in a loop, huh? Now you're trying to smart ***** you
way out of it.
Not a bad analogy.
Right, your alligator mouth and your hummingbird *****.
My ***** actually *does* have more brain cells in it than are present in
your entire body.
I thought you were still shoving rodents up your *****. You're into
filching brains now? You know to consume brains of an animal is
dangerous (some Brits contracted Mad Cow Disease after doing so), one
can only imagine the hazards of filching with them - Do be cautious.
that I'm paying (tax dollars) for some of your AIDS meds now I don't
want you freeloading on me for ANOTHER prescription...
You're most observant, anybody ever tell you that?
Yes, in fact I had a number of homosexuals tell me they were so happy
about me seeing and passing on to them a tip from the Fear Factor show
on NBC. I know you' too will be pleased to learn of this little known
fact and you'll be heading for your local butcher shop ASAP;
" We ordered a big box of rectums - known in the butcher
business as "bung" - and they arrived at our office in a frozen block.
Upon thawing, we were pleasantly surprised to discover that these
rectums were bigger than we had ever imagined. Each one was at least a
foot long!'" -NBC Fear Factor http://tiny.pl/54zh
You see with this information you can now enjoy life as a homosexual
in safety (no AIDS in a pig's *****) and as close to the real thing as
you can want.
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21 Aug 2007 05:07:08 PM |
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In article <38dkc35roame6lgchrk3kcndai3dddqo7v@
4ax.com>, said...
Considering the open hatred that homosexuals, atheist and homosexual
atheist have for religion, especially Christianity, it's no wonder
that they have security cameras in their churches. They never know
when some AIDS addled homosexual freak or an atheist is going to
"human bomb" them.
Those cameras are there to keep your fellow
believers in line. The owners of the church
certainly aren't rash enough to rely on Christian
honesty to protect their assets. "Trust in God,
but keep your sword sharp."
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Brian E. Clark
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20 Aug 2007 10:15:45 PM |
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J Young <younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6595094
ARLINGTON, Texas-A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran
24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
WHich just goes to prove that that business about "hate the sin love
the sinner" really means "hate the sinner".
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Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have
appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
Hate the sinner.
"We did decline to host the service-not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
Hate the sinner.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it-yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Yes, that is what it's about.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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20 Aug 2007 11:06:30 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) writes:
J Young <younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6595094
ARLINGTON, Texas-A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran
24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
WHich just goes to prove that that business about "hate the sin love
the sinner" really means "hate the sinner".
[...]
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have
appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
Hate the sinner.
"We did decline to host the service-not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
Hate the sinner.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it-yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Yes, that is what it's about.
You might want to rephrase the last sentence, since it is clearly
not a case that "It's not that we didn't love the family.", although
what you meant is pretty clear.
They viewed the family as mere pawns in their war against a minority.
Otherwise they wouldn't have pulled the rug out from under the family
with only 24 hours notice. That's really inexcusable.
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
20 Aug 2007 12:58:54 AM |
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On 20 ao=FBt, 07:00, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6595094
ARLINGTON, Texas-A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy vete=
ran
24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howa=
rd
Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister,
Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of
his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's g=
ay
so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
What's your opinion on that?
BTW, there already were a couple of threads on that topic last week.
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| User: "No One" |
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20 Aug 2007 01:02:53 AM |
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writes:
On 20 août, 07:00, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6595094
ARLINGTON, Texas-A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran
24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard
Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister,
Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of
his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's gay
so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
What's your opinion on that?
BTW, there already were a couple of threads on that topic last week.
Since all his opinions are complaints, it is obvious that his opinion
is that he could find nothing to complain about. :-)
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| User: "Anlatt the Builder" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
20 Aug 2007 05:25:11 PM |
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On Aug 19, 10:00 pm, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6595094
ARLINGTON, Texas-A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran
24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard
Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister,
Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of
his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's gay
so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because
their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf
War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him
for a heart transplant.
The church's pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who
was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service,
when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men
"engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing."
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have
appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
"We did decline to host the service-not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it-yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
If they had instead "discovered" that the solider had had sex with his
girlfriend before he were married, I wonder if they would have called
a halt to the service.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
20 Aug 2007 01:18:43 AM |
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On Aug 20, 1:00 am, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6595094
ARLINGTON, Texas-A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran
24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
So this Navy veteran who served his country and died, was judged by
this church and disrespected.
This is a big problem I am having with a lot of churches.
They are judging, harshly.
Look, I know what the bible says about homosexuality, and I truly
believe and have faith in God.
But who is going to be making the judgements?
Us?
or
God?
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard
Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister,
Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of
his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's gay
so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because
their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf
War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him
for a heart transplant.
The church's pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who
was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service,
when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men
"engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing."
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have
appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
No, I don't think that the church would have been "endorsing" that
lifestyle.
The church, in my opinion, should have respected this veteran for his
service to his country and not even mentioned his lifestyle and left
the judgement to God.
That's just my opinion.
"We did decline to host the service-not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it-yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Let he who have not sinned, cast the first stone.
--
J Young
younginsig...@aol.com
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
20 Aug 2007 01:27:05 AM |
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osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
So this Navy veteran who served his country and died,
was judged by this church and disrespected.
The lesson: Don't ever bothering to reach out or do your
part unless you're one of them. They'll only spit on you
later.
This is a big problem I am having with a lot of churches.
Points to you!
Look, I know what the bible says about homosexuality,
This I doubt *Very* much...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
20 Aug 2007 05:53:24 PM |
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On Aug 20, 2:27 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
So this Navy veteran who served his country and died,
was judged by this church and disrespected.
The lesson: Don't ever bothering to reach out or do your
part unless you're one of them. They'll only spit on you
later.
Unfortunately, doing good in one area doesn't excuse doing evil in
another area. If you shoot one person and save the life of another
person, you're a hero and a murderer. No matter how devoted this guy
was to his country, he did not live within the rules of the church.
So there's no reason the church should memorialize him. That's not
spitting on him. That's just being true to their beliefs. There was
no indication whatsoever that the church did anything at all against
the man or his memory other than refusing to hold his service on their
grounds.
This is a big problem I am having with a lot of churches.
Points to you!
Look, I know what the bible says about homosexuality,
This I doubt *Very* much...
He can interpret the Bible however he likes. It's called religious
freedom.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet |
20 Aug 2007 10:16:52 PM |
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<patrick.barnes@standardregister.com> wrote:
On Aug 20, 2:27 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
So this Navy veteran who served his country and died,
was judged by this church and disrespected.
The lesson: Don't ever bothering to reach out or do your
part unless you're one of them. They'll only spit on you
later.
Unfortunately, doing good in one area doesn't excuse doing evil in
another area.
Not even for you.
If you shoot one person and save the life of another
person, you're a hero and a murderer. No matter how devoted this guy
was to his country, he did not live within the rules of the church.
Hate the sinner.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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