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20 Mar 2005 05:47:04 PM |
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Church fights Alaska drilling |
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
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20 Mar 2005 06:12:31 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has to
destroy that too in their greed for oil.
You should be ashamed.
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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20 Mar 2005 06:44:02 PM |
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"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:423dbd66@duster.adelaide.on.net:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-
0503180256mar18,1,
4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic
group By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and
the caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has
to destroy that too in their greed for oil.
You should be ashamed.
I am. I am not ashamed of the letters I wrote protesting this infamy;
nor am I ashamed of the people for whome I voted- Charles Schumer,
Hillary Clinton, Jerry Nadler- who voted and spoke out against it.
Chris
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: Church fights Alaska drilling |
21 Mar 2005 12:02:56 AM |
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"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:423dbd66@duster.adelaide.on.net...
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has to
destroy that too in their greed for oil.
You should be ashamed.
And a dribbling little bit of oil at that, I have seen estimates that say
that there is only 6 months to a years worth of oil there at current US
consumption rates.
Later Larry
aa# 2216
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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21 Mar 2005 12:40:18 AM |
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"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has to
destroy that too in their greed for oil.
You should be ashamed.
And a dribbling little bit of oil at that, I have seen estimates that say
that there is only 6 months to a years worth of oil there at current US
consumption rates.
Later Larry
aa# 2216
Here is one cite for the above
The Arctic refuge would provide less than a six-month supply of oil - which
would not be available for ten years. According to the 1998 U.S. Geological
Survey study, the mean estimate of economically recoverable oil from the
Arctic refuge is 3.2 - 5.2 billion barrels. This is equivalent to the amount
of oil the U.S. consumes in about six months. According to the Congressional
Research Service, production from the Arctic refuge would not come on line
for ten years or more (RS21030, October, 1, 2001).
Later Larry
aa# 2216
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Mar 2005 01:00:15 PM |
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In our last episode <c96dnRzzl_1ziqPfRVn-oQ@comcast.com>, Larry Heath
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:tKidnUN8gKuxkqPfRVn-tg@comcast.com...
"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:423dbd66@duster.adelaide.on.net...
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has
to destroy that too in their greed for oil.
You should be ashamed.
And a dribbling little bit of oil at that, I have seen estimates that
say that there is only 6 months to a years worth of oil there at current
US consumption rates.
Later Larry
aa# 2216
Here is one cite for the above
The Arctic refuge would provide less than a six-month supply of oil -
which would not be available for ten years. According to the 1998 U.S.
Geological Survey study, the mean estimate of economically recoverable oil
from the Arctic refuge is 3.2 - 5.2 billion barrels. This is equivalent to
the amount of oil the U.S. consumes in about six months. According to the
Congressional Research Service, production from the Arctic refuge would
not come on line for ten years or more (RS21030, October, 1, 2001).
What's even more interesting is the "six months worth" figure comes from
the total estimate of reserves in ANWR divided by our current consumption.
Obviously, we can't pump all the oil out all at once. Oil fields don't
work that way.
The estimates for the rate the oil can be extracted run from about 600K to
800K barrels per day (some highly optimistic folk go up to 1 million per
day). And that's the *peak rate expected. Oil fields don't *start at their
peak rate. It takes years to reach their peak extraction rate.
So ten years to start pumping is about 2015, five to ten to reach peak
production puts us in 2020-2025.
What's interesting about that is OPEC just recently announced they were
raising their quota by 500K barrels per day. And what happened? Oil prices
went *UP. The market was not impressed. OPEC then said they would
consider boosting the quota by another 500K, coming to a total of 1
million barrels per day. What happened? Oil prices went *UP.
The speed at which world consumption is rising now is causing the futures
market to shrug off increases of half a million to a million per day. For
good reason. World consumption is at about 83 million barrels per day.
It's estimated we have maybe a million to two million per day "extra"
capacity and that's it. But at the present rate of growth in consumption,
by the time ANWR is producing at its peak, the world will "need" upwards
of 120 million barrels per day. Or roughly 35 million barrels per day more
than we can produce at this point. ANWR only adds a half million to (at
best) a million per day more. That leaves us well over 30 million per day
short.
With *that big a short fall, ANWR will be utterly irrelevant...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "desertphile@hot mail. com Desertphile, American Patriot" |
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21 Mar 2005 05:47:13 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:00:15 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <c96dnRzzl_1ziqPfRVn-oQ@comcast.com>, Larry Heath
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Here is one cite for the above
The Arctic refuge would provide less than a six-month supply of oil -
which would not be available for ten years. According to the 1998 U.S.
Geological Survey study, the mean estimate of economically recoverable oil
from the Arctic refuge is 3.2 - 5.2 billion barrels. This is equivalent to
the amount of oil the U.S. consumes in about six months. According to the
Congressional Research Service, production from the Arctic refuge would
not come on line for ten years or more (RS21030, October, 1, 2001).
Bush2 and his ilk firmly believe the god Jesus will be coming to
Earth soon, and therefore the environment need not be protected. I
used to believe Bush2 merely pretended to be a radical
fundamentalist Christians who believed in "end times theology,"
but after looking at his behavior I am convinced it is no pretense
on his part.
What's even more interesting is the "six months worth" figure comes from
the total estimate of reserves in ANWR divided by our current consumption.
Obviously, we can't pump all the oil out all at once. Oil fields don't
work that way.
The estimates for the rate the oil can be extracted run from about 600K to
800K barrels per day (some highly optimistic folk go up to 1 million per
day). And that's the *peak rate expected. Oil fields don't *start at their
peak rate. It takes years to reach their peak extraction rate.
So ten years to start pumping is about 2015, five to ten to reach peak
production puts us in 2020-2025.
The oil isn't the point at all in the issue: the oil doesn't even
signify in Bush2's thinking processes on the issue. The entire
point of drilling in the Alaskan wilderness is for the USA to FUND
THE DRILLING. Bush2 and his ilk don't give a ***** if their oil
wells never strike oil, let alone pump it out.
What's interesting about that is OPEC just recently announced they were
raising their quota by 500K barrels per day. And what happened? Oil prices
went *UP. The market was not impressed. OPEC then said they would
consider boosting the quota by another 500K, coming to a total of 1
million barrels per day. What happened? Oil prices went *UP.
The speed at which world consumption is rising now is causing the futures
market to shrug off increases of half a million to a million per day. For
good reason. World consumption is at about 83 million barrels per day.
It's estimated we have maybe a million to two million per day "extra"
capacity and that's it. But at the present rate of growth in consumption,
by the time ANWR is producing at its peak, the world will "need" upwards
of 120 million barrels per day. Or roughly 35 million barrels per day more
than we can produce at this point. ANWR only adds a half million to (at
best) a million per day more. That leaves us well over 30 million per day
short.
With *that big a short fall, ANWR will be utterly irrelevant...
Indeed: consumption increases will far exceend current and future
supply. The USA ought to allow American companies to produce
alcohol to run automobiles on. The USA government ought to lower
oil demand. But Bush2 and his ilk own the oil companies, and would
never do anything to hurt their record-high profits.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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23 Mar 2005 01:03:28 AM |
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<desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot)> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:00:15 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <c96dnRzzl_1ziqPfRVn-oQ@comcast.com>, Larry Heath
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Here is one cite for the above
The Arctic refuge would provide less than a six-month supply of oil -
which would not be available for ten years. According to the 1998 U.S.
Geological Survey study, the mean estimate of economically recoverable
oil
from the Arctic refuge is 3.2 - 5.2 billion barrels. This is equivalent
to
the amount of oil the U.S. consumes in about six months. According to
the
Congressional Research Service, production from the Arctic refuge would
not come on line for ten years or more (RS21030, October, 1, 2001).
Bush2 and his ilk firmly believe the god Jesus will be coming to
Earth soon, and therefore the environment need not be protected. I
used to believe Bush2 merely pretended to be a radical
fundamentalist Christians who believed in "end times theology,"
but after looking at his behavior I am convinced it is no pretense
on his part.
What's even more interesting is the "six months worth" figure comes from
the total estimate of reserves in ANWR divided by our current
consumption.
Obviously, we can't pump all the oil out all at once. Oil fields don't
work that way.
The estimates for the rate the oil can be extracted run from about 600K
to
800K barrels per day (some highly optimistic folk go up to 1 million per
day). And that's the *peak rate expected. Oil fields don't *start at
their
peak rate. It takes years to reach their peak extraction rate.
So ten years to start pumping is about 2015, five to ten to reach peak
production puts us in 2020-2025.
The oil isn't the point at all in the issue: the oil doesn't even
signify in Bush2's thinking processes on the issue. The entire
point of drilling in the Alaskan wilderness is for the USA to FUND
THE DRILLING. Bush2 and his ilk don't give a ***** if their oil
wells never strike oil, let alone pump it out.
What's interesting about that is OPEC just recently announced they were
raising their quota by 500K barrels per day. And what happened? Oil
prices
went *UP. The market was not impressed. OPEC then said they would
consider boosting the quota by another 500K, coming to a total of 1
million barrels per day. What happened? Oil prices went *UP.
The speed at which world consumption is rising now is causing the futures
market to shrug off increases of half a million to a million per day. For
good reason. World consumption is at about 83 million barrels per day.
It's estimated we have maybe a million to two million per day "extra"
capacity and that's it. But at the present rate of growth in consumption,
by the time ANWR is producing at its peak, the world will "need" upwards
of 120 million barrels per day. Or roughly 35 million barrels per day
more
than we can produce at this point. ANWR only adds a half million to (at
best) a million per day more. That leaves us well over 30 million per day
short.
With *that big a short fall, ANWR will be utterly irrelevant...
Indeed: consumption increases will far exceend current and future
supply. The USA ought to allow American companies to produce
alcohol to run automobiles on. The USA government ought to lower
oil demand. But Bush2 and his ilk own the oil companies, and would
never do anything to hurt their record-high profits.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
---
http://lastliberal.org
Free random & sequential signature changer http://holysmoke.org/sig
"There is a deep, abiding, unshakable satisfaction in a life of
complete failure." -- Edward Abbey
I think that I tend to somewhat agree with what you have said here, having
heard this rational before. But I don't know if he really believes in the
biblical end times, but more likely the end times for the oil driven prime
energy source of the developed world times. I have heard widely desperate
estimates of the world supply of oil in years at current use rates, some as
short as a few decades and some as long as 2 or 3 hundred years. If this is
the case then I could see that these companies are grabbing for as much cash
at anyone's expense as possible, being aided and abetted to the hilt by
shrub. After all I think he still thinks that he is some sort of oil man,
having run one or two oil companies into the ground, grubstaked by the Bin
Ladin's. Could be that he maybe looking at the Artic Reserve as being a
source of supply for the military use in future.
I just don't know if shrub is really religious or what, could be that he
destroyed enough brain cell in his drinking and drugging days to dull down
enough to really start believing in the religious goofiness. He does have
enough puppet masters around to keep him dancing the dance and talking the
talk to get by.
Later Larry
aa# 2216
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:05:08 AM |
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In our last episode <P5idnb48KcT8Xd3fRVn-2Q@comcast.com>, Larry Heath
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
I think that I tend to somewhat agree with what you have said here, having
heard this rational before. But I don't know if he really believes in the
biblical end times, but more likely the end times for the oil driven prime
energy source of the developed world times. I have heard widely desperate
estimates of the world supply of oil in years at current use rates, some
as short as a few decades and some as long as 2 or 3 hundred years.
There are two things about those estimates that are very interesting. One
is that they're based on reserve amounts that curiously almost doubled
when OPEC changed its quota system. They changed quota systems in the late
'80s to one that apportioned quotas based on reserves. Suddenly,
everybody's reserves went up. As if by magic. The new total was 300
billion barrels of oil above the original. Problem is, nobody knows where
this oil actually *is.
The second thing is Hubbert's peak. It's not the "end" of oil that's the
problem. It's the half way mark. Halfway through, the *rate you can
produce oil will begin to decline. That "last drop" may be decades away
but the amount you can produce will be declining all that time. Demand
will still increase but supply will be going down.
Which means oil prices (and hence gas prices) will rise steadily for the
rest of our lives.
If
this is the case then I could see that these companies are grabbing for as
much cash at anyone's expense as possible, being aided and abetted to the
hilt by shrub.
Wouldn't surprise me. Oil will become increasingly valuable over time. And
they know, now, that it's value is *always going to rise. I'm seeing
people talking about twice it's current level by the end of this decade
(which should mean something like $3 or $4 or more at the pump for a
gallon which should be entertaining).
After all I think he still thinks that he is some sort of
oil man, having run one or two oil companies into the ground, grubstaked
by the Bin Ladin's. Could be that he maybe looking at the Artic Reserve as
being a source of supply for the military use in future.
Or just a nice reserve of cash laying around...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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22 Mar 2005 06:15:01 AM |
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"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has to
destroy that too in their greed for oil.
That six months of oil is worth _billions_ to a handfull of Republicans.
You should be ashamed.
Only the people who voted for this fascist regime should be. I voted
for the other guy (which means I voted _for_ America.)
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
Scientology murder: http://PerkinsTragedy.org
Improving the herd: http://www.rightard.org/
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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22 Mar 2005 08:41:25 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113veocbbl09584@corp.supernews.com...
"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032
122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has to
destroy that too in their greed for oil.
That six months of oil is worth _billions_ to a handfull of Republicans.
You should be ashamed.
Only the people who voted for this fascist regime should be. I voted
for the other guy (which means I voted _for_ America.)
Yes, the shame is on those who support the regime.
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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| Title: Re: Church fights Alaska drilling |
22 Mar 2005 06:03:25 PM |
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Clockmeister wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has to
destroy that too in their greed for oil.
So you don't drive a car?
RS
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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| Title: Re: Church fights Alaska drilling |
22 Mar 2005 10:38:19 PM |
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"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
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Clockmeister wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
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From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has to
destroy that too in their greed for oil.
So you don't drive a car?
A small, very economical one. Six months worth of oil is not worth the
devastation of that wilderness. Investing money if electric car technology
or other alternative power systems should be a #1 priority but that doesn't
fit in the US administration oil and money greed for their own interests.
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| User: "desertphile@hot mail. com Desertphile, American Patriot" |
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| Title: Re: Church fights Alaska drilling |
23 Mar 2005 04:29:47 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:38:19 +0800, "Clockmeister"
<no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
news:N5Z%d.116254$o9.58264@amsnews03-serv.chello.com...
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and
the US has to destroy that too in their greed for oil.
So you don't drive a car?
Non sequitur. None of that oil, if any is produced, will be going
into anyone's automobiles. The drilling isn't being done for the
oil: it is being done for the USA government funding.
A small, very economical one. Six months worth of oil is not
worth the devastation of that wilderness. Investing money if
electric car technology or other alternative power systems
should be a #1 priority but that doesn't fit in the US
administration oil and money greed for their own interests.
Exactly so. I use three gallons of gasoline a month, and all of
the electricity I use comes from pnotogalvanic solar panels. If
the USA government would allow me to, I would distill my own
alcohol and run my automobile on that fuel--- the equipment to
make fuel-grade alcohol is simple, and most people have the
necessary tools in their kitchens. The USA government is owned by
and run by the oil companies: they sure as no hell are not going
to surrender their profits just to protect the environment.
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:12:35 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:12:31 +0800, "Clockmeister"
<no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has to
destroy that too in their greed for oil.
You should be ashamed.
Congress has neither shame nor brain.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: Church fights Alaska drilling |
24 Mar 2005 01:53:33 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:12:35 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:12:31 +0800, "Clockmeister"
<no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and the US has to
destroy that too in their greed for oil.
You should be ashamed.
Congress has neither shame nor brain.
I just heard an interesting tidbit of information about drilling in
Alaska.
Chances are, NONE of that oil will ever see American Automobiles! The
oil companies will be selling it to the country where they can make
the most profit, probably Asia.
I wonder what would happen if this Bill had one line added: "All oil
taken, must remain in the USA.
I bet it would NEVER pass since it's not what the oil companies want.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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25 Mar 2005 02:54:31 AM |
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RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:12:35 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Chances are, NONE of that oil will ever see American Automobiles! The
oil companies will be selling it to the country where they can make
the most profit, probably Asia.
That's the way it works. Six months of oil sold to foreigners makes
a hand full of Republianazi baby killing monsters billions of dollars
-- and we lose another hundred plant and animal species.
Republicanism is nothing short of Nazism.
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| User: "desertphile@hot mail. com Desertphile, American Patriot" |
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20 Mar 2005 09:50:35 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:12:31 +0800, "Clockmeister"
<no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
One of the last untouched pieces of natural wilderness and
the US has to destroy that too in their greed for oil.
You should be ashamed.
I am. However, I must point out that the USA government was not
elected, and therefore the majority of voters are not to blame.
Also, I signed petitions against the Alaska exploitation, and
wrote letters to the wealthy corporate-owned senators in question
demanding they cease their treasonous behavior. All for nought.
What the ***** else would you have us do? Armed revolt?
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that preceded and led to it lasted for a thousand years." -- Edward Abbey
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| User: "Rodney Kelp" |
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| Title: Re: Church fights Alaska drilling |
21 Mar 2005 12:56:24 AM |
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Why doesn't the church fight the massive cash flow leak to OPEC!
Our cash reserve is draining like a draining bath tub and when it's empty it
will be fatal to our way of life.
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:113rei3mgmbp930@corp.supernews.com...
From The Chicago Tribune, 3/18/05:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0503180256mar18,1,4032122..story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Church fights Alaska drilling
Episcopal bishop tells of threat to way of life of native ethnic group
By Kevin Eckstrom
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON --
The bishops of the Episcopal Church, concerned about oil drilling in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, dispatched an emissary to the
U.S. Senate with a simple message:
Leave our people--and their caribou--alone.
Bishop Mark McDonald of Alaska said President Bush's plan to allow
drilling--which the Senate supported Wednesday in a 51-49 vote--would
destroy the habitat of the native Gwich'in people, 90 percent of whom
are Episcopalians.
The bishops, meeting in Navasota, Texas, had sent McDonald to
Washington on Tuesday with a stern message that drilling would cause
untold damage to "this unspoiled web of life" for the Gwich'in and the
caribou herds on which they rely.
"To risk the destruction of an untouched wilderness and an ancient
culture violates our theological mandate to be caretakers of
creation," the bishops said in a statement from Texas.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
Scientology murder: http://PerkinsTragedy.org
Improving the herd: http://www.rightard.org/
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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| Title: Re: Church fights Alaska drilling |
22 Mar 2005 04:56:42 AM |
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"Rodney Kelp" <Rodneykelp605@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Why doesn't the church fight the massive cash flow leak to OPEC!
Our cash reserve is draining like a draining bath tub and when it's empty
it
will be fatal to our way of life.
Maybe people should be modifying their way of life somewhat to help reduce
oil demand.
Unfortunately that wouldn't in the interest of the Bush admin since even
human life isn't worth as much as their greed for oil (and consequently
money).
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