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"Bill Baker" |
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06 Apr 2004 09:25:48 AM |
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Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/04/040504massLetter.htm
(Boston, Massachusetts) In an open letter to coincide with the beginning
of Easter Week and Passover 600 church leaders have called on
Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney to distance himself from attacks on
same-sex marriage.
"We reflect the truth that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of
people of faith strongly support the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Courts
Goodridge decision,'' the letter says.
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our civil
law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state begins to
define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
The letter was signed by Rabbi Devon Lerner, Co-chair of the Religious
Coalition for the Freedom to Marry which is comprised of clergy and faith
leaders from 18 different religions including the United Church of Christ,
Episcopal, United Methodist, Baptist, Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism
and the Unitarian Universalist Associations.
"We are deeply disappointed that some prominent clergy have been
attempting to impose their denominations definition of marriage and their
rules for sanctifying marriages on the rest of us. Many of us have been
sanctifying same sex religious marriages for years," the letter says.
"For us, there is no shame or sin in being homosexual. For us, love,
commitment, respect and caring define marriage, not gender. Other churches
have the right to disagree with us and they have the right to promote
their own teachings and regulations within their communities. They do not,
however, have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others."
"Any attempt to prevent the issuance of marriage licenses to same-sex
couples is a violation of the civil rights of gay and lesbian citizens and
an attack on religious liberty," the letter says.
The letter reminds Romney, a Mormon, that during the election campaign he
promised he would not impose his religious on the citizens of
Massachusetts. "We also call on you as a man of faith to help us, not
hinder us, in our mission to care and serve our religious communities
according to our own beliefs and practices."
There has been no reply from the Governor's office.
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09 Apr 2004 07:42:51 AM |
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Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our civil
law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state begins to
define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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09 Apr 2004 04:30:37 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state
begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Why are they puzzling.
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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09 Apr 2004 06:59:02 PM |
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Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state
begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Why are they puzzling.
The first one is puzzling because from what I can tell, it's not
the sectarians/non-religious people that are trying to deny
gay and lesbian marriages.
The second one is puzzling because our laws already contain
all kinds of religious-based restrictions.
Still puzzled by my puzzlement? :)
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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09 Apr 2004 07:07:10 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would
be tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in
our civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the
state begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Why are they puzzling.
The first one is puzzling because from what I can tell, it's not
the sectarians/non-religious people that are trying to deny
gay and lesbian marriages.
The second one is puzzling because our laws already contain
all kinds of religious-based restrictions.
Still puzzled by my puzzlement? :)
Well honestly, I didn't really read the statements you found puzzling
carefully enough, so on a re-read I agree.
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"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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09 Apr 2004 07:08:59 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 23:59:02 +0000, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote
in message news:<2vde709hv2nl001o6ib7oaoep621mi34e0@4ax.com>:
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state
begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Why are they puzzling.
The first one is puzzling because from what I can tell, it's not
the sectarians/non-religious people that are trying to deny
gay and lesbian marriages.
Main Entry: sectarian
Function: noun
1 : an adherent of a sect
2 : a narrow or bigoted person
Does that answer your question?
The second one is puzzling because our laws already contain
all kinds of religious-based restrictions.
Still puzzled by my puzzlement? :)
--
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"Ain't you never BLED out the butt hole"
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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09 Apr 2004 09:11:07 PM |
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Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state
begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Why are they puzzling.
The first one is puzzling because from what I can tell, it's not
the sectarians/non-religious people that are trying to deny
gay and lesbian marriages.
Main Entry: sectarian
Function: noun
1 : an adherent of a sect
2 : a narrow or bigoted person
Does that answer your question?
I'm not sure... Do you see "sectarian" as meaning non-religious?
Religious people can be members of religious sects, as well as
being narrow and bigoted.
To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law.
How do you interpret "sectarian" in the above, exactly?
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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10 Apr 2004 01:07:03 AM |
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Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message news:<qhle70h7rmcs3nge5us03ktieai19ca8hr@4ax.com>...
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state
begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Why are they puzzling.
The first one is puzzling because from what I can tell, it's not
the sectarians/non-religious people that are trying to deny
gay and lesbian marriages.
Main Entry: sectarian
Function: noun
1 : an adherent of a sect
2 : a narrow or bigoted person
Does that answer your question?
I'm not sure... Do you see "sectarian" as meaning non-religious?
I see "sectarian" as meaning the opposite of non-religious.
Religious people can be members of religious sects, as well as
being narrow and bigoted.
To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law.
How do you interpret "sectarian" in the above, exactly?
Main Entry: sec·tar·i·an
Pronunciation: sek-'ter-E-&n
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of a sect or sectarian
2 : limited in character or scope : PAROCHIAL
Sounds like they mean a religious viewpoint, or one that relates to the church.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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09 Apr 2004 08:05:37 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:42:51 +0000, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote
in message news:<2e6d70tkoqb5aa4fd2a9bk137e4jovo2pb@4ax.com>:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state
begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Not at all. In other words, he is saying that religion must not be
enshrined into law, otherwise we may find that the laws will be dictating
religion, rather than protecting rights.
--
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support from other deviants such as your whores and dope addicts.
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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09 Apr 2004 08:41:40 AM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.04.09.13.05.33.620846@postini.spamcon.org...
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:42:51 +0000, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote
in message news:<2e6d70tkoqb5aa4fd2a9bk137e4jovo2pb@4ax.com>:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state
begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Not at all. In other words, he is saying that religion must not be
enshrined into law, otherwise we may find that the laws will be dictating
religion, rather than protecting rights.
Just because you think a law is religious in nature doesn't make it so.
Lots of laws are non-religious but have been passed by the lawmakers because
they felt it was for the good of the people. Speed limits for
example.....
WE LIVE IN A =REPRESENTATIVE= DEMOCRACY.
If you don't like what your reps are doing, vote them out.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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09 Apr 2004 09:44:46 AM |
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Gomez Addams <GomezzAddams@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state
begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Not at all. In other words, he is saying that religion must not be
enshrined into law, otherwise we may find that the laws will be dictating
religion, rather than protecting rights.
Just because you think a law is religious in nature doesn't make it so.
It already seems to be in the nature of our government from what I
can tell. "Under God" in the pledge of allegiance. "In God We Trust"
on our money. When it was suggested that those things be taken
out, the politicians on capital hill all went out onto the steps and
professed their faith in God.
Lots of laws are non-religious but have been passed by the lawmakers
because they felt it was for the good of the people. Speed limits for
example.....
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in Texas
which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a thing
of the past... "People should be in church praying on Sunday morning,
not drinking beer..."
WE LIVE IN A =REPRESENTATIVE= DEMOCRACY.
If you don't like what your reps are doing, vote them out.
I think I might just give up voting once and for all, since I realized
it was a lost cause in ever getting an atheist president, or even
an outspoken atheist politician of any kind here in the USA.
What's the point? Voting for the lesser of two evils?
Hmm... Then again, I might just decide to vote for Catholic boy,
just to see what might happen... But then I might feel guilty if he
ended up like JFK, who happens to have the same initials and was
also the only Catholic president so far...
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Matt" |
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09 Apr 2004 10:53:05 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Gomez Addams <GomezzAddams@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in alt.atheism
"To deny gays and lesbians the right to marry in the future would be
tantamount to establishing a particular sectarian viewpoint in our
civil law. All of our religions will be in great danger if the state
begins to define religious sanctity rather than civil law."
Those are some puzzling statements.
Not at all. In other words, he is saying that religion must not be
enshrined into law, otherwise we may find that the laws will be dictating
religion, rather than protecting rights.
Just because you think a law is religious in nature doesn't make it so.
It already seems to be in the nature of our government from what I
can tell. "Under God" in the pledge of allegiance. "In God We Trust"
on our money. When it was suggested that those things be taken
out, the politicians on capital hill all went out onto the steps and
professed their faith in God.
Lots of laws are non-religious but have been passed by the lawmakers
because they felt it was for the good of the people. Speed limits for
example.....
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in Texas
which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a thing
of the past... "People should be in church praying on Sunday morning,
not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
WE LIVE IN A =REPRESENTATIVE= DEMOCRACY.
If you don't like what your reps are doing, vote them out.
I think I might just give up voting once and for all, since I realized
it was a lost cause in ever getting an atheist president, or even
an outspoken atheist politician of any kind here in the USA.
What's the point? Voting for the lesser of two evils?
Hmm... Then again, I might just decide to vote for Catholic boy,
just to see what might happen... But then I might feel guilty if he
ended up like JFK, who happens to have the same initials and was
also the only Catholic president so far...
Well, if worse comes to worse, move overseas and laugh at the US from
overseas; its been a free spectical of witch burning, bible thumping and
and "little flag" waving for over 200 years.
Matt
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"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
""Only the good die young", does that mean we'll have to put
up with George W Bush living to a ripe old age?"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
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cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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09 Apr 2004 06:47:22 PM |
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Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
<snip>
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in Texas
which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a thing
of the past... "People should be in church praying on Sunday morning,
not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm in Texas, where it's legal to stone or drown your kids to death
as long as God told you to do it and you cop an insanity plea.
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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09 Apr 2004 11:09:37 AM |
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Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in Texas
which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a thing
of the past... "People should be in church praying on Sunday morning,
not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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09 Apr 2004 04:39:15 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in
Texas which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a thing
of the past... "People should be in church praying on Sunday
morning, not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
That's pretty much what happens. I once lived in a county of Arkansas that
did not allow alchohol sales on Sunday for purely religious reasons. So,
we would simply cross over into Springdale and buy what we needed. Net
result: More drunk driving accidents because people would now be driving
home farther after partying.
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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09 Apr 2004 08:21:07 PM |
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Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in
Texas which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a thing
of the past... "People should be in church praying on Sunday
morning, not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
That's pretty much what happens.
Yep. The law is completely based on religion, and anyone,
religious or not, can buy all the beer they want on Saturday,
which was the original Sabbath day. I haven't seen any Jews
trying to get beer sales outlawed on Saturnday morning, have
you?
I once lived in a county of Arkansas that did not allow alchohol sales
on Sunday for purely religious reasons.
That's still the way it is here in Texas, at least in the Fort Worth
area. Only beer and wine can be sold on Sunday. No hard liquor.
And beer and wine can only be sold after 12:00 noon on Sunday.
Liquor stores are also forbidden to be open on Sunday.
I watched an interesting show the other night about such
prohibitions by the religious kooks out there. It seems that
the ice-cream sundae evolved from a prohibition against seltzer
water being sold on Sunday. The fizzy seltzer was considered "evil"
by the religious people, and it was forbidden to be sold on Sunday,
and so voila, the ice-cream Sundae was born, which doesn't have
any fizzy water in it like ice-cream sodas which were popular back
in the time the prohibition was enacted. Funny, huh?
So, we would simply cross over into Springdale and buy what we needed.
Net result: More drunk driving accidents because people would now be
driving home farther after partying.
Yep. The religious lawmakers don't seem to be very good at looking
ahead to foresee the consequences of their idiotic religious-based
laws...
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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09 Apr 2004 08:24:56 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in
Texas which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a
thing of the past... "People should be in church praying on
Sunday morning, not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
That's pretty much what happens.
Yep. The law is completely based on religion, and anyone,
religious or not, can buy all the beer they want on Saturday,
which was the original Sabbath day. I haven't seen any Jews
trying to get beer sales outlawed on Saturnday morning, have
you?
How would I identify them? Are they the circumsized lawmakers?
I once lived in a county of Arkansas that did not allow alchohol
sales on Sunday for purely religious reasons.
That's still the way it is here in Texas, at least in the Fort Worth
area. Only beer and wine can be sold on Sunday. No hard liquor.
And beer and wine can only be sold after 12:00 noon on Sunday.
Liquor stores are also forbidden to be open on Sunday.
I watched an interesting show the other night about such
prohibitions by the religious kooks out there. It seems that
the ice-cream sundae evolved from a prohibition against seltzer
water being sold on Sunday. The fizzy seltzer was considered "evil"
by the religious people, and it was forbidden to be sold on Sunday,
and so voila, the ice-cream Sundae was born, which doesn't have
any fizzy water in it like ice-cream sodas which were popular back
in the time the prohibition was enacted. Funny, huh?
So, we would simply cross over into Springdale and buy what we
needed. Net result: More drunk driving accidents because people
would now be driving home farther after partying.
Yep. The religious lawmakers don't seem to be very good at looking
ahead to foresee the consequences of their idiotic religious-based
laws...
That I agree with.
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
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11 Apr 2004 05:40:44 AM |
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Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in
Texas which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a
thing of the past... "People should be in church praying on
Sunday morning, not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
That's pretty much what happens.
Yep. The law is completely based on religion, and anyone,
religious or not, can buy all the beer they want on Saturday,
which was the original Sabbath day. I haven't seen any Jews
trying to get beer sales outlawed on Saturnday morning, have
you?
How would I identify them? Are they the circumsized lawmakers?
Wouldn't that be a kicker? If you want to buy beer on Saturnday
or Sunday morning, you have to drop your pants at the checkout
counter to prove that you're old enough to buy beer in the first
place, and also to show what religion you are!
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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11 Apr 2004 06:49:38 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in
Texas which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a
thing of the past... "People should be in church praying on
Sunday morning, not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
That's pretty much what happens.
Yep. The law is completely based on religion, and anyone,
religious or not, can buy all the beer they want on Saturday,
which was the original Sabbath day. I haven't seen any Jews
trying to get beer sales outlawed on Saturnday morning, have
you?
How would I identify them? Are they the circumsized lawmakers?
Wouldn't that be a kicker? If you want to buy beer on Saturnday
or Sunday morning, you have to drop your pants at the checkout
counter to prove that you're old enough to buy beer in the first
place, and also to show what religion you are!
Sadly, that was one method of identification the Nazi's used.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
11 Apr 2004 12:32:30 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:49:38 GMT, "Light Templar"
<I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM>, Message ID:
<mhaec.3728$zj3.3416@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:in7i709vhum47556lubmgjbinq9hirj7fp@4ax.com...
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in
Texas which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a
thing of the past... "People should be in church praying on
Sunday morning, not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
That's pretty much what happens.
Yep. The law is completely based on religion, and anyone,
religious or not, can buy all the beer they want on Saturday,
which was the original Sabbath day. I haven't seen any Jews
trying to get beer sales outlawed on Saturnday morning, have
you?
How would I identify them? Are they the circumsized lawmakers?
Wouldn't that be a kicker? If you want to buy beer on Saturnday
or Sunday morning, you have to drop your pants at the checkout
counter to prove that you're old enough to buy beer in the first
place, and also to show what religion you are!
Sadly, that was one method of identification the Nazi's used.
Then Shrubco will implement it soon.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
11 Apr 2004 04:38:18 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism;
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
How would I identify them? Are they the circumsized lawmakers?
Wouldn't that be a kicker? If you want to buy beer on Saturnday
or Sunday morning, you have to drop your pants at the checkout
counter to prove that you're old enough to buy beer in the first
place, and also to show what religion you are!
Sadly, that was one method of identification the Nazi's used.
Then Shrubco will implement it soon.
What would be used for testing women on Sunday morning?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "stoney" |
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12 Apr 2004 10:14:46 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:38:18 GMT, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>,
Message ID: <diej70ta9kd0cneko2pj27l5mpo1npmvk1@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism;
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
How would I identify them? Are they the circumsized lawmakers?
Wouldn't that be a kicker? If you want to buy beer on Saturnday
or Sunday morning, you have to drop your pants at the checkout
counter to prove that you're old enough to buy beer in the first
place, and also to show what religion you are!
Sadly, that was one method of identification the Nazi's used.
Then Shrubco will implement it soon.
What would be used for testing women on Sunday morning?
I have no idea how the Nazi's did that testing.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
10 Apr 2004 04:13:19 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 01:21:07 GMT, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>,
Message ID: <qrbe709d6gd89r9qth9lsv34bmo9mknvpn@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Light Templar wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in
Texas which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a thing
of the past... "People should be in church praying on Sunday
morning, not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
That's pretty much what happens.
Yep. The law is completely based on religion, and anyone,
religious or not, can buy all the beer they want on Saturday,
which was the original Sabbath day. I haven't seen any Jews
trying to get beer sales outlawed on Saturnday morning, have
you?
I once lived in a county of Arkansas that did not allow alchohol sales
on Sunday for purely religious reasons.
That's still the way it is here in Texas, at least in the Fort Worth
area. Only beer and wine can be sold on Sunday. No hard liquor.
And beer and wine can only be sold after 12:00 noon on Sunday.
Liquor stores are also forbidden to be open on Sunday.
I watched an interesting show the other night about such
prohibitions by the religious kooks out there. It seems that
the ice-cream sundae evolved from a prohibition against seltzer
water being sold on Sunday. The fizzy seltzer was considered "evil"
by the religious people, and it was forbidden to be sold on Sunday,
and so voila, the ice-cream Sundae was born, which doesn't have
any fizzy water in it like ice-cream sodas which were popular back
in the time the prohibition was enacted. Funny, huh?
So, we would simply cross over into Springdale and buy what we needed.
Net result: More drunk driving accidents because people would now be
driving home farther after partying.
Yep. The religious lawmakers don't seem to be very good at looking
ahead to foresee the consequences of their idiotic religious-based
laws...
That requires the non-existant ability to *think.* It also requires an
education.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
09 Apr 2004 07:37:55 PM |
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Light Templar wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in
Texas which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a thing
of the past... "People should be in church praying on Sunday
morning, not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
That's pretty much what happens. I once lived in a county of Arkansas that
did not allow alchohol sales on Sunday for purely religious reasons. So,
we would simply cross over into Springdale and buy what we needed. Net
result: More drunk driving accidents because people would now be driving
home farther after partying.
We used to have a similar law where pubs had to close at 6:00. Back then
people used to finish work at around 5:00. You would see this mass
exodus to the pub where there would be quick gulp of beer before it
closed, that this ended up doing is resulting is a bindge drinking culture.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
""Only the good die young", does that mean we'll have to put
up with George W Bush living to a ripe old age?"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Citizen" |
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19 Apr 2004 02:51:42 AM |
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In florida we still have laws that disallow the sale of alcohol after 2
am or 4 am depending on the area. This in big cities.
Forces one to stock up.. also forces alot of driving around late at
night to find an unincorporated area to purchase beer later.
Matt wrote:
Light Templar wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
I'll take a more optimistic view of things when the law here in
Texas which prohibits buying beer on Sunday morning becomes a thing
of the past... "People should be in church praying on Sunday
morning, not drinking beer..."
Still have that law? geeze, thats pretty shocking.
I'm surprised the local fishermen haven't revolted against it.
I guess they just stock up on Saturday night...
That's pretty much what happens. I once lived in a county of
Arkansas that
did not allow alchohol sales on Sunday for purely religious
reasons. So,
we would simply cross over into Springdale and buy what we needed. Net
result: More drunk driving accidents because people would now be driving
home farther after partying.
We used to have a similar law where pubs had to close at 6:00. Back
then people used to finish work at around 5:00. You would see this
mass exodus to the pub where there would be quick gulp of beer before
it closed, that this ended up doing is resulting is a bindge drinking
culture.
Matt
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| User: "Jim Ledford" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
19 Apr 2004 05:10:27 AM |
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Citizen wrote:
In florida we still have laws that disallow the sale of alcohol after 2
am or 4 am depending on the area. This in big cities.
Forces one to stock up.. also forces alot of driving around late at
night to find an unincorporated area to purchase beer later.
why do you need alcohol?
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
19 Apr 2004 07:58:34 AM |
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"Jim Ledford" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4083A593.CE54FD44@bellsouth.net...
Citizen wrote:
In florida we still have laws that disallow the sale of alcohol after 2
am or 4 am depending on the area. This in big cities.
Forces one to stock up.. also forces alot of driving around late at
night to find an unincorporated area to purchase beer later.
why do you need alcohol?
It's not a need, it is a want. Perhaps he needs/wants it for one of the
Biblical purposes of alcohol. Did you know that the Bible commands us to
give booze to some people? God created alcohol to be enjoyed with thanks
giving and praise!
--
Gomez Addams, CEO, Addams Industries Unltd.
Man-eating Tigers Exterminated, Wine Tasted,
Looney Detection, Bridges Burned, Money Buried.
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| User: "Jim Ledford" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
19 Apr 2004 09:32:57 AM |
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Gomez Addams wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Citizen wrote:
In florida we still have laws that disallow the sale of alcohol after 2
am or 4 am depending on the area. This in big cities.
Forces one to stock up.. also forces alot of driving around late at
night to find an unincorporated area to purchase beer later.
why do you need alcohol?
It's not a need, it is a want. Perhaps he needs/wants it for one of the
Biblical purposes of alcohol. Did you know that the Bible commands us to
give booze to some people?
tell me the book and chapter and I'll go and read about it.
God created alcohol to be enjoyed with thanks
giving and praise!
it is my belief that God created all things. those of which
we enjoy are best enjoyed while giving thanks to God for their
creation.
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
19 Apr 2004 10:09:37 AM |
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"Jim Ledford" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4083E319.97D4AEC9@bellsouth.net...
Gomez Addams wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Citizen wrote:
In florida we still have laws that disallow the sale of alcohol
after 2
am or 4 am depending on the area. This in big cities.
Forces one to stock up.. also forces alot of driving around late at
night to find an unincorporated area to purchase beer later.
why do you need alcohol?
It's not a need, it is a want. Perhaps he needs/wants it for one of
the
Biblical purposes of alcohol. Did you know that the Bible commands us to
give booze to some people?
tell me the book and chapter and I'll go and read about it.
Certainly brother, here it is:
Prov 31:6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose
life is bitter.
Prov 31:7 Let him drink and forget his poverty And remember his trouble no
more.
I've been through a tough spot lately; a couple of beers or a glass of
blackberry wine works wonders when you're having a pity party.
I also get tummy aches like Timothy did:
1 Tim 5:23 ¶ No longer drink water {exclusively,} but use a little wine for
the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.
I find that Cabernet Sauvignon works wonders on an upset stomach, helps
digestion, cuts down on flatulence and diarrhea too.
God created alcohol to be enjoyed with thanks
giving and praise!
it is my belief that God created all things. those of which
we enjoy are best enjoyed while giving thanks to God for their
creation.
Yes! Thanks be to God for all He has created for our enjoyment. Some
things are prohibited (like getting stoned) but having a few drinks is not
one of them. Bless God!
--
Gomez Addams, CEO, Addams Industries Unltd.
Man-eating Tigers Exterminated, Wine Tasted,
Looney Detection, Bridges Burned, Money Buried.
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| User: "Jim Ledford" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
19 Apr 2004 07:50:57 PM |
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Gomez Addams wrote:
[....]
thanks for the info. worked out well indeed. Funny how
I ask a question and then received something else of value.
God can be like that. while we are seeking one thing we find
another thing we were seeking at a time before.
thanks again, have a great day.
Jim
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: Church Leaders Denounce Mass Gay Marriage Amendment |
19 Apr 2004 08:18:34 PM |
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"Jim Ledford" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:408473F1.5999A9B4@bellsouth.net...
Gomez Addams wrote:
[....]
thanks for the info. worked out well indeed. Funny how
I ask a question and then received something else of value.
God can be like that. while we are seeking one thing we find
another thing we were seeking at a time before.
thanks again, have a great day.
Jim
Are you surprised that you got a blessing? He is a rewarder of them that
diligently seek Him!
Best regards,
Gomez
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