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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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13 Aug 2004 01:00:36 AM |
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Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/apbiz_story.asp?category=1310&slug=Citigroup%20Jobs
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -934 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Shiney .." |
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
13 Aug 2004 02:37:34 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:j4moh01h7nf3oej1be0efjg1rkeai9r094@4ax.com...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/apbiz_story.asp?category=1310&slug=Citigroup%20Jobs
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
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Yang
a.a. #28
You didn't mention this part:
Laid-off workers will be offered severance packages based on their length of
service, the company said. Tarter said the announcement was made far in
advance to allow workers to find other employment.
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
13 Aug 2004 05:59:30 AM |
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"Shiney" <(.)(.)> wrote in message
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:j4moh01h7nf3oej1be0efjg1rkeai9r094@4ax.com...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/apbiz_story.asp?category=1310&slug=Citigroup%20Jobs
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
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Yang
a.a. #28
You didn't mention this part:
Laid-off workers will be offered severance packages based on their length
of
service, the company said. Tarter said the announcement was made far in
advance to allow workers to find other employment.
However, if the workers take other employment prior to the actual date of
the layoff, they generally do NOT get their severance. Take it from one
that just got laid off.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
13 Aug 2004 03:55:32 AM |
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On 13 Aug 2004 07:37:34 GMT, "Shiney" <(.)(.)> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:j4moh01h7nf3oej1be0efjg1rkeai9r094@4ax.com...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/apbiz_story.asp?category=1310&slug=Citigroup%20Jobs
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
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Yang
a.a. #28
You didn't mention this part:
Laid-off workers will be offered severance packages based on their length of
service, the company said. Tarter said the announcement was made far in
advance to allow workers to find other employment.
And that might have work if it weren't for the fact that the nationa
added only 32K jobs last months. Oh, remember how Bush's "Stimulus"
package was supposed to lead to massive job growth right about now?
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -934 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Shiney .." |
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
13 Aug 2004 04:18:29 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ce0ph0p5kdmffpq7rnnb57pj10l8qfmndk@4ax.com...
On 13 Aug 2004 07:37:34 GMT, "Shiney" <(.)(.)> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:j4moh01h7nf3oej1be0efjg1rkeai9r094@4ax.com...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/apbiz_story.asp?category=1310&slug=C
itigroup%20Jobs
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
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Yang
a.a. #28
You didn't mention this part:
Laid-off workers will be offered severance packages based on their length
of
service, the company said. Tarter said the announcement was made far in
advance to allow workers to find other employment.
And that might have work if it weren't for the fact that the nationa
added only 32K jobs last months. Oh, remember how Bush's "Stimulus"
package was supposed to lead to massive job growth right about now?
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Yang
Added is added. A positive movement. How many jobs do you think will be
lost due to the Kerry protectionist policies?
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
13 Aug 2004 03:23:58 PM |
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On 13 Aug 2004 09:18:29 GMT, "Shiney" <(.)(.)> wrote:
Added is added. A positive movement. How many jobs do you think will be
lost due to the Kerry protectionist policies?
Far less than the 180K jobs lost due to AWOL's steel tariffs.
Next.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -934 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| Title: Ted Kennedy, America's Pregnant Mistress Killer! |
13 Aug 2004 07:12:14 PM |
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Ted Kennedy, America's Pregnant Mistress Killer!
Remember:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=4569&pt=Mary%20Jo%20Kopechne
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Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being. They
are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
Liberals HATE America!
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
13 Aug 2004 09:10:15 AM |
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On 13 Aug 2004 09:18:29 GMT, "Shiney" <(.)(.)> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ce0ph0p5kdmffpq7rnnb57pj10l8qfmndk@4ax.com...
On 13 Aug 2004 07:37:34 GMT, "Shiney" <(.)(.)> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:j4moh01h7nf3oej1be0efjg1rkeai9r094@4ax.com...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/apbiz_story.asp?category=1310&slug=C
itigroup%20Jobs
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
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Yang
a.a. #28
You didn't mention this part:
Laid-off workers will be offered severance packages based on their length
of
service, the company said. Tarter said the announcement was made far in
advance to allow workers to find other employment.
And that might have work if it weren't for the fact that the nationa
added only 32K jobs last months. Oh, remember how Bush's "Stimulus"
package was supposed to lead to massive job growth right about now?
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Yang
Added is added. A positive movement. How many jobs do you think will be
lost due to the Kerry protectionist policies?
No - you have to add 130 thousand jobs each month to keep up with the
birth rate. The lying republicans never tell you that. Plus 32 thou
is actually minus 98 thousand.
All democratic presidents have kicked major ***** over any republicans
for job growth. Bush has been the worst president in history for
negative job growth.
If democrats are protectionist, then apparently protectionist works
extremely well.
Do yourself and you country a big favor. Vote for Kerry.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
14 Aug 2004 10:47:30 AM |
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On 13 Aug 2004 09:10:15 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
No - you have to add 130 thousand jobs each month to keep up with the
birth rate.
The number is actually between 175,000 and 200,000 (the number rises
as population does).
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Vote Bush/Voldemort 2004!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
14 Aug 2004 10:46:30 AM |
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On 13 Aug 2004 09:18:29 GMT, "Shiney" <(.)(.)> wrote:
Added is added. A positive movement.
Not really. While those 32,000 jobs were added about 190,000 people
joined the workforce to look for work.
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Vote Bush/Voldemort 2004!
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| User: "georgann" |
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13 Aug 2004 08:01:33 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" wrote:
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Did you think massive job growth meant only in massive companies?
Well, in the "land of opportunity" we need the trend of growing small
businesses, not ever larger, progressively wasteful and inefficient
monolithic companies like Citigroup.
Hate to burst your little hate-fest-bubble, but at present its going in the
right direction. Small businesses are growing and being created. That's
cause there is more capital NOT going to uncle sugar for bust ideas on
social programs, dollars with which entrepreneurs can work to start or grow
their small companies, and hire, dud, more people. Small companies are the
larger employers overall, not the mega-companies. Have been for some time.
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All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "Eric da Red" |
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13 Aug 2004 09:15:36 AM |
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In article <BD4233EC.18818%chenault@mindspring.com>,
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" wrote:
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Did you think massive job growth meant only in massive companies?
Did not notice that "job growth" is a measure independent of the
size of the companies doing the hiring?
Well, in the "land of opportunity" we need the trend of growing small
businesses, not ever larger, progressively wasteful and inefficient
monolithic companies like Citigroup.
Job growth tends to come from different sectors of the economy at
different times. Generally, much job growth comes from "small
business" (though some of them aren't all that small). So does much
job loss.
Hate to burst your little hate-fest-bubble, but at present its going in the
right direction.
Right. We've turned the corner.
Small businesses are growing and being created.
How do you know?
That's
cause there is more capital NOT going to uncle sugar for bust ideas on
social programs, dollars with which entrepreneurs can work to start or grow
their small companies, and hire, dud, more people.
As usual, you're completely backwards. The US Federal government is
borrowing more in recent years, not less. A lot of this borrowing
comes from foreign sources, but there's still much coming from pools
of domestic capital.
In any case, we're talking about job growth, which has been
pathetic, and has been negative for the full duration of the Shrub's
administration.
Small companies are the
larger employers overall, not the mega-companies. Have been for some time.
You could have your own fish market with all the red herrings you
produce.
--
Quote Of The Week: "We are here to affirm that when Americans stand up
and speak their minds and say America can do better, that is not a
challenge to patriotism; it is the heart and soul of patriotism."
-- John Kerry
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| User: "georgann" |
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14 Aug 2004 05:31:05 AM |
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"Eric da Red" wrote:
In any case, we're talking about job growth, which has been
pathetic, and has been negative for the full duration of the Shrub's
administration.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Liar.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "Eric da Red" |
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16 Aug 2004 02:07:52 PM |
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In article <BD436228.18C8B%chenault@mindspring.com>,
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Eric da Red" wrote:
In any case, we're talking about job growth, which has been
pathetic, and has been negative for the full duration of the Shrub's
administration.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Liar.
There has been a net loss of jobs during the Shrub administration.
You must have forgotten to remove your special Bible reading glasses
when reviewing economic data.
--
Quote Of The Week: "We are here to affirm that when Americans stand up
and speak their minds and say America can do better, that is not a
challenge to patriotism; it is the heart and soul of patriotism."
-- John Kerry
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
16 Aug 2004 07:15:03 PM |
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"Eric da Red" <bergamot@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:cfr0m8$ua$1@drizzle.com...
In article <BD436228.18C8B%chenault@mindspring.com>,
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Eric da Red" wrote:
In any case, we're talking about job growth, which has been
pathetic, and has been negative for the full duration of the Shrub's
administration.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Liar.
There has been a net loss of jobs during the Shrub administration.
And, since the Bushies don't count the people who no longer
receive Unemployment Compensation (They no longer exist
for them?), they are vastly undercounting the real number of
unemployed people. They are sneaky, unethical, sleazes, those
Bushie politicians. I can't wait to see them all tossed out on
their skanky posteriors. And, I hope that they stay unemployed
for a good long time - after they serve their well-deserved
prison terms, if they ever get out.
You must have forgotten to remove your special Bible reading glasses
when reviewing economic data.
--
Quote Of The Week: "We are here to affirm that when Americans stand up
and speak their minds and say America can do better, that is not a
challenge to patriotism; it is the heart and soul of patriotism."
-- John Kerry
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| User: "Eric da Red" |
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17 Aug 2004 12:42:59 PM |
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In article <3radnSniaJxh0LzcRVn-sw@comcast.com>,
Michelle Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Eric da Red" <bergamot@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:cfr0m8$ua$1@drizzle.com...
In article <BD436228.18C8B%chenault@mindspring.com>,
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Eric da Red" wrote:
In any case, we're talking about job growth, which has been
pathetic, and has been negative for the full duration of the Shrub's
administration.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Liar.
There has been a net loss of jobs during the Shrub administration.
And, since the Bushies don't count the people who no longer
receive Unemployment Compensation (They no longer exist
for them?), they are vastly undercounting the real number of
unemployed people.
To be fair to the Shrubbites, shifting the definition of "employed"
has been a popular sport in DC for decades.
They are sneaky, unethical, sleazes, those
Bushie politicians. I can't wait to see them all tossed out on
their skanky posteriors. And, I hope that they stay unemployed
for a good long time - after they serve their well-deserved
prison terms, if they ever get out.
If the Shrub manages to lose Election 2004, expect Pardon Fest 2004
in December.
--
Quote Of The Week: "We are here to affirm that when Americans stand up
and speak their minds and say America can do better, that is not a
challenge to patriotism; it is the heart and soul of patriotism."
-- John Kerry
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| User: "vinpo" |
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| Title: Re: Citigroup To Lay Off 450. Thank You Bush! |
16 Aug 2004 08:49:03 PM |
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Eric da Red <bergamot@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:cfr0m8$ua$1@drizzle.com...
In article <BD436228.18C8B%chenault@mindspring.com>,
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Eric da Red" wrote:
In any case, we're talking about job growth, which has been
pathetic, and has been negative for the full duration of the Shrub's
administration.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Liar.
There has been a net loss of jobs during the Shrub administration.
You must have forgotten to remove your special Bible reading glasses
when reviewing economic data.
it depends what you mean by 'for the full duration"
OVER the full duration, it has been negative.
for the full duration implies various subsets of time, which is NOT the same
thing
example:
widget production year
50 1
40 2
30 3
25 4
28 5
30 6
25 7
28 8
30 9
32 10
Widget production growth has been negative OVER the 10 year period
it has NOT been negative for the FULL DURATION, since it was positive for
several time frames.
see the distinction?
iow, there have been period of time within the bushco presidency wherein
there WAS + job growth.
so, your statement at best is misleading. it should read. OVER THE COURSE
OF THE FULL DURATION, there has been negative job growth.
the way you stated it sets you up arguably as incorrect.
whit
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Quote Of The Week: "We are here to affirm that when Americans stand up
and speak their minds and say America can do better, that is not a
challenge to patriotism; it is the heart and soul of patriotism."
-- John Kerry
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13 Aug 2004 08:39:21 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" wrote:
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Did you think massive job growth meant only in massive companies?
Well, in the "land of opportunity" we need the trend of growing small
businesses, not ever larger, progressively wasteful and inefficient
monolithic companies like Citigroup.
Hate to burst your little hate-fest-bubble, but at present its going in the
right direction. Small businesses are growing and being created. That's
cause there is more capital NOT going to uncle sugar for bust ideas on
social programs, dollars with which entrepreneurs can work to start or grow
their small companies, and hire, dud, more people. Small companies are the
larger employers overall, not the mega-companies. Have been for some time.
This is liberal left-wing talk, isn't it?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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13 Aug 2004 07:22:07 AM |
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ABB
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Now watch this Drive!
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:j4moh01h7nf3oej1be0efjg1rkeai9r094@4ax.com...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/apbiz_story.asp?category=1310&slug=Citigroup%20Jobs
Remember how Bush's "Stimulus" package was supposed to lead to massive
job growth right about now?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -934 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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13 Aug 2004 02:37:15 AM |
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Bush Kicks Kerry’s *****!
06/24/04: Bush Kicks Kerry’s *****!
Friday, June 25, 2004
Even as insurgents increase their attacks in the days leading up to
the June 30 handover, the public’s belief that going to war with Iraq
was the right thing to do is holding steady. Majorities believe there
was a partnership between Saddam and Al Qaeda, and that military
action abroad is necessary to protect from having to fight terrorists
on U.S. soil. In addition, brightening impressions on the condition of
the economy helped President Bush improve his standing against
Democrat John Kerry this week, according to a Fox News poll released
Thursday.
President Bush currently has an advantage over Democratic candidate
John Kerry in both the two-way matchup and three-way matchups. If the
election were held today, the poll finds Bush at 48 percent and Kerry
at 42 percent. When independent candidate Ralph Nader is included he
receives three percent, Bush 47 percent and Kerry 40 percent.
Opinion Dynamics Corporation conducted the national poll of 900
registered voters for Fox News on June 22-23.
As has been the case since the end of the primary season, Bush’s
strength of support is much higher than Kerry’s. Fully 75 percent of
Bush voters say they support him "strongly" and 25 percent say "only
somewhat." Among Kerry voters, just over half - 53 percent - say they
support him "strongly" and 45 percent say "only somewhat."
Significantly more voters think Bush would do a better job than Kerry
protecting the United States from terrorist attacks (49 percent to 28
percent). On the nation’s economy, Bush and Kerry are evenly matched
with each receiving 42 percent. Bush has an 11-percentage point edge
over Kerry when voters are asked which candidate is "more honest and
trustworthy," although 12 percent volunteer "neither."
The issue voters say will influence their decision the most is the
economy (26 percent), followed by health care (16 percent), terrorism
(10 percent), homeland security (eight percent), education (six
percent) and Social Security (six percent).
Regardless of how they plan to vote, half of the public believes Bush
is going to win in November, 30 percent believe Kerry will win and 20
percent are unsure or think it is too early to say.
The president’s overall job approval rating is 49 percent, which is
about where it has been holding for the last four months. On specific
issue areas, Bush receives his highest approval rating on the issue of
terrorism. Today, 52 percent approve of Bush’s job performance on
handling terrorism, down from 67 percent at the beginning of the year
and a high of 73 percent in May 2003.
On both handling the situation with Iraq and managing the economy,
more Americans disapprove than approve of Bush’s performance. Today,
46 percent approve and 49 percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing
managing the economy.
During the course of the war, the president’s ratings on his handling
of the situation with Iraq have fluctuated significantly. Currently 45
percent approve and 49 percent disapprove of Bush’s job performance on
Iraq. At the beginning of the year, soon after the capture of Saddam
Hussein, 57 percent of Americans approved and 35 percent disapproved.
"While the president holds a slender lead, this is a very close and
volatile race," comments Opinion Dynamics President John Gorman. "The
race is still more a referendum on Bush's performance than a race
between the two men. Kerry will have to try to use the Democratic
Convention to get the voters to start comparing the candidates - and
hope that he comes out favorably in the comparison."
Economy The president’s recent gains over Kerry may be attributed, in
part, to improved perceptions on the condition of the economy. Nearly
half, 47 percent, think the economy is getting stronger, up from 36
percent in April. On the job situation, 31 percent think it is getting
better, 26 percent worse and 39 percent the same.
Twice as many people rate their personal financial situation
positively as negatively, with 62 percent saying their situation is
"excellent" or "good." Just over a third (36 percent) rate their
financial situation as "only fair" or "poor."
Key Battleground States In addition to the national poll, Fox News
conducted statewide registered voter polls this week in four
battleground states: Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
President Bush does best in Florida, where optimism about economic
conditions is higher than in other key states.
The Economy
Getting stronger Not getting stronger
Florida 49% 36%
Michigan 32% 57%
Ohio 32% 58%
Pennsylvania 30% 56%
Bush tops Kerry by nine percentage points in a head-to-head matchup in
Florida and by 10 points when Nader is included.
Bush and Kerry are most closely matched in Michigan, with Bush at 42
percent, Kerry at 40 percent and Nader at five percent (his highest
level of support in the states tested). In the two-way Michigan race
Bush and Kerry are virtually tied, with Kerry up by only one percent.
In Ohio and Pennsylvania, the race is also well within the poll’s
margin of error. In Ohio, Bush is chosen over Kerry by a 45 percent to
41 percent margin, with Nader at four percent. Bush has a slight
five-percentage point edge over Kerry in Pennsylvania, with Nader at
three percent.
Iraq and the War on Terror More Americans continue to think going to
war with Iraq was the right thing to do. Unchanged since early April,
today 50 percent think going to war was the right thing to do and 42
percent say it was the wrong thing. A year ago, 65 percent said it was
the right thing to do.
Even so, a plurality is skeptical about Iraq’s chance of establishing
a democracy in the long term. By 42 percent to 34 percent, Americans
think Iraq is more likely to be governed by a dictatorship than by a
freely elected government five years from now.
Last week the bipartisan commission investigating the 9/11 attacks
said it did not find credible evidence of a "collaborative
relationship" between Saddam’s regime and the Al Qaeda terror network.
The poll finds that twice as many Americans believe that there was a
partnership between Iraq and Al Qaeda when Saddam was in power than
that there was no working relationship (56 percent and 28 percent).
"It is notable that while many critics have seen the 9/11 commission
reports as hurting the administration, they may actually have helped
with the voters," comments Gorman. "The commission is saying something
that a majority of Americans don't believe, while the president has
been given the platform to repeat his belief in something they do
believe. Right or wrong, he's preaching to the choir."
There is a huge partisan divide on this issue, with 73 percent of
Republicans believing there was a partnership between Iraq and Al
Qaeda, compared to 38 percent of Democrats and 58 percent of
independents.
A strong majority thinks it is likely that Saddam had prior knowledge
of the September 11 attacks. Over two-thirds of Americans (68 percent)
think it is "very" or "somewhat" likely Saddam knew about the attacks,
while 23 percent think it is "not very" or "not at all" likely the
former Iraqi leader knew about the plans.
By a wide margin, the public agrees with the Bush administration’s
view that fighting terrorists abroad will help keep from having to
fight terrorists on U.S. soil. By 63 percent to 26 percent Americans
agree that military action in Iraq and Afghanistan is necessary to
protect the United States.
Finally, a majority thinks it is "very" or "somewhat" likely
terrorists will try to disrupt the presidential election this year
with a major attack on the United States (62 percent likely, 29
percent unlikely).
Polling was conducted by telephone June 22-23, 2004 in the evenings.
The total national sample is 900 registered voters nationwide, with a
margin of error of ±3 percentage points. Results are of registered
voters, unless otherwise noted. LV = likely voters
In addition, 750 registered voters were interviewed in each of the
following four statewide polls (±4): Florida, Michigan, Ohio and
Pennsylvania.
The "Battlegrounds" subgroup includes the following 15 states:
Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri,
Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, West
Virginia and Wisconsin. The remaining non-battleground states are
divided into "Red States" (voted for Bush in 2000) and "Blue States"
(gave their electoral votes to Gore).
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| Title: Re: Bush Kicks Kerry's *****! |
13 Aug 2004 08:42:57 AM |
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"Dave Middleton" <dmiddleton@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote
Bush Kicks Kerry's *****!
Ironically, the one opportunity Bush had to fight he pulled
strings in order to leap ahead of a huge waiting list, safely
dodging the draft.
Continuing the irony...
Bush supported the Vietnam war. Still does. Yup. He still
thinks it was a good idea, even all these decades after the
famous "Pentagon Papers" were leaked, revealing that the
military knew we could never win.
Bush might've pulled strings to dodge the draft, but it was
only because he saw himself as one of the "Elite," someone
that was just too good to risk life & limb. He actually
supported the war, wanted to see OTHER young men go
off and die.
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| User: "Michael Marxist Moore" |
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| Title: Titanic or The Clinton Video?? |
13 Aug 2004 09:26:33 AM |
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Titanic or The Clinton Video??
PROBLEM: Two Videos are for sale - Which to Buy?
Titanic or The Clinton Video?
TITANIC VIDEO: $9.99 on Internet
CLINTON VIDEO: $9.99 on Internet
TITANIC VIDEO: Over 3 hours long
CLINTON VIDEO: Over 3 hours long
TITANIC VIDEO: The story of Jack and Rose, their forbidden love, and
subsequent catastrophe.
CLINTON VIDEO: The story of Bill and Monica, their forbidden love, and
subsequent catastrophe.
TITANIC VIDEO: Jack is a starving artist
CLINTON VIDEO: Bill is a ***** artist
TITANIC VIDEO: In one scene, Jack enjoys a good cigar
CLINTON VIDEO: Ditto for Bill
TITANIC VIDEO: During ordeal, Rose's dress gets ruined
CLINTON VIDEO: Ditto for Monica
TITANIC VIDEO: Jack teaches Rose to spit
CLINTON VIDEO: Let's not go there
TITANIC VIDEO: Rose gets to keep her jewelry
CLINTON VIDEO: Monica's forced to return her gifts
TITANIC VIDEO: Rose remembers Jack for the rest of her life
CLINTON VIDEO: Clinton doesn't remember Jack
TITANIC VIDEO: Rose goes down on a vessel full of seamen
CLINTON VIDEO: Monica...ooh, never mind
TITANIC VIDEO: Jack surrenders to an icy death
CLINTON VIDEO: Bill goes home to Hillary ... basically the same thing.
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| Title: VETS CHARGE: KERRY KILLED FLEEING TEEN; LIED FOR MEDAL |
13 Aug 2004 10:15:29 AM |
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VETS CHARGE: KERRY KILLED FLEEING TEEN; LIED FOR MEDAL
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Slaughters Animals, Burns Down Tiny Village
**Exclusive**
A veterans group seeking to deeply discredit Democrat John Kerry's
military service will charge in the new bombshell book UNFIT FOR
COMMAND:
"Kerry earned his Silver Star by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet
Cong in a loincloth."
"And if Kerry's superiors had known the truth at the time, they would
never have recommended him for the medal."
The book also claims to detail how Kerry personally ordered the
slaughter of small animals at a small hamlet along the Song Bo De
River.
MORE
The book, set for release next week, hit #1 on the AMAZON hitparade
after the DRUDGE REPORT revealed details of the book -- a book the
Kerry camapign believes is the"the dirtiest of all dirty tricks ever
played on a candidate for the presidency."
The Kerry campaign is planning to vigorously counter the charges and
will accuse the veteran's groups of being well-financed by a top Bush
donor from Texas.
The vets have launched a blistering new TV commercial questioning
Kerry's honor and calling him a liar.
MORE
George Bates, an officer in Coastal Division 11, participated in
numerous operations with Kerry. In UNFIT FOR COMMAND, Bates recalls a
particular patrol with Kerry on the Song Bo De River. He is still
haunted" by the incident:
With Kerry in the lead, the boats approached a small hamlet with three
or four grass huts. Pigs and chickens were milling around peacefully.
As the boats drew closer, the villagers fled. There were no political
symbols or flags in evidence in the tiny village. It was obvious to
Bates that existing policies, decency, and good sense required the
boats to simply move on.
Instead, Kerry beached his boat directly in the small settlement. Upon
his command, the numerous small animals were slaughtered by
heavy-caliber machine guns. Acting more like a pirate than a naval
officer, Kerry disembarked and ran around with a Zippo lighter,
burning up the entire hamlet.
Bates has never forgotten Kerry's actions.
MORE
UNFIT FOR COMMAND, DRUDGE has learned, claims Kerry "earned his Silver
Star by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet Cong in a loincloth."
ARE THE VETS TELLING THE TRUTH?
"They hired a ***** private investigator to dig up trash!" charged a
top Kerry adviser traveling with the senator late Tuesday. "This is
pay for play... How low can they go?"
Kerry supporters are comparing the effort by the veterans to the
Arkansas State troopers tell-all against Bill Clinton.
MORE
John O'Neill, co-author of UNFIT FOR COMMAND, believes that "Kerry's
Star would never have been awarded had his actions been reviewed
through normal channels. In his case, he was awarded the medal two
days after the incident with no review. The medal was arranged to
boost the morale of Coastal
Division 11, but it was based on false and incomplete information
provided by Kerry himself."
According to Kerry's Silver Star citation, Kerry was in command of a
three-boat mission on the Dong Cung River. As the boats approached the
target area, they came under intense enemy fire. Kerry ordered his
boat to attack and all boats opened fire. He then beached directly in
front of the enemy ambushers. In the battle that followed, the crews
captured enemy weapons. His boat then moved further up the river to
suppress more enemy fire. A rocket exploded near Kerry's boat, and he
ordered to charge the enemy. Kerry beached his boat 10 feet from the
rocket position and led a landing party ashore to pursue the enemy.
Kerry' citation reads: "The extraordinary daring and personal courage
of Lt. Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of
intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission."
Here's what O'Neill and the Swiftees say: "According to Kerry's
crewman Michael Madeiros, Kerry had an agreement with him to turn the
boat in and onto the beach if fired upon. Each of the three boats
involved in the operation was involved in the agreement." O'Neill
writes that one crewman even recalls a discussion of probable medals.
Doug Reese, a pro Kerry Army veteran, recounted what happened that day
to O'Neill, "Far from being alone, the boats were loaded with many
soldiers commanded by Reese and two other advisors. When fired at,
Reese's boat-not Kerry's--was the first to beach in the ambush zone.
Then Reese and other troops and advisors (not Kerry) disembarked,
killing a number of Viet Cong and capturing a number of weapons. None
of the participants from Reese's boat received Silver Stars.
O'Neill continues: "Kerry's boat moved slightly downstream and was
struck by a rocket-propelled grenade. . . .A young Viet Cong in a
loincloth popped out of a hole, clutching a grenade launcher, which
may or may not have been loaded. . . Tom Belodeau, a forward gunner,
shot the Viet Cong with an M-60 machine gun in the leg as he fled. . .
.. Kerry and Medeiros (who had many troops in their boat) took off,
perhaps with others, and followed the young Viet Cong and shot him in
the back, behind a lean to."
O'Neill concludes "Whether Kerry's dispatching of a fleeing, wounded,
armed or unarmed teenage enemy was in accordance with the customs of
war, it is very clear that many Vietnam veterans and most Swiftees do
not consider this action to be the stuff of which medals of any kind
are awarded; nor would it even be a good story if told in the cold
details of reality. There is no indication that Kerry ever reported
that the Viet Cong was wounded and fleeing when dispatched. Likewise,
the citation simply ignores the presence of the soldiers and advisors
who actually 'captured the enemy weapons' and routed the Viet Cong. .
.. . [and] that Kerry attacked a 'numerically superior force in the
face of intense fire' is simply false. There was little or no fire
after Kerry followed the plan. . . . The lone, wounded, fleeing young
Viet Cong in a loincloth was hardly a force superior to the heavily
armed Swift Boat and its crew and the soldiers carried aboard."
DRUDGE learns from UNFIT FOR COMMAND that if Kerry's superior officers
knew the truth, they would never have recommended the award:
"Admiral Roy Hoffmann, who sent a Bravo Zulu (meaning "good work"), to
Kerry upon learning of the incident, was very surprised to discover in
2004 what had actually occurred. Hoffmann had been told that Kerry had
spontaneously beached next to the bunker and almost single-handedly
routed a bunkered force in Viet Cong. He was shocked to find out that
Kerry had beached his boat second in a preplanned operation, and that
he had killed a single, wounded teenage foe as he fled."
"Commander Geoge Elliott, who wrote up the initial draft of Kerry's
Silver Star citation, confirms that neither he, nor anyone else in the
Silver Star process that he knows, realized before 1996 that Kerry was
facing a single, wounded young Viet Cong fleeing in a loincloth. While
Commander Elliott and many other Swiftees believe that Kerry committed
no crime in killing the fleeing, wounded enemy (with a loaded or empty
launcher), others feel differently. Commander Elliott indicates that a
Silver Star recommendation
would not have been made by him had he been aware of the actual
facts."
Developing....
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Filed By Matt Drudge
Reports are moved when circumstances warrant
http://www.drudgereport.com for updates
(c)DRUDGE REPORT 2004
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| Title: Re: VETS CHARGE: KERRY KILLED FLEEING TEEN; LIED FOR MEDAL |
19 Aug 2004 06:40:01 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:15:29 -0400, Pete Lewis
<pdlewis375@N0THING.N0SPAM.0RG> wrote:
VETS CHARGE: KERRY KILLED FLEEING TEEN; LIED FOR MEDAL
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Slaughters Animals, Burns Down Tiny Village
**Exclusive**
A veterans group seeking to deeply discredit Democrat John Kerry's
military service will charge in the new bombshell book UNFIT FOR
COMMAND:
"Kerry earned his Silver Star by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet
Cong in a loincloth."
Not that this guy is a liar or anything
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/kerry_war_critic
Military Documents Contradict Kerry Critic
Thu Aug 19, 4:27 AM ET
WASHINGTON - A Vietnam veteran who claims Sen. John Kerry (news - web
sites) lied about being under fire during a Mekong Delta engagement
that won Kerry a Bronze Star was under constant fire himself during
the same skirmish, according to the man's own medal citation, a
newspaper reported.
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