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"Ted Harvard" |
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01 Dec 2005 09:33:33 PM |
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Civilization is based on FAITH !!! |
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD. So
being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology, but you don't believe that
GOD gave us the knowledge and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
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| User: "Lörd Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: Civilization is based on FAITH !!! |
02 Dec 2005 08:02:36 AM |
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"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> astounded us with:
news:1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD. So
being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology, but you don't believe that
GOD gave us the knowledge and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
You'rrrrrrrre a FUCKWIT!!
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Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: Civilization is based on FAITH !!! |
02 Dec 2005 04:18:26 AM |
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"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> suddenly spluttered:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
Translation: "Yap! Yap! (I wonder whose tail this is?).
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Look at the logo and tell me Christianity isn't a death cult.
D Silverman BAAWA and bar.
AA #2208
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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02 Dec 2005 04:20:53 AM |
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"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> suddenly spluttered:
true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
Civilised societies don't execute people, God-botherers do.
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Look at the logo and tell me Christianity isn't a death cult.
D Silverman BAAWA and bar.
AA #2208
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: Civilization is based on FAITH !!! |
04 Dec 2005 09:23:38 PM |
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"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Pretty big assumption. You have any data to back this up?
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
Actually it is all a result of the hard work of many scientists, who
incidently were very careful to keep their faith separate from their
work, in the case of technology. (Apologies to the engineers and
mechanics who put the science to work) Culture is a natural result of
humans congregating and cooperating in large groups. Part of our DNA.
So
being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology, but you don't believe that
GOD gave us the knowledge and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
So we need God's OK to live in society now? What arrogance. Most of us
are atheists because of the massive evidence against the existence of a
God. All of the claims by creationists about the origin of the Earth,
the Cosmos and life have been thoroughly debunked by scientists who
understand the mechanics of the physical world much better than a group
of Bronze age goat herders who attributed every event they could not
understand to some supernatural power.
Unfortunately for you, your God is being diminished every time science
explains something previously not understood. Time for you to accept
reality.
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
All societies change, even Godded ones. True progress can only be
accomplished through understanding our natural world and ourselves.
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
So when exactly did these hairy cave people get God?
Your argument claims that without believing in your God we would never
have advanced beyond our Cro Magnon ancestors, yet the books you hold so
dear and hold essential for your belief in this God did not exist 30,000
years ago. So how did these Cro Magnons advance far enough to write
these books of yours?
Before you go off making outrageous statements you just might want to
learn how to think.
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aa #1779 or maybe higher, who knows.
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit a specific interpretation of the
bible.
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| User: "Woden" |
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01 Dec 2005 10:36:21 PM |
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"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD. So
being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology, but you don't believe that
GOD gave us the knowledge and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
LMAO. I always enjoy these fools who come to alt.atheism and so clearly
demonstrate their stupidity and ignorance.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Civilization is based on FAITH !!! |
02 Dec 2005 01:15:23 AM |
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"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
God owns immac?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Dec 2005 10:48:12 AM |
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"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Faith in what?
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
Which god?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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04 Dec 2005 09:30:32 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3vbc4fF14p8qeU1@individual.net:
"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Faith in what?
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
Which god?
The green one. Man you witches don't know nothin' 'bout no gods.
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aa #1779 or maybe later, who knows.
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit a specific interpretation of the
bible.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Civilization is based on FAITH !!! |
04 Dec 2005 03:17:35 AM |
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In article <3vbc4fF14p8qeU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Faith in what?
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
Which god?
None, but I could give a very long list of scientists and inventors who
were responsible for our advances.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Andrew Staker" |
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| Title: Re: Civilization is based on FAITH !!! |
01 Dec 2005 09:40:50 PM |
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Exactly, we evolved from the caves by not being conservative. Well said.
Ted Harvard wrote:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD. So
being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology, but you don't believe that
GOD gave us the knowledge and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Civilization is based on REASON, twit |
02 Dec 2005 04:01:54 AM |
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In article <1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
What a strange thought.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
You mean like the technology for affecting goat genetics using striped
sticks, as described in Genesis?
So being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology, but you don't believe that
GOD gave us the knowledge and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
Very good! You understand us a little, which is surprising, considering
your other statements.
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
You mean like Rome? It became a Christian society and its collapse was
accelerated by the move.
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
I urge you to look at the history of the Dark Ages. For nearly a
thousand years, the Godly leaders of Europe were united in their desire
for no change or advancement, and they persecuted anyone who tried to
learn anything new.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Civilization is based on REASON !!! |
02 Dec 2005 12:55:32 AM |
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In article <1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote:
It needed a little editing.
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Without human intelligence and reason, we would still live in caves and
eat raw meat.
Every technology, all our civilization was developed for us through
intelligence and reason. So being an believer is a paradox - you like to
live in our society with all its advantages and all the technology, but
you still believe that GOD, not human endeavor, gave us the knowledge
and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
Extremist religon based societies will ultimately fail. True progress
can only be achieved by those which let reason reign over superstition.
It's true and you know it! If all you believed in was your god, you
would still be a hairy caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to
survive !
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There. That's better.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Civilization is based on FAITH !!! |
02 Dec 2005 10:54:55 AM |
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In article <1133494413.071643.218340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
rest_ampere@yahoo.com says...
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
No, that was more likely a result of irrational faith systems and
superstitions. It took iconoclasts to move out of the caves and doubt
the priestly fantasies of ghosts and goblins haunting the night.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
No, technologies were invented by the human mind. If you are correct in
your idiotic claim that god gave us all technologies then it would
strongly suggest that (1) no atheist or iconoclast should have ever
invented anything, which is a demonstrably false position (2) god's
creation was so imperfect that technologies were needed to fix the
fuckups that god caused in the first places (3) and that we even need
technology as opposed to relying upon magic intervention by gawd through
prayers.
On the last point, jesus never said that we needed hospitals or cat-scan
machines or robotic surgery. He said all you have to do is pray. He was
such a moron that he thought sickness was caused by demonic possession
when in fact it has nothing to do with the etiology of illness.
So
being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology,
Mankind created the technologies without the help of god. Indeed there is
no evidence that he exists in any fashion. The existence of high
technology is proof that man cannot rely upon any god and instead relies
upon his own brain to solve problems. You're an ignorant throwback who
tries to give gawd the credit every time the human brain solves problems
that your alleged gawd never should have allowed to exist in the first
place. Mark Twain wrote about this phenomena when he noted that science
has recently cured hookworm disease. He noted, "six thousand years ago
Shem was full of hookworms. Microscopic in size, invisible to the unaided
eye. All of the Creator's specially deadly disease-producers are
invisible. It is an ingenious idea. For thousands of years it kept man
from getting at the roots of his maladies...God is back of this. He has
been thinking about it for six thousand years, and making up his mind.
The idea of exterminating the hookworm was his. He came very near doing
it before Dr. Charles Wardell Stiles did. But he is in time to get the
credit of it. He always is."
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "" |
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24 Feb 2006 11:41:52 AM |
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On 1-Dec-2005, "Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
Oh! So, the so-called deity you refer to DID create hairy pseudo-humans that
did eventually evolve? When did they stop being hairy cavemen and leave
their caves? How long did the change take for them to go from being
hairy-cavemen to being the homo-sapiens that we recognize today?
Do you even read your rhetoric before posting?
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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24 Feb 2006 07:25:33 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:41:52 GMT, wrote:
On 1-Dec-2005, "Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
Oh! So, the so-called deity you refer to DID create hairy pseudo-humans that
did eventually evolve? When did they stop being hairy cavemen
You aint seen my brother in law: Have ya?
and leave
their caves?
He aint left it.
....But the bats, have.
*****! His personal hygiene, is lacking something.
How long did the change take for them to go from being
hairy-cavemen to being the homo-sapiens that we recognize today?
For Harry, it aint happened yet.
Do you even read your rhetoric before posting?
Who? Moi? Why, I always errrmm.....
What was the question, again? (:-)
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Dec 2005 01:54:46 PM |
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On 1 Dec 2005 19:33:33 -0800, "Ted Harvard" <rest_ampere@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
(laughing at the cretin) Gotta love it's ignorant projections.
[]
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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01 Dec 2005 10:02:17 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Ted Harvard
(rest_ampere@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Creationists would prefer, it seems, to go back there, to devolve.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
Which one?
So
being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology, but you don't believe that
GOD gave us the knowledge and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
Hold on pardner. YOUR society? Can you show me your deed? Like it or
not, this is everyone's society. We have to learn to live with each
other, to accept everyone's diversity, and work toward solving common
goals. It seems to me YOU are the one living in a cave eating raw meat.
Or not far from it.
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
Like Iran?
It's true and you know it!
Great argument, Spanky! They must have served pizza for nutrition break.
Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
Gods are for prehistoric civilizations, populated by people who fear
everything they don't understand, which is just about everything. So
when are you moving?
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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02 Dec 2005 04:58:34 AM |
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Ted Harvard wrote:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by
snip.
I suppose it all depends on what you consider 'civilized'.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3877421.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4596127.stm
The research is just beginning, but it would seem the more religious a
society is, the less functional it is. I'm not claiming that religion
is responsible-I'd be more inclined to believe that religion is simply
a side affect of the ignorance that causes higher rates of death &
disease.
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Messages such as yours are simply the death cries of primitivity. The
US is the only country in the world with indoor plumbing that still
believes that `god' *****, and you're unhappy that the news about the
insignificance of god-belief has finally arrived. Millions of US
citizens that didn't believe in that crap have finally admitted it out
loud, now that they know they're not alone. One day religious belief
will be like venerial disease-we'll feel sorry for folks who have it,
but it will be considered good manners if they will keep it to
themselves. So scream now, god-bot. Long, loud, and harsh. Because it's
your last chance. The genii is out of the bottle, and nothing is going
to stop it.
Or should I just book you those tickets to Angola?
Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Godless American, and Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
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01 Dec 2005 11:34:39 PM |
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Ted Harvard wrote:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD. So
being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology, but you don't believe that
GOD gave us the knowledge and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
Then we are, every each one of us, utterly useless, simple puppets in
the Theater Of God. What a nihilistic religion xianity is...
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Malibu Skipper" |
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01 Dec 2005 09:40:33 PM |
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Ted Harvard wrote:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Cool. Would we get to fight flying dinosaurs?
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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01 Dec 2005 09:45:46 PM |
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Ted Harvard wrote:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Unsupported assertion.
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
Funny how the most zealous society in western culture (the 4th reich of
ameriKKKa) is the one closest to failure on so many levels.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "Alex Hunsley" |
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02 Dec 2005 08:05:07 AM |
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Ted Harvard wrote:
Without faith, we would still live in caves and eat raw meat.
Without faith, there would prolly be hella less war.
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
Yeah. Did you see how many carved stone tablets god had to send down to
show us the design of the teevee set? Filled a whole field, it did. And
all so you could watch pat robertson have a prolapse. PRAISE THE LARD!
So
being an atheist is a paradox - you like to live in our society with
all its advantages and all the technology, but you don't believe that
GOD gave us the knowledge and wisdom to advance to such a high level.
Yeah, that sympathetic loving gawd who apparently chose to only bestow
soap, anaesthetic and modern medicine on the human race a few years ago.
What a nice guy he must be. Forget all the people who suffered before
recent years. After all, they're not YOU, so they don't count or matter, eh?
Godless societies will fall, true progress can only be achieved by the
faithful ones.
It's true and you know it! Without GOD, you'll still be a hairy
caveman/cavewoman who had to eat its own fleas to survive !
You must have a very low opinion of yourself.
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| User: "" |
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04 Dec 2005 07:17:18 PM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.atheism.]
On 1 Dec 2005 19:33:33 -0800, Ted Harvard <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> spewed
forth this unto the Network:
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
So GOD invented the light bulb?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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04 Dec 2005 07:22:05 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:17:18 -0000, wrote:
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.atheism.]
On 1 Dec 2005 19:33:33 -0800, Ted Harvard <rest_ampere@yahoo.com> spewed
forth this unto the Network:
Every technology, all our civilization was granted to us by GOD.
So GOD invented the light bulb?
No, that was Vesta - sold in our local Woolworth's when I was a kid.
God invented the arc light.
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