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Religions > Atheism |
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"Gary DeWaay" |
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16 Jan 2005 09:33:06 PM |
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Clarence Thomas quote: |
http://sheldman.blogspot.com/2005/01/i-would-like-to-believe-that-
somebody.html
or http://tinyurl.com/4u2wl
....quote...
"Justice Thomas expressly believes that "a judge should be evaluated by
whether he faithfully upholds his oath to God, not to the people, to the
state or to the Constitution"?"
....end quote....
(thanx to Atrios)
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Gary
"Ban Republican marriage... WAR is unnatural".
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| User: "Clave" |
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16 Jan 2005 09:48:32 PM |
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"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c54ede885283a53989db4@news.midco.net...
http://sheldman.blogspot.com/2005/01/i-would-like-to-believe-that-
somebody.html
or http://tinyurl.com/4u2wl
...quote...
"Justice Thomas expressly believes that "a judge should be evaluated by
whether he faithfully upholds his oath to God, not to the people, to the
state or to the Constitution"?"
Clarence "Uncle" Thomas pandering to the RRR? Who knew?
In other news, WorldNetDaily is reporting that babies are frightened by loud
noises.
<...cue Bonzo asking for a cite...>
Jim
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| User: "COL. BILL KILGORE" |
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17 Jan 2005 05:59:25 PM |
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote in message
news:v8qdnXqoLckSqXbcRVn-iQ@cablespeedwa.com...
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c54ede885283a53989db4@news.midco.net...
http://sheldman.blogspot.com/2005/01/i-would-like-to-believe-that-
somebody.html
or http://tinyurl.com/4u2wl
...quote...
"Justice Thomas expressly believes that "a judge should be evaluated by
whether he faithfully upholds his oath to God, not to the people, to the
state or to the Constitution"?"
Clarence "Uncle" Thomas pandering to the RRR? Who knew?
It must be great being a liberal; you can be an overt racist and not have to
answer for it either politically or personally. Hypocrite.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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17 Jan 2005 08:34:43 PM |
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"COL. BILL KILGORE" <bilkil@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote in message
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"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c54ede885283a53989db4@news.midco.net...
http://sheldman.blogspot.com/2005/01/i-would-like-to-believe-that-
somebody.html
or http://tinyurl.com/4u2wl
...quote...
"Justice Thomas expressly believes that "a judge should be evaluated
by
whether he faithfully upholds his oath to God, not to the people, to
the
state or to the Constitution"?"
Clarence "Uncle" Thomas pandering to the RRR? Who knew?
It must be great being a liberal; you can be an overt racist and not have
to
answer for it either politically or personally. Hypocrite.
All the racist conservative Democrats became Republicans. They
were the racists, as are the controllers of your Party.
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| User: "Bill Bonde The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shoutingloud " |
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17 Jan 2005 09:07:29 PM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"COL. BILL KILGORE" <bilkil@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3531quF4gjqguU1@individual.net...
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote in message
news:v8qdnXqoLckSqXbcRVn-iQ@cablespeedwa.com...
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c54ede885283a53989db4@news.midco.net...
http://sheldman.blogspot.com/2005/01/i-would-like-to-believe-that-
somebody.html
or http://tinyurl.com/4u2wl
...quote...
"Justice Thomas expressly believes that "a judge should be evaluated
by
whether he faithfully upholds his oath to God, not to the people, to
the
state or to the Constitution"?"
Clarence "Uncle" Thomas pandering to the RRR? Who knew?
It must be great being a liberal; you can be an overt racist and not have
to
answer for it either politically or personally. Hypocrite.
All the racist conservative Democrats became Republicans. They
were the racists, as are the controllers of your Party.
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that did
not allow black women in.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "Hawkster" |
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19 Jan 2005 07:54:23 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in
news:41EC7D71.FF68C0F5@backpacker.com:
<....>
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that
did not allow black women in.
That means she may have Republican tendencies; you should be thrilled.
Hawkster
You lost - Quit Whining
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| User: "Bill Bonde The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shoutingloud " |
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19 Jan 2005 04:54:26 PM |
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Hawkster wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in
news:41EC7D71.FF68C0F5@backpacker.com:
<....>
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that
did not allow black women in.
That means she may have Republican tendencies; you should be thrilled.
Hawkster
You lost - Quit Whining
The Democrats stole the election. The people of Washington want a new
election. Gregoire doesn't want that for some reason. Why is that? She
logically should win easily without the Greens and Libertarians to take
away her votes. Go look at how Kerry did here compared to Bush and ask
why Gregoire lost all that support to Rossi.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "Hawkster" |
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20 Jan 2005 01:20:41 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in news:41EEE522.37D225F0
@backpacker.com:
Hawkster wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in
news:41EC7D71.FF68C0F5@backpacker.com:
<....>
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that
did not allow black women in.
That means she may have Republican tendencies; you should be thrilled.
Hawkster
You lost - Quit Whining
The Democrats stole the election. The people of Washington want a new
election. Gregoire doesn't want that for some reason. Why is that? She
logically should win easily without the Greens and Libertarians to take
away her votes. Go look at how Kerry did here compared to Bush and ask
why Gregoire lost all that support to Rossi.
You've always treated this type of assertion with utter contempt -- until
now. Why is that?
Yup, here in the northwest we spell partisan, "b-o-n-d-e"....
BTW, why are you even responding to me, Bill? Just yesterday you stated
that I was insane. How soon we forget in heat of battle (or Alzheimer's
or something), huh?
Nice to hear from you, though.
Hawkster
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| User: "Bill Bonde The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shoutingloud " |
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20 Jan 2005 12:31:00 PM |
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Hawkster wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in news:41EEE522.37D225F0
@backpacker.com:
Hawkster wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in
news:41EC7D71.FF68C0F5@backpacker.com:
<....>
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that
did not allow black women in.
That means she may have Republican tendencies; you should be thrilled.
Hawkster
You lost - Quit Whining
The Democrats stole the election. The people of Washington want a new
election. Gregoire doesn't want that for some reason. Why is that? She
logically should win easily without the Greens and Libertarians to take
away her votes. Go look at how Kerry did here compared to Bush and ask
why Gregoire lost all that support to Rossi.
You've always treated this type of assertion with utter contempt -- until
now. Why is that?
That someone stole an election? I thought that the election in Ukraine
was stolen and a revote was in order. If you mean in Florida in 2000,
Bush won every single count and recount, even every single partial
count. Or in Ohio in 2004? Bush won by 127,000 votes, about 1000 times
what Gregoire was supposed to have managed in Washington after she had
lost the count and the recount, and only after King County pulled
ballots out of Boss Hogg's ***** nine times, some a month after the
legally defined date when additional ballots are supposed to be able to
be added.
Yup, here in the northwest we spell partisan, "b-o-n-d-e"....
I want a revote and I would accept a victory, the likely outcome, for
Gregoire in that vote. She has every systemic advantage.
BTW, why are you even responding to me, Bill? Just yesterday you stated
that I was insane. How soon we forget in heat of battle (or Alzheimer's
or something), huh?
What does you being insane have to do with responding to your posts?
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:29:38 PM |
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Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
You've always treated this type of assertion with utter contempt -- until
now. Why is that?
That someone stole an election? I thought that the election in Ukraine
was stolen and a revote was in order. If you mean in Florida in 2000,
Bush won every single count and recount, even every single partial
count. Or in Ohio in 2004? Bush won by 127,000 votes, about 1000 times
what Gregoire was supposed to have managed in Washington after she had
lost the count and the recount, and only after King County pulled
ballots out of Boss Hogg's ***** nine times, some a month after the
legally defined date when additional ballots are supposed to be able to
be added.
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the election,
right Bill?
--
Gary
Press Briefing 4/10/03 Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and
it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. "
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| User: "Bill Bonde The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shoutingloud " |
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20 Jan 2005 10:27:09 PM |
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Gary DeWaay wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
You've always treated this type of assertion with utter contempt -- until
now. Why is that?
That someone stole an election? I thought that the election in Ukraine
was stolen and a revote was in order. If you mean in Florida in 2000,
Bush won every single count and recount, even every single partial
count. Or in Ohio in 2004? Bush won by 127,000 votes, about 1000 times
what Gregoire was supposed to have managed in Washington after she had
lost the count and the recount, and only after King County pulled
ballots out of Boss Hogg's ***** nine times, some a month after the
legally defined date when additional ballots are supposed to be able to
be added.
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the election,
right Bill?
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast. I said that in 2000 and I say that in 2004. Had
the same candidate won the count, the recount and the rerecount, it
would not be a problem. That isn't what happened and we can point to
several reasons why, one of which is the nine times King County found
ballots after the legal drop dead date, a month after that date in the
case of hundreds of ballots.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "Clave" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:59:16 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting loud'' )"
<> wrote in message
news:41F0849D.9383F830@backpacker.com...
Gary DeWaay wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
You've always treated this type of assertion with utter contempt -- until
now. Why is that?
That someone stole an election? I thought that the election in Ukraine
was stolen and a revote was in order. If you mean in Florida in 2000,
Bush won every single count and recount, even every single partial
count. Or in Ohio in 2004? Bush won by 127,000 votes, about 1000 times
what Gregoire was supposed to have managed in Washington after she had
lost the count and the recount, and only after King County pulled
ballots out of Boss Hogg's ***** nine times, some a month after the
legally defined date when additional ballots are supposed to be able to
be added.
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the election,
right Bill?
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast...
There was no complaining, just following the law. Well, no complaining until
Rossi lost, anyway, then it's "I want a do-over!!!"
Find something else to whine about. Your horse is dead from natural causes.
Jim
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| User: "Bill Bonde The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shoutingloud " |
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20 Jan 2005 11:36:54 PM |
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Clave wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting loud'' )"
< > wrote in message
news:41F0849D.9383F830@backpacker.com...
Gary DeWaay wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
You've always treated this type of assertion with utter contempt -- until
now. Why is that?
That someone stole an election? I thought that the election in Ukraine
was stolen and a revote was in order. If you mean in Florida in 2000,
Bush won every single count and recount, even every single partial
count. Or in Ohio in 2004? Bush won by 127,000 votes, about 1000 times
what Gregoire was supposed to have managed in Washington after she had
lost the count and the recount, and only after King County pulled
ballots out of Boss Hogg's ***** nine times, some a month after the
legally defined date when additional ballots are supposed to be able to
be added.
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the election,
right Bill?
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast...
There was no complaining, just following the law. Well, no complaining until
Rossi lost, anyway, then it's "I want a do-over!!!"
They didn't follow the law. That doesn't seem to matter to you. What
ever happened to your 'count every vote' mantra?
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "Clave" |
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20 Jan 2005 11:57:01 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting loud'' )"
<> wrote in message
news:41F094F6.5717F508@backpacker.com...
Clave wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )"
< > wrote in message
news:41F0849D.9383F830@backpacker.com...
Gary DeWaay wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
You've always treated this type of assertion with utter contempt --
until
now. Why is that?
That someone stole an election? I thought that the election in Ukraine
was stolen and a revote was in order. If you mean in Florida in 2000,
Bush won every single count and recount, even every single partial
count. Or in Ohio in 2004? Bush won by 127,000 votes, about 1000 times
what Gregoire was supposed to have managed in Washington after she had
lost the count and the recount, and only after King County pulled
ballots out of Boss Hogg's ***** nine times, some a month after the
legally defined date when additional ballots are supposed to be able to
be added.
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the election,
right Bill?
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast...
There was no complaining, just following the law. Well, no complaining until
Rossi lost, anyway, then it's "I want a do-over!!!"
They didn't follow the law...
How so, Bon-zo?
Jim
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| User: "Bill Bonde The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shoutingloud " |
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21 Jan 2005 12:03:47 AM |
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Clave wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting loud'' )"
< > wrote in message
news:41F094F6.5717F508@backpacker.com...
Clave wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )"
< > wrote in message
news:41F0849D.9383F830@backpacker.com...
Gary DeWaay wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
You've always treated this type of assertion with utter contempt --
until
now. Why is that?
That someone stole an election? I thought that the election in Ukraine
was stolen and a revote was in order. If you mean in Florida in 2000,
Bush won every single count and recount, even every single partial
count. Or in Ohio in 2004? Bush won by 127,000 votes, about 1000 times
what Gregoire was supposed to have managed in Washington after she had
lost the count and the recount, and only after King County pulled
ballots out of Boss Hogg's ***** nine times, some a month after the
legally defined date when additional ballots are supposed to be able to
be added.
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the election,
right Bill?
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast...
There was no complaining, just following the law. Well, no complaining until
Rossi lost, anyway, then it's "I want a do-over!!!"
They didn't follow the law...
How so, Bon-zo?
They added votes after the law said you couldn't add votes, for one.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "Clave" |
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| Title: Re: Clarence Thomas quote: |
21 Jan 2005 12:18:17 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting loud'' )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:41F09B43.741E955F@backpacker.com...
Clave wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:41F094F6.5717F508@backpacker.com...
Clave wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:41F0849D.9383F830@backpacker.com...
<...>
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast...
There was no complaining, just following the law. Well, no complaining
until
Rossi lost, anyway, then it's "I want a do-over!!!"
They didn't follow the law...
How so, Bon-zo?
They added votes after the law said you couldn't add votes, for one.
I don't think so.
Cite the law you think was violated, and how. Make sure to copy Chris Vance.
Jim
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| User: "Clave" |
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21 Jan 2005 12:23:58 AM |
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote in message
news:10v17d4i3bh54fc@news.supernews.com...
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:41F09B43.741E955F@backpacker.com...
Clave wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:41F094F6.5717F508@backpacker.com...
Clave wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:41F0849D.9383F830@backpacker.com...
<...>
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast...
There was no complaining, just following the law. Well, no complaining
until
Rossi lost, anyway, then it's "I want a do-over!!!"
They didn't follow the law...
How so, Bon-zo?
They added votes after the law said you couldn't add votes, for one.
I don't think so.
Cite the law you think was violated, and how. Make sure to copy Chris Vance.
Oh, and for those of you playing along at home, Chris Vance is the chairman of
the Washington State Republican Party, whose legal challenge (on whatever
grounds), was delayed until early February, presumably because of a lack of
evidence compelling enough to warrant an immediate hearing.
Jim
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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21 Jan 2005 10:39:59 AM |
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Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the election,
right Bill?
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast. I said that in 2000 and I say that in 2004. Had
the same candidate won the count, the recount and the rerecount, it
would not be a problem.
That was not true in 2000. The SC stopped the recount, remember?
That isn't what happened and we can point to
several reasons why, one of which is the nine times King County found
ballots after the legal drop dead date, a month after that date in the
case of hundreds of ballots.
Hey I'll give you a re-vote in Washington if you can construct a time
machine and do a re-vote in Florida 2000.
Gore won by thousands of votes if not for all the mistaken "butterfly"
votes for Buchannon... even Buchannon admitted so.
--
Gary
Press Briefing 4/10/03 Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and
it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. "
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| User: "Bill Bonde The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shoutingloud " |
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21 Jan 2005 12:51:32 PM |
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Gary DeWaay wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the election,
right Bill?
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast. I said that in 2000 and I say that in 2004. Had
the same candidate won the count, the recount and the rerecount, it
would not be a problem.
That was not true in 2000. The SC stopped the recount, remember?
Bush won the count and the machine recount in Florida. He won before the
absentee voters were included and afterwards, before the military vote
and afterwards. The SCOTUS came up with a drop dead date for what would
have been an endless hand rerecount. I thought we had such a thing here
in Washington state for governor, at least a drop dead date for adding
newly found ballots to the hand count.
That isn't what happened and we can point to
several reasons why, one of which is the nine times King County found
ballots after the legal drop dead date, a month after that date in the
case of hundreds of ballots.
Hey I'll give you a re-vote in Washington if you can construct a time
machine and do a re-vote in Florida 2000.
There is no reason to have a revote in Florida. The same person won each
count and a presidential election can't be delayed. If the count had
been allowed to go on passed the electoral college vote, the Florida
legislature would've stepped in and made the decision. Both chambers are
controlled easily by Republicans, the governor also being Republican.
Gore won by thousands of votes if not for all the mistaken "butterfly"
votes for Buchannon... even Buchannon admitted so.
Buchanan may have admitted that but what difference does it make? Bush
would've won had the election been fair. So many illegals and others who
should not be allowed to vote are allowed to vote in American elections,
and this skews it to the Democrats, that fixing this would be profound.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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22 Jan 2005 10:46:27 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )" <> wrote in message
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Gary DeWaay wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the
election,
right Bill?
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to complain
to get the dice recast. I said that in 2000 and I say that in 2004.
Had
the same candidate won the count, the recount and the rerecount, it
would not be a problem.
That was not true in 2000. The SC stopped the recount, remember?
Bush won the count and the machine recount in Florida. He won before the
absentee voters were included and afterwards, before the military vote
and afterwards. The SCOTUS came up with a drop dead date for what would
have been an endless hand rerecount.
Actually, it was the DEMOCRAT majority of the Florida Supreme Court who came
up with the deadline.
From: Palm Beach County Canvassing Board vs. Katherine Harris, 11/21/2000,
all seven members (6 Democrats and 1 Independent) agreed that the safe
harbor date was the deadline.
"Ignoring the county's returns is a drastic measure and is appropriate only
if the returns submitted the Department so late that their inclusion will
compromise the integrity of the electoral process in either of two way: (1)
by precluding a candidate, elector, or taxpayer from contesting the
certification of an election pursuant to section 102.168; or (2) by
precluding Florida voters from participating fully in the federal electoral
process." (reference to footnote 55)
"Footnote #55 See: 3 U.S.C. § § 1-10 (1994)."
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/sc00-2346.pdf
The SCOTUS refered to this ruling in their decision in Bush vs. Gore.
Seven Justices of the Court agree that there are constitutional problems
with the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court that demand a remedy.
See post, at 6 (Souter, J., dissenting); post, at 2, 15 (Breyer, J.,
dissenting). The only disagreement is as to the remedy. Because the Florida
Supreme Court has said that the Florida Legislature intended to obtain the
safe-harbor benefits of 3 U.S.C. § 5 Justice Breyer's proposed
remedy-remanding to the Florida Supreme Court for its ordering of a
constitutionally proper contest until December 18-contemplates action in
violation of the Florida election code, and hence could not be part of an
"appropriate" order authorized by Fla. Stat. §102.168(8) (2000).
Link: http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html
I thought we had such a thing here
in Washington state for governor, at least a drop dead date for adding
newly found ballots to the hand count.
That isn't what happened and we can point to
several reasons why, one of which is the nine times King County found
ballots after the legal drop dead date, a month after that date in the
case of hundreds of ballots.
Hey I'll give you a re-vote in Washington if you can construct a time
machine and do a re-vote in Florida 2000.
There is no reason to have a revote in Florida. The same person won each
count and a presidential election can't be delayed. If the count had
been allowed to go on passed the electoral college vote, the Florida
legislature would've stepped in and made the decision. Both chambers are
controlled easily by Republicans, the governor also being Republican.
Gore won by thousands of votes if not for all the mistaken "butterfly"
votes for Buchannon... even Buchannon admitted so.
Buchanan may have admitted that but what difference does it make? Bush
would've won had the election been fair. So many illegals and others who
should not be allowed to vote are allowed to vote in American elections,
and this skews it to the Democrats, that fixing this would be profound.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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21 Jan 2005 01:14:37 PM |
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Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
Gore won by thousands of votes if not for all the mistaken "butterfly"
votes for Buchannon... even Buchannon admitted so.
Buchanan may have admitted that but what difference does it make? Bush
would've won had the election been fair.
If all votes would have been counted in Florida like they were INTENDED,
Gore would have won easily...
You know this, but are whistling past the graveyard.
So many illegals and others who
should not be allowed to vote are allowed to vote in American elections,
and this skews it to the Democrats, that fixing this would be profound.
Ahhh, and Bill now whips out his giant.... conspiracy theory and he thinks
he WINS YET AGAIN!
Woo hoo!
--
Gary
Press Briefing 4/10/03 Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and
it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. "
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| User: "Bill Bonde The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shoutingloud " |
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21 Jan 2005 01:21:08 PM |
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Gary DeWaay wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
Gore won by thousands of votes if not for all the mistaken "butterfly"
votes for Buchannon... even Buchannon admitted so.
Buchanan may have admitted that but what difference does it make? Bush
would've won had the election been fair.
If all votes would have been counted in Florida like they were INTENDED,
Gore would have won easily...
You know this, but are whistling past the graveyard.
Nope. Gore lost in Florida each time the votes were counted.
So many illegals and others who
should not be allowed to vote are allowed to vote in American elections,
and this skews it to the Democrats, that fixing this would be profound.
Ahhh, and Bill now whips out his giant.... conspiracy theory and he thinks
he WINS YET AGAIN!
What do you think the intent of 'Motor Voter' is?
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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21 Jan 2005 11:44:19 AM |
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Gary DeWaay wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' )'s at wisdom:
And I'm sure your ire would be equal if a Republican won the
election,
right Bill?
If the election is within the noise, you shouldn't be able to
complain
to get the dice recast. I said that in 2000 and I say that in 2004.
Had
the same candidate won the count, the recount and the rerecount, it
would not be a problem.
That was not true in 2000. The SC stopped the recount, remember?
In 2000, Bush won the count, the automatic recount, and the recount
ordered by the Florida Supreme Court.
After the third tabulation, Bush was certified the winner of the state
under the supervision of the FSC. Any recount after that point is
non-binding.
That isn't what happened and we can point to
several reasons why, one of which is the nine times King County
found
ballots after the legal drop dead date, a month after that date in
the
case of hundreds of ballots.
Hey I'll give you a re-vote in Washington if you can construct a time
machine and do a re-vote in Florida 2000.
The Floirda Courts found that a re-vote would be unconstitutional
(Fladell v Palm Beach).
Gore won by thousands of votes if not for all the mistaken
"butterfly"
votes for Buchannon... even Buchannon admitted so.
This is Palm Beach County Florida. Buchanan recieved more than 8400
votes in 1996, fell to less than 3400 in 2000. I find it hard to
believe that Gore lost votes to Buchanan in a county with the largest
number of Reform party members in the state.
--
Gary
Press Briefing 4/10/03 Former White House Press Secretary Ari
Fleischer
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence
that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was
about and
it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. "
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21 Jan 2005 01:35:09 PM |
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's at wisdom:
Gore won by thousands of votes if not for all the mistaken
"butterfly"
votes for Buchannon... even Buchannon admitted so.
This is Palm Beach County Florida. Buchanan recieved more than 8400
votes in 1996, fell to less than 3400 in 2000. I find it hard to
believe that Gore lost votes to Buchanan in a county with the largest
number of Reform party members in the state.
Yea right:
....quote...
Newspaper: Butterfly ballot cost Gore White House
March 11, 2001
Web posted at: 8:43 a.m. EST (1343 GMT
WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- Voters confused by Palm Beach County's
butterfly ballot cost Al Gore the presidency, The Palm Beach Post
concluded Sunday.
The newspaper's review of discarded ballots found Gore lost 6,607 votes
when voters marked more than one name on the county's "butterfly ballot."
A leading Republican called the finding "speculation."
Voters who marked Gore's name and that of another candidate totaled more
than 10 times the winning margin Bush received to claim Florida's 25
electoral votes and the White House, the Post concluded. The newspaper
said the result was "an indictment of the butterfly ballot, political
experts and partisan observers agree."
The newspaper's review of the overvotes found 5,330 Palm Beach County
residents invalidated their ballots by punching chads for Gore and Reform
Party candidate Pat Buchanan. The hole voters punched for Buchanan was
located just above Gore's on the two-page ballot.
The ballots showed another 2,908 voters punched Gore and Socialist David
McReynolds, whose hole appeared just below Gore's. Buchanan's and
McReynolds' names appeared on the right page of the ballot, while Gore's
was on the left.
The confusion hurt Bush, too: 1,631 people punched Bush and Buchanan,
whose hole was below his on the ballot. But Gore was the bigger loser: the
two Gore combinations, minus the Bush-Buchanan votes, totaled 6,607 lost
votes for Gore, the Post found.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/palmbeach.recount/
....end quote....
2908 fucking votes for Socialist McReynolds?
Give me a fucking break.
Gore won the election if all votes were counted as INTENDED.
Face it.
--
Gary
Press Briefing 4/10/03 Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and
it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. "
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| User: "Mark Cook" |
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22 Jan 2005 10:40:00 AM |
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"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c5b15678f0c2cdb989dfc@news.midco.net...
's at wisdom:
Gore won by thousands of votes if not for all the mistaken
"butterfly"
votes for Buchannon... even Buchannon admitted so.
This is Palm Beach County Florida. Buchanan recieved more than 8400
votes in 1996, fell to less than 3400 in 2000. I find it hard to
believe that Gore lost votes to Buchanan in a county with the largest
number of Reform party members in the state.
Yea right:
...quote...
Newspaper: Butterfly ballot cost Gore White House
March 11, 2001
Web posted at: 8:43 a.m. EST (1343 GMT
WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- Voters confused by Palm Beach County's
butterfly ballot cost Al Gore the presidency, The Palm Beach Post
concluded Sunday.
The newspaper's review of discarded ballots found Gore lost 6,607 votes
when voters marked more than one name on the county's "butterfly ballot."
A leading Republican called the finding "speculation."
Voters who marked Gore's name and that of another candidate totaled more
than 10 times the winning margin Bush received to claim Florida's 25
electoral votes and the White House, the Post concluded. The newspaper
said the result was "an indictment of the butterfly ballot, political
experts and partisan observers agree."
The newspaper's review of the overvotes found 5,330 Palm Beach County
residents invalidated their ballots by punching chads for Gore and Reform
Party candidate Pat Buchanan. The hole voters punched for Buchanan was
located just above Gore's on the two-page ballot.
Thank you for proving my point. Buchanan lost 5,385 votes from 1996 primary
to the 2000 general election.
If you take a look at the history of the voting in Palm Beach County, you
have to wonder why Buchanan lost these votes. In the 1996 Republican
Presidential Primary, Buchanan received 8,788 votes. In 2000, he receives
3,407 in the General election.
Other than Buchanan, there were few Reform Party Canidates in the state. One
of the strongholds was in Palm Beach County.
Palm Beach County, 2000 election results for the Reform Party.
President...................., Buchanan, 3,704
State Senator, Dist 27, Clabo......., 11,751
State Senator, Dist 35, Lowe.........., 3,120
There was more than 14,800 reform party voters in Palm Beach County for the
2000 election. You have an active party in Palm Beach County, yet you find
it odd that 25% of these voters cast a ballot for the head of their ticket?
The ballots showed another 2,908 voters punched Gore and Socialist David
McReynolds, whose hole appeared just below Gore's. Buchanan's and
McReynolds' names appeared on the right page of the ballot, while Gore's
was on the left.
The confusion hurt Bush, too: 1,631 people punched Bush and Buchanan,
whose hole was below his on the ballot. But Gore was the bigger loser: the
two Gore combinations, minus the Bush-Buchanan votes, totaled 6,607 lost
votes for Gore, the Post found.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/palmbeach.recount/
...end quote....
2908 fucking votes for Socialist McReynolds?
Give me a fucking break.
Gore won the election if all votes were counted as INTENDED.
Face it.
--
Gary
Press Briefing 4/10/03 Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and
it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. "
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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22 Jan 2005 11:53:12 AM |
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Mark Cook's at wisdom:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c5b15678f0c2cdb989dfc@news.midco.net...
's at wisdom:
Gore won by thousands of votes if not for all the mistaken
"butterfly"
votes for Buchannon... even Buchannon admitted so.
This is Palm Beach County Florida. Buchanan recieved more than 8400
votes in 1996, fell to less than 3400 in 2000. I find it hard to
believe that Gore lost votes to Buchanan in a county with the largest
number of Reform party members in the state.
Yea right:
...quote...
Newspaper: Butterfly ballot cost Gore White House
March 11, 2001
Web posted at: 8:43 a.m. EST (1343 GMT
WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- Voters confused by Palm Beach County's
butterfly ballot cost Al Gore the presidency, The Palm Beach Post
concluded Sunday.
The newspaper's review of discarded ballots found Gore lost 6,607 votes
when voters marked more than one name on the county's "butterfly ballot."
A leading Republican called the finding "speculation."
Voters who marked Gore's name and that of another candidate totaled more
than 10 times the winning margin Bush received to claim Florida's 25
electoral votes and the White House, the Post concluded. The newspaper
said the result was "an indictment of the butterfly ballot, political
experts and partisan observers agree."
The newspaper's review of the overvotes found 5,330 Palm Beach County
residents invalidated their ballots by punching chads for Gore and Reform
Party candidate Pat Buchanan. The hole voters punched for Buchanan was
located just above Gore's on the two-page ballot.
Thank you for proving my point. Buchanan lost 5,385 votes from 1996 primary
to the 2000 general election.
You completely ignored my point. The article was counting only the DOUBLE
votes.
Did you even bother reading it? It's still there at the bottom.
If you take a look at the history of the voting in Palm Beach County, you
have to wonder why Buchanan lost these votes. In the 1996 Republican
Presidential Primary, Buchanan received 8,788 votes. In 2000, he receives
3,407 in the General election.
Other than Buchanan, there were few Reform Party Canidates in the state. One
of the strongholds was in Palm Beach County.
Palm Beach County, 2000 election results for the Reform Party.
President...................., Buchanan, 3,704
State Senator, Dist 27, Clabo......., 11,751
State Senator, Dist 35, Lowe.........., 3,120
There was more than 14,800 reform party voters in Palm Beach County for the
2000 election. You have an active party in Palm Beach County, yet you find
it odd that 25% of these voters cast a ballot for the head of their ticket?
Even if a good percentage of the double votes were intended for Buchanon,
what explains the 2908 double votes for MCREYNOLDS?
Gore won the election if all votes were counted as INTENDED.
Face it.
The ballots showed another 2,908 voters punched Gore and Socialist David
McReynolds, whose hole appeared just below Gore's. Buchanan's and
McReynolds' names appeared on the right page of the ballot, while Gore's
was on the left.
The confusion hurt Bush, too: 1,631 people punched Bush and Buchanan,
whose hole was below his on the ballot. But Gore was the bigger loser: the
two Gore combinations, minus the Bush-Buchanan votes, totaled 6,607 lost
votes for Gore, the Post found.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/palmbeach.recount/
...end quote....
2908 fucking votes for Socialist McReynolds?
Give me a fucking break.
Gore won the election if all votes were counted as INTENDED.
Face it.
--
Gary
Press Briefing 4/10/03 Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and
it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. "
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18 Jan 2005 09:01:43 PM |
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Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' ) wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"COL. BILL KILGORE" <bilkil@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3531quF4gjqguU1@individual.net...
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote in message
news:v8qdnXqoLckSqXbcRVn-iQ@cablespeedwa.com...
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c54ede885283a53989db4@news.midco.net...
http://sheldman.blogspot.com/2005/01/i-would-like-to-believe-that-
somebody.html
or http://tinyurl.com/4u2wl
...quote...
"Justice Thomas expressly believes that "a judge should be evaluated
by
whether he faithfully upholds his oath to God, not to the people, to
the
state or to the Constitution"?"
Clarence "Uncle" Thomas pandering to the RRR? Who knew?
It must be great being a liberal; you can be an overt racist and not have
to
answer for it either politically or personally. Hypocrite.
All the racist conservative Democrats became Republicans. They
were the racists, as are the controllers of your Party.
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that did
not allow black women in.
Okay, now I'm with you. Joining a frat or sorority should disqualify
you from holding public office. Repaet after me: "Frat rats suck!"
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18 Jan 2005 09:01:31 AM |
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Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' ) wrote:
< snip >
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that did
not allow black women in.
And that makes her a racist? How many unsegregated sororities did the U
of W even have 40 years ago? Was she a big supporter of segregation?
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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18 Jan 2005 12:51:19 PM |
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Tukla Ratte wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' ) wrote:
< snip >
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that did
not allow black women in.
And that makes her a racist?
Keeping in mind that Republicans are being called racist for just being
Republicans.
How many unsegregated sororities did the U
of W even have 40 years ago? Was she a big supporter of segregation?
She wasn't outspoken against the practise. This was the late 60s, a time
when people might've considered taking positions on these sorts of
issues.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
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24 Jan 2005 10:58:08 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting loud'' )" wrote:
Tukla Ratte wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' ) wrote:
< snip >
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that did
not allow black women in.
And that makes her a racist?
Keeping in mind that Republicans are being called racist for just being
Republicans.
How many unsegregated sororities did the U
of W even have 40 years ago? Was she a big supporter of segregation?
She wasn't outspoken against the practise. This was the late 60s, a time
when people might've considered taking positions on these sorts of
issues.
Let me get this straight, because she wasn't an anti-discrimination
activist 40 years ago, when she was a college undergraduate,
she's a racist now, despite her record on the issues since then.
Is that a pretty good summary of what you're saying?
Best, Marc
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24 Jan 2005 05:06:55 PM |
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Marc Satterwhite wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting loud'' )" wrote:
Tukla Ratte wrote:
Bill Bonde ( ''The chamber was in confusion, all the voices shouting
loud'' ) wrote:
< snip >
The new Democrat governor of Washington state was in a sorority that did
not allow black women in.
And that makes her a racist?
Keeping in mind that Republicans are being called racist for just being
Republicans.
How many unsegregated sororities did the U
of W even have 40 years ago? Was she a big supporter of segregation?
She wasn't outspoken against the practise. This was the late 60s, a time
when people might've considered taking positions on these sorts of
issues.
Let me get this straight, because she wasn't an anti-discrimination
activist 40 years ago, when she was a college undergraduate,
she's a racist now, despite her record on the issues since then.
It isn't like she wasn't involved in keeping blacks out of segregated
institutions, she was part of the leadership.
Is that a pretty good summary of what you're saying?
This seems to be what is used against people who are Republicans who
happened to have been similarly involved and even have more of an
excuses such as living and coming from the South. Of course, if you are
a Democrat now, you can even be excused from your former KKK activities.
--
When will you see that leaving people in desperation only breeds
feelings of despondent disillusionment that bring about acts like 9/11?
It's one thing when we can't act, for example in some heart of darkness
like the Congo, but it's another when we can act but just don't. It's
time for all the free peoples of the world to stand up and say that
governments which behave similarly to the one Saddam ran in Iraq for
decades are simply unacceptable.
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