Religions > Atheism > Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?"
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14 Mar 2007 10:09:33 AM |
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Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-the-hell-were-you-in-the-vietnam-war/
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| User: "Geoff" |
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14 Mar 2007 11:19:09 AM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:V5OdnR1Xsue4jWXYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
And (unfortunately for Max, the troops, and the American taxpayers) four
years too late.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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15 Mar 2007 12:36:06 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
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This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
And (unfortunately for Max, the troops, and the American taxpayers) four
years too late.
Unfortunately, that is very true.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Mar 2007 12:18:57 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in news:DsydnYWs-
PzjvWXYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@giganews.com:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:V5OdnR1Xsue4jWXYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
And (unfortunately for Max, the troops, and the American taxpayers) four
years too late.
oooh, how effective! Admits right off the bat that he has exactly *NO*
ground to stand on by starting out with the old Chickenhawk slur, and goes
downhill from there.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq, where
there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to protect
them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular imagination."
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| User: "Ghod" |
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14 Mar 2007 04:03:20 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F38815B2BBfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in news:DsydnYWs-
PzjvWXYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@giganews.com:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:V5OdnR1Xsue4jWXYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
And (unfortunately for Max, the troops, and the American
taxpayers) four
years too late.
oooh, how effective! Admits right off the bat that he has exactly
*NO*
ground to stand on by starting out with the old Chickenhawk slur,
and goes
downhill from there.
Aren't you another chickenhawk, *****? Is that why you're trying to
dilute the term?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Mar 2007 05:02:51 PM |
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"Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net> wrote in news:et9nuo$ufs$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F38815B2BBfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in news:DsydnYWs-
PzjvWXYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@giganews.com:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:V5OdnR1Xsue4jWXYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
And (unfortunately for Max, the troops, and the American
taxpayers) four
years too late.
oooh, how effective! Admits right off the bat that he has exactly
*NO*
ground to stand on by starting out with the old Chickenhawk slur,
and goes
downhill from there.
Aren't you another chickenhawk, *****? Is that why you're trying to
dilute the term?
Oh, look, another jackass hypocrite. What a surprise!
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| User: "Geoff" |
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14 Mar 2007 12:44:07 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F38815B2BBfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in news:DsydnYWs-
PzjvWXYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@giganews.com:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:V5OdnR1Xsue4jWXYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
And (unfortunately for Max, the troops, and the American taxpayers) four
years too late.
oooh, how effective! Admits right off the bat that he has exactly *NO*
ground to stand on by starting out with the old Chickenhawk slur, and goes
downhill from there.
How can it be a slur when it's true? How do his cogent points go "downhill
from there" ?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
14 Mar 2007 04:42:19 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:N5Cdnbg5gfv0qWXYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@giganews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F38815B2BBfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in news:DsydnYWs-
PzjvWXYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@giganews.com:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:V5OdnR1Xsue4jWXYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
And (unfortunately for Max, the troops, and the American taxpayers)
four years too late.
oooh, how effective! Admits right off the bat that he has exactly
*NO* ground to stand on by starting out with the old Chickenhawk
slur, and goes downhill from there.
How can it be a slur when it's true? How do his cogent points go
"downhill from there" ?
How can it be true when it's based on a false assumption?
The First Amendment doesn't say "Freedom of Speech if you served in
Vietnam".
This country is founded on the principles of *civilian* leadership and
*civilian* control of the military. We aren't run by a military junta.
There is no military service requirement to run for office, and there is
certainly no military service requirement to hold an opinion.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
14 Mar 2007 07:02:59 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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How can it be a slur when it's true? How do his cogent points go
"downhill from there" ?
How can it be true when it's based on a false assumption?
The First Amendment doesn't say "Freedom of Speech if you served in
Vietnam".
This country is founded on the principles of *civilian* leadership and
*civilian* control of the military. We aren't run by a military junta.
There is no military service requirement to run for office, and there is
certainly no military service requirement to hold an opinion.
Oh, sure. But can't you understand the frustration of a man who was
paralyzed in the service of his country, a man who was a decorated
battlefield leader being lectured on military strategy by someone that
avoided the same calling, a man who's own patriotism was questioned during a
sleaze campaign?
Cheney is a broken record always conflating Iraq and al-Qaeda. Cleland calls
him on it.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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15 Mar 2007 08:35:41 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:X5ednTpoV9urEGXYnZ2dnUVZ_qOpnZ2d@giganews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F3B4BCCF3BAfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
How can it be a slur when it's true? How do his cogent points go
"downhill from there" ?
How can it be true when it's based on a false assumption?
The First Amendment doesn't say "Freedom of Speech if you served in
Vietnam".
This country is founded on the principles of *civilian* leadership
and *civilian* control of the military. We aren't run by a military
junta. There is no military service requirement to run for office,
and there is certainly no military service requirement to hold an
opinion.
Oh, sure. But can't you understand the frustration of a man who was
paralyzed in the service of his country, a man who was a decorated
battlefield leader being lectured on military strategy by someone that
avoided the same calling, a man who's own patriotism was questioned
during a sleaze campaign?
None of that is relevant to anything. It's just a personal attack on
***** "Boogeyman" Cheney.
Cheney is a broken record always conflating Iraq and al-Qaeda. Cleland
calls him on it.
That isn't relevant either. Cleland said nothing of substance, he just
pushed all the buttons for all his leftwing pals.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
14 Mar 2007 02:24:44 PM |
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On Mar 14, 1:44 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
How can it be a slur when it's true? How do his cogent points go "downhill
from there" ?
Because it disagrees with Fred's delusion.
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Mar 2007 01:05:58 AM |
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In article <V5OdnR1Xsue4jWXYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-the-hell-were
-you-in-the-vietnam-war/
Woohoo! Cleland for President! He really tore them both new ones.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
15 Mar 2007 08:38:37 PM |
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johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:jhachmann-3D3C5A.23055814032007@news.giganews.com:
In article <V5OdnR1Xsue4jWXYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-the-h
ell-were -you-in-the-vietnam-war/
Woohoo! Cleland for President! He really tore them both new ones.
Empty bluster, signifying nothing.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq, where
there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to protect
them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular imagination."
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| User: "tirebiter" |
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14 Mar 2007 02:44:57 PM |
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On Mar 14, 10:09 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-the-...
I would like to see the dems counter the argument that a deadline lets
the enemy wait us out, for the defeatist point of view that it is.
They're admitting that they have no plan for victory and that victory
isn't even possible with the current course of action. The best we
can accomplish is to be on the ground and slow down the inevitable
shift of control over to the insurgents. Most of which are Iraqi
citizens.
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a.a. #2273
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Mar 2007 04:53:23 PM |
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"tirebiter" <dontspamme666@bigfoot.com> wrote in
news:1173901497.951819.320780@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 14, 10:09 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-
the-...
I would like to see the dems counter the argument that a deadline lets
the enemy wait us out, for the defeatist point of view that it is.
They're admitting that they have no plan for victory and that victory
isn't even possible with the current course of action.
That simply is not true. In fact it is the exact opposite of what will
happen.
A deadline would mean that the "insurgents" would have nothing to lose
by waiting and avoiding our offensives. Any ground we might take, they
could take back as soon as our deadline passed and we left.
Unless we set the "deadline" far enough into the future that the free
Iraqis on the ground there would be able to count on us to be there
while they rebuild their defenses, but that would be way too far into
the future for your impatient defeatist Democrats. President wannabee
Hillary wants us outta there before she takes office (as if!).
On the other hand, without such an artificial endpoint, we can take
territory from the *terrorists* and hold it, and they cannot know that
they'll be able to take it back at a certain time in the future. Once we
take a city away from them, the people who live there will enjoy their
freedom under our protection, and those free Iraqis will put up their
own defenses which will make it much harder for the *terrorists* to move
back in. And *that* will enable us to move out in due time. But that
time frame is longer than the "deadlines" that your deafeatist Democrats
want to set.
The best we
can accomplish is to be on the ground and slow down the inevitable
shift of control over to the insurgents. Most of which are Iraqi
citizens.
It's not inevitable. There are far more Iraqi civilians who are *not*
insurgents.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| Title: Re: Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
15 Mar 2007 07:46:54 AM |
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On Mar 14, 5:53 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
I would like to see the dems counter the argument that a deadline lets
the enemy wait us out, for the defeatist point of view that it is.
They're admitting that they have no plan for victory and that victory
isn't even possible with the current course of action.
That simply is not true. In fact it is the exact opposite of what will
happen.
That's why violence has increased north and west of "the surge" ground
zero. Brilliant strategy.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
14 Mar 2007 07:06:22 PM |
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"tirebiter" <dontspamme666@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1173901497.951819.320780@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 14, 10:09 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-the-...
I would like to see the dems counter the argument that a deadline lets
the enemy wait us out, for the defeatist point of view that it is.
I would like to see a con explain to me why the insurgents, if they're so
eager to take the war to America, don't just go underground for six months
and wait until Bush declares victory...again.
They're admitting that they have no plan for victory and that victory
isn't even possible with the current course of action. The best we
can accomplish is to be on the ground and slow down the inevitable
shift of control over to the insurgents. Most of which are Iraqi
citizens.
Try reading further:
Pelosi: "It is a disservice to our military personnel for President Bush and
Vice President Cheney to continue to advocate for an open-ended commitment
in Iraq, while brushing aside the advice of military leaders and the
bipartisan Iraq Study Group, all of whom argue that the war in Iraq cannot
be resolved militarily but only through diplomatic, economic and political
means."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
15 Mar 2007 08:37:58 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:QZSdnSYChvacE2XYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@giganews.com:
"tirebiter" <dontspamme666@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1173901497.951819.320780@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 14, 10:09 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-
the-
...
I would like to see the dems counter the argument that a deadline
lets the enemy wait us out, for the defeatist point of view that it
is.
I would like to see a con explain to me why the insurgents, if they're
so eager to take the war to America, don't just go underground for six
months and wait until Bush declares victory...again.
They're admitting that they have no plan for victory and that victory
isn't even possible with the current course of action. The best we
can accomplish is to be on the ground and slow down the inevitable
shift of control over to the insurgents. Most of which are Iraqi
citizens.
Try reading further:
Pelosi: "It is a disservice to our military personnel for President
Bush and Vice President Cheney to continue to advocate for an
open-ended commitment in Iraq, while brushing aside the advice of
military leaders and the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, all of whom
argue that the war in Iraq cannot be resolved militarily but only
through diplomatic, economic and political means."
Geoff, did you read my answer to that argument? The military action is
required to *enable* those diplomatic, economic and political means to
succeed. Without the military action, the only thing you get from the
others is foot-dragging while the enemy exploits our absense.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| User: "t1gercat" |
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| Title: Re: Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
14 Mar 2007 04:22:13 PM |
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On Mar 14, 3:44 pm, "tirebiter" <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On Mar 14, 10:09 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-the-...
I would like to see the dems counter the argument that a deadline lets
the enemy wait us out, for the defeatist point of view that it is.
Which enemy??? Most of the fighting is between and among Islamist
groups. The US military is a sideshow. The fanatics who are there to
kill us might just lose their momentum if we announced a timetable for
withdrawl. Why blow yourself up when the infidel is getting ready to
leave? Why go to the trouble and danger of assembling an IED if the
GIs are packing up?
They're admitting that they have no plan for victory and that victory
isn't even possible with the current course of action.
The administration hasn't the slightest idea of what it can do to
achieve "victory" (whatever that means), and our current course of
action certainly won't do it.
The best we
can accomplish is to be on the ground and slow down the inevitable
shift of control over to the insurgents. Most of which are Iraqi
citizens.
Maybe if we do pack up, the Iraq government will begin to step up and
take control. Right now, only a portion of the Capital is under
governmental control. Their record has been miserable. Maybe they'll
get less miserable if they don't have us as a crutch.
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14 Mar 2007 05:28:53 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:09:33 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-the-hell-were-you-in-the-vietnam-war/
Where was Botox?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Mogons" |
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| Title: Re: Cleland to Cheney: Where the hell were you in the Vietnam War?" |
14 Mar 2007 05:52:11 PM |
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On Mar 14, 3:28 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:09:33 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net>
wrote:
This is glorious. He reams Cheney soooo royally
and so beautifully. And, then he tears into Shrub.
Fantastic!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/12/cleland-to-cheney-where-the-...
Where was Botox?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Botox wasn't invented yet. WTF does that have to do with whether or
not Cheney served in Vietnam?
Mogons
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