<letourd@nospam.net> wrote in message news:pwmli.6308$nQ4.4611@trndny01...

The Vietnam war started under Ike, you morons. Its a fact of history now
and all you do is prove how stupid you are by lying and trying to claim
otherwise.

You are the idiot...the thread is not about who "started" the war, but when
the first combat troops were sent in.
(Hint: there were no combat troops in Viet Nam until a democrat took
office).


Come back when you sober up...

Honu

In <tlhli.6175$rR.4751@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, on 07/12/2007
at 03:36 AM, Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> said:

In article <r2fli.21408$RX.9087@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
thinhthi@pacbell.net mumbled

<letour@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:86eli.7759$V35.5208@trndny03...

Funny how its wrong to lie about a *****, but okay to kill hunderds
of
thousands of innocents based on lies, with you right wing kooks.

PS: Tell us what you think of nixon for giving the commies the green
light to take all of SEA, if they would just wait for his reelection.
It
also does not amtter to you idiots that 59,000 died for that give a
way.

Your facts are slightly off. Democrats got us into Vietnam and Nixon
got us
out. If you want to blame anyone then blame LBJ for the fictiitious
Gulf of
Tonkin Incident.

They don't want to face that little truth.
it might drive the left mad....

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:43:22 -1000, in alt.atheism , "Hertz Dount"
<somewhere@outhere.com> in
<jZKdnUKAVIv8PgjbnZ2dnUVZ_tWhnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

"Eris" <vithant@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184207148.989094.289840@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

[snip]

Eisenhower committed troops to vietnam

Eisenhower committed advisors to Vietnam.

Who fought in combat.

Stop lying right winger. The Vietnam war started under Ike.

In <jZKdnUKAVIv8PgjbnZ2dnUVZ_tWhnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>, on 07/11/2007
at 05:43 PM, "Hertz Dount" <somewhere@outhere.com> said:

"Eris" <vithant@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184207148.989094.289840@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 11,
9:00 pm, "The Cunning Linguist" <thinh...@pacbell.net> > wrote:

<let...@nospam.net> wrote in
messagenews:86eli.7759$V35.5208@trndny03...

Funny how its wrong to lie about a *****, but okay to kill
hunderds
of
thousands of innocents based on lies, with you right wing kooks.

PS: Tell us what you think of nixon for giving the commies the green
light to take all of SEA, if they would just wait for his reelection.
It
also does not amtter to you idiots that 59,000 died for that give a
way.

Your facts are slightly off. Democrats got us into Vietnam and Nixon
got
us
out. If you want to blame anyone then blame LBJ for the fictiitious
Gulf
of
Tonkin Incident.

n <139a1ardf45h...@corp.supernews.com>, on 07/11/2007
at 11:31 AM, "Ric Trexell" <rictrex...@vbe.com> said:

"Eris" <vith...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184121859.096419.35870@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > The
religious right, backed into a corner after revealing they are a >
bunch
of lunatics, has trotted out the old CLINTON LIED mantra.

Eisenhower committed troops to vietnam

Eisenhower committed advisors to Vietnam.

Johnson was the one who first authorized comabet troops in Viet Nam

1956
Fighting begins between the North and the South.

July 8, 1959
The first American combat deaths in Vietnam occur when Viet Cong attack
Bien Hoa billets; two servicemen are killed.

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1960
The National Liberation Front (NLF)--called the Viet Cong--is founded in
South Vietnam.

February, 1961
The U.S. military buildup in Vietnam begins with combat advisors.
President John F. Kennedy declares that they will respond if fired upon.

June 16, 1963
A Buddhist monk immolates himself in Saigon. Buddhist demonstrations
occurred from May through August.

June 20, 1964
General William Westmoreland succeeds General Paul Harkins as head of the
U.S. forces (MACV) in Vietnam.

November 1, 1963
South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem is assassinated.

May 4, 1964
Trade embargo imposed on North Vietnam in response to attacks from the
North on South Vietnam.

August 2 and 4, 1964
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident. North Vietnamese torpedo boats attacked the
U.S. destroyer Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin. A second attack allegedly
occurs on August 4.

In November, 2005, the National Security Agency (NSA) released
"previously classified information regarding the Vietnam era,
specifically the Gulf of Tonkin incident. This release includes a
variety of articles, chronologies of events, oral history interviews,
signals intelligence (SIGINT) reports and translations, and other
related memoranda."
URL: http://www.nsa.gov/vietnam/
LII Item: http://lii.org/cs/lii/view/item/19925

August 5, 1964
President Lyndon Johnson asks Congress for a resolution against North
Vietnam following the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Congress debates.

August 7, 1964
Congress approves the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which allows the
president to take any necessary measures to repel further attacks and to
provide military assistance to any South Asia Treaty Organization
(SEATO) member. Senators Wayne L. Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of
Alaska cast the only dissenting votes. President Johnson orders the
bombing of North Vietnam. For additional information, see New Light on
Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara Asks Giap, "What Happened at Tonkin Gulf?", and
30-Year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched the Vietnam War.

March 8-9, 1965
The first American combat troops arrive in Vietnam.

April 6-8, 1965
President Johnson authorizes the use of U.S. ground combat troops for
offensive operations. The next day he offers North Vietnam aid in
exchange for peace. North Vietnam rejects the offer.

April 17, 1965
Students for a Democratic Society sponsor the first major anti-war rally
in Washington, D.C.

June, 1965
Generals Nguyen Cao Ky and Nguyen Van Thieu seize the South Vietnamese
government.

October 15-16, 1965
Anti-war protests are held in about 40 American cities.

November 14-16, 1965
The first major military engagement occurs between U.S. and North
Vietnamese forces.

http://www.oakton.edu/user/~wittman/chronol.htm

Maybe next time you'll check the facts before you make an ***** of
yourself, but I doubt it.

Honu

<letourd@nospam.net> wrote in message news:pwmli.6307$nQ4.4885@trndny01...

In <1184207148.989094.289840@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, on 07/11/2007
at 07:25 PM, Eris <vithant@gmail.com> said:

On Jul 11, 9:00 pm, "The Cunning Linguist" <thinh...@pacbell.net> wrote:

<let...@nospam.net> wrote in messagenews:86eli.7759$V35.5208@trndny03...

Funny how its wrong to lie about a *****, but okay to kill hunderds
of
thousands of innocents based on lies, with you right wing kooks.

PS: Tell us what you think of nixon for giving the commies the green
light to take all of SEA, if they would just wait for his reelection.
It
also does not amtter to you idiots that 59,000 died for that give a
way.

Your facts are slightly off. Democrats got us into Vietnam and Nixon
got us
out. If you want to blame anyone then blame LBJ for the fictiitious
Gulf of
Tonkin Incident.

n <139a1ardf45h...@corp.supernews.com>, on 07/11/2007
at 11:31 AM, "Ric Trexell" <rictrex...@vbe.com> said:

"Eris" <vith...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184121859.096419.35870@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > The
religious right, backed into a corner after revealing they are a >
bunch
of lunatics, has trotted out the old CLINTON LIED mantra.
****************************************************************************
**
Monica saved Bill Clinton from facing being kicked out of office. The
impeachment cry did not start with his BJ from Monica. The John Birch
Society started a call for impeachment to look into charges that he
(Pres. Clinton) had allowed satelitte technology and missle tracking
technology to be sold to China. When it was starting to take hold,
the
Monica thing came up and the people now had a sex issue they were
really
interested in. The interest seen there was taken up by the
Republican's
to get him out of office. They didn't care about the treasonous
selling
of technology that would allow missles to be targeted at Taiwan or
Japan.
Later the Chinese were shooting missles towards Taiwan to scare them.
If
you go back and look at The New American magazine, you will see that
the
JBS had stories in their magazine about this long before the Monica
thing
happened. People were already putting up billboards and placing
bumper
stickers on their cars calling for impeachment. So actually, the
Monica
L. deal help save Pres. Clinton. Ric in Wisconsin.

Eisenhower committed troops to vietnam

Yes. But the right wing kooks here think their lying will change the facts
of history.

While the democrats just make history up as they go along.

When was the last time a democrat told the truth?

On Jul 12, 9:11 pm, Tankfixer <paul.carr...@us.army.m> wrote:

In article <1184207148.989094.289...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
vith...@gmail.com mumbled

On Jul 11, 9:00 pm, "The Cunning Linguist" <thinh...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

<let...@nospam.net> wrote in messagenews:86eli.7759$V35.5208@trndny03...

Funny how its wrong to lie about a *****, but okay to kill hunderds of
thousands of innocents based on lies, with you right wing kooks.

PS: Tell us what you think of nixon for giving the commies the green
light to take all of SEA, if they would just wait for his reelection. It
also does not amtter to you idiots that 59,000 died for that give a way.

Your facts are slightly off. Democrats got us into Vietnam and Nixon got us
out. If you want to blame anyone then blame LBJ for the fictiitious Gulf of
Tonkin Incident.

n <139a1ardf45h...@corp.supernews.com>, on 07/11/2007
at 11:31 AM, "Ric Trexell" <rictrex...@vbe.com> said:

"Eris" <vith...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184121859.096419.35870@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > The
religious right, backed into a corner after revealing they are a > bunch
of lunatics, has trotted out the old CLINTON LIED mantra.
****************************************************************************
**
Monica saved Bill Clinton from facing being kicked out of office. The
impeachment cry did not start with his BJ from Monica. The John Birch
Society started a call for impeachment to look into charges that he
(Pres. Clinton) had allowed satelitte technology and missle tracking
technology to be sold to China. When it was starting to take hold, the
Monica thing came up and the people now had a sex issue they were really
interested in. The interest seen there was taken up by the Republican's
to get him out of office. They didn't care about the treasonous selling
of technology that would allow missles to be targeted at Taiwan or Japan.
Later the Chinese were shooting missles towards Taiwan to scare them. If
you go back and look at The New American magazine, you will see that the
JBS had stories in their magazine about this long before the Monica thing
happened. People were already putting up billboards and placing bumper
stickers on their cars calling for impeachment. So actually, the Monica
L. deal help save Pres. Clinton. Ric in Wisconsin.

Eisenhower committed troops to vietnam

Err,
Try Truman.

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diet of static text and
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