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Date:	21 Oct 2007 05:00:27 AM
Object:	Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DougGiles/2007/10/20/how_to_shut_up_an_atheist_if_you_must
SOAT: The Emperor is not only stark naked, he is suffering from
hypothermia.
How to Shut Up an Atheist if You Must
By Doug Giles
Saturday, October 20, 2007
Send an email to Doug Giles
Read Article & Comments (89) Trackbacks Post Your Comments
The atheist’s days of running circles around the Christian with their
darling questions are drawing to a close. Yes, the fat lady just
wrenched herself off her humongous backside, has cleared her throat
and now is fixin’ to sing the finale on the atheist’s ability to have
fun with their specious little fairy tales at the Christians’ expense.
That is if the Christian will buy, devour, commit to memory and stand
up and challenge the pouty anti-God cabal with the atheist-slaying
facts found in two new books from Regnery namely, What’s So Great
about Christianity and The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Bible.
Authors Dinesh D’Souza and Robert Hutchinson skillfully answer, once
again, the atheist’s pet questions about the existence (or
non-existence) of God and how Christianity has allegedly made the
world suck. Suck, for you thick atheists, is a slang word which means
to make or to be really, really crappy (kind of like how our culture
becomes anytime you guys mess with it).
These books will be especially beneficial for high school and college
students to draw upon when their secular anti-God fuming delirious
instructors start railing against God and Christianity.
For instance:
1. When the prissy anti-Christs tell you the Bible stands in the way
of science, inform them that the greatest scientific geniuses in
history were devout Christians—and scientists from Newton to Einstein
insisted that biblical religion provided the key ideas from which
experimental science could develop.
2. When the pissy God haters tell you the Bible condones slavery, you
can remind them that slavery was abolished only when devout
Christians, inspired by the Bible, launched a campaign in the early
1800s to abolish the slave trade.
3. When the screechin’ teachers tell you the Bible has been proven
false by archaeology, hark back and show them that each year a new
archaeological discovery substantiates the existence of people, places
and events we once knew solely from biblical sources, including the
discovery of the Moabite stone in 1868, which mentions numerous places
in the Bible, and the discovery of an inscription in 1961 that proves
the existence of the biblical figure Pontius Pilate, just to name a
few.
4. When they get sweaty and tell you that the Bible breeds
intolerance, refresh their memory with the fact that only those
societies influenced by biblical teachings (in North and South
America, Europe, and Australia) today guarantee freedom of speech and
religion. Period.
5. When one of them queues up and quips that the Bible opposes
freedom, smack ‘em with the fact that the Bible’s insistence that no
one is above the law and all must answer to divine justice led to
theories of universal human rights and…uh…limited government.
6. When they tell you that Christianity and the Bible justify war and
genocide, unsympathetically remind them that societies which rejected
biblical morality in favor of a more “rational” and “scientific”
approach to politics murdered millions upon millions more than the
Crusades or the Inquisition ever did. Hello. “Atheist regimes have
caused the greatest mass murders in history,” says D’Souza. Inside
D’Souza’s book you’ll find little gems like, “The Crusades, the
Inquisition, the Galileo affair, and witch hunts together make up less
than 1% of the murders that have occurred during modern atheist
regimes like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao.”
This is just a smattering of the various 411 fun the Christian is
going to get as they plow through What’s So Great about Christianity
and The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Bible.
Senior pastor, college pastor and youth pastor: do yourself and your
congregants a favor and teach this stuff to your church. Equip
Christians to stand against the BS (belief system) of the atheists.
The culture war is heating up, therefore make sure your people don’t
stand intellectually naked and neutered before these no-God numb nuts.
Lastly, comfortable and cocky atheists, you had better brace
yourselves. Hundreds of thousands of Christians and authors are about
to read these books and, as stated, systematically dismember your old
and haggard arguments.
In addition, everywhere I go and speak—be it in conferences, on the
radio, on television or in print—I’m going to encourage the tens of
thousands of Christians I address that every time and everywhere they
get crapped on by an atheist with unfounded arguments to open their
mouths and slam dance them with facts found in these two new brilliant
books from Regnery.
.

User: "Lee me@localhost"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	21 Oct 2007 08:51:46 AM

"Sound of Atheist Trumpet" <soat@secular.com> wrote in message
news:t18mh314cj63q3va4d674pdmm0te29hg6g@4ax.com...

Then why is the Creation museum so controversial and a laughing stock to
many. Muslims have also jumped on this bandwagon.
Neither like to admit that heresy has never been a healthy condition for
individuals even up to the present day and having a religion was pretty much
mandatory for longevity in many places.

2. When the pissy God haters tell you the Bible condones slavery, you
can remind them that slavery was abolished only when devout
Christians, inspired by the Bible, launched a campaign in the early
1800s to abolish the slave trade.

After 400 years of lining their pockets from the proceeds.

3. When the screechin' teachers tell you the Bible has been proven
false by archaeology, hark back and show them that each year a new
archaeological discovery substantiates the existence of people, places
and events we once knew solely from biblical sources, including the
discovery of the Moabite stone in 1868, which mentions numerous places
in the Bible, and the discovery of an inscription in 1961 that proves
the existence of the biblical figure Pontius Pilate, just to name a
few.

Archeological finds tend to be cherry picked, for example the gospel of
Judas rediscovered in 1983 does not seem to excite much enthusiasm or
discussion amongst Christians.

4. When they get sweaty and tell you that the Bible breeds
intolerance, refresh their memory with the fact that only those
societies influenced by biblical teachings (in North and South
America, Europe, and Australia) today guarantee freedom of speech and
religion. Period.

Like the Divine right of Kings was free speech, many European countries had
revolutions and civil wars to establish parlimentary systems that were not
ruled by a monarch and the church but by representitives of the people.

5. When one of them queues up and quips that the Bible opposes
freedom, smack 'em with the fact that the Bible's insistence that no
one is above the law and all must answer to divine justice led to
theories of universal human rights and.uh.limited government.

Convincing people that they will burn in a mythical lake of fire for all
eternity opposes many freedoms including the freedom to die in peace.

6. When they tell you that Christianity and the Bible justify war and
genocide, unsympathetically remind them that societies which rejected
biblical morality in favor of a more "rational" and "scientific"
approach to politics murdered millions upon millions more than the
Crusades or the Inquisition ever did. Hello. "Atheist regimes have
caused the greatest mass murders in history," says D'Souza. Inside
D'Souza's book you'll find little gems like, "The Crusades, the
Inquisition, the Galileo affair, and witch hunts together make up less
than 1% of the murders that have occurred during modern atheist
regimes like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao."

Presumably the people of the time were lucky that the crusaders or
inquisitors did not have modern weapon technology and transport systems.

This is just a smattering of the various 411 fun the Christian is
going to get as they plow through What's So Great about Christianity
and The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Bible.

Senior pastor, college pastor and youth pastor: do yourself and your
congregants a favor and teach this stuff to your church. Equip
Christians to stand against the BS (belief system) of the atheists.
The culture war is heating up, therefore make sure your people don't
stand intellectually naked and neutered before these no-God numb nuts.

Lastly, comfortable and cocky atheists, you had better brace
yourselves. Hundreds of thousands of Christians and authors are about
to read these books and, as stated, systematically dismember your old
and haggard arguments.

In addition, everywhere I go and speak-be it in conferences, on the
radio, on television or in print-I'm going to encourage the tens of
thousands of Christians I address that every time and everywhere they
get crapped on by an atheist with unfounded arguments to open their
mouths and slam dance them with facts found in these two new brilliant
books from Regnery.

User: "Greywolf"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	21 Oct 2007 07:41:44 AM

"Sound of Atheist Trumpet" <soat@secular.com> wrote in message
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Would that be those devout Christians who despite all their scientific
brilliance were unable to prove deity -- in *any* form -- exists at all? You
know, those brilliant scientific minds who, with all their pious energy,
have, in fact, help 'prove' that there *isn't* a 'God' by the sheer fact
that all these brilliant minds (and I'm being serious here) have turned up
absolutely nothing to 'scientifically' substantiate that he does.
Being a religious scientist only demonstrates that *that* individual has an
emotional and/or psychological need to believe believe there is something
other than just the laws of 'science' operating in the universe. Could be
Zeus and the rest of the Greek gods running the cosmos. Or do you think
they're the 'Roman' ones? Funny thing about that 'God'. If he existed, you'd
think at least *one* devoutly religious and pious scientist would have
discovered scientific proof of his 'Lord's' existence. Yet it remains a
scientific 'fact' not a one of them has.
I think it's time you take your pious smugness out for a walk. It's
beginning to stink up the newsgroup.

Was that *before* or *after* Saul of Tarsus declared that slaves should
*remain* slaves shortly after that great Anti-Slave Messiah, Jesus of
Nazareth, was crucified?

*Really*? Well what do you make of this:
http://www.archaeology.org/0403/etc/letter.html
(And *believe* me, there *are* other archeologically-related 'problems' with
'scripture'.) Hey dude, your huffing and bluffing might work on
un-critically thinking Christians out there in Jesus land, but not here.)

I could go on a tirade here. But I'll just leave it at this: Jesus taught
that you should love your enemies, love your neighbors, and treat others as
you yourself would like to be treated. But right-wing evangelical Christians
have twisted his gospel 'message' to mean that you should only love
*Christians* and not the unbeliever; that you should treat the Chistian
*only* in the manner you yourself would like to be treated. The religious
right-winger shows only scorn and contempt for those who see no reason to
believe in the absurd and preposterous. And guess what else? You wouldn't
*dare* challenge an atheist with a strong knowledge of things biblical to a
theological/bible-related debate on YouTube or some other video programming
because you *know*, you absolutely *know* you'd have your theological *****
handed to you on a silver platter for being so damn stupid. So cut out the
posturing and the blustering.

Does the bible preach that each and every human being has the freedom *not*
to believe in a 'God' and *not* be severely punished for simply not
believing in something no human being has *ever* proven conclusively to
exist?

6. When they tell you that Christianity and the Bible justify war and
genocide, unsympathetically remind them that societies which rejected
biblical morality

Before moving on here, let's set the record straight: The Jewish/Christian
'God' murdered every single infant baby, toddler, and pregnant woman on
planet earth. He then followed this up by ordering the wholesale slaughter
of entire peoples. And why? Because he chose not to 'clear' the land he
promised to his 'chosen people' of the *people* already living there ahead
of time. So what does Mr. Morality *do* about it? Why he didn't 'wiggle' his
nose and supernaturally transport those people to a different region of the
planet. No. That would be too 'merciful'. Instead he ordered his chosen
people to slaughter the inhabitants by the tens of thousands in order to
receive the 'gift' he promised them.
Should I get down on my knees right now and bow in awe to just how
righteous, noble and, most of all, 'MORAL' the Jewish-Christian make-believe
'God' you all worship and adore is, or should I do that a little later?
Okay, let's move on to just how *immoral* mere man can be:
in favor of a more "rational" and "scientific"

approach to politics murdered millions upon millions more than the
Crusades or the Inquisition ever did. Hello.

Did someone say, 'Hello'? Why I just wonder what varient of carpet-bombing
and chemical warfare the ancients would have used to slaughter their
opponents in the name of Jesus, God, Allah, La La, and Ma Ma (The last two
are 'Gods' too, aren't they? They're not? Well if they were you could bet
your booty that the 'La La's would be just a killin' the Ma Ma's *and the
Christians and Jews on the most massive scale imaginable -- if they had the
mind-set of the religious-right mind set of Christians, Muslims, and Jews.)
had they had the type of weapons now in the possession of modern man?
"Atheist regimes have

caused the greatest mass murders in history," says D'Souza. Inside
D'Souza's book you'll find little gems like, "The Crusades, the
Inquisition, the Galileo affair, and witch hunts together make up less
than 1% of the murders that have occurred during modern atheist
regimes like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao."

Don't you people *ever* get tired of puking that stale old bile all over
alt.atheism? C'mon. We've had enough of it. Haven't you read even *one*
refutation of that thoroughly refuted claim?
And hey, you Jesus junkie, you! You cry about the death caused by atheists
but what atheist ever killed human beings on the scale of the 'God believer'
solely because their victims refused to turn atheist? And let's talk about
'death' itself for a moment.
Who in the Hell 'Intelligently Designed' and malevolenty *created* Death in
the first place according to the origianal copies of the 'books' that make
up 'Scripture' that your 'God' failed to preserve for posterity? Why that
wouldn't be *God*, would it?
Now go ahead and claim that true atheists were responsible for more death
and destruction than the Christian, the Muslim, and the Jewish 'God' of
'Holy Books' fame and notoriety. Go ahead Mr. I'm So Damn Pompous and
Religiously Smug *and* Sanctimonious My Brain Automatically Turns 'HOLY'
Just Thinking About My Pious Self', go and tell us how 'Loving' your
wonderful make-believe 'God' is in that intellectually and morally superior
tone of yours.

Hey no need for the faithful to pull out their Thomas Aquinas, their Rudolph
Bultmann, their Raymond E. Brown, their Reinhold Niebuhr, their Alfred
Ederheim, their F. F. Bruce, their E. P. Sanders, their F. C. Baur, their R.
H. Gundry, their J. B. Lightfoot, their N. T. Wright, their Origin, their
Epiphanius, their Clement of Alexandria, their Bruce M. Metzger, their J. M.
Robinson, their Louis Fitzmeyer, their David Friedrich Strauss, their Leon
Morris, their John Calvin, their Millar Burrows, their Martin Dibelius,
their Ireneaus, their Eusebius, their Philo of Alexandria, their Flavius
Josephus, their Porphyry, their Papias, their Justin Martyr, their, Vincent
Taylor, their A. H. McNeile, their Shirley Jackson Case, their Gleason L.
Archer, their Josh McDowell, their Norman Geisler, their R. C. Sproul, Sr.
*and* Jr., their Stong's Concordence, their Textus Receptus, their copy of
the Septuagint, their Gospel of Thomas, their Dead Sea Scroll material!
And do you want to know why *not*? Because 99.5% of your so-called
'congregants' have never even bothered to pick up and read the freakin'
bible it self, *that's* why, Mr. 'I'm So Damned Smart *And* Arrogant That My
Brain Hurts From Being HUGE And So Damn Smart, So Much So That I Have To
Constantly Use Both My Hands to Keep My Massively HUGE Smart Brain From
Tipping Over To One Side Or Another While Walking To And From My MegaChurch
Where I Convince Others To Be *Just* AS Pompous, Just As Arrogant, Just As
Intolerant, Just as Self-Righteous, And Just as Obnoxious as ME!

Lastly, comfortable and cocky atheists, you had better brace
yourselves. Hundreds of thousands of Christians and authors are about
to read these books and, as stated, systematically dismember your old
and haggard arguments.

And just as many 100% phony-baloney, *artificial* 'Christians' like yourself
won't even bother to read them. Think not? Go count the number of your
'congregant' that have *actually* read the bible from cover to cover? And
remind them not to lie out their phony Christian ***** before responding.

In addition, everywhere I go and speak-be it in conferences, on the
radio, on television or in print-I'm going to encourage the tens of
thousands of Christians I address that every time and everywhere they
get crapped on by an atheist with unfounded arguments to open their
mouths and slam dance them with facts found in these two new brilliant
books from Regnery.

Spoken like a *true* artificial Christian.
Greywolf
.

User: "Lokayata"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	21 Oct 2007 09:19:19 PM

On Oct 21, 11:00 pm, Sound of Atheist Trumpet <s...@secular.com>
wrote:

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DougGiles/2007/10/20/how_to_shut_u...

By Doug Giles
Saturday, October 20, 2007
Send an email to Doug Giles

The atheist's days of running circles around the Christian with their
darling questions are drawing to a close. Yes, the fat lady just
wrenched herself off her humongous backside, has cleared her throat
and now is fixin' to sing the finale on the atheist's ability to have
fun with their specious little fairy tales at the Christians' expense.

Other religions are even more dangerous enemies to Christians than
atheists.

That is if the Christian will buy, devour, commit to memory and stand

BUY? You mean this wisdom that can save souls is not being given
freely out of charity? You have to sacrifice at the altar of Mamon to
get a Christian message?

These books will be especially beneficial for high school and college
students to draw upon when their secular anti-God fuming delirious
instructors start railing against God and Christianity.

But not for anyone in higher levels like post-grad or Ph.d?

1. When the prissy anti-Christs tell you the Bible stands in the way
of science, inform them that the greatest scientific geniuses in
history were devout Christians-and scientists from Newton to Einstein
insisted that biblical religion provided the key ideas from which
experimental science could develop.

Yet, oddly enough they are not remembered for their religion but for
their testable 'nothing-to-do-with-god' theories.

That means there is no fixed commandment. You can read anything you
like into the Bible which kind of takes away its divine aura

There is more archaeological proof about Rama, so there!

Remind me --- it was a Christian nation that dropped the only nuclear
bomb still used to date, isn't it?

Ok so law means the Ten Commandments only?

percentage please.

But they will have to buy the book first? How much a cut will you get?
.

User: "Davej"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	21 Oct 2007 09:28:23 AM

On Oct 21, 5:00 am, Sound of Atheist Trumpet <s...@secular.com> wrote:

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DougGiles/2007/10/20/how_to_shut_u...
[...]
By Doug Giles
Saturday, October 20, 2007
[...]
1. When the prissy anti-Christs tell you the Bible stands in the way
of science, inform them that the greatest scientific geniuses in
history were devout Christians-and scientists from Newton to Einstein

Einstein was no Christian, you utter dunce.

Why then did slavery flourish under Christianity for all those prior
years?

3. When the screechin' teachers tell you the Bible has been proven
false by archaeology,

The story of Genesis is in the ash heap. Get used to it.
.

User: "Hatter"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	23 Oct 2007 12:35:23 PM

On Oct 21, 6:00 am, Sound of Atheist Trumpet <s...@secular.com> wrote:

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DougGiles/2007/10/20/how_to_shut_u...

SOAT: The Emperor is not only stark naked, he is suffering from
hypothermia.

How to Shut Up an Atheist if You Must

Duct tape might work, but some really tired old arguments, while
patting yourself for "atheist slaying words" is hardly an answer.
Espcially funny is how the delusional author portrays Atheists as
delusional. While saying all the old oft reapeated lies, from Einstein
was biblical religous to Hitler was an atheist.
Hatter
.

User: "JohnN"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	23 Oct 2007 01:26:13 PM

On Oct 21, 6:00 am, Sound of Atheist Trumpet <s...@secular.com> wrote:

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DougGiles/2007/10/20/how_to_shut_u...

SOAT: The Emperor is not only stark naked, he is suffering from
hypothermia.

How to Shut Up an Atheist if You Must

By Doug Giles
Saturday, October 20, 2007
Send an email to Doug Giles

Read Article & Comments (89) Trackbacks Post Your Comments

Others have cleared most of this crap up, I will dust up a few little
points left behind.

Authors Dinesh D'Souza and Robert Hutchinson skillfully answer, once
again, the atheist's pet questions about the existence (or
non-existence) of God and how Christianity has allegedly made the
world suck. Suck, for you thick atheists, is a slang word which means
to make or to be really, really crappy (kind of like how our culture
becomes anytime you guys mess with it).

Is this what you mean by Athiests have made the world suck? --
In 1787, the USA Constitution was written by what your Christian
scholars, intellects like Churck Norris, claim to be Christians. The
document established the USA and provided for ownership of slaves. In
1866-68 a group of Athiest obviously took control of Congress and the
various States and ratified the 14th Amendment that did away with
slavery. Again in 1919-20 the Athiests put in the 19th Amendment that
gave women the right to vote. To make matters worst, Athiest gave
Negroes the vote in 1965. Both actions in direct violation of the
will of the "Christian" Founders of this country. Actions in direct
violation of the will of the "Christian" Founders of this country.

These books will be especially beneficial for high school and college
students to draw upon when their secular anti-God fuming delirious
instructors start railing against God and Christianity.

For instance:

1. When the prissy anti-Christs tell you the Bible stands in the way
of science, inform them that the greatest scientific geniuses in
history were devout Christians-and scientists from Newton to Einstein
insisted that biblical religion provided the key ideas from which
experimental science could develop.

I have vol 1 of Newton's Principia in my hand. He uses 28 pages to
define all the terms used to describe the motion of the planets. Not
once does he use the God in any of the definitions. Not once does he
use God in any of his mathematics.
If you can grasp for just a second that science is neutral to the
question A God, or any god, then you will begin to appreciate the vast
wonder of our world and the universe.

But slavery is mandated in the Bible and was allowed, enforced,
condonded and propagated in the USA by Christians of many different
sects.

Many works of fiction anme historical peersons, places and things. Is
Peter Pan real because there is archaeological evidence for a
"London"?

The earliest versions of the North Carolina Constitution did not allow
non-Protestants the right to hold public office. Virginia outlawed
Quakers. All the original 13 states outlawed Catholics. Great
Britian outlawed Catholics. France outlawed Protestants. Everyone
outlawed Jews.

There is no mention of democracy or any verse to support the notion of
democracy in the Bible. there is only monarchy. Is the USA an outlaw
nation becasue we do not have a king? Have/are we being punished for
breaking God's law?

So those with the lowest body count are the most moral. I am
heartened to know that my relatives killed in Poland in the 30's were
murdered by moral Christians. Somehow that makes the pain so much
more bearable. I am sure God is please that my family was a good
sacrifice to Him.
JohnN
.

User: "jemcd 1"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	21 Oct 2007 09:22:39 AM

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:00:27 +0100, Sound of Atheist Trumpet
<soat@secular.com> wrote:

By wimpering the same tired old *****

By Doug Giles
Saturday, October 20, 2007
Send an email to Doug Giles

Read Article & Comments (89) Trackbacks Post Your Comments

The atheist’s days of running circles around the Christian with their
darling questions are drawing to a close.

Let's hope so, as the religious fantasy fades into history.

Yes, the fat lady just
wrenched herself off her humongous backside, has cleared her throat
and now is fixin’ to sing the finale on the atheist’s ability to have
fun with their specious little fairy tales at the Christians’ expense.

Speaking of specious fairy tales, have you read the bible lately?

That is if the Christian will buy, devour, commit to memory and stand
up and challenge the pouty anti-God cabal with the atheist-slaying
facts found in two new books from Regnery namely, What’s So Great
about Christianity and The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Bible.

Another familiar christian practice, buy into *****, devour
enemies, commit stupidity, challenge reality, and whine ceaselessly,
slay atheists (literally if not metaphorically), rinse-repeat.

Authors Dinesh D’Souza and Robert Hutchinson skillfully answer, once
again, the atheist’s pet questions about the existence (or
non-existence) of God and how Christianity has allegedly made the
world suck. Suck, for you thick atheists, is a slang word which means
to make or to be really, really crappy (kind of like how our culture
becomes anytime you guys mess with it).

Yes, shining a light on your fantasy must really suck. Reality bites,
eh? (Bites, for you thick morontheists, means that your own rhetoric
"turns and 'bites' you in the *****". ) BTW, you don't perpetuate
"culture", you simply refuse to join the world of rational thinking.

These books will be especially beneficial for high school and college
students to draw upon when their secular anti-God fuming delirious
instructors start railing against God and Christianity.

Especially usefull if the heaters break down.

For instance:

1. When the prissy anti-Christs tell you the Bible stands in the way
of science, inform them that the greatest scientific geniuses in
history were devout Christians—and scientists from Newton to Einstein
insisted that biblical religion provided the key ideas from which
experimental science could develop.

Newton was a tad eccentric, and Einstein was not christian by any
stretch of imagination. But that's where the christian minds thrive,
imagination. Maybe Newton's a wash, but you lost it totally with
Einstein, how about the other 99.99% of brilliant minds in history and
the present? Whattya got then? 96% against you? HA!

Make up your thin mind, is it pissy or prissy? (you'll claim both,
predictably). Christianity was also used to perpetuate slavery. When
modernity finally defeats religion-supported injustice, christians
revise history to take credit. If condoms play a significant role in
reducing AIDS in Africa, 50 years later you fuckers will claim you
saved them physically and morally, and bury the fact that religious
missionaries fucked them over. Christian claims about the roots and
founding of the USA just don't jive with the flourishing of slavery in
the first two and a half centuries.
Why did it take 1,500 frickin years for christians to find something
in the bible that helped abolish slavery? That you can cherry-pick to
support anything good or bad is not much of a point in your favor.
The rise of secularism coincides with the abolishment of slavery, also
not much help to your god-based ignorance.

3. When the screechin’ teachers tell you the Bible has been proven
false by archaeology, hark back and show them that each year a new
archaeological discovery substantiates the existence of people, places
and events we once knew solely from biblical sources, including the
discovery of the Moabite stone in 1868, which mentions numerous places
in the Bible, and the discovery of an inscription in 1961 that proves
the existence of the biblical figure Pontius Pilate, just to name a
few.

Got yer hark hangin, bubba.
The Moabite Stone is not completely supportive of the bible, and the
bible is not completely supportive of the stone. For all the *****
written in the bible, and its claims that it's "all true", you score
poorly. So it's not wrong about everything, whoopty fricking dooo.
I wonder what you mean by "numerous". One thing it does support, is
that in the name of gawd, many deaths occured. Congratulations on your
holy genocides, dickweed.
Pontius Pilate's existence does not support anything supernatural
either. Rome had prefects all over its empire, somebody had to be
there doing that job.
Two references not completely lies, wow, so let's all base life and
death situations on irrelevant ancient text.

Bullfuckingshit.
Millions of slaves existed in the Americas while bible thumping
missionary asswipes and god-bot bloodthirsty invaders wiped their
cultures away. The recession of theocratic power helped actual
freedoms to prosper, and for multiple religions to co-exist without
constant warfare. Exclamation mark.

5. When one of them queues up and quips that the Bible opposes
freedom, smack ‘em with the fact that the Bible’s insistence that no
one is above the law and all must answer to divine justice led to
theories of universal human rights and…uh…limited government.

The bible opposes and supports both sides of almost anything, it's all
how you cherry pick the piece of ***** fairy tale you claim to live by.
The bible claims (and perhaps yours?) primarily that no one is above
god's law. Since your god laws are written by a bunch of deluded
assholes, they are pretty much useless. Paying the daddy when you get
caught for rape, stoning the bride for not being up to snuff, kill
lazy drunkard sons, you got some deusy laws there.
Your universal laws only kept in mind the ones deemed worthy, the
proper sheep of your religion and its leaders. Everyone else can eat
***** and die for all your bible cares.
The Muslim's laws are a great example of horrendous failure, and they
stick to their Abrahamic version better than Christians do.
They can still get away with slaying infidels, are you jealous?

6. When they tell you that Christianity and the Bible justify war and
genocide, unsympathetically remind them that societies which rejected
biblical morality in favor of a more “rational” and “scientific”
approach to politics murdered millions upon millions more than the
Crusades or the Inquisition ever did. Hello. “Atheist regimes have
caused the greatest mass murders in history,” says D’Souza. Inside
D’Souza’s book you’ll find little gems like, “The Crusades, the
Inquisition, the Galileo affair, and witch hunts together make up less
than 1% of the murders that have occurred during modern atheist
regimes like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao.”

Christ-bots just don't get tired of repeating *****.
Hitler spouted christianity to help perpetuate his evil, Stalin was
educated in a seminary, and Mao fancied himself a deity using your
blood-soaked history as useful structure.

This is just a smattering of the various 411 fun the Christian is
going to get as they plow through What’s So Great about Christianity
and The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Bible.

Your 411 fun is closer to 911 horror.

Senior pastor, college pastor and youth pastor: do yourself and your
congregants a favor and teach this stuff to your church. Equip
Christians to stand against the BS (belief system) of the atheists.
The culture war is heating up, therefore make sure your people don’t
stand intellectually naked and neutered before these no-God numb nuts.

Naked and neutered, like your brains.

Good.
Atheists will continue to debunk your worn out *****.
Nothing new is really necessary to do that, its own text does it in,
and history shows that religion is a malady long due extinction.

In addition, everywhere I go and speak—be it in conferences, on the
radio, on television or in print—I’m going to encourage the tens of
thousands of Christians I address that every time and everywhere they
get crapped on by an atheist with unfounded arguments to open their
mouths and slam dance them with facts found in these two new brilliant
books from Regnery.

Sell sell sell!
Unfounded arguments are your mainstay, keep selling those to the
gullible and ignorant, and you will keep the moron meme alive.
Money is really important to religion eh? Ever wonder why the various
churches amassed such astounding wealth? Why is it that so many of the
christian leaders live in fabulous wealth? Fuckin' hypocrites.
The facts are that gawd religion is a mental sickness that needs to
wither and die. Museums and history books is where it belongs.
We can do better, and we must.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	21 Oct 2007 08:55:38 AM

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:00:27 +0100, Sound of Atheist Trumpet wrote:

For instance:

1. When the prissy anti-Christs tell you the Bible stands in the way of
science, inform them that the greatest scientific geniuses in history
were devout ChristiansÂ—and scientists from Newton to Einstein insisted
that biblical religion provided the key ideas from which experimental
science could develop.

Except they weren't and they aren't.
People who pull this canard from their rear ends are ignorant of the fact
that the modern era has seen more scientific progress than all of human
history before it. Hell, the 20th century saw more progress than all of
human history before it.
While it's worthwhile to recognize people such as Newton who were working
before all the tools and knowledge we have today, who says they're the
"greatest"? A single Hawking lecture would leave Newton bewildered.
Newtonian physics has been relegated to *high school*.
(Which may explain a great deal in that it's rather obvious god bots
never got past high school in education)
On top of that, Newton denied the trinity as I recall. Interesting
version of "devout" that.
Einstein didn't believe in a personal god at all but more a deistic "god"
in which the orderliness of the universe was "god". Not a very "devout"
idea that.
And don't you love how conveniently they skip over Darwin? He is
considered one of the greats of his day.

2. When the pissy God haters tell you the Bible condones slavery, you
can remind them that slavery was abolished only when devout Christians,
inspired by the Bible, launched a campaign in the early 1800s to abolish
the slave trade.

Yeah, it only took them 1,800 years. And there's nothing in the bible
that tells them to do so. If "god" was opposed to slavery, why didn't he
just *say* so instead of coming up with all kinds of "rules" on how to do
it right? Why wasn't slavery abolished among believers thousands of years
ahead of everybody else? Why isn't there a "thou shalt not" about
slavery? Why didn't Jesus or the Apostles denounce it?
Why did it take the advent of secularization among European peoples to
finally cause the abolition of slavery?
And why was it the Christians were "split" on the issue? The reason we
have a Southern Baptist Convention at all is they were the pro-slavery
Baptists who split from the anti-slavery Baptists.
Something I'm sure the SBC would rather not talk about today.

3. When the screechinÂ’ teachers tell you the Bible has been proven false
by archaeology, hark back and show them that each year a new
archaeological discovery substantiates the existence of people, places
and events we once knew solely from biblical sources, including the
discovery of the Moabite stone in 1868, which mentions numerous places
in the Bible, and the discovery of an inscription in 1961 that proves
the existence of the biblical figure Pontius Pilate, just to name a few.

Conveniently ignoring all the times it's been shown wrong. Or just flat
muddled. The "birth" of Jesus is all over the place. The bible can't even
pin that one down. You'd think that would be an important one.
Then there's that elephant in the room: the worldwide flood.
Which never happened. There is flat no *way* it could have without
leaving evidence so strong nobody could miss it.
(Or that Exodus thing that, based on the numbers bandied about by the
bible, would have left a trail still visible from SPACE)
But this one is a red herring anyway. Ann Rice's books are quite accurate
in descriptions of New Orleans. So much so, fans found a particular tree
at which some event in a book had taken place just from the description
in the book.
This means Lestat is real?

4. When they get sweaty and tell you that the Bible breeds intolerance,
refresh their memory with the fact that only those societies influenced
by biblical teachings (in North and South America, Europe, and
Australia) today guarantee freedom of speech and religion. Period.

And never mind that it was the rebellion against religious authority of
the Enlightenment in which ideas such as freedom of speech and religion
were born. Never mind that Greco-Roman (bunch of pagans!) culture was
such a heavy influence that even our capitol's architecture was done in
Greco-Roman style. And definitely never mind that many of the ideas in
our Constitution came from native societies. One of the first suggestions
that the states federalize came from a guy in the Iroquois Confederation.
Speaking of natives, how is it the US is here? If it was a "Christian
nation" then what about "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not steal"?
What happened to those? Did they get changed to "Thou shalt not kill
(unless they're brown)." And "Thou shalt not steal (unless they have
really good land)."
How did a "Christian nation" perpetrate one of the biggest genocides in
human history? Where does the bible say "Thou shalt give out small pox
infected blankets"?
If the Christians meant what they say, the United States shouldn't exist.

5. When one of them queues up and quips that the Bible opposes freedom,
smack Â‘em with the fact that the BibleÂ’s insistence that no one is

above

the law and all must answer to divine justice led to theories of
universal human rights andÂ…uhÂ…limited government.

Then why did it take so long? Even when the US was founded only two
centuries ago and change, rights were not considered universal. In fact,
we're still working on that one now.
And if rights are universal because of the bible, that rather puts the
Christians in a bind over, you know, gay rights.
If the babble was the source, why did it take a good 1800 years just to
*start* moving toward the idea of universal rights? Why is it the move
toward such an ideal didn't begin until the Enlightenment? Why was the
"divine right of kings" ever around?

6. When they tell you that Christianity and the Bible justify war and
genocide, unsympathetically remind them that societies which rejected
biblical morality in favor of a more Â“rationalÂ” and Â“scientificÂ”
approach to politics murdered millions upon millions more than the
Crusades or the Inquisition ever did. Hello. Â“Atheist regimes have
caused the greatest mass murders in history,Â” says DÂ’Souza. Inside
DÂ’SouzaÂ’s book youÂ’ll find little gems like, Â“The Crusades, the
Inquisition, the Galileo affair, and witch hunts together make up less
than 1% of the murders that have occurred during modern atheist regimes
like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao.Â”

Love the numbers game. Long as somebody did *more*, it's okay? And, what
a great guy that Jesus, he's not nearly as bad as Stalin!
Funny thing about the numbers game, they rig it. If the US was a
"Christian nation", then the genocidal wars of the Americas have to be
counted also. They skip right over that. But the fact is, the population
of what is now the conterminous 48 states has been estimated at as much
as 6 million pre-contact. Maybe higher. The nadir was 250,000. And given
that took place over decades and generations, that means the deaths were
exceeding the births over a long period of time.
Yes, disease probably did the biggest percentage but the waves of
epidemics kept coming because the invasion of native territories was
ongoing. It's not like the Christians saw what happened and said, "We
should stop going in, we keep making them sick!"
(In fact, early settlers quite often wrote glowing praises to "god" for
decimating the "savages" for them.)
It could be the biggest holocaust of human history, bar none. Entire
tribal nations vanished. Even Hitler couldn't pull that off. The Jewish
people still exist. That can't be said for a great many tribes in the
Americas.
And to this day, the "Christian nation" is being, at best, neglectful of
its obligations to the remaining tribes and, many times, is outright
hostile and destructive.
Still.
At the present rate of erosion of tribal lands, it's been estimated the
tribes will lose all their lands by 2080. At present, 167 of about 180
known, remaining languages are moribund and will die out within two
generations. The BIA is likely the single most corrupt organization of
the US government and not long ago "lost" over $2 billion of native
monies being held "in trust". The corruption is such a long standing
tradition, I have a book (in one of these boxes) that was detailing how
corrupt the government was in dealings with natives which is some 70
years old now.
Yes, over 70 years ago, people were talking about the corruption which is
still ongoing.
For crying out loud, the enrolled tribal population is only around 2.5
million. How much would it cost to straighten this mess out? Oh, wait, we
have to bomb Iraq (in Christian love).
Yeah, Stalin was bad. But I still have to ask about this relativistic
morality. Is "he killed more" an excuse? Do I get to tell this "god" guy,
"Hey, I wasn't as bad as Stalin!" and that'll disarm him?
What happened to "absolute morality"? Why do we find *any* examples of
Christians behaving this way? Is this all they have? That their religion
will make you, "not as bad as Hitler"?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
â€œThe alms-giver, in return for a trifling expenditure
on this earth, will be rewarded with an infinity of bliss
post-mortem. This purely selfish note is struck with
great clarity by Judaism, and only less clearly by
Christianity....religion has not really promoted charity,
but debased it.â€
- H. L. Mencken
.

User: "MarkA"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	21 Oct 2007 02:19:44 PM

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:00:27 +0100, Sound of Atheist Trumpet wrote:

I just love these parodies!

1. When the prissy anti-Christs tell you the Bible stands in the way
of science, inform them that the greatest scientific geniuses in
history were devout Christians—and scientists from Newton to Einstein
insisted that biblical religion provided the key ideas from which
experimental science could develop.

That's funny! Einstein, 'insisting that biblical religion provided key
ideas..' What a riot!

Perhaps, but it doesn't change the fact that the bible does, indeed,
condone slavery. The same bible that is supposed to be the gold standard
of morality.

LMAO!!! So, if some parts of the bible are true, the whole thing must be?
Have the Chinese ever explained how they survived Noah's flood?

4. When they get sweaty and tell you that the Bible breeds intolerance,
refresh their memory with the fact that only those societies influenced
by biblical teachings (in North and South America, Europe, and
Australia) today guarantee freedom of speech and religion. Period.

HAHAHAHAHA.....I can't stand it....What the ***** does "influenced by
biblical teachings" mean?? Are you referring to the fact that societies
developed advanced standards of morality *in spite of* the contradictory
teachings of the bible??

5. When one of them queues up and quips that the Bible opposes freedom,
smack ‘em with the fact that the Bible’s insistence that no one is
above the law and all must answer to divine justice led to theories of
universal human rights and…uh…limited government.

Like the Code of Hammurabi, 2,000 years before Christ? Yea, the bible is
really on the cutting edge, let me tell you!

We never get tired of that joke about Hitler being an atheist! Is it fair
to point out that the total population of the world during the Crusades
is estimated at about 300 million, while in the 1940's it was more like
2.5 billion? Any comparison of modern genocide versus that of ancient
Christianity has to take inflation into account. Then there's the little
detail about how Mao and Stalin were not killing people to promote
rational thinking...

This is just a smattering of the various 411 fun the Christian is going
to get as they plow through What’s So Great about Christianity and The
Politically Incorrect Guide to the Bible.

Senior pastor, college pastor and youth pastor: do yourself and your
congregants a favor and teach this stuff to your church. Equip
Christians to stand against the BS (belief system) of the atheists. The
culture war is heating up, therefore make sure your people don’t stand
intellectually naked and neutered before these no-God numb nuts.

LOL!! What a howler!! Instead of naked and neutered, they'll be clothed
with a swatch of rice paper, and armed with an inflatable sword!

Lastly, comfortable and cocky atheists, you had better brace yourselves.
Hundreds of thousands of Christians and authors are about to read these
books and, as stated, systematically dismember your old and haggard
arguments.

I'll be awake all night worrying!

If these two books are the best defense you can muster, you'd be better of
continuing to rely on terrorism, repression, and brain-washing. You know,
the usual ways of promoting your religion. Leave the critical thinking
to the experts. It only makes you look silly.
--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
.

User: "Greywolf"
Title: Re: Clownhall article: How to shut up an atheist, if you must.	21 Oct 2007 04:37:32 PM

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