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ClownHall columnist: Why Christopher Hitchens is not Great |
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By Kevin McCullough
Sunday, May 6, 2007
Hitchens does the most disservice to his readers and listeners when he
attempts to equivocate Christianity to Islam. No where in Christianity
does the doctrine, text, or deity call for the cutting off the heads
of those who simply disagree. No where does the biblical text instruct
Christians to wage jihad for minor doctrinal differences. Jesus
himself forgave the adulterer and told her accusers to only punish her
if they themselves were innocent.
In Hitchens' last flailing attempt to level criticism he asserts the
keeping of rules is the ticket to paradise, and such rules are stupid
and insecure. Never mind the fact that someone with Hitchens'
intimidating intellect wasn't even honest enough in the construct of
his argument to note that Christianity is in fact NOT a religion of
rules. Rather the message of Christ's death and resurrection was
simple, "you're not capable of keeping rules." Hence the sacrifice
Jesus Christ went through - to use a biblical word - atoned for our
sins. He paid the price we owed.
Hitchens has a soul that is angry. He sees the evil of 9/11 and has no
capacity to explain it. His own indulgence resists the moral guidance
God has left for him. He has saturated his mind with the far less
believable claims of Marx, Darwin, and Einstein. Yet even he has not
escaped the moral outrage that God put within him at the site of
Islamic terrorism, the sweeping pandemic of AIDS in Africa, and the
hypocrisy of "religious" leaders who still fall short of God's
standards.
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Read it at
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=why_christopher_hitchens_is_not_great&ns=KevinMcCullough&dt=05/06/2007&page=full&comments=true
or http://tinyurl.com/2g6ld2
J. Spaceman
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06 May 2007 07:40:28 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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By Kevin McCullough
Sunday, May 6, 2007
Hitchens does the most disservice to his readers and listeners when he
attempts to equivocate Christianity to Islam.
Well, it is pretty difficult deciding which side has killed more people in
the name of 'God' throughout history. I'd go with the Christians myself.
No where in Christianity
does the doctrine, text, or deity call for the cutting off the heads
of those who simply disagree.
No you suffer unspeakable, eternal torment and suffering instead.
No where does the biblical text instruct
Christians to wage jihad for minor doctrinal differences. Jesus
himself forgave the adulterer and told her accusers to only punish her
if they themselves were innocent.
But he turns around and says, 'Do not think I have come to bring peace on
earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a
man against his father and a daughter against her mother, and daughter-in
law against her mother-in law', too. (See Mt. 10:34-35.) What happened to
the 'Prince of Peace'?
In Hitchens' last flailing attempt to level criticism
'Flailing'? Really? 'Flailing'?
he asserts the
keeping of rules is the ticket to paradise, and such rules are stupid
and insecure. Never mind the fact that someone with Hitchens'
intimidating intellect wasn't even honest enough in the construct of
his argument to note that Christianity is in fact NOT a religion of
rules.
Anyone here aware of the fact that Christianity is *not* a religion of
rules? Ever try eating a hotdog on a Friday back in the 50's? It was a 'sin'
to do so.
Rather the message of Christ's death and resurrection was
simple, "you're not capable of keeping rules." Hence the sacrifice
Jesus Christ went through - to use a biblical word - atoned for our
sins. He paid the price we owed.
See the problem with 'Christianity'? Contradictions abound. So does
providing a consistent 'message'. For example: Eating that hotdog on a
Friday is no longer a 'sin'. How's *that* for inconsistancy? Here we are
told man is incapable of keeping 'rules' yet the Judeo/Christian/Islamic
'Gods' is said to have given mankind a set of rules/commandments which, if
not adhered to, results in eternal damnation. The 'Ten Commandments' are not
'rules'? The command to 'love thy neighbor as thyself' is not a 'rule',
either?
Hitchens has a soul that is angry. He sees the evil of 9/11 and has no
capacity to explain it.
Neither do 'Christians'. How do they explain that a purported 'loving' God
who *knew* it was going to happen in advance does nothing to prevent it?
Where was the 'love' in *that*?! Hell, the 'God' of the Islamic terrorists
apparently made *sure* they would succeed in their heinous mission. *He*
answered their 'prayers', wouldn't you say?
His own indulgence resists the moral guidance
God has left for him.
That *who* left for him. A 'God', you say. Where was 'God's' morality when
it came to allowing 9/11 to come to a 'successful' conclusion. Oh, that's
right. The terrorists prayed to 'God' that their mission would be
successful. He apparently decided to let them be just that. 'Proof's in the
pudding', you know.
He has saturated his mind with the far less
believable claims of Marx, Darwin, and Einstein.
I didn't know Hitchens was a Marxist. Cite evidence of this, please.
Yet even he has not
escaped the moral outrage that God put within him at the site of
Islamic terrorism,
Well who in the *hell* allowed 9/11 to happen? The 'God' the terrorists
prayed to for their success, the Christian 'God' who did nothing to prevent
it, or a non-existent 'God' who couldn't do a damn thing about it one way or
the other?
the sweeping pandemic of AIDS in Africa, and the
hypocrisy of "religious" leaders who still fall short of God's
standards.
'Standards'? What kind of standards does a mass-murdering, uncaring,
indifferent to the suffering of mankind sort of 'God' does this deity
possess -- besides mankind 'properly' licking his ***** up one side and down
the other without end?
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Read it at
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=why_christopher_hitchens_is_not_great&ns=KevinMcCullough&dt=05/06/2007&page=full&comments=true
or http://tinyurl.com/2g6ld2
J. Spaceman
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06 May 2007 10:08:54 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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From the article:
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By Kevin McCullough
Sunday, May 6, 2007
Hitchens does the most disservice to his readers and listeners when he
attempts to equivocate Christianity to Islam. No where in Christianity
does the doctrine, text, or deity call for the cutting off the heads
of those who simply disagree. No where does the biblical text instruct
Christians to wage jihad for minor doctrinal differences. Jesus
himself forgave the adulterer and told her accusers to only punish her
if they themselves were innocent.
In Hitchens' last flailing attempt to level criticism he asserts the
keeping of rules is the ticket to paradise, and such rules are stupid
and insecure. Never mind the fact that someone with Hitchens'
intimidating intellect wasn't even honest enough in the construct of
his argument to note that Christianity is in fact NOT a religion of
rules. Rather the message of Christ's death and resurrection was
simple, "you're not capable of keeping rules." Hence the sacrifice
Jesus Christ went through - to use a biblical word - atoned for our
sins. He paid the price we owed.
Hitchens has a soul that is angry. He sees the evil of 9/11 and has no
capacity to explain it. His own indulgence resists the moral guidance
God has left for him. He has saturated his mind with the far less
believable claims of Marx, Darwin, and Einstein. Yet even he has not
escaped the moral outrage that God put within him at the site of
Islamic terrorism, the sweeping pandemic of AIDS in Africa, and the
hypocrisy of "religious" leaders who still fall short of God's
standards.
At least Hitchens exists, which is more than you
can say for your 'God'.
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06 May 2007 11:18:32 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By Kevin McCullough
Sunday, May 6, 2007
Hitchens does the most disservice to his readers and listeners when he
attempts to equivocate Christianity to Islam. No where in Christianity
does the doctrine, text, or deity call for the cutting off the heads
of those who simply disagree.
Yes, instructions to kill are not always that specific. Or another way
of killing is prescribed, like stoning.
No where does the biblical text instruct
Christians to wage jihad for minor doctrinal differences.
One word: Inquisition. People were burned alive for simply disagreeing
or for minor doctrinal differences. No difference was tolerated, a
smallest deviation would make one an heretic. No doubt Church lawyers
found all necessary justifications in doctrine and biblical texts.
Jesus
himself forgave the adulterer and told her accusers to only punish her
if they themselves were innocent.
In Hitchens' last flailing attempt to level criticism he asserts the
keeping of rules is the ticket to paradise, and such rules are stupid
and insecure. Never mind the fact that someone with Hitchens'
intimidating intellect wasn't even honest enough in the construct of
his argument to note that Christianity is in fact NOT a religion of
rules. Rather the message of Christ's death and resurrection was
simple, "you're not capable of keeping rules." Hence the sacrifice
Jesus Christ went through - to use a biblical word - atoned for our
sins. He paid the price we owed.
Hitchens has a soul that is angry. He sees the evil of 9/11 and has no
capacity to explain it. His own indulgence resists the moral guidance
God has left for him. He has saturated his mind with the far less
believable claims of Marx, Darwin, and Einstein. Yet even he has not
escaped the moral outrage that God put within him at the site of
Islamic terrorism, the sweeping pandemic of AIDS in Africa, and the
hypocrisy of "religious" leaders who still fall short of God's
standards.
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Read it at
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=why_christopher_hitchens_is_not_great&ns=KevinMcCullough&dt=05/06/2007&page=full&comments=true
or http://tinyurl.com/2g6ld2
J. Spaceman
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06 May 2007 04:04:16 AM |
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On Sun, 06 May 2007 02:15:46 -0400, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
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From the article:
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By Kevin McCullough
Sunday, May 6, 2007
Hitchens does the most disservice to his readers and listeners when he
attempts to equivocate Christianity to Islam. No where in Christianity
does the doctrine, text, or deity call for the cutting off the heads
of those who simply disagree.
:
Oh yeah?
Try reading it:
For touching Mount Sinai
Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus
19:13
For taking "accursed things"
Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him
with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them
with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger.
Joshua 7:1-26
For cursing or blaspheming
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put
to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.
Leviticus 24:16
For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud
enough)
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man
find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both
out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones
that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say,
I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring
forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city
in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the
tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth
before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the
tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring
out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her
city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
For worshipping other gods
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other
gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with
stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or
the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul,
entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which
thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him
with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10
For disobeying parents
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the
voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his
father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the
elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city,
This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice;
he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall
stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
For witches and wizards
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard,
shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their
blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27
For giving your children to Molech
Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be
put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
Leviticus 20:2
For breaking the Sabbath
They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And
the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all
the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the
congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones,
and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56
For cursing the king
Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and
stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10
Oh, alright, so it's not "cutting off heads"!
That makes it alright!
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06 May 2007 05:20:32 AM |
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On 6 mei, 11:04, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 May 2007 02:15:46 -0400, Jason Spaceman<notrea...@jspaceman.ho=
melinux.org> wrote:
- Refer: <7hoq335dhpbp794p8rnlblsnf5poln6...@4ax.com>
From the article:
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By Kevin McCullough
Sunday, May 6, 2007
Hitchens does the most disservice to his readers and listeners when he
attempts to equivocate Christianity to Islam. No where in Christianity
does the doctrine, text, or deity call for the cutting off the heads
of those who simply disagree.
:
Oh yeah?
Try reading it:
For touching Mount Sinai
Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus
19:13
For taking "accursed things"
Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him
with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them
with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger.
Joshua 7:1-26
For cursing or blaspheming
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put
to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.
Leviticus 24:16
For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud
enough)
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man
find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both
out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones
that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say,
I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring
forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city
in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the
tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth
before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the
tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring
out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her
city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
For worshipping other gods
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other
gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with
stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or
the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul,
entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which
thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him
with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10
For disobeying parents
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the
voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his
father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the
elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city,
This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice;
he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall
stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
For witches and wizards
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard,
shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their
blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27
For giving your children to Molech
Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be
put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
Leviticus 20:2
For breaking the Sabbath
They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And
the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all
the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the
congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones,
and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56
For cursing the king
Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and
stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10
Oh, alright, so it's not "cutting off heads"!
That makes it alright!
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Apparently McCullough mistakes the Gospel for the bible.
(as you can see all these text are from the "Old Testament"
But even the Gospel hints on a day of reckoning,
as I learned while trying to put together my "Gospel of Peter"
The parables given in Matthew 13 verse 23 thru 30 and verse 47 thru
48,
give a grim idea of what was to happen to those who were not true
believers.
When I was young I never understood the full meaning of these,
but now I have a very uneasy feeling about them.
Peter van Velzen
May 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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