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Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality |
Doesn't sound like Colorado is exactly rolling out the welcome mat for
homos.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040205coloBan.htm
Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality
(Denver, Colorado) Two Colorado lawmakers got into a shouting match
when one of them marched into a news conference the other was holding
to denounce same-sex marriage.
Rep. Kevin Lundberg (R-Berthoud) and Rep. Jim Welker (R-Loveland)
called the news conference to tout their proposed amendment to bar gays
and lesbian from marrying.
< ....................................>
Welker then interjected saying that gay marriage would open a
"Pandora's box".
"Where do you draw the line?" he said. "A year and a half ago a lady in
India married her dog."
Welker was referring to the marriage of a 9-year-old girl who married a
stray dog in 2003 as part of a ritual to ward off an evil spell.
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04 Apr 2005 05:24:36 PM |
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"J IBen Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> trolled with yet another cut-n-paste
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Doesn't sound like Colorado is exactly rolling out the welcome mat for
homos.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040205coloBan.htm
Interesting sources you're using these days, IBen.
Is there something you'd like to share?
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04 Apr 2005 05:41:32 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
"Where do you draw the line?" he said. "A year and a half ago a lady in
India married her dog."
Given that some Christians regularly swoon at the thought of
eating the flesh and drinking the blood of their god, I don't think
objections to other culture's rituals has much standing.
Elf
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04 Apr 2005 06:20:39 PM |
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J Young ranted on about:
Doesn't sound like Colorado is exactly rolling out the welcome mat for
homos.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040205coloBan.htm
I blogged this article myself, at
http://biffster.org/thoughts/2005/04/colorado-republican-representatives.html.
My final argument: the Republican reps who were pushing this ban succeeded
in making themselves look like asses. And Democratic representative Angie
Paccione summed the whole thing up with a greatquote: "'Come on Jim. It's
not the same, it's not the same to have someone marry a dog than it is to
have two loving people get married,' she said."
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04 Apr 2005 04:21:55 PM |
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In article <1112649002.460897.101740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040205coloBan.htm
Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality
(Denver, Colorado) Two Colorado lawmakers got into a shouting match
when one of them marched into a news conference the other was holding
to denounce same-sex marriage.
Rep. Kevin Lundberg (R-Berthoud) and Rep. Jim Welker (R-Loveland)
called the news conference to tout their proposed amendment to bar gays
and lesbian from marrying.
< ....................................>
Welker then interjected saying that gay marriage would open a
"Pandora's box".
"Where do you draw the line?" he said. "A year and a half ago a lady in
India married her dog."
Welker was referring to the marriage of a 9-year-old girl who married a
stray dog in 2003 as part of a ritual to ward off an evil spell.
Doesn't sound like Colorado is exactly rolling out the welcome mat for
homos.
Doesn't sound like the right wing in Colorado has too much on their
side, if they're holding up a nine-year-old's bit of childish
magic as their icon of The Horrible Things That Will Happen
if gay marriage is permitted.
By the way, the article is much more interesting with the bits
you snipped left intact:
Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff
Posted: April 2, 2005 12:01 am ET
(Denver, Colorado) Two Colorado lawmakers got into a shouting match
when one of them marched into a news conference the other was holding to
denounce same-sex marriage.
Rep. Kevin Lundberg (R-Berthoud) and Rep. Jim Welker (R-Loveland)
called the news conference to tout their proposed amendment to bar gays
and lesbian from marrying.
Colorado already has legislation that blocks same-sex marriage. But,
Lundberg said that it could be overturned by judges. Lundberg called it
"the most significant domestic issue of the decade."
At that point, Rep. Angie Paccione (D-Fort Collins) had enough. "We
have over 700,000 Coloradans without health care," she said, her voice
rising, she yelled as she marched up the podium.
"How could we possibly say that gay marriage is more important than
health care?"
Paccione, who is half black, also reminded him that interracial marriage
used to be illegal in Colorado. She said denying gay people the right to
marry is no different.
Lundberg argued that they were two different issues.
Welker then interjected saying that gay marriage would open a "Pandora's
box".
"Where do you draw the line?" he said. "A year and a half ago a lady in
India married her dog."
Welker was referring to the marriage of a 9-year-old girl who married a
stray dog in 2003 as part of a ritual to ward off an evil spell.
"Oh, for heaven's sake," Paccione shot back. "Come, on Jim."
"That is true. That's a fact," Welker said.
It was enough to make Paccione explode with rage.
"It's not the same to have somebody marry a dog than it is to have two
loving people get married. Come on!"
Most observers believe the marriage amendment is unlikely to pass. Last
year, Lundberg failed to get a majority of members in the
Republican-controlled House to back GOP Rep. Marilyn Musgrave's proposed
gay marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
©365Gay.com 2005
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06 Apr 2005 09:26:12 AM |
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cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:d2sb5j$f7$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
Doesn't sound like the right wing in Colorado has too much
on their side, if they're holding up a nine-year-old's bit
of childish magic as their icon of The Horrible Things That
Will Happen if gay marriage is permitted.
By the way, the article is much more interesting with the
bits you snipped left intact:
...
Rep. Kevin Lundberg (R-Berthoud) and Rep. Jim Welker
(R-Loveland) called the news conference to tout their
proposed amendment to bar gays and lesbian from marrying.
Colorado already has legislation that blocks same-sex
marriage. But, Lundberg said that it could be overturned
by judges. Lundberg called it "the most significant
domestic issue of the decade."
At that point, Rep. Angie Paccione (D-Fort Collins) had
enough. "We have over 700,000 Coloradans without health
care," she said, her voice rising, she yelled as she
marched up the podium.
"How could we possibly say that gay marriage is more
important than health care?"
I think that there's something terribly wrong with America
when an issue like gay marriage can be used as a smokescreen to
divert attention from the USA's embarrassing failures regarding
health care. It's even worse when the truth is that the truth
sinks in that gay marriage, at least the forms currently being
argued about, actually represents the gay movement taking
a quite *conservative* tack on trying to fit into this society.
Secret Squirrel
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04 Apr 2005 04:18:48 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Doesn't sound like Colorado is exactly rolling out the welcome mat for
homos.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040205coloBan.htm
Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality
(Denver, Colorado) Two Colorado lawmakers got into a shouting match
when one of them marched into a news conference the other was holding
to denounce same-sex marriage.
Rep. Kevin Lundberg (R-Berthoud) and Rep. Jim Welker (R-Loveland)
called the news conference to tout their proposed amendment to bar
gays and lesbian from marrying.
< ....................................>
Welker then interjected saying that gay marriage would open a
"Pandora's box".
"Where do you draw the line?" he said. "A year and a half ago a lady
in India married her dog."
Welker was referring to the marriage of a 9-year-old girl who married
a stray dog in 2003 as part of a ritual to ward off an evil spell.
It only proves that some lawmakers are as bone ignorant as you are.
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particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
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04 Apr 2005 07:08:48 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Doesn't sound like Colorado is exactly rolling out the welcome mat for
homos.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040205coloBan.htm
Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality
(Denver, Colorado) Two Colorado lawmakers got into a shouting match
when one of them marched into a news conference the other was holding
to denounce same-sex marriage.
Rep. Kevin Lundberg (R-Berthoud) and Rep. Jim Welker (R-Loveland)
called the news conference to tout their proposed amendment to bar gays
and lesbian from marrying.
< ....................................>
Welker then interjected saying that gay marriage would open a
"Pandora's box".
"Where do you draw the line?" he said. "A year and a half ago a lady in
India married her dog."
Welker was referring to the marriage of a 9-year-old girl who married a
stray dog in 2003 as part of a ritual to ward off an evil spell.
Tis ok, a number of us are arranging some investment capital to turn
Colorado Springs into a year round Lesbian spa and resort.....
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07 Apr 2005 05:14:15 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 00:08:48 GMT, Natalie Clifford Barney
<SalonHostess@20RueJacob.fr> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Doesn't sound like Colorado is exactly rolling out the welcome mat for
homos.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040205coloBan.htm
Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality
(Denver, Colorado) Two Colorado lawmakers got into a shouting match
when one of them marched into a news conference the other was holding
to denounce same-sex marriage.
Rep. Kevin Lundberg (R-Berthoud) and Rep. Jim Welker (R-Loveland)
called the news conference to tout their proposed amendment to bar gays
and lesbian from marrying.
< ....................................>
Welker then interjected saying that gay marriage would open a
"Pandora's box".
"Where do you draw the line?" he said. "A year and a half ago a lady in
India married her dog."
Welker was referring to the marriage of a 9-year-old girl who married a
stray dog in 2003 as part of a ritual to ward off an evil spell.
Tis ok, a number of us are arranging some investment capital to turn
Colorado Springs into a year round Lesbian spa and resort.....
(standing ovation) ;)
It's about time Colorado Springs got some class.
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Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
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05 Apr 2005 03:40:13 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Doesn't sound like Colorado is exactly rolling out the welcome mat
for
homos.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040205coloBan.htm
Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality
(Denver, Colorado) Two Colorado lawmakers got into a shouting match
when one of them marched into a news conference the other was holding
to denounce same-sex marriage.
Rep. Kevin Lundberg (R-Berthoud) and Rep. Jim Welker (R-Loveland)
called the news conference to tout their proposed amendment to bar
gays
and lesbian from marrying.
< ....................................>
Welker then interjected saying that gay marriage would open a
"Pandora's box".
"Where do you draw the line?" he said. "A year and a half ago a lady
in
India married her dog."
Welker was referring to the marriage of a 9-year-old girl who married
a
stray dog in 2003 as part of a ritual to ward off an evil spell.
Marriage itself is a major contributor to sexual divergence. Limiting
sexual partners to just one person for a lifetime is not a natural
thing for humans, IMHO.
The solution is to remove the term "marriage" from government entirely.
We can use a new term like "adolescent guardian partnership" or
something similar for tax purposes, social benefits, etc. When the
theist affiliation is removed we will be closer to the time when we can
talk about the real issues of partnerships/child guardianships.
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05 Apr 2005 01:33:41 PM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1112690413.242432.14990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Marriage itself is a major contributor to sexual
divergence. Limiting sexual partners to just one person for
a lifetime is not a natural thing for humans, IMHO.
The solution is to remove the term "marriage" from
government entirely. We can use a new term like "adolescent
guardian partnership" or something similar for tax
purposes, social benefits, etc. When the theist affiliation
is removed we will be closer to the time when we can talk
about the real issues of partnerships/child guardianships.
I concur completely. When so many heterosexual marriages
end up in a frequently messy dissolution, is marriage--at
least the nuclear family flavor---something that gays
should be wanting to ape? I support gay marriage for anyone
who wants it, sure, but resorting to this seems a terrible
failure of the imagination, and it also shows how terribly
*conservative* the gay rights movement has become.
As for child guardianships, I say let empower the kids to
make the decisions of which "family" members they want to
live with, and direct the benefits there. Much of the
child abuse in this country stems from the fact that we
refuse to recognize that making children and raising them
require two different sets of skills, we try to *force* those
who aren't interested or who otherwise aren't fit to raise
kids to be child caretakers; in fact, we grant them near-
dictatorship powers over the kids just on the basis of who
fucked whom one night. It's silly.
Secret Squirrel
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06 Apr 2005 02:25:29 PM |
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FreeThink ranted on about:
The solution is to remove the term "marriage" from government entirely.
We can use a new term like "adolescent guardian partnership" or
something similar for tax purposes, social benefits, etc. When the
theist affiliation is removed we will be closer to the time when we can
talk about the real issues of partnerships/child guardianships.
Amen to that. I've proposed that idea as an alternative, along the lines,
"If we will not allow any two people to marry, then we should remove
marriage for everyone. Let churches "marry" whoever they want. The
government will recognize civil unions between two people (regardless of
gender) and give spousal rights to the members of the union."
It's a good compromise: the closed-minded religious fundies get to keep
marriage "sacred," religions that accept gays can marry gay couples, and
everyone is treated equally under the law.
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06 Apr 2005 02:30:51 PM |
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"Michael Fierro" <biffster@NOSPAM-REALLYgmail.com> wrote in message
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FreeThink ranted on about:
The solution is to remove the term "marriage" from government entirely.
We can use a new term like "adolescent guardian partnership" or
something similar for tax purposes, social benefits, etc. When the
theist affiliation is removed we will be closer to the time when we can
talk about the real issues of partnerships/child guardianships.
Amen to that. I've proposed that idea as an alternative, along the lines,
"If we will not allow any two people to marry, then we should remove
marriage for everyone. Let churches "marry" whoever they want.
They already do. Anyone that wishes can get married. So what's the big deal?
--
"When a strict interpretation of the Constitution,
according to the fixed rules which govern the
interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the
theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to
control its meaning, we have no longer a Con-
stitution; we are under the government of individ-
ual men, who for the time being have power to
declare what the Constitution is according to
their own views of what it ought to mean"
Supreme Court Justice Benjamin R. Curtis
Maverick
http://www.independent.org/
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07 Apr 2005 11:53:38 AM |
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Maverick ranted on about:
Amen to that. I've proposed that idea as an alternative, along the lines,
"If we will not allow any two people to marry, then we should remove
marriage for everyone. Let churches "marry" whoever they want.
They already do. Anyone that wishes can get married. So what's the big
deal?
There's one very big deal: our government doesn't view all marriages as
equal. Sure, a church might marry a gay couple, but most state governments
don't recognize that union. Which means the couple doesn't get the rights
given to hetero married couples.
The whole idea is to create union equality.
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explore? Millions of planets? Eons of time? Countless civilizations to
meet?" - The Fourth Doctor
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07 Apr 2005 01:13:12 PM |
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"Michael Fierro" <biffster@NOSPAM-REALLYgmail.com> wrote in message
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Maverick ranted on about:
Amen to that. I've proposed that idea as an alternative, along the
lines,
"If we will not allow any two people to marry, then we should remove
marriage for everyone. Let churches "marry" whoever they want.
They already do. Anyone that wishes can get married. So what's the big
deal?
There's one very big deal: our government doesn't view all marriages as
equal. Sure, a church might marry a gay couple, but most state governments
don't recognize that union. Which means the couple doesn't get the rights
given to hetero married couples.
So the problem is not with marriage, it's with government benefits. Instead
of engaging in an antagonistic war about marriage, why not go to bat for
benefits based on the merits of the need? It appears it is just a case of
jealous rage. It is tantamount to a bunch of hearing impaired people getting
upset and demanding that they get handicap parking spaces.
The homosexual community has come up with so many different versions of why
two people of the same sex should be allowed to marry that no one really
gives them any respect for their position anymore. First it was love, then
it was benefits, then it was equality and here it is again, back to
benefits. If it's for love, get married, no one is stopping you. If it is
for benefits, show the need and make the case. If it's for equality, show
the void and be prepared to prove the point with something other than
opinion, name calling and tantrums.
--
"When a strict interpretation of the Constitution,
according to the fixed rules which govern the
interpretation of laws, is abandoned, and the
theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to
control its meaning, we have no longer a Con-
stitution; we are under the government of individ-
ual men, who for the time being have power to
declare what the Constitution is according to
their own views of what it ought to mean"
Supreme Court Justice Benjamin R. Curtis
Maverick
http://www.independent.org/
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08 Apr 2005 12:13:33 PM |
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Maverick ranted on about:
First off, let me know I am not part of the "homosexual community" (as you
put it). I am hetero, happily married, and a father of one. I also firmly
believe that all people are equal, and should be treated as such.
So the problem is not with marriage, it's with government benefits.
It's about government bias against same-sex couples.
Instead of engaging in an antagonistic war about marriage, why not go to
bat for benefits based on the merits of the need? It appears it is just a
Benefits based on the merits of need? How does this address partners having
the right to make medical decisions for each other? Or to file a joint tax
return? Or to list one another as next of kin?
case of jealous rage. It is tantamount to a bunch of hearing impaired
people getting upset and demanding that they get handicap parking spaces.
That is not exactly a subtle statement on your part. Sounds like you view
homosexuality as a handicap or impairment. Why not just come out and say
so?
The homosexual community has come up with so many different versions of
why two people of the same sex should be allowed to marry that no one
really gives them any respect for their position anymore. First it was
So you're saying there can be only one reason?
And as for "no one really gives them respect for their position anymore," I
can prove that statement false right now: I still respect their position.
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"In all my travelling throughout the universe I have battled against evil,
against power-mad conspirators. I should have stayed here! The oldest
civilization: decadent, degenerate, and rotten to the core. Power-mad
conspirators, Daleks, Sontarans, Cybermen... they're still in the nursery
compared to us! Ten million years of absolute power. That's what it
takes to be really corrupt.
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| Title: Re: Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality |
08 Apr 2005 01:29:09 PM |
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Maverick ranted on about:
Maverick does not respond to personal affronts other than to inform the
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| User: "Michael Fierro" |
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10 Apr 2005 07:46:32 AM |
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Maverick ranted on about:
Maverick does not respond to personal affronts other than to inform the
poster of such. PLONK
Hmmm... "ranted" is a personal affront?
Sounds more like you didn't have anything to answer my arguments with.
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Michael Fierro
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Apr 2005 11:03:55 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:46:32 -0600, Michael Fierro
<biffster@NOSPAM-REALLYgmail.com> wrote:
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Maverick ranted on about:
Maverick does not respond to personal affronts other than to inform the
poster of such. PLONK
Hmmm... "ranted" is a personal affront?
Sounds more like you didn't have anything to answer my arguments with.
It never had and never will.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:19:15 PM |
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Maverick wrote:
"Michael Fierro" <biffster@NOSPAM-REALLYgmail.com> wrote in message
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Maverick ranted on about:
Maverick does not respond to personal affronts other than to inform the
poster of such. PLONK
Translation: Maverick runs a way when confronted with facts, and
reasonable and logical arguments.
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"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Apr 2005 11:03:31 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:19:15 -0400, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Maverick wrote:
"Michael Fierro" <biffster@NOSPAM-REALLYgmail.com> wrote in message
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Maverick ranted on about:
Maverick does not respond to personal affronts other than to inform the
poster of such. PLONK
Translation: Maverick runs a way when confronted with facts, and
reasonable and logical arguments.
Cowardice has that tendency.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Fritz" |
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09 Apr 2005 01:59:37 AM |
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Maverick wrote:
"Michael Fierro" <biffster@NOSPAM-REALLYgmail.com> wrote in message
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Maverick ranted on about:
Amen to that. I've proposed that idea as an alternative, along the
lines,
"If we will not allow any two people to marry, then we should remove
marriage for everyone. Let churches "marry" whoever they want.
They already do. Anyone that wishes can get married. So what's the big
deal?
There's one very big deal: our government doesn't view all marriages as
equal. Sure, a church might marry a gay couple, but most state governments
don't recognize that union. Which means the couple doesn't get the rights
given to hetero married couples.
So the problem is not with marriage,
Yes, it is.
it's with government benefits. Instead
of engaging in an antagonistic war about marriage, why not go to bat for
benefits based on the merits of the need?
Why not settle for second class citizenship yourself, see how
you like it.
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "thomas p" |
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08 Apr 2005 02:19:27 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:13:12 GMT, "Maverick" <justgopub...@nomail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Fierro" <biffster@NOSPAM-REALLYgmail.com> wrote in message
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Maverick ranted on about:
Amen to that. I've proposed that idea as an alternative, along the
lines,
"If we will not allow any two people to marry, then we should remove
marriage for everyone. Let churches "marry" whoever they want.
They already do. Anyone that wishes can get married. So what's the big
deal?
There's one very big deal: our government doesn't view all marriages as
equal. Sure, a church might marry a gay couple, but most state governments
don't recognize that union. Which means the couple doesn't get the rights
given to hetero married couples.
So the problem is not with marriage, it's with government benefits.
Benefits (and obligations) provided by marriage, i.e. it is about
marriage.
Instead
of engaging in an antagonistic war about marriage, why not go to bat for
benefits based on the merits of the need? It appears it is just a case of
jealous rage. It is tantamount to a bunch of hearing impaired people getting
upset and demanding that they get handicap parking spaces.
No, it is demanding a right granted to all other citizens.
The homosexual community has come up with so many different versions of why
two people of the same sex should be allowed to marry that no one really
gives them any respect for their position anymore. First it was love, then
it was benefits, then it was equality and here it is again, back to
benefits. If it's for love, get married, no one is stopping you.
Marriage is a legal contract.
If it is
for benefits, show the need and make the case. If it's for equality, show
the void and be prepared to prove the point with something other than
opinion, name calling and tantrums.
It is for benefits available to all other citizens, which makes it a
question of equality.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "chainsaw" |
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| Title: Re: Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality |
07 Apr 2005 05:44:59 PM |
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Michael Fierro wrote:
The whole idea is to create union equality.
Nothing that can't be addressed by a civil partnership contract.
Marriage is an institution between a d MAN and a WOMAN - period.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality |
07 Apr 2005 07:41:07 PM |
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"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
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Michael Fierro wrote:
The whole idea is to create union equality.
Nothing that can't be addressed by a civil partnership contract.
Marriage is an institution between a d MAN and a WOMAN - period.
....except in Massachusetts, Canada and a number of European countries.
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| User: "chainsaw" |
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| Title: Re: Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality |
07 Apr 2005 08:57:27 PM |
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Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
news:LJi5e.3686794$Zm5.591818@news.easynews.com...
Michael Fierro wrote:
The whole idea is to create union equality.
Nothing that can't be addressed by a civil partnership contract.
Marriage is an institution between a d MAN and a WOMAN - period.
...except in Massachusetts, Canada and a number of European countries.
That ain't "marriage" it's an abomination.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality |
08 Apr 2005 12:30:39 PM |
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"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
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Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
news:LJi5e.3686794$Zm5.591818@news.easynews.com...
Michael Fierro wrote:
The whole idea is to create union equality.
Nothing that can't be addressed by a civil partnership contract.
Marriage is an institution between a d MAN and a WOMAN - period.
...except in Massachusetts, Canada and a number of European countries.
That ain't "marriage" it's an abomination.
It's legal civil marriage. Take it up with the jurisdictions there.
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| User: "chainsaw" |
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| Title: Re: Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality |
08 Apr 2005 07:27:15 PM |
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Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
news:byl5e.3701614$Zm5.593670@news.easynews.com...
Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
news:LJi5e.3686794$Zm5.591818@news.easynews.com...
Michael Fierro wrote:
The whole idea is to create union equality.
Nothing that can't be addressed by a civil partnership contract.
Marriage is an institution between a d MAN and a WOMAN - period.
...except in Massachusetts, Canada and a number of European countries.
That ain't "marriage" it's an abomination.
It's legal
It's asinine.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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08 Apr 2005 07:33:16 PM |
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"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
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Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
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Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
news:LJi5e.3686794$Zm5.591818@news.easynews.com...
Michael Fierro wrote:
The whole idea is to create union equality.
Nothing that can't be addressed by a civil partnership contract.
Marriage is an institution between a d MAN and a WOMAN - period.
...except in Massachusetts, Canada and a number of European countries.
That ain't "marriage" it's an abomination.
It's legal
It's asinine.
[plonk]
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality |
09 Apr 2005 02:48:26 AM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:27:15 GMT, chainsaw <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote:
Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
news:byl5e.3701614$Zm5.593670@news.easynews.com...
Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
news:LJi5e.3686794$Zm5.591818@news.easynews.com...
Michael Fierro wrote:
The whole idea is to create union equality.
Nothing that can't be addressed by a civil partnership contract.
Marriage is an institution between a d MAN and a WOMAN - period.
...except in Massachusetts, Canada and a number of European countries.
That ain't "marriage" it's an abomination.
It's legal
It's asinine.
That is your personal feeling. On the other hand, contrary to
previous claims, same-sex marriage is an objective fact.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "chainsaw" |
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| Title: Re: Colorado Lawmaker Says Gay Marriage Promotes Bestiality |
09 Apr 2005 10:13:25 AM |
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thomas p wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:27:15 GMT, chainsaw <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote:
Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
news:byl5e.3701614$Zm5.593670@news.easynews.com...
Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"chainsaw" <xxx@ooo.biz> wrote in message
news:LJi5e.3686794$Zm5.591818@news.easynews.com...
Michael Fierro wrote:
The whole idea is to create union equality.
Nothing that can't be addressed by a civil partnership contract.
Marriage is an institution between a d MAN and a WOMAN - period.
...except in Massachusetts, Canada and a number of European countries.
That ain't "marriage" it's an abomination.
It's legal
It's asinine.
That is your personal feeling.
Me and most of America.
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