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"Jason Spaceman" |
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11 Feb 2005 06:30:55 AM |
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Columnist: Creationists still fighting evolution |
From the article:
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Slightly more than half of the American people reject evolution. During
the last decade, the General Social Survey conducted by National Opinion
Research Center (and directed by my colleague Dr. Tom M. Smith) has asked
whether a respondent thinks that humans are descended from animals.
Fifty-two percent said that either this was definitely not true or
probably not true.
Ever since they won the battle but lost the war in the Scopes trial of
1925, conservative Christians have waged an intensive war against
evolution. Despite repeated court decisions insisting that evolution must
be taught in high school classes, the conservative Christians have managed
to keep one form or another of "creationism" alive and well as an
alternative in the minds of many Americans -- including 62 percent of
African-American Christians, 52 percent of mainline Protestants, 42
percent of Catholics and 26 percent of Jews. (Seventy-eight percent of
Conservative Christians reject evolution).
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Read it at http://www.suntimes.com/output/greeley/cst-edt-greel11.html
J. Spaceman
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13 Feb 2005 06:04:29 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:Pine.BSO.4.58.0502110727530.31723
@darwin.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com:
Slightly more than half of the American people reject evolution.
The same half that voted for Bush?
Marc
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Feb 2005 06:09:26 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:04:29 GMT, "Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:Pine.BSO.4.58.0502110727530.31723
@darwin.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com:
Slightly more than half of the American people reject evolution.
The same half that voted for Bush?
Probably a very high correlation.
And worryingly, it looks as though the Democrats are to pander to that
vote too.
Marc
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15 Feb 2005 08:20:19 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:avqv01tn9nka0gs43tevet5rr3la2p8vsl@4ax.com:
And worryingly, it looks as though the Democrats are to pander to
that vote too.
Seems likely, politician seem to pander all the time.
Marc
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Feb 2005 05:27:22 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:20:19 GMT, "Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:avqv01tn9nka0gs43tevet5rr3la2p8vsl@4ax.com:
And worryingly, it looks as though the Democrats are to pander to
that vote too.
Seems likely, politician seem to pander all the time.
Panderful. :\
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "sparkup" |
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14 Feb 2005 04:29:22 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:avqv01tn9nka0gs43tevet5rr3la2p8vsl@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:04:29 GMT, "Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:Pine.BSO.4.58.0502110727530.31723
@darwin.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com:
Slightly more than half of the American people reject evolution.
The same half that voted for Bush?
Probably a very high correlation.
And worryingly, it looks as though the Democrats are to pander to that
vote too.
That is one of the problems with a democracy. Politicians are sometimes
elected based on the superstitition, misjudgement or misconceptions of
ordinary people.
The real problem with US democracy is that the politicians are bending over
backwards to coddle these same people.
The Republicans have been doing it for years, the Democrats are just getting
on board now.
A lack of principals in both parties is to blame.
Unfortunately, democracy is still the best system there is and you have to
take the rough with the smooth.
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| User: "sparkup" |
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14 Feb 2005 06:35:30 AM |
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"sparkup" <junk@mail.com> wrote in message
news:A3%Pd.47460$Z14.33407@news.indigo.ie...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:avqv01tn9nka0gs43tevet5rr3la2p8vsl@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:04:29 GMT, "Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:Pine.BSO.4.58.0502110727530.31723
@darwin.pr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com:
Slightly more than half of the American people reject evolution.
The same half that voted for Bush?
Probably a very high correlation.
And worryingly, it looks as though the Democrats are to pander to that
vote too.
That is one of the problems with a democracy. Politicians are sometimes
elected based on the superstitition, misjudgement or misconceptions of
ordinary people.
The real problem with US democracy is that the politicians are bending
over backwards to coddle these same people.
The Republicans have been doing it for years, the Democrats are just
getting on board now.
A lack of principals in both parties is to blame.
Should be prinicples. :)
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| User: "Larry Moran" |
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14 Feb 2005 07:41:01 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:29:22 -0000, sparkup <junk@mail.com> wrote:
That is one of the problems with a democracy. Politicians are sometimes
elected based on the superstitition, misjudgement or misconceptions of
ordinary people.
The real problem with US democracy is that the politicians are bending
over backwards to coddle these same people.
The Republicans have been doing it for years, the Democrats are just
getting on board now.
A lack of principals in both parties is to blame.
Unfortunately, democracy is still the best system there is and you have
to take the rough with the smooth.
There are other kinds of democracies. Some of them permit more than two
parties.
Larry Moran
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Feb 2005 04:59:30 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:41:01 +0000 (UTC),
lamoran@bioinfo.med.utoronto.ca (Larry Moran) wrote:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:29:22 -0000, sparkup <junk@mail.com> wrote:
That is one of the problems with a democracy. Politicians are sometimes
elected based on the superstitition, misjudgement or misconceptions of
ordinary people.
The real problem with US democracy is that the politicians are bending
over backwards to coddle these same people.
The Republicans have been doing it for years, the Democrats are just
getting on board now.
A lack of principals in both parties is to blame.
Unfortunately, democracy is still the best system there is and you have
to take the rough with the smooth.
There are other kinds of democracies. Some of them permit more than two
parties.
The US has one-the Rethugnicans with a Democrap sect.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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| Title: Re: Columnist: Creationists still fighting evolution |
11 Feb 2005 06:41:30 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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From the article: "Slightly more than half of the American people
reject evolution. "
I wish more Americans would see that this as a criticism of their
educational system rather than an argument against evolution.
RF
During
the last decade, the General Social Survey conducted by National
Opinion
Research Center (and directed by my colleague Dr. Tom M. Smith) has
asked
whether a respondent thinks that humans are descended from animals.
Fifty-two percent said that either this was definitely not true or
probably not true.
Ever since they won the battle but lost the war in the Scopes trial
of
1925, conservative Christians have waged an intensive war against
evolution. Despite repeated court decisions insisting that evolution
must
be taught in high school classes, the conservative Christians have
managed
to keep one form or another of "creationism" alive and well as an
alternative in the minds of many Americans -- including 62 percent of
African-American Christians, 52 percent of mainline Protestants, 42
percent of Catholics and 26 percent of Jews. (Seventy-eight percent
of
Conservative Christians reject evolution).
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Read it at
http://www.suntimes.com/output/greeley/cst-edt-greel11.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Advanced Claytons And Dragons" |
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11 Feb 2005 05:05:05 PM |
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"Richard Forrest" <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote in message
news:1108125690.929776.183210@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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From the article: "Slightly more than half of the American people
reject evolution. "
I wish more Americans would see that this as a criticism of their
educational system rather than an argument against evolution.
Hey, hey...don't you know? If Americans believe in something....THEN IT'S
TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now agree with them, or they'll blow your fucking head
off!!!!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Feb 2005 08:07:38 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:05:05 +1000, "Advanced Claytons And Dragons"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> said in alt.atheism:
Hey, hey...don't you know? If Americans believe in something....THEN IT'S
TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now agree with them, or they'll blow your fucking head
off!!!!
Nah! We'll just invade your country and force democracy on you,
whether you want it or not.
--
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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11 Feb 2005 08:31:37 AM |
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On 11 Feb 2005 04:41:30 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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From the article: "Slightly more than half of the American people
reject evolution. "
I wish more Americans would see that this as a criticism of their
educational system rather than an argument against evolution.
But anything American is the best in the world - by definition.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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11 Feb 2005 08:51:25 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2005 04:41:30 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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From the article: "Slightly more than half of the American people
reject evolution. "
I wish more Americans would see that this as a criticism of their
educational system rather than an argument against evolution.
But anything American is the best in the world - by definition.
So American penguins are the best penguins?
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Fiat lunch!
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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11 Feb 2005 10:55:22 PM |
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In article <1grvcng.b6a63o1p6bebqN%>,
(John Wilkins) wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2005 04:41:30 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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From the article: "Slightly more than half of the American people
reject evolution. "
I wish more Americans would see that this as a criticism of their
educational system rather than an argument against evolution.
But anything American is the best in the world - by definition.
So American penguins are the best penguins?
Surely. Let me dig up my mother's recipe for penguin a la orange.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "josh folden" |
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11 Feb 2005 10:06:11 AM |
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I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
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| User: "Mike Dunford" |
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11 Feb 2005 01:55:53 PM |
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On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
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| User: "Mike Dworetsky" |
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11 Feb 2005 04:55:20 PM |
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"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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12 Feb 2005 11:36:01 AM |
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In article < $nb7$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
And then their was the college girl who lost the election for class
president because the opposition started the rumor that she was a
thespian.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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12 Feb 2005 12:12:25 PM |
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Walter Bushell wrote:
In article < $nb7$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden"
<josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are
running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a
respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we
technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you
think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am
splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most
of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly,
this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by
on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever
let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question
involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
And then their was the college girl who lost the election for class
president because the opposition started the rumor that she was a
thespian.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
Someone set up a stand in a University campus promoting a campaign
against women's suffrage. Many women signed the petition.
RF
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14 Feb 2005 04:33:47 PM |
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On 12 Feb 2005 10:12:25 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
<richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article < $nb7$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden"
<josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are
running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a
respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we
technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you
think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am
splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most
of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly,
this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by
on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever
let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question
involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
And then their was the college girl who lost the election for class
president because the opposition started the rumor that she was a
thespian.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
Someone set up a stand in a University campus promoting a campaign
against women's suffrage. Many women signed the petition.
/thundering orator
Haven't the fine ladies of our town sufferaged enough?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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11 Feb 2005 05:12:42 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted him out
didn't know the words.
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| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
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12 Feb 2005 11:52:37 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted him out
didn't know the words.
A classic (don't know if anyone every really used it or not):
"My opponent tried to interest a 12-year-old boy in philately!"
Best, Marc
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Columnist: Creationists still fighting evolution |
12 Feb 2005 06:05:19 PM |
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In article <420E40F4.B903B0EE@athena.louisville.edu>,
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted him out
didn't know the words.
A classic (don't know if anyone every really used it or not):
"My opponent tried to interest a 12-year-old boy in philately!"
Best, Marc
That is something were are going to stamp out.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Feb 2005 04:25:25 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:05:19 -0500, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com>
wrote:
In article <420E40F4.B903B0EE@athena.louisville.edu>,
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted him out
didn't know the words.
A classic (don't know if anyone every really used it or not):
"My opponent tried to interest a 12-year-old boy in philately!"
Best, Marc
That is something were are going to stamp out.
Gotta lick it first.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Carl Kaufmann" |
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13 Feb 2005 01:14:32 AM |
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Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <420E40F4.B903B0EE@athena.louisville.edu>,
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted him out
didn't know the words.
A classic (don't know if anyone every really used it or not):
"My opponent tried to interest a 12-year-old boy in philately!"
Best, Marc
That is something were are going to stamp out.
And we're not going to stop until it's licked.
--
EAC Liar, Damned Liar, and Statistician
alt.atheist #1966
"Statistical thinking will one day be as necessary for efficient
citizenship as the ability to read and write." - H.G. Wells
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| User: "josephus" |
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| Title: Re: Columnist: Creationists still fighting evolution |
13 Feb 2005 01:57:22 AM |
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Carl Kaufmann wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <420E40F4.B903B0EE@athena.louisville.edu>,
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever let your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted him out
didn't know the words.
A classic (don't know if anyone every really used it or not):
"My opponent tried to interest a 12-year-old boy in philately!"
Best, Marc
That is something were are going to stamp out.
And we're not going to stop until it's licked.
what have you got against vocabularies? filately-- do you think it is
wise to make creationists think you are talking dirty? filatelists are
innocent. next it will be numismatiscists. you know the YEC folks, to
coin a term, will think it is about mathematics.
josephus
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Columnist: Creationists still fighting evolution |
13 Feb 2005 03:09:24 AM |
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In article <CLDPd.424$W%5.293@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
josephus <dogbird@earthlink.net> wrote:
Carl Kaufmann wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <420E40F4.B903B0EE@athena.louisville.edu>,
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden" <josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries are
running
circles around the american scientific/engineering educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human. Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you ever let
your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the question
involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted him out
didn't know the words.
A classic (don't know if anyone every really used it or not):
"My opponent tried to interest a 12-year-old boy in philately!"
Best, Marc
That is something were are going to stamp out.
And we're not going to stop until it's licked.
what have you got against vocabularies? filately-- do you think it is
wise to make creationists think you are talking dirty? filatelists are
innocent. next it will be numismatiscists. you know the YEC folks, to
coin a term, will think it is about mathematics.
josephus
What have you done for us philatelists filately?
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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| Title: Re: Columnist: Creationists still fighting evolution |
20 Feb 2005 02:01:21 AM |
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Virgil wrote:
In article <CLDPd.424$W%5.293@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
josephus <dogbird@earthlink.net> wrote:
Carl Kaufmann wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <420E40F4.B903B0EE@athena.louisville.edu>,
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden"
<josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy countries
are
running
circles around the american scientific/engineering
educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a
respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we
technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do you
think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am
splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that
most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human.
Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random
passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you
ever let
your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would
answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the
question
involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America
of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his
wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted him
out
didn't know the words.
A classic (don't know if anyone every really used it or not):
"My opponent tried to interest a 12-year-old boy in philately!"
Best, Marc
That is something were are going to stamp out.
And we're not going to stop until it's licked.
what have you got against vocabularies? filately-- do you think it
is
wise to make creationists think you are talking dirty?
filatelists are
innocent. next it will be numismatiscists. you know the YEC folks,
to
coin a term, will think it is about mathematics.
josephus
What have you done for us philatelists filately?
Why should anyone do anything for philatelists? Did nobody tell you
that philately will get you nowhere?
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| User: "RAM" |
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| Title: Re: Columnist: Creationists still fighting evolution |
20 Feb 2005 04:07:55 PM |
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Richard Forrest wrote:
Virgil wrote:
In article <CLDPd.424$W%5.293@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
josephus <dogbird@earthlink.net> wrote:
Carl Kaufmann wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <420E40F4.B903B0EE@athena.louisville.edu>,
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Mike Dunford" <mdunford@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c73q019v9obj99pmmn3vkhk54s6819n04c@4ax.com...
On 11 Feb 2005 08:06:11 -0800, "josh folden"
<josh.folden@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with the above sentiments. other wealthy
countries
are
running
circles around the american scientific/engineering
educational
standards (and as a result, students).
a thought on the survey: did it really ask " whether a
respondent
thinks that humans are descended from animals"? aren't we
technically
animals anyways? I would be satisfied if it asked: "Do
you
think
humans desended from a non homo sapien?" or perhaps i am
splitting
hairs?
You're not splitting hairs. You are, however, assuming that
most of
the respondents would know that _Homo_sapiens_ = human.
Sadly, this is
not a safe assumption.
--Mike Dunford
Is this like the old Steve Allen routine, where random
passers-by on the
street would be interviewed on camera, and asked, "Would you
ever let
your
daughter date a confirmed Homo Sapiens?" About 50% would
answer,
"Absolutely not!"
(In the original, done in the late 50s or early 60s, the
question
involved
"confirmed heterosexual".)
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America
of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his
wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted
him
out
didn't know the words.
A classic (don't know if anyone every really used it or not):
"My opponent tried to interest a 12-year-old boy in
philately!"
Best, Marc
That is something were are going to stamp out.
And we're not going to stop until it's licked.
what have you got against vocabularies? filately-- do you think
it
is
wise to make creationists think you are talking dirty?
filatelists are
innocent. next it will be numismatiscists. you know the YEC
folks,
to
coin a term, will think it is about mathematics.
josephus
What have you done for us philatelists filately?
Why should anyone do anything for philatelists? Did nobody tell you
that philately will get you nowhere?
You are antiphilatelist and wrong!
Philately is the collection of preserved saliva on intelligently
designed colorful paper.
And you can go to the post with it!
RAM
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| User: "Victor Eijkhout" |
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12 Feb 2005 03:42:09 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
Alistair Cooke once told a story on BBC's Letter From America of a
politician who was voted out because of things like "and his wife is a
thespian". All of which were true but the morons who voted him out
didn't know the words.
Like this?
http://gis.washington.edu/~phurvitz/outgoing/bustagut/Non-SlanderousPoli
ticalSmearSpeech.htm
V.
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email: lastname at cs utk edu
homepage: www cs utk edu tilde lastname
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