Religions > Atheism > Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science
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"Jason Spaceman" |
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19 Jan 2005 08:26:46 AM |
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Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science |
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I wrapped up my little visit to the Museum of Creation and Earth
History in Santee and walked into the gift shop in time to hear a
customer assuring the clerk that the Smithsonian in Washington has
actual pieces of Noah's ark but won't admit it and won't let anyone
near them.
Keep in mind I'd just seen "proof" that the Earth is no older than
about 10,000 years, that man and dinosaurs coexisted before a flood
that not only created the Grand Canyon but put the final score at
humans (Noah and kin) 1, dinosaurs 0. After all that, the bit about
the Smithsonian nearly sent me into a faint. I needed someone to
deliver a couple of "quick, snap out of it, girl" taps with a copy of
Scientific American.
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Read it at
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-morrison19jan19,1,6510279.column?coll=la-news-comment-opinions&ctrack=1&cset=true
or http://tinyurl.com/6cap4
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Alan Jeffery" |
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| Title: Re: Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science |
19 Jan 2005 09:07:54 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:ra6su0ptsrd5vps4u62m2bm0f5oj1e3p0e@4ax.com...
From the article:
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I wrapped up my little visit to the Museum of Creation and Earth
History in Santee and walked into the gift shop in time to hear a
customer assuring the clerk that the Smithsonian in Washington has
actual pieces of Noah's ark but won't admit it and won't let anyone
near them.
Keep in mind I'd just seen "proof" that the Earth is no older than
about 10,000 years, that man and dinosaurs coexisted before a flood
that not only created the Grand Canyon but put the final score at
humans (Noah and kin) 1, dinosaurs 0. After all that, the bit about
the Smithsonian nearly sent me into a faint. I needed someone to
deliver a couple of "quick, snap out of it, girl" taps with a copy of
Scientific American.
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Read it at
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-morrison19jan19,1,65102
79.column?coll=la-news-comment-opinions&ctrack=1&cset=true
or http://tinyurl.com/6cap4
I found this sentence concerning:
"Science and faith should always be at odds."
To me that smacks of the Huxley approach to religion as being "opposed" to
science. If that is a common belief among "secularists" (at leat those in
the public arena) then conflict, rather than moderation, are likely to
continue.
Alan Jeffery
J. Spaceman
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| User: "ošin" |
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| Title: Re: Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science |
19 Jan 2005 09:39:39 PM |
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I found this sentence concerning:
"Science and faith should always be at odds."
I think that science and faith are at odds. The idea behind science is
creative thought (hypothesis) followed by due diligence (experiment). Good
science is never about faith (rigid dogmatic insistence on an arbitrary
world view). Good science never has total faith in the current consensus,
but is always flexible to new ideas that might improve our mental model of
reality.
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| User: "Alan Jeffery" |
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| Title: Re: Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science |
19 Jan 2005 11:41:27 PM |
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"ošin" <ošin@ragnarok.com> wrote in message
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I found this sentence concerning:
"Science and faith should always be at odds."
I think that science and faith are at odds. The idea behind science is
creative thought (hypothesis) followed by due diligence (experiment). Good
science is never about faith (rigid dogmatic insistence on an arbitrary
world view). Good science never has total faith in the current consensus,
but is always flexible to new ideas that might improve our mental model of
reality.
You are confirming my belief. Your definition of faith illustrates that.
The OE dict's definition (in part) is as follows:
"faith, n. Reliance, trust, in; belief founded on authority,..(theol) belief
in religious doctrines, esp such as affects character and and conduct,
spiritual apprehension of divine truth apart from proof....."
So. while faith can lead the position you posit, it is not automatic. BTW I
think the problem with the fundies is that they actually lack faith ( in the
theological sense), but have it in the everyday sense (the first part of the
definition). They are also the result of a cultural context. And that
cultural context needs to be understood, not just denigrated. That is the
mistake liberals made after the Scopes Trial. Yeah, well, we won. Now we
can go to sleep. And then made again after the Arkansas decision. The
problem is the so-called educated folks are making no attempt to understand
the so-called ignoramuses. Such a division is likely to result in tears.
Especially as moderates are so confident in their rightness that they make
no attempt to band together and "repel boarders". The fundies have learnt
better.
Alan Jeffery
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science |
19 Jan 2005 12:25:06 PM |
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I very strongly disagree with the 4TH to last paragraph.
As one who was there, I saw nothing stealthily in the
Vista School-board Creationists. They were open
about their aims even before their election, but no
one was listening. After the creationist attempts in
Vista failed, there were some other attempts to hijack
school boards in San Diego County with stealth
candidates who did not announce their far right
wing agenda as they ran for office.
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science |
21 Jan 2005 09:47:12 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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I wrapped up my little visit to the Museum of Creation and Earth
History in Santee and walked into the gift shop in time to hear a
customer assuring the clerk that the Smithsonian in Washington has
actual pieces of Noah's ark but won't admit it and won't let anyone
near them.
Keep in mind I'd just seen "proof" that the Earth is no older than
about 10,000 years, that man and dinosaurs coexisted before a flood
that not only created the Grand Canyon but put the final score at
humans (Noah and kin) 1, dinosaurs 0. After all that, the bit about
the Smithsonian nearly sent me into a faint. I needed someone to
deliver a couple of "quick, snap out of it, girl" taps with a copy of
Scientific American.
The pieces are stored in the same building as the Ark.
--
Only idiots and the young fight wars if they are not attacked.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3346
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science |
22 Jan 2005 01:58:21 AM |
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Are you saying that the Ark of the Covenant and pieces of Noah's
Ark are stored in same U.S. government building? Do you think
they got Iraq's WMDs there? Gee, I'll bet they do an autopsy there
on the dead bodies of the Roswell UFO pilots every second
Wednesday, too.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science |
22 Jan 2005 07:51:45 PM |
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On 21 Jan 2005 17:58:21 -0800, "Roger Coppock" <rcoppock@adnc.com> wrote:
Are you saying that the Ark of the Covenant and pieces of Noah's
Ark are stored in same U.S. government building? Do you think
they got Iraq's WMDs there? Gee, I'll bet they do an autopsy there
on the dead bodies of the Roswell UFO pilots every second
Wednesday, too.
This is preposterous! The EAC, is in no way connected with the US government,
or any other governm...H^H^H^H^H Err, or it wouldn't be, if it existed, which
it doesn't. Anywhere. Any time. It is just rumors, ignore the man
behind the curtain. ( :-) BAA. Sheepish grin?
Oh *****! where IS that damn Black Helicopter, detector?
<me\adopts casual, friendly tone> So where did you hear about the autopsies?
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Puck Greenman
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
January 27th
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: Commentary: A Museum That Lies Far, Far Off the Path of Science |
25 Jan 2005 05:48:39 AM |
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Roger Coppock wrote:
Are you saying that the Ark of the Covenant and pieces of Noah's
Ark are stored in same U.S. government building? Do you think
they got Iraq's WMDs there? Gee, I'll bet they do an autopsy there
on the dead bodies of the Roswell UFO pilots every second
Wednesday, too.
Don't know about Roswell but they do have the skull of Jesus from when he was
12 years old. The Kremlin has the 18 year old skull and that fight nearly
started WWIII when the Zeti Reticuliians tried to claim it.
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Americans hold their children to higher standards
than they hold their president.
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