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Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
This book has been organized around the most powerful arguments that
evolutionists can muster (quoting the salient points of PBS and Scientific
American) against the best arguments of creationists. Too often, both sides
get sidetracked on bad arguments. We believe that all Bible-believers should
have solid answers about the real issues of the debate (e.g., two worldviews
are in conflict; we disagree about interpretation, not the facts
themselves).
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17 May 2004 03:49:15 PM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> on 16 May 2004
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This book has been organized around the most powerful arguments that
evolutionists can muster (quoting the salient points of PBS and
Scientific American) against the best arguments of creationists. Too
often, both sides get sidetracked on bad arguments. We believe that
all Bible-believers should have solid answers about the real issues of
the debate (e.g., two worldviews are in conflict; we disagree about
interpretation, not the facts themselves).
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/RE2/appendix1.asp
bwa. <plonk> since you keep showing up.
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| User: "+Church of The Painful Truth+" |
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| Title: Re: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
17 May 2004 08:44:33 PM |
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"R.Schenck" <nygdan_morteauxspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> on 16 May 2004
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This book has been organized around the most powerful arguments that
evolutionists can muster (quoting the salient points of PBS and
Scientific American) against the best arguments of creationists. Too
often, both sides get sidetracked on bad arguments. We believe that
all Bible-believers should have solid answers about the real issues of
the debate (e.g., two worldviews are in conflict; we disagree about
interpretation, not the facts themselves).
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/RE2/appendix1.asp
bwa. <plonk> since you keep showing up.
WRITTEN RULES OF ATHEISM
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom from religion", but whenever
followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream
"Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than
be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of atheisms failure for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to yourself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of no ones plans
for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of being a
vertabrate monkey out of the premordial slugde
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as right wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything because you have no moral
compass guiding you.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
16 May 2004 11:21:00 PM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote
This book has been organized around the most powerful
arguments that evolutionists can muster
"Evidence" is not an argument.
(quoting the salient points of PBS and Scientific American)
Watered-down and meant for mass consumption?
against the best arguments of creationists.
Since when does whishful thinking constitute an argument?
Too often, both sides get sidetracked on bad arguments.
Science is based on *Evidence*, not arguments.
Too bad you morons can't figure that out...
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
17 May 2004 11:10:55 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote
This book has been organized around the most powerful
arguments that evolutionists can muster
"Evidence" is not an argument.
(quoting the salient points of PBS and Scientific American)
Watered-down and meant for mass consumption?
against the best arguments of creationists.
Since when does whishful thinking constitute an argument?
Too often, both sides get sidetracked on bad arguments.
Science is based on *Evidence*, not arguments.
In fact 'science' is pretty much based on argument or opinion, seldom on
'evidence', only on interpretation thereof, which is not evidence.
Too bad you morons can't figure that out...
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
17 May 2004 11:36:04 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote
In fact 'science' is pretty much based on argument or
opinion, seldom on 'evidence', only on interpretation
thereof, which is not evidence.
You're babbling.
You're "position" requires us to see you as an authority,
someone with the power to merely dictate reality.
Another way of putting: I see a lot of gum flapping and
not anything backing it up. You're shooting blanks.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
19 May 2004 07:38:35 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote
In fact 'science' is pretty much based on argument or
opinion, seldom on 'evidence', only on interpretation
thereof, which is not evidence.
You're babbling.
You're "position" requires us to see you as an authority,
someone with the power to merely dictate reality.
Another way of putting: I see a lot of gum flapping and
not anything backing it up. You're shooting blanks.
You choose to not open up your eyes, so there is nothing else to say, now is
there.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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19 May 2004 06:43:43 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote
You choose to not open up your eyes,
Pretty ironic, coming from someone who divorces the
scientific process from science...
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
24 May 2004 11:09:20 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote
You choose to not open up your eyes,
Pretty ironic, coming from someone who divorces the
scientific process from science...
And keep 'em closed..... You are quite wrong about that you know, you give
me..... opinion....
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| User: "Mikey Brass" |
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| Title: Re: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
19 May 2004 07:50:26 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
news:7GIqc.59505$mU6.239248@newsb.telia.net:
You choose to not open up your eyes, so there is nothing else to say,
now is there.
Then I am sure you are familiar with some of the below articles and would
opt to discuss the contents of them instead of inane replies.
Ahearn, J. N. 1980. Evolution of behavioral reproductive isolation in
a laboratory stock of Drosophila silvestris. Experientia. 36:63-64.
Barton, N. H., J. S. Jones and J. Mallet. 1988. No barriers to
speciation. Nature. 336:13-14.
Baum, D. 1992. Phylogenetic species concepts. Trends in Ecology and
Evolution. 7:1-3.
Boraas, M. E. 1983. Predator induced evolution in chemostat culture.
EOS. Transactions of the American Geophysical Union. 64:1102.
Breeuwer, J. A. J. and J. H. Werren. 1990. Microorganisms associated
with chromosome destruction and reproductive isolation between two
insect species. Nature. 346:558-560.
Budd, A. F. and B. D. Mishler. 1990. Species and evolution in clonal
organisms -- a summary and discussion. Systematic Botany 15:166-171.
Bullini, L. and G. Nascetti. 1990. Speciation by hybridization in
phasmids and other insects. Canadian Journal of Zoology. 68:1747-
1760.
Butters, F. K. 1941. Hybrid Woodsias in Minnesota. Amer. Fern. J.
31:15-21.
Butters, F. K. and R. M. Tryon, jr. 1948. A fertile mutant of a
Woodsia hybrid. American Journal of Botany. 35:138.
Brock, T. D. and M. T. Madigan. 1988. Biology of Microorganisms (5th
edition). Prentice Hall, Englewood, NJ.
Callaghan, C. A. 1987. Instances of observed speciation. The American
Biology Teacher. 49:3436.
Castenholz, R. W. 1992. Species usage, concept, and evolution in the
cyanobacteria (blue-green algae). Journal of Phycology 28:737-745.
Clausen, J., D. D. Keck and W. M. Hiesey. 1945. Experimental studies
on the nature of species. II. Plant evolution through amphiploidy and
autoploidy, with examples from the Madiinae. Carnegie Institute
Washington Publication, 564:1-174.
Cracraft, J. 1989. Speciation and its ontology: the empirical
consequences of alternative species concepts for understanding
patterns and processes of differentiation. In Otte, E. and J. A.
Endler [eds.] Speciation and its consequences. Sinauer Associates,
Sunderland, MA. pp. 28-59.
Craig, T. P., J. K. Itami, W. G. Abrahamson and J. D. Horner. 1993.
Behavioral evidence for host-race fromation in Eurosta solidaginis.
Evolution. 47:1696-1710.
Cronquist, A. 1978. Once again, what is a species? Biosystematics in
agriculture. Beltsville Symposia in Agricultural Research 2:3-20.
Cronquist, A. 1988. The evolution and classification of flowering
plants (2nd edition). The New York Botanical Garden, Bronx, NY.
Crossley, S. A. 1974. Changes in mating behavior produced by
selection for ethological isolation between ebony and vestigial
mutants of Drosophilia melanogaster. Evolution. 28:631-647.
de Oliveira, A. K. and A. R. Cordeiro. 1980. Adaptation of Drosophila
willistoni experimental populations to extreme pH medium. II.
Development of incipient reproductive isolation. Heredity. 44:123-
130.
de Queiroz, K. and M. Donoghue. 1988. Phylogenetic systematics and
the species problem. Cladistics. 4:317-338.
de Queiroz, K. and M. Donoghue. 1990. Phylogenetic systematics and
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"The Antiquity of Man" http://www.antiquityofman.com
Book: "The Antiquity of Man: Artifactual, fossil and gene records
explored"
- "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would
it?"
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| Title: Re: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
21 May 2004 06:50:47 PM |
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"Mikey Brass" <mike@bed.uk.clara.net> wrote in message
news:Xns94EE8DE4575B2mikeantiquityofmanco@195.245.201.150...
"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
news:7GIqc.59505$mU6.239248@newsb.telia.net:
You choose to not open up your eyes, so there is nothing else to say,
now is there.
Then I am sure you are familiar with some of the below articles and would
opt to discuss the contents of them instead of inane replies.
So, you want your authorities do the talking for you.
Ahearn, J. N. 1980. Evolution of behavioral reproductive isolation in
a laboratory stock of Drosophila silvestris. Experientia. 36:63-64.
Barton, N. H., J. S. Jones and J. Mallet. 1988. No barriers to
speciation. Nature. 336:13-14.
Baum, D. 1992. Phylogenetic species concepts. Trends in Ecology and
Evolution. 7:1-3.
Boraas, M. E. 1983. Predator induced evolution in chemostat culture.
EOS. Transactions of the American Geophysical Union. 64:1102.
Breeuwer, J. A. J. and J. H. Werren. 1990. Microorganisms associated
with chromosome destruction and reproductive isolation between two
insect species. Nature. 346:558-560.
Budd, A. F. and B. D. Mishler. 1990. Species and evolution in clonal
organisms -- a summary and discussion. Systematic Botany 15:166-171.
Bullini, L. and G. Nascetti. 1990. Speciation by hybridization in
phasmids and other insects. Canadian Journal of Zoology. 68:1747-
1760.
Butters, F. K. 1941. Hybrid Woodsias in Minnesota. Amer. Fern. J.
31:15-21.
Butters, F. K. and R. M. Tryon, jr. 1948. A fertile mutant of a
Woodsia hybrid. American Journal of Botany. 35:138.
Brock, T. D. and M. T. Madigan. 1988. Biology of Microorganisms (5th
edition). Prentice Hall, Englewood, NJ.
Callaghan, C. A. 1987. Instances of observed speciation. The American
Biology Teacher. 49:3436.
Castenholz, R. W. 1992. Species usage, concept, and evolution in the
cyanobacteria (blue-green algae). Journal of Phycology 28:737-745.
Clausen, J., D. D. Keck and W. M. Hiesey. 1945. Experimental studies
on the nature of species. II. Plant evolution through amphiploidy and
autoploidy, with examples from the Madiinae. Carnegie Institute
Washington Publication, 564:1-174.
Cracraft, J. 1989. Speciation and its ontology: the empirical
consequences of alternative species concepts for understanding
patterns and processes of differentiation. In Otte, E. and J. A.
Endler [eds.] Speciation and its consequences. Sinauer Associates,
Sunderland, MA. pp. 28-59.
Craig, T. P., J. K. Itami, W. G. Abrahamson and J. D. Horner. 1993.
Behavioral evidence for host-race fromation in Eurosta solidaginis.
Evolution. 47:1696-1710.
Cronquist, A. 1978. Once again, what is a species? Biosystematics in
agriculture. Beltsville Symposia in Agricultural Research 2:3-20.
Cronquist, A. 1988. The evolution and classification of flowering
plants (2nd edition). The New York Botanical Garden, Bronx, NY.
Crossley, S. A. 1974. Changes in mating behavior produced by
selection for ethological isolation between ebony and vestigial
mutants of Drosophilia melanogaster. Evolution. 28:631-647.
de Oliveira, A. K. and A. R. Cordeiro. 1980. Adaptation of Drosophila
willistoni experimental populations to extreme pH medium. II.
Development of incipient reproductive isolation. Heredity. 44:123-
130.
de Queiroz, K. and M. Donoghue. 1988. Phylogenetic systematics and
the species problem. Cladistics. 4:317-338.
de Queiroz, K. and M. Donoghue. 1990. Phylogenetic systematics and
species revisited. Cladistics. 6:83-90.
de Vries, H. 1905. Species and varieties, their origin by mutation.
de Wet, J. M. J. 1971. Polyploidy and evolution in plants. Taxon.
20:29-35.
del Solar, E. 1966. Sexual isolation caused by selection for positive
and negative phototaxis and geotaxis in Drosophila pseudoobscura.
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US). 56:484-487.
Digby, L. 1912. The cytology of Primula kewensis and of other related
Primula hybrids. Ann. Bot. 26:357-388.
Dobzhansky, T. 1937. Genetics and the origin of species. Columbia
University Press, New York.
Dobzhansky, T. 1951. Genetics and the origin of species (3rd
edition). Columbia University Press, New York.
Dobzhansky, T. and O. Pavlovsky. 1971. Experimentally created
incipient species of Drosophila. Nature. 230:289-292.
Dobzhansky, T. 1972. Species of Drosophila: new excitement in an old
field. Science. 177:664-669.
Dodd, D. M. B. 1989. Reproductive isolation as a consequence of
adaptive divergence in Drosophila melanogaster. Evolution 43:1308-
1311.
Dodd, D. M. B. and J. R. Powell. 1985. Founder-flush speciation: an
update of experimental results with Drosophila. Evolution 39:1388-
1392.
Donoghue, M. J. 1985. A critique of the biological species concept
and recommendations for a phylogenetic alternative. Bryologist 88:172-
181.
Du Rietz, G. E. 1930. The fundamental units of biological taxonomy.
Svensk. Bot. Tidskr. 24:333-428.
Ehrman, E. 1971. Natural selection for the origin of reproductive
isolation. The American Naturalist. 105:479-483.
Ehrman, E. 1973. More on natural selection for the origin of
reproductive isolation. The American Naturalist. 107:318-319.
Feder, J. L., C. A. Chilcote and G. L. Bush. 1988. Genetic
differentiation between sympatric host races of the apple maggot fly,
Rhagoletis pomonella. Nature. 336:61-64.
Feder, J. L. and G. L. Bush. 1989. A field test of differential host-
plant usage between two sibling species of Rhagoletis pomonella fruit
flies (Diptera:Tephritidae) and its consequences for sympatric models
of speciation. Evolution 43:1813-1819.
Frandsen, K. J. 1943. The experimental formation of Brassica juncea
Czern. et Coss. Dansk. Bot. Arkiv., No. 4, 11:1-17.
Frandsen, K. J. 1947. The experimental formation of Brassica napus L.
var. oleifera DC and Brassica carinata Braun. Dansk. Bot. Arkiv., No.
7, 12:1-16.
Galiana, A., A. Moya and F. J. Alaya. 1993. Founder-flush speciation
in Drosophila pseudoobscura: a large scale experiment. Evolution.
47432-444.
Gottleib, L. D. 1973. Genetic differentiation, sympatric speciation,
and the origin of a diploid species of Stephanomeira. American
Journal of Botany. 60: 545-553.
Halliburton, R. and G. A. E. Gall. 1981. Disruptive selection and
assortative mating in Tribolium castaneum. Evolution. 35:829-843.
Hurd, L. E., and R. M. Eisenberg. 1975. Divergent selection for
geotactic response and evolution of reproductive isolation in
sympatric and allopatric populations of houseflies. The American
Naturalist. 109:353-358.
Karpchenko, G. D. 1927. Polyploid hybrids of Raphanus sativus L. X
Brassica oleraceae L. Bull. Appl. Botany. 17:305-408.
Karpchenko, G. D. 1928. Polyploid hybrids of Raphanus sativus L. X
Brassica oleraceae L. Z. Indukt. Abstami-a Verenbungsi. 48:1-85.
Kilias, G., S. N. Alahiotis and M. Delecanos. 1980. A multifactorial
investigation of speciation theory using Drosophila melanogaster.
Evolution. 34:730-737.
Knight, G. R., A. Robertson and C. H. Waddington. 1956. Selection for
sexual isolation within a species. Evolution. 10:14-22.
Koopman, K. F. 1950. Natural selection for reproductive isolation
between Drosophila pseudoobscura and Drosophila persimilis.
Evolution. 4:135-148.
Lee, R. E. 1989. Phycology (2nd edition) Cambridge University Press,
Cambridge, UK
Levin, D. A. 1979. The nature of plant species. Science 204:381-384.
Lokki, J. and A. Saura. 1980. Polyploidy in insect evolution. In: W.
H. Lewis (ed.) Polyploidy: Biological Relevance. Plenum Press, New
York.
Macnair, M. R. 1981. Tolerance of higher plants to toxic materials.
In: J. A. Bishop and L. M. Cook (eds.). Genetic consequences of man
made change. Pp.177-297. Academic Press, New York.
Macnair, M. R. and P. Christie. 1983. Reproductive isolation as a
pleiotropic effect of copper tolerance in Mimulus guttatus. Heredity.
50:295-302.
Manhart, J. R. and R. M. McCourt. 1992. Molecular data and species
concepts in the algae. Journal of Phycology. 28:730-737.
Mayr, E. 1942. Systematics and the origin of species from the
viewpoint of a zoologist. Columbia University Press, New York.
Mayr, E. 1982. The growth of biological thought: diversity, evolution
and inheritance. Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA. McCourt, R.
M. and R. W. Hoshaw. 1990. Noncorrespondence of breeding groups,
morphology and monophyletic groups in Spirogyra (Zygnemataceae;
Chlorophyta) and the application of species concepts. Systematic
Botany. 15:69-78.
McPheron, B. A., D. C. Smith and S. H. Berlocher. 1988. Genetic
differentiation between host races of Rhagoletis pomonella. Nature.
336:64-66.
Meffert, L. M. and E. H. Bryant. 1991. Mating propensity and
courtship behavior in serially bottlenecked lines of the housefly.
Evolution 45:293-306.
Mishler, B. D. 1985. The morphological, developmental and
phylogenetic basis of species concepts in the bryophytes. Bryologist.
88:207-214.
Mishler, B. D. and M. J. Donoghue. 1982. Species concepts: a case for
pluralism. Systematic Zoology. 31:491-503.
Muntzing, A. 1932. Cytogenetic investigations on the synthetic
Galeopsis tetrahit. Hereditas. 16:105-154.
Nelson, G. 1989. Cladistics and evolutionary models. Cladistics.
5:275-289.
Newton, W. C. F. and C. Pellew. 1929. Primula kewensis and its
derivatives. J. Genetics. 20:405-467.
Otte, E. and J. A. Endler (eds.). 1989. Speciation and its
consequences. Sinauer Associates. Sunderland, MA.
Owenby, M. 1950. Natural hybridization and amphiploidy in the genus
Tragopogon. Am. J. Bot. 37:487-499.
Pasterniani, E. 1969. Selection for reproductive isolation between
two populations of maize, Zea mays L. Evolution. 23:534-547.
Powell, J. R. 1978. The founder-flush speciation theory: an
experimental approach. Evolution. 32:465-474.
Prokopy, R. J., S. R. Diehl, and S. H. Cooley. 1988. Oecologia.
76:138.
Rabe, E. W. and C. H. Haufler. 1992. Incipient polyploid speciation
in the maidenhair fern (Adiantum pedatum, adiantaceae)? American
Journal of Botany. 79:701-707.
Rice, W. R. 1985. Disruptive selection on habitat preference and the
evolution of reproductive isolation: an exploratory experiment.
Evolution. 39:645-646.
Rice, W. R. and E. E. Hostert. 1993. Laboratory experiments on
speciation: What have we learned in forty years? Evolution. 47:1637-
1653.
Rice, W. R. and G. W. Salt. 1988. Speciation via disruptive selection
on habitat preference: experimental evidence. The American
Naturalist. 131:911-917.
Rice, W. R. and G. W. Salt. 1990. The evolution of reproductive
isolation as a correlated character under sympatric conditions:
experimental evidence. Evolution. 44:1140-1152.
Ringo, J., D. Wood, R. Rockwell, and H. Dowse. 1989. An experiment
testing two hypotheses of speciation. The American Naturalist.
126:642-661.
Schluter, D. and L. M. Nagel. 1995. Parallel speciation by natural
selection. American Naturalist. 146:292-301.
Shikano, S., L. S. Luckinbill and Y. Kurihara. 1990. Changes of
traits in a bacterial population associated with protozoal predation.
Microbial Ecology. 20:75-84.
Smith, D. C. 1988. Heritable divergence of Rhagoletis pomonella host
races by seasonal asynchrony. Nature. 336:66-67.
Soans, A. B., D. Pimentel and J. S. Soans. 1974. Evolution of
reproductive isolation in allopatric and sympatric populations. The
American Naturalist. 108:117-124.
Sokal, R. R. and T. J. Crovello. 1970. The biological species
concept: a critical evaluation. The American Naturalist. 104:127-153.
Soltis, D. E. and P. S. Soltis. 1989. Allopolyploid speciation in
Tragopogon: Insights from chloroplast DNA. American Journal of
Botany. 76:1119-1124.
Stuessy, T. F. 1990. Plant taxonomy. Columbia University Press, New
York.
Thoday, J. M. and J. B. Gibson. 1962. Isolation by disruptive
selection. Nature. 193:1164-1166.
Thoday, J. M. and J. B. Gibson. 1970. The probability of isolation by
disruptive selection. The American Naturalist. 104:219-230.
Thompson, J. N. 1987. Symbiont-induced speciation. Biological Journal
of the Linnean Society. 32:385-393.
Vrijenhoek, R. C. 1994. Unisexual fish: Model systems for studying
ecology and evolution. Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics.
25:71-96.
Waring, G. L., W. G. Abrahamson and D. J. Howard. 1990. Genetic
differentiation in the gall former Eurosta solidaginis
(Diptera:Tephritidae) along host plant lines. Evolution. 44:1648-
1655.
Weinberg, J. R., V. R. Starczak and P. Jora. 1992. Evidence for rapid
speciation following a founder event in the laboratory. Evolution.
46:1214-1220.
Wood, A. M. and T. Leatham. 1992. The species concept in
phytoplankton ecology. Journal of Phycology. 28:723-729.
Yen, J. H. and A. R. Barr. 1971. New hypotheses of the cause of
cytoplasmic incompatability in Culex pipiens L.
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MA in Archaeology student
"The Antiquity of Man" http://www.antiquityofman.com
Book: "The Antiquity of Man: Artifactual, fossil and gene records
explored"
- "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would
it?"
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You choose to not open up your eyes, so there is nothing else to
say, now is there.
Then I am sure you are familiar with some of the below articles and
would opt to discuss the contents of them instead of inane replies.
So, you want your authorities do the talking for you.
HHUUUHHHHHH ????????????? I have no wish to spoon-feed you. You have the
references; come back when you have located one and wish to discuss its
contents.
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MA in Archaeology student
"The Antiquity of Man" http://www.antiquityofman.com
Book: "The Antiquity of Man: Artifactual, fossil and gene records explored"
- "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would
it?"
(Albert Einstein)
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Mikey Brass" <mike@bed.uk.clara.net> wrote in message
news:Xns94EE8DE4575B2mikeantiquityofmanco@195.245.201.150...
"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
news:7GIqc.59505$mU6.239248@newsb.telia.net:
You choose to not open up your eyes, so there is nothing else to say,
now is there.
Then I am sure you are familiar with some of the below articles and
would
opt to discuss the contents of them instead of inane replies.
So, you want your authorities do the talking for you.
So, if you have health issues, you would disregard the findings of a medical
doctor?
Ahearn, J. N. 1980. Evolution of behavioral reproductive isolation in
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Sunderland, MA. pp. 28-59.
Craig, T. P., J. K. Itami, W. G. Abrahamson and J. D. Horner. 1993.
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agriculture. Beltsville Symposia in Agricultural Research 2:3-20.
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Crossley, S. A. 1974. Changes in mating behavior produced by
selection for ethological isolation between ebony and vestigial
mutants of Drosophilia melanogaster. Evolution. 28:631-647.
de Oliveira, A. K. and A. R. Cordeiro. 1980. Adaptation of Drosophila
willistoni experimental populations to extreme pH medium. II.
Development of incipient reproductive isolation. Heredity. 44:123-
130.
de Queiroz, K. and M. Donoghue. 1988. Phylogenetic systematics and
the species problem. Cladistics. 4:317-338.
de Queiroz, K. and M. Donoghue. 1990. Phylogenetic systematics and
species revisited. Cladistics. 6:83-90.
de Vries, H. 1905. Species and varieties, their origin by mutation.
de Wet, J. M. J. 1971. Polyploidy and evolution in plants. Taxon.
20:29-35.
del Solar, E. 1966. Sexual isolation caused by selection for positive
and negative phototaxis and geotaxis in Drosophila pseudoobscura.
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US). 56:484-487.
Digby, L. 1912. The cytology of Primula kewensis and of other related
Primula hybrids. Ann. Bot. 26:357-388.
Dobzhansky, T. 1937. Genetics and the origin of species. Columbia
University Press, New York.
Dobzhansky, T. 1951. Genetics and the origin of species (3rd
edition). Columbia University Press, New York.
Dobzhansky, T. and O. Pavlovsky. 1971. Experimentally created
incipient species of Drosophila. Nature. 230:289-292.
Dobzhansky, T. 1972. Species of Drosophila: new excitement in an old
field. Science. 177:664-669.
Dodd, D. M. B. 1989. Reproductive isolation as a consequence of
adaptive divergence in Drosophila melanogaster. Evolution 43:1308-
1311.
Dodd, D. M. B. and J. R. Powell. 1985. Founder-flush speciation: an
update of experimental results with Drosophila. Evolution 39:1388-
1392.
Donoghue, M. J. 1985. A critique of the biological species concept
and recommendations for a phylogenetic alternative. Bryologist 88:172-
181.
Du Rietz, G. E. 1930. The fundamental units of biological taxonomy.
Svensk. Bot. Tidskr. 24:333-428.
Ehrman, E. 1971. Natural selection for the origin of reproductive
isolation. The American Naturalist. 105:479-483.
Ehrman, E. 1973. More on natural selection for the origin of
reproductive isolation. The American Naturalist. 107:318-319.
Feder, J. L., C. A. Chilcote and G. L. Bush. 1988. Genetic
differentiation between sympatric host races of the apple maggot fly,
Rhagoletis pomonella. Nature. 336:61-64.
Feder, J. L. and G. L. Bush. 1989. A field test of differential host-
plant usage between two sibling species of Rhagoletis pomonella fruit
flies (Diptera:Tephritidae) and its consequences for sympatric models
of speciation. Evolution 43:1813-1819.
Frandsen, K. J. 1943. The experimental formation of Brassica juncea
Czern. et Coss. Dansk. Bot. Arkiv., No. 4, 11:1-17.
Frandsen, K. J. 1947. The experimental formation of Brassica napus L.
var. oleifera DC and Brassica carinata Braun. Dansk. Bot. Arkiv., No.
7, 12:1-16.
Galiana, A., A. Moya and F. J. Alaya. 1993. Founder-flush speciation
in Drosophila pseudoobscura: a large scale experiment. Evolution.
47432-444.
Gottleib, L. D. 1973. Genetic differentiation, sympatric speciation,
and the origin of a diploid species of Stephanomeira. American
Journal of Botany. 60: 545-553.
Halliburton, R. and G. A. E. Gall. 1981. Disruptive selection and
assortative mating in Tribolium castaneum. Evolution. 35:829-843.
Hurd, L. E., and R. M. Eisenberg. 1975. Divergent selection for
geotactic response and evolution of reproductive isolation in
sympatric and allopatric populations of houseflies. The American
Naturalist. 109:353-358.
Karpchenko, G. D. 1927. Polyploid hybrids of Raphanus sativus L. X
Brassica oleraceae L. Bull. Appl. Botany. 17:305-408.
Karpchenko, G. D. 1928. Polyploid hybrids of Raphanus sativus L. X
Brassica oleraceae L. Z. Indukt. Abstami-a Verenbungsi. 48:1-85.
Kilias, G., S. N. Alahiotis and M. Delecanos. 1980. A multifactorial
investigation of speciation theory using Drosophila melanogaster.
Evolution. 34:730-737.
Knight, G. R., A. Robertson and C. H. Waddington. 1956. Selection for
sexual isolation within a species. Evolution. 10:14-22.
Koopman, K. F. 1950. Natural selection for reproductive isolation
between Drosophila pseudoobscura and Drosophila persimilis.
Evolution. 4:135-148.
Lee, R. E. 1989. Phycology (2nd edition) Cambridge University Press,
Cambridge, UK
Levin, D. A. 1979. The nature of plant species. Science 204:381-384.
Lokki, J. and A. Saura. 1980. Polyploidy in insect evolution. In: W.
H. Lewis (ed.) Polyploidy: Biological Relevance. Plenum Press, New
York.
Macnair, M. R. 1981. Tolerance of higher plants to toxic materials.
In: J. A. Bishop and L. M. Cook (eds.). Genetic consequences of man
made change. Pp.177-297. Academic Press, New York.
Macnair, M. R. and P. Christie. 1983. Reproductive isolation as a
pleiotropic effect of copper tolerance in Mimulus guttatus. Heredity.
50:295-302.
Manhart, J. R. and R. M. McCourt. 1992. Molecular data and species
concepts in the algae. Journal of Phycology. 28:730-737.
Mayr, E. 1942. Systematics and the origin of species from the
viewpoint of a zoologist. Columbia University Press, New York.
Mayr, E. 1982. The growth of biological thought: diversity, evolution
and inheritance. Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA. McCourt, R.
M. and R. W. Hoshaw. 1990. Noncorrespondence of breeding groups,
morphology and monophyletic groups in Spirogyra (Zygnemataceae;
Chlorophyta) and the application of species concepts. Systematic
Botany. 15:69-78.
McPheron, B. A., D. C. Smith and S. H. Berlocher. 1988. Genetic
differentiation between host races of Rhagoletis pomonella. Nature.
336:64-66.
Meffert, L. M. and E. H. Bryant. 1991. Mating propensity and
courtship behavior in serially bottlenecked lines of the housefly.
Evolution 45:293-306.
Mishler, B. D. 1985. The morphological, developmental and
phylogenetic basis of species concepts in the bryophytes. Bryologist.
88:207-214.
Mishler, B. D. and M. J. Donoghue. 1982. Species concepts: a case for
pluralism. Systematic Zoology. 31:491-503.
Muntzing, A. 1932. Cytogenetic investigations on the synthetic
Galeopsis tetrahit. Hereditas. 16:105-154.
Nelson, G. 1989. Cladistics and evolutionary models. Cladistics.
5:275-289.
Newton, W. C. F. and C. Pellew. 1929. Primula kewensis and its
derivatives. J. Genetics. 20:405-467.
Otte, E. and J. A. Endler (eds.). 1989. Speciation and its
consequences. Sinauer Associates. Sunderland, MA.
Owenby, M. 1950. Natural hybridization and amphiploidy in the genus
Tragopogon. Am. J. Bot. 37:487-499.
Pasterniani, E. 1969. Selection for reproductive isolation between
two populations of maize, Zea mays L. Evolution. 23:534-547.
Powell, J. R. 1978. The founder-flush speciation theory: an
experimental approach. Evolution. 32:465-474.
Prokopy, R. J., S. R. Diehl, and S. H. Cooley. 1988. Oecologia.
76:138.
Rabe, E. W. and C. H. Haufler. 1992. Incipient polyploid speciation
in the maidenhair fern (Adiantum pedatum, adiantaceae)? American
Journal of Botany. 79:701-707.
Rice, W. R. 1985. Disruptive selection on habitat preference and the
evolution of reproductive isolation: an exploratory experiment.
Evolution. 39:645-646.
Rice, W. R. and E. E. Hostert. 1993. Laboratory experiments on
speciation: What have we learned in forty years? Evolution. 47:1637-
1653.
Rice, W. R. and G. W. Salt. 1988. Speciation via disruptive selection
on habitat preference: experimental evidence. The American
Naturalist. 131:911-917.
Rice, W. R. and G. W. Salt. 1990. The evolution of reproductive
isolation as a correlated character under sympatric conditions:
experimental evidence. Evolution. 44:1140-1152.
Ringo, J., D. Wood, R. Rockwell, and H. Dowse. 1989. An experiment
testing two hypotheses of speciation. The American Naturalist.
126:642-661.
Schluter, D. and L. M. Nagel. 1995. Parallel speciation by natural
selection. American Naturalist. 146:292-301.
Shikano, S., L. S. Luckinbill and Y. Kurihara. 1990. Changes of
traits in a bacterial population associated with protozoal predation.
Microbial Ecology. 20:75-84.
Smith, D. C. 1988. Heritable divergence of Rhagoletis pomonella host
races by seasonal asynchrony. Nature. 336:66-67.
Soans, A. B., D. Pimentel and J. S. Soans. 1974. Evolution of
reproductive isolation in allopatric and sympatric populations. The
American Naturalist. 108:117-124.
Sokal, R. R. and T. J. Crovello. 1970. The biological species
concept: a critical evaluation. The American Naturalist. 104:127-153.
Soltis, D. E. and P. S. Soltis. 1989. Allopolyploid speciation in
Tragopogon: Insights from chloroplast DNA. American Journal of
Botany. 76:1119-1124.
Stuessy, T. F. 1990. Plant taxonomy. Columbia University Press, New
York.
Thoday, J. M. and J. B. Gibson. 1962. Isolation by disruptive
selection. Nature. 193:1164-1166.
Thoday, J. M. and J. B. Gibson. 1970. The probability of isolation by
disruptive selection. The American Naturalist. 104:219-230.
Thompson, J. N. 1987. Symbiont-induced speciation. Biological Journal
of the Linnean Society. 32:385-393.
Vrijenhoek, R. C. 1994. Unisexual fish: Model systems for studying
ecology and evolution. Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics.
25:71-96.
Waring, G. L., W. G. Abrahamson and D. J. Howard. 1990. Genetic
differentiation in the gall former Eurosta solidaginis
(Diptera:Tephritidae) along host plant lines. Evolution. 44:1648-
1655.
Weinberg, J. R., V. R. Starczak and P. Jora. 1992. Evidence for rapid
speciation following a founder event in the laboratory. Evolution.
46:1214-1220.
Wood, A. M. and T. Leatham. 1992. The species concept in
phytoplankton ecology. Journal of Phycology. 28:723-729.
Yen, J. H. and A. R. Barr. 1971. New hypotheses of the cause of
cytoplasmic incompatability in Culex pipiens L.
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Mikey Brass
MA in Archaeology student
"The Antiquity of Man" http://www.antiquityofman.com
Book: "The Antiquity of Man: Artifactual, fossil and gene records
explored"
- "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would
it?"
(Albert Einstein)
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You choose to not open up your eyes, so there is nothing else to
say, now is there.
Then I am sure you are familiar with some of the below articles and
would
opt to discuss the contents of them instead of inane replies.
So, you want your authorities do the talking for you.
So, if you have health issues, you would disregard the findings of a
medical doctor?
The answer to both is yes.
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26 May 2004 01:57:28 PM |
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"Mikey Brass" <mike@bed.uk.clara.net> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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You choose to not open up your eyes, so there is nothing else to say,
now is there.
Then I am sure you are familiar with some of the below articles and would
opt to discuss the contents of them instead of inane replies.
So, you want your authorities do the talking for you.
HE wants to discuss the evidence you stupid twit!!!!
snip the ridiculously long list of articles supporting evolution which
RR is scared of or something.
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28 May 2004 06:48:32 AM |
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The notion that evolution has been rejected may be true for biblical
fundamentalists who put an archaic book ahead of current scientific
fact, but it is not rejected by thousands of scientists.
I cannot recount all the arguments, some in extraordinary detail, but
here are a few references one might check out:
E. O. Wilson, 'Consilience.'
Richard Dawkins, 'The Selfish Gene.'
Ernst Mayer, 'What Evolution Is.'
Robert Wright, 'Nonzero.'
Daniel Dennett, 'Darwin's Dangerous Idea.'
Matt Ridley, 'The Red Queen.'
----------------, 'Origins of Virtue.'
Jerome Barkow, et al., 'The Adapted Mind.'
Gerd Gigerenzer, 'Adaptive Thinking.'
All of these authors are scientists or philosophers of science, and
all have produced remarkable tomes in tribute of Darwins two seminal
ideas: Natural selection and evolution. Evolution is no longer a
theory, but a fact. Whether or not there is an Intelligent Designer
behind natural selection is another matter, and a legitimate area for
discussion.
Kind regards,
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D. Stephen Heersink
San Francisco
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28 May 2004 02:11:50 PM |
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In article <40bc275f.126201158@news.ixpres.com>,
(D. Stephen Heersink) wrote:
The notion that evolution has been rejected may be true for biblical
fundamentalists who put an archaic book ahead of current scientific
fact, but it is not rejected by thousands of scientists.
I cannot recount all the arguments, some in extraordinary detail, but
here are a few references one might check out:
E. O. Wilson, 'Consilience.'
Richard Dawkins, 'The Selfish Gene.'
Ernst Mayer, 'What Evolution Is.'
Robert Wright, 'Nonzero.'
Daniel Dennett, 'Darwin's Dangerous Idea.'
Matt Ridley, 'The Red Queen.'
----------------, 'Origins of Virtue.'
Jerome Barkow, et al., 'The Adapted Mind.'
Gerd Gigerenzer, 'Adaptive Thinking.'
All of these authors are scientists or philosophers of science, and
all have produced remarkable tomes in tribute of Darwins two seminal
ideas: Natural selection and evolution. Evolution is no longer a
theory, but a fact. Whether or not there is an Intelligent Designer
behind natural selection is another matter, and a legitimate area for
discussion.
Kind regards,
_____________________
D. Stephen Heersink
San Francisco
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'Origins of Virtue' is also by Matt Ridley.
I would add 'Finding Darwin's God' by Kenneth Miller.
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28 May 2004 07:21:45 AM |
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On Fri, 28 May 2004 11:48:32 +0000 (UTC),
dshsfca@ixpres.com (D. Stephen Heersink) posted thusly:
The notion that evolution has been rejected may be true for biblical
fundamentalists who put an archaic book ahead of current scientific
fact, but it is not rejected by thousands of scientists.
It isn't fact.
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 28 May 2004 11:48:32 +0000 (UTC),
dshsfca@ixpres.com (D. Stephen Heersink) posted thusly:
The notion that evolution has been rejected may be true for biblical
fundamentalists who put an archaic book ahead of current scientific
fact, but it is not rejected by thousands of scientists.
It isn't fact.
BUZZ! Sorry, there goes your chance to win the vacation package.
Kidding aside, evolution was recognized as a fact a long time ago. This
is explained in the "Evolution is a Fact and a Theory" FAQ at
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 23:50:47 +0000 (UTC), "Roadrunner"
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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You choose to not open up your eyes, so there is nothing else to say,
now is there.
Then I am sure you are familiar with some of the below articles and would
opt to discuss the contents of them instead of inane replies.
So, you want your authorities do the talking for you.
And doesn't Hovind do the talking for you? Why else would you repeatedly
post your transcription of his lecture? If you want to talk about
things, then let's talk.
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Book: "The Antiquity of Man: Artifactual, fossil and gene records
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 12:38:35 +0000 (UTC), "Roadrunner"
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote
In fact 'science' is pretty much based on argument or
opinion, seldom on 'evidence', only on interpretation
thereof, which is not evidence.
You're babbling.
You're "position" requires us to see you as an authority,
someone with the power to merely dictate reality.
Another way of putting: I see a lot of gum flapping and
not anything backing it up. You're shooting blanks.
You choose to not open up your eyes, so there is nothing else to say, now is
there.
Coming from someone who refuses to open an encyclopedia and look up
"hyrax", that's pretty ironic.
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote
In fact 'science' is pretty much based on argument or
opinion, seldom on 'evidence', only on interpretation
thereof, which is not evidence.
You're babbling.
You're "position" requires us to see you as an authority,
someone with the power to merely dictate reality.
Another way of putting: I see a lot of gum flapping and
not anything backing it up. You're shooting blanks.
For the sake of the future of humanity, I sincerely hope that this
last statement is true for all aspects of RR's life.
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17 May 2004 11:29:22 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote
This book has been organized around the most powerful
arguments that evolutionists can muster
"Evidence" is not an argument.
(quoting the salient points of PBS and Scientific American)
Watered-down and meant for mass consumption?
against the best arguments of creationists.
Since when does whishful thinking constitute an argument?
Too often, both sides get sidetracked on bad arguments.
Science is based on *Evidence*, not arguments.
In fact 'science' is pretty much based on argument or opinion, seldom on
'evidence', only on interpretation thereof, which is not evidence.
Science is based on evidence. One cannot render arguments or opinions--or
any that are worthy--without evidence. Science is a means by which humans
explore the natural universe and do so without regard to certain religious
or philosophical constraints that would hinder that knowledge. This means,
among other things, that we don't decide that "Truth" is something that is
true because someone believes it to be true, as you claimed elsewhere.
Furthermore, we examine evidence and come to conclusions based on the
evidence and as free of irrelevant or unevidenced preconceptions as
possible. But in the end, all science is based on evidence.
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"Adam Warlock" <go@away.com> wrote in message
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote
This book has been organized around the most powerful
arguments that evolutionists can muster
"Evidence" is not an argument.
(quoting the salient points of PBS and Scientific American)
Watered-down and meant for mass consumption?
against the best arguments of creationists.
Since when does whishful thinking constitute an argument?
Too often, both sides get sidetracked on bad arguments.
Science is based on *Evidence*, not arguments.
In fact 'science' is pretty much based on argument or opinion, seldom on
'evidence', only on interpretation thereof, which is not evidence.
Science is based on evidence. One cannot render arguments or opinions--or
any that are worthy--without evidence.
Sorry, this has been done! And is still happening....
Science is a means by which humans
explore the natural universe and do so without regard to certain religious
or philosophical constraints that would hinder that knowledge. This
means,
among other things, that we don't decide that "Truth" is something that is
true because someone believes it to be true, as you claimed elsewhere.
We live in a society filled with manipulation and lies. Truth is something
that in general lines has been thought up, it is not so very hard to stage
things.
Furthermore, we examine evidence and come to conclusions based on the
evidence and as free of irrelevant or unevidenced preconceptions as
possible.
That's what some wants us to believe.
But in the end, all science is based on evidence.
Based on, it is not evidence itself. Therefore can be questioned.
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| Title: Re: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote
This book has been organized around the most powerful
arguments that evolutionists can muster
"Evidence" is not an argument.
(quoting the salient points of PBS and Scientific American)
Watered-down and meant for mass consumption?
against the best arguments of creationists.
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