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"J Young" |
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31 Jan 2005 10:45:53 PM |
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Common ground amongst the world's religions |
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,12110760%255E662,00.html
United front on abortion
Gerard McManus
01feb05
A POWERFUL alliance of religions, including Christians, Muslims and
Jews, have joined forces in a major anti-abortion push across
Australia.
An unprecedented meeting of church leaders and their representatives in
Sydney last night signalled a move to raise the issue high on the
political agenda.
They want restrictions on late-term abortions, greater awareness of
alternatives, and better information given to pregnant women by federal
and state governments.
Anglican, Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Assemblies of God, Buddhist,
Greek Orthodox, Hindu, Islamic, Lutheran, Mormon, Sikh, Salvation Army,
Wesleyan and Seventh Day Adventist churches were all represented at the
meeting.
The meeting included two bishops representing Cardinal George Pell and
Sydney Anglican Archbishop Dr Peter Jensen, as well as Rabbi Raymond
Apple, Dr Sheik Mansour Leghael of the Imam Hussein Islamic Centre, and
a representative of the Greek Orthodox Archbishop Stylianos.
The churchmen called on governments to remove the profit incentive from
private clinics that do late-term abortions.
They want to restrict procedures to public hospitals where tighter
controls and ethical reviews can be implemented.
The Anglican Church's social issues executive Tracy Gordon said the
meeting was called in response to last year's abortion debate, which
subsided after the Howard Government decided against a federal inquiry.
"It is a united call on governments to provide meaningful initiatives
for women confronted with an unexpected pregnancy," she said.
"For the first time in this country religious leaders have gathered to
declare their opposition to abortion and to call for something better
for women and their babies."
Other demands on governments included:
THE provision of better statistics on abortion.
ACCURATE and objective information to be given to women seeking an
abortion, including possible physical and psychological risks.
IMPROVED education programs on pregnancy and abortion.
ALTERNATIVES to support women with unexpected pregnancies.
Several politicians from both major parties attended the meeting as
observers, including Liberal MP Alan Cadman, Labor's John Murphy,
National Party senator Ron Boswell and independent Brian Harradine.
Victorian Family First senator-elect Steve Fielding was also present.
Health Minister Tony Abbott, a staunch Catholic, ignited debate last
year when he declared Australia's abortion rate, estimated at between
70,000 to 100,000 a year, was far too high.
Senator Boswell said there needed to be informed debate.
He has placed 16 questions on notice to Mr Abbott, canvassing issues
such as the cost to taxpayers of Medicare-funded terminations and the
number of abortions each year.
"Abortion is a serious issue, whatever your ethical position, and
authoritative information is absolutely essential to an informed
debate," Senator Boswell said.
"So many different figures have been used and claims made in the recent
public debate on abortion that I've asked the minister for the latest
data, so we can be sure of the basic facts.
"Let's see what the facts are now. There's nothing to be gained from
hiding from them."
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06 Feb 2005 02:21:42 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:38:36 GMT, Werner Kurator
<werner@searching-for.peace> said in alt.atheism:
If a publisher thought it would result in higher sales,
the Gor books might be reissued as "Christian Fiction".
-- Dan Goodman in RASFW
I'm trying to picture that now. :)
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Common ground amongst the world's religions |
01 Feb 2005 10:58:52 PM |
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Well put.. ..and pretty darned accurate too
as usual.
Cheers,
;-)
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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| Title: Re: Common ground amongst the world's religions |
01 Feb 2005 01:02:43 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Saving babies is an excellent place to start the healing process.
A beautiful truth. You are absolutely right.
As a British Catholic, I feel profoundy united with the protestants of
the world, especially the US, who have made such enormous strides in
raising the profile of abortion to the level of urgency it merits. The
world owes those people an enormous debt of gratitude. Finally the rest
of the world can begin to engage in a discussion about this horror, the
We have recently had Christian unity week, and the issue of abortion and
the human rights of all people was foremost on my mind. We will deal
with this, together, united, and we will see through that process the
basic truths we chare.
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Feb 2005 11:30:00 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:02:43 +0000, Michael Calwell
<michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
Saving babies is an excellent place to start the healing process.
A beautiful truth. You are absolutely right.
You wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and ripped your ***** out, oh
ignorant and dishonest slaver!
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Feb 2005 10:30:49 PM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 21:10:51 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said
in alt.atheism:
I do not in any way hate Jews. I do sometimes disagree with their
politics and view of history (and will post them when I feel it's
necessary) but I am 100% in agreement in most matters. Muslims, I am
trying my best to stop hating them. I can still harbor resentment over
9/11 and the islamic world's immediate reaction to it. Saving babies is
an excellent place to start the healing process.
Translation:
Jews are Christ-killers. Muslims are towel-headed terrorists.
But I can pretend to accept them when their views support mine.
But I'm not a hypocrite.
--
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is
a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the
crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due
to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious
indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility
corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of
nature and of our own being."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, from article by
Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Kate " |
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01 Feb 2005 09:52:03 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 20:45:53 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,12110760%255E662,00.html
United front on abortion
Gerard McManus
01feb05
A POWERFUL alliance of religions, including Christians, Muslims and
Jews, have joined forces in a major anti-abortion push across
Australia.
An unprecedented meeting of church leaders and their representatives in
Sydney last night signalled a move to raise the issue high on the
political agenda.
They want restrictions on late-term abortions, greater awareness of
alternatives, and better information given to pregnant women by federal
and state governments.
Anglican, Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Assemblies of God, Buddhist,
Greek Orthodox, Hindu, Islamic, Lutheran, Mormon, Sikh, Salvation Army,
Wesleyan and Seventh Day Adventist churches were all represented at the
meeting.
The meeting included two bishops representing Cardinal George Pell and
Sydney Anglican Archbishop Dr Peter Jensen, as well as Rabbi Raymond
Apple, Dr Sheik Mansour Leghael of the Imam Hussein Islamic Centre, and
a representative of the Greek Orthodox Archbishop Stylianos.
The churchmen called on governments to remove the profit incentive from
private clinics that do late-term abortions.
They want to restrict procedures to public hospitals where tighter
controls and ethical reviews can be implemented.
The Anglican Church's social issues executive Tracy Gordon said the
meeting was called in response to last year's abortion debate, which
subsided after the Howard Government decided against a federal inquiry.
"It is a united call on governments to provide meaningful initiatives
for women confronted with an unexpected pregnancy," she said.
"For the first time in this country religious leaders have gathered to
declare their opposition to abortion and to call for something better
for women and their babies."
Other demands on governments included:
THE provision of better statistics on abortion.
ACCURATE and objective information to be given to women seeking an
abortion, including possible physical and psychological risks.
IMPROVED education programs on pregnancy and abortion.
ALTERNATIVES to support women with unexpected pregnancies.
Several politicians from both major parties attended the meeting as
observers, including Liberal MP Alan Cadman, Labor's John Murphy,
National Party senator Ron Boswell and independent Brian Harradine.
Victorian Family First senator-elect Steve Fielding was also present.
Health Minister Tony Abbott, a staunch Catholic, ignited debate last
year when he declared Australia's abortion rate, estimated at between
70,000 to 100,000 a year, was far too high.
Senator Boswell said there needed to be informed debate.
He has placed 16 questions on notice to Mr Abbott, canvassing issues
such as the cost to taxpayers of Medicare-funded terminations and the
number of abortions each year.
"Abortion is a serious issue, whatever your ethical position, and
authoritative information is absolutely essential to an informed
debate," Senator Boswell said.
"So many different figures have been used and claims made in the recent
public debate on abortion that I've asked the minister for the latest
data, so we can be sure of the basic facts.
"Let's see what the facts are now. There's nothing to be gained from
hiding from them."
And yet all those religous leaders propose nothing that would actually
help those women and fetuses, such as promoting aid to dependent
children, hospitals that don't charge for birth, the support of women
who cannot afford to have a child, and advocating a viewpoint that
would not condemn or stone unmarried women who get pregnant.
Apparently controlling women's bodies against their will is really the
only thing that is important to these people.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Common ground amongst the world's religions |
01 Feb 2005 12:16:45 PM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:4214a421.206304718@news-west.newscene.com...
On 31 Jan 2005 20:45:53 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
[blahblahblah]
And yet all those religous leaders propose nothing that would actually
help those women and fetuses, such as promoting aid to dependent
children, hospitals that don't charge for birth, the support of women
who cannot afford to have a child, and advocating a viewpoint that
would not condemn or stone unmarried women who get pregnant.
Apparently controlling women's bodies against their will is really the
only thing that is important to these people.
Bingo.
And some of them are doing it against the laws of their own religion.
Susan
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Feb 2005 11:32:02 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:16:45 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:4214a421.206304718@news-west.newscene.com...
On 31 Jan 2005 20:45:53 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
And yet all those religous leaders propose nothing that would actually
help those women and fetuses, such as promoting aid to dependent
children, hospitals that don't charge for birth, the support of women
who cannot afford to have a child, and advocating a viewpoint that
would not condemn or stone unmarried women who get pregnant.
Apparently controlling women's bodies against their will is really the
only thing that is important to these people.
Bingo.
And some of them are doing it against the laws of their own religion.
The laws of their religion don't apply to them. Of course, no holy
tome has legal status in the US.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Common ground amongst the world's religions |
01 Feb 2005 01:31:31 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 20:45:53 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
THE provision of better statistics on abortion.
ACCURATE and objective information to be given to women seeking an
abortion, including possible physical and psychological risks.
IMPROVED education programs on pregnancy and abortion.
ALTERNATIVES to support women with unexpected pregnancies.
I notice that education about and improved access to effective methods
of birth control are grossly conspicuous in their absence.
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