Religions > Atheism > common-sense Muslims will leave the religion and embrace Christianity.
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"TRUECRISTIAN" |
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22 Jul 2006 04:36:39 AM |
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common-sense Muslims will leave the religion and embrace Christianity. |
envisage decent and common-sense Muslims will leave the religion and
embrace Christianity.
1,Everyone knows that Islam preaches Hatred and spread violence around
the
world,culminating to 9/11 and terrorists acts around the world,even
Indonesia a Muslim nation was not spared either.
2,Is it true that a few rotten apples spoiled the whole religion?There
is a
fundamental serious defects from the so-called prophet Muhammed,who had
13
wives,married a 6 year old girl,and had sex with her when she was 9
years
old.Everyone knows that is Raped,according to Laws.If the founder,and
the
foundation is terribly evil,wicked and violence,how could his followers
not
follows suit?
3,The evidence is in the Koran,whose twisted logics,and sayings only
belong
to derange mindsets,and it is ridiculous that anyone regard that as
God's
words.It is self-evidence.
4,Muhamed, the founder of Islam,who is well respected and honoured in
Islamic world,confessed that he was demon possessed,so was that not
clear-cut that it is a cult religion?
5,That founder,stole and plunders as a living.He led a group of thieves
and
bandits doing the wicked deeds to others,and his testimony as a very
violent
and insecure person,and today any analyst would have told you that he
was a
psycopath,and a mad fellow.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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22 Jul 2006 08:34:41 PM |
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On 22 Jul 2006 02:36:39 -0700, "TRUECRISTIAN" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
1,Everyone knows that Islam preaches Hatred
<snip>
Good riddance. <Plonk.>
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| User: "" |
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22 Jul 2006 06:49:24 AM |
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TRUECRISTIAN schreef:
envisage decent and common-sense Muslims will leave the religion and
embrace Christianity.
1,Everyone knows that Islam preaches Hatred and spread violence around
the
world,culminating to 9/11 and terrorists acts around the world,even
Indonesia a Muslim nation was not spared either.
Actually this is not true. "Islam" does not do so,
Many Imams do, but most do not.
So your point is a gross exaggaration.
Not that those Imams do not worry me.
With a billion Muslims in the word,
even if one in a thousand comply to you views.
that would still make a million very mad men.
2,Is it true that a few rotten apples spoiled the whole religion?There
is a
fundamental serious defects from the so-called prophet Muhammed,who had
13
wives,married a 6 year old girl,and had sex with her when she was 9
years
old.Everyone knows that is Raped,according to Laws.If the founder,and
the
foundation is terribly evil,wicked and violence,how could his followers
not
follows suit?
As far as I know Muhammed had only 4 wifes,
and almost nobody knows what laws prevailed at that time at that place.
In the middle ages the age of consent was generally 12 years,
and rulers more often than not had privileges that were not for
commoners/
Almost no muslim assumes he has the same rights as "the prophet" .
So you logic is not in line with reality.
3,The evidence is in the Koran,whose twisted logics,and sayings only
belong
to derange mindsets,and it is ridiculous that anyone regard that as
God's
words.It is self-evidence.
You do not offer any of this proof. I have read the Koran, and find it
no better and no worse,
that great parts of the bible. I find no proof that the sayings belong
to deranged mindsets.
In there 600 BC context they seem rather logical to me.
I agree that it ridiculous to regard it as God's word.
They are clearly the word of the person Muhammed,
but not because of twisted logic.
4,Muhamed, the founder of Islam,who is well respected and honoured in
Islamic world,confessed that he was demon possessed,so was that not
clear-cut that it is a cult religion?
Pardon? Where does he confess that? (name the Sura please)
and why should that make it cult religion?
Jesus was supposed to have driven out demons from six women,
including Mary Magdalene. Is Christianity therefore cult religion?
Ore often that not converts claim to have been influenced by the devil,
before there conversion.
5,That founder,stole and plunders as a living.He led a group of thieves
and
bandits doing the wicked deeds to others,and his testimony as a very
violent
and insecure person,and today any analyst would have told you that he
was a
psycopath,and a mad fellow.
So did Joshua and Saul and David so what?
This was the accepted way of warfare in those days.
I found one line in the Koran that may make you see things differently
Go and read it and tell me what you think about it.
Sura 5, line 46 (line 50 according to Fluegel)
It is about Jesus the Thora and the Gospel.
Hope to read your answer soon
Peter van Velzen
July 2006
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "TRUECRISTIAN" |
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| Title: Re: common-sense Muslims will leave the religion and embrace Christianity. |
22 Jul 2006 01:38:24 PM |
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Muslim-dogs, or just in an abreviation : muslims.
Have Joy for the moment you can. Our joy will come a little bit
later, but I assure you, our joy will be as good as when I heard
about Shabra and Shatilla, about when Arafat had to flee Beirut,
when you lost the war in 1967, in 1973 and so many occasions
before and after, and of course... in the future. You, you
muslims are eternal losers : losers to become "martyrs". Only on
this point we agree : we will kindly help you to
become "martyrs". And .... Who won the Gulf War .... ?
Who will shoot down another Egyptian airliner when it comes to
close to the Holy Land, Israel ? These are OUR moments of joy,
a joy forever...
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| User: "" |
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23 Jul 2006 11:22:03 AM |
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TRUECRISTIAN schreef:
Muslim-dogs, or just in an abreviation : muslims.
I have to dissapoint you,
all muslims are homo sapiens sapiens
none of them are canis familiaris.
So you are actually adressing nobody.
Anyway, shoulding be talking to the single me,
if you react on my post?
Have Joy for the moment you can. Our joy will come a little bit
later, but I assure you, our joy will be as good as when I heard
about Shabra and Shatilla, about when Arafat had to flee Beirut,
when you lost the war in 1967, in 1973 and so many occasions
before and after, and of course... in the future. You, you
muslims are eternal losers : losers to become "martyrs". Only on
this point we agree : we will kindly help you to
become "martyrs". And .... Who won the Gulf War .... ?
Who will shoot down another Egyptian airliner when it comes to
close to the Holy Land, Israel ? These are OUR moments of joy,
a joy forever...
You enjoy other peoples pain??
Then you should change your name to trusadist
(notice the letter I purposly left out:)
To be sure. St. Stephan was the first martyr.
Do you consider him to be a loser too?
as for battles.
Lately a muslim won one:)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1507636,00.html
See it before it's gone.
Peter van Velzen
July 2006
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
PS did you read Sura 5, line 46 (line 50 according to Fluegel)
and can you tell me where Muhammed says he was possesed by the devil?
Still awaiting you views on those issues,
but happy to see you are a craze again and not depressive.
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| User: "TRUECRISTIAN" |
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23 Jul 2006 03:18:49 PM |
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Nice try Abe, but you just don't get it do you. Australians accept and
acknowledge difference. But as long as religion is involved, we will
have dissension, fear violence and destruction. On one side you have
those with primitive minds, who have just recently started to come out
of the dark,(christians). On the other, those that not only have
primitive minds, but primitive behavior as well, (muslims).
Just look at the muslim Hajj, each year hundreds get killed, trying to
throw stones at a man made wall. Now thats really intelligent. They
come in their millions just to throw a few stones. Can't you understand
why the intelligent people of the world, are becoming increasingly
disgusted with religion and the religious.
Then we have the Irish orange and the green conflicts, plus the mighty
christians right, destroying everything in their path to gain the oil
riches of the world so that they can control it. Destroying cultures
and people in their rush to convert, hasn't got them the power they
want, now its oil.
Its not cultures Abe, its religion. Because all religions are
fictitious, the followers can only resort to violence in the end. They
have no scientific, or historical fact to support their delusions. So
they resort to threats of damnation, then abuse, then [physical
violence.
I would actually feel sorry for the religious, if they weren't so
destructive and ridiculous.
I prefer to see them as they are, the despotic and dangerous clowns of
the world.
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| User: "" |
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24 Jul 2006 11:09:41 AM |
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TRUECRISTIAN schreef:
Nice try Abe, but you just don't get it do you. Australians accept and
acknowledge difference. But as long as religion is involved, we will
have dissension, fear violence and destruction. On one side you have
those with primitive minds, who have just recently started to come out
of the dark,(christians). On the other, those that not only have
primitive minds, but primitive behavior as well, (muslims).
What is up with you True?
I sign my posts clearly with Peter,
and that is quite different from Abe!
As for primitive, Muslim religion is younger that Christian religion,
and more simple, but it is quite developped.
Just look at the muslim Hajj, each year hundreds get killed, trying to
throw stones at a man made wall. Now thats really intelligent. They
come in their millions just to throw a few stones. Can't you understand
why the intelligent people of the world, are becoming increasingly
disgusted with religion and the religious.
Actually they do a lot more, it is not any more crazy though than the
assumed cannibalism of the Roman Cathaloc Churc.
Then we have the Irish orange and the green conflicts, plus the mighty
christians right, destroying everything in their path to gain the oil
riches of the world so that they can control it. Destroying cultures
and people in their rush to convert, hasn't got them the power they
want, now its oil.
The Irish conflict is a national conflict between Ireland and England,
The reason England has a different religion is the fact that Henry VIII
wanted a diforce, as such it was an act by a head of state.
So religion isn't the main drive here at all.
Its not cultures Abe, its religion. Because all religions are
fictitious, the followers can only resort to violence in the end. They
have no scientific, or historical fact to support their delusions. So
they resort to threats of damnation, then abuse, then [physical
violence.
My name is not Abe, and religion is part of a culture,
so you can't seperate them that easily.
and mind you with scientific or historical facts to support a delusion.
there would probably be more violence.
I would actually feel sorry for the religious, if they weren't so
destructive and ridiculous.
All the more reason to feel sorry!
Groups that are violent (like young men under 30)
als happen to be the most likely target for violence.
I prefer to see them as they are, the despotic and dangerous clowns of
the world.
Clowns? I don't think violence is a joke.
Happy to see you getting more serious
Peter van Velzen
July 2006
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
PS Still wating for two anwers from you
1.
Did you read Sura 5, line 46 (line 50 according to Fluegel)
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Can you tell me where Muhammed says he was possesed by the devil?
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| User: "TRUECRISTIAN" |
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25 Jul 2006 07:22:02 AM |
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The Qur'an claims that God has sent down signs (ayat) to make His
reality clear, and that understanding that reality is as a "straight
path", that if one is truly following, one can never be led astray. God
keeps His word, and will continue to reward those who believe and keep
to their religion, as He as rewarded others in the past for doing the
same.
The Book urges the believer not to fret, and not to accuse people of
sin merely for the conditions of their birth or social stasis. For
example, in many tribal cultures a blind person or their parents were
believed to be wicked, hence the gods or the spirits have blinded them.
The Qur'an urges one not to think in this manner, and instead remember
that all things are signs from God, and thus all believers should be of
good nature to others, and wish them blessings from God. If that is
done, the signs become clear and "happily you will understand".
As the believer must greet others well, so must they ask for leave from
them before departing. However, the sura ends, God knows the hidden
reasons people do as they do, "God knows those of you who slip away
surreptitiously", for when all returns to Him, they will testify
against themselves to Him.
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| User: "" |
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25 Jul 2006 12:21:48 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN schreef:
The Qur'an claims that God has sent down signs (ayat) to make His
reality clear, and that understanding that reality is as a "straight
path", that if one is truly following, one can never be led astray. God
keeps His word, and will continue to reward those who believe and keep
to their religion, as He as rewarded others in the past for doing the
same.
The Book urges the believer not to fret, and not to accuse people of
sin merely for the conditions of their birth or social stasis. For
example, in many tribal cultures a blind person or their parents were
believed to be wicked, hence the gods or the spirits have blinded them.
The Qur'an urges one not to think in this manner, and instead remember
that all things are signs from God, and thus all believers should be of
good nature to others, and wish them blessings from God. If that is
done, the signs become clear and "happily you will understand".
As the believer must greet others well, so must they ask for leave from
them before departing. However, the sura ends, God knows the hidden
reasons people do as they do, "God knows those of you who slip away
surreptitiously", for when all returns to Him, they will testify
against themselves to Him.
I don't reckognize the Sura, but it is not number 5.
Which one is it ?
My questions also remain:
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Did you read Sura 5, line 46 (line 50 according to Fluegel) ?
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Can you tell me where Muhammed says he was possesed by the devil?
Still hoping for an answer,
Peter van Velzen
July 2006
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "TRUECRISTIAN" |
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26 Jul 2006 02:36:54 PM |
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The answer is to get rid of all governments which support
terrorists. There is no way we can track down all of the
individual terrorist, but we sure can teach your government a
lesson about the perils of supporting them. I am sorry for the
innocent people your cowardly government will likely hide behind
but the Talibun must be destroyed along with Bin Laden's people
Let me speak for my country, we live in NO fear of Allah.
Allah is a FALSE god.
And a disciple of Satan.
Let him bring death to me, as he *does not* exist. I do not
fear Allah. Today, I am comforted to be a so-called infidel.
You may have killed some of us, but 250 plus million are still
alive...and *very* angry.
"A great people have been moved to defend a great nation."
***** you all, and may (our) God bless your damned soul
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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26 Jul 2006 02:53:28 PM |
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In article <1153942614.251304.86520@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> "TRUECRISTIAN" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> writes:
The answer is to get rid of all governments which support
terrorists. There is no way we can track down all of the
individual terrorist, but we sure can teach your government a
lesson about the perils of supporting them. I am sorry for the
innocent people your cowardly government will likely hide behind
but the Talibun must be destroyed along with Bin Laden's people
You'll notice we've been doing that for several years now
in Afghanistan.
You'll also notice that outside of Kabul, it's been no more
effective than "pacifacation" was in Viet Nam.
You will further notice that Israel has been pursuing the
above approach for -- how many decades now? -- with
no noticible effect on the incidence of terrorism.
-- cary
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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26 Jul 2006 03:01:27 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN wrote:
The answer is to get rid of all governments which support
terrorists. There is no way we can track down all of the
individual terrorist, but we sure can teach your government a
lesson about the perils of supporting them. I am sorry for the
innocent people your cowardly government will likely hide behind
but the Talibun must be destroyed along with Bin Laden's people
Let me speak for my country, we live in NO fear of Allah.
Allah is a FALSE god.
And a disciple of Satan.
Let him bring death to me, as he *does not* exist. I do not
fear Allah. Today, I am comforted to be a so-called infidel.
You may have killed some of us, but 250 plus million are still
alive...and *very* angry.
"A great people have been moved to defend a great nation."
***** you all, and may (our) God bless your damned soul
Why do you post your rabid frothing god soaked rants to people in a news
group that do not see evidence of any gods, yours included?
Do you really enjoy looking foolish? Do you somehow get off on
advancing your "persecution" by posting to alt.atheism? Are you really
this fucking ignorant, or is it just residue from all those years you
used drugs?
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "TRUECRISTIAN" |
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26 Jul 2006 05:44:03 PM |
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Dr. Lao Get out of this country you fuckin *****.
I lost 2 friends 2001. take your hippie pacifist ***** and
stick it up your *****. ***** all these countries. they condone
this ***** and harbor these sand monkeys. they are the ones
ultimately responsible. As for their people, they enjoy this
*****. Didn't you see the news yesterday as those camel jockeys
were jumping for joy. Tell my friends mother that they dont'
desrve to be bombed as she weeps for her 24 year old son.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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26 Jul 2006 07:20:49 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN wrote:
Dr. Lao Get out of this country you fuckin *****.
I lost 2 friends 2001. take your hippie pacifist ***** and
stick it up your *****. ***** all these countries. they condone
this ***** and harbor these sand monkeys. they are the ones
ultimately responsible. As for their people, they enjoy this
*****. Didn't you see the news yesterday as those camel jockeys
were jumping for joy. Tell my friends mother that they dont'
desrve to be bombed as she weeps for her 24 year old son.
Spoken like a true fucking xtian.
BTW *****, you ain't the only one that lost friends.
Of course, based on your bigoted rantings, its no wonder the "love of
your life" ran off.
You also don't seem able to answer questions either. Why do you post
your hate and god soaked ***** into a news group filled with people
that see no evidence for your god?
You really are a foolish person you know.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "" |
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29 Jul 2006 09:22:59 AM |
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor schreef:
pbamvv@worldonline.nl wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor schreef:
TRUECRISTIAN wrote:
Dr. Lao Get out of this country you fuckin *****.
I lost 2 friends 2001. take your hippie pacifist ***** and
stick it up your *****. ***** all these countries. they condone
this ***** and harbor these sand monkeys. they are the ones
ultimately responsible. As for their people, they enjoy this
*****. Didn't you see the news yesterday as those camel jockeys
were jumping for joy. Tell my friends mother that they dont'
desrve to be bombed as she weeps for her 24 year old son.
Spoken like a true fucking xtian.
BTW *****, you ain't the only one that lost friends.
Of course, based on your bigoted rantings, its no wonder the "love of
your life" ran off.
You also don't seem able to answer questions either. Why do you post
your hate and god soaked ***** into a news group filled with people
that see no evidence for your god?
You really are a foolish person you know.
More likely TRUECRISTIAN is in need of a psychiatrist of some sort.
She (as far as I know) is not communicating with any of us, and the
fact that she actually used the words "Dr. Lao" is already a great
improvement. I will keep answering her post though, in the hope my
reations will improve her mind's health. Chances are slim, but: "If you
don't shoot you can't score" so I football Guru said.
Actually, I'm beginning to think that TC is simply posting here to yank
our collective chains. TC never actually answers questions, TC never
posts anything but venom and whining little rants, and TC seems to think
that a bunch of godless atheists actually give a rat's ***** about TC's
love life.
Still, kind of fun to play with, and sharpen claws against. ;-)
TC does react to our posts,
but seems only yo use them as a piggy-back to empty her own mind.
I still think she need help though,
so I try and keep my claws in.
and somehow, I do care.
Peter van Velzen
July 2006
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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22 Jul 2006 02:06:28 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN schrieb:
Muslim-dogs, or just in an abreviation : muslims.
Have Joy for the moment you can. Our joy will come a little bit
later, but I assure you, our joy will be as good as when I heard
about Shabra and Shatilla, about when Arafat had to flee Beirut,
when you lost the war in 1967, in 1973 and so many occasions
before and after, and of course... in the future. You, you
muslims are eternal losers : losers to become "martyrs". Only on
this point we agree : we will kindly help you to
become "martyrs". And .... Who won the Gulf War .... ?
Who will shoot down another Egyptian airliner when it comes to
close to the Holy Land, Israel ? These are OUR moments of joy,
a joy forever...
You're quite revolting, you know that?
You managed to be even more disgusting than J Young...
Here's something: WE will be happy when racist bastards who pose as
"cristians" are all dead... and, if possible, after a long and painful
disease...
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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22 Jul 2006 06:57:53 AM |
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TRUECRISTIAN schrieb:
envisage decent and common-sense Muslims will leave the religion and
embrace Christianity.
This is, by far, the dumbest thing I've read here... Congratulations,
truecristian (sic), you're even dumber than J Young (with whom you
share this obsession with word "decent"), Duke and Believer... and,
believe me, the competition is fierce!!!
BTW, what happened to your rubbish about splitting up with your husband
that you told us about three weeks ago? Don't you think it might have
something to do with you being so stupid!
1,Everyone knows that Islam preaches Hatred and spread violence around
the
world,culminating to 9/11 and terrorists acts around the world,even
Indonesia a Muslim nation was not spared either.
Usual Christian nonsense (or should I say "cristian nonsense"?).
2,Is it true that a few rotten apples spoiled the whole religion?There
is a
fundamental serious defects from the so-called prophet Muhammed,who had
13
wives,married a 6 year old girl,and had sex with her when she was 9
years
old.Everyone knows that is Raped,according to Laws.If the founder,and
the
foundation is terribly evil,wicked and violence,how could his followers
not
follows suit?
More Christian nonsence...
3,The evidence is in the Koran,whose twisted logics,and sayings only
belong
to derange mindsets,and it is ridiculous that anyone regard that as
God's
words.It is self-evidence.
4,Muhamed, the founder of Islam,who is well respected and honoured in
Islamic world,confessed that he was demon possessed,so was that not
clear-cut that it is a cult religion?
Still more Christian nonsence...
5,That founder,stole and plunders as a living.He led a group of thieves
and
bandits doing the wicked deeds to others,and his testimony as a very
violent
and insecure person,and today any analyst would have told you that he
was a
psycopath,and a mad fellow.
Thank you for proving your insanity again...
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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22 Jul 2006 09:24:12 AM |
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TRUECRISTIAN wrote:
< Nothing of Value >
Common sense dictates that you shut the ***** up, you bipolar twat.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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